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blakes7-d Digest				Volume 00 : Issue 152

Today's Topics:
	 Re: [B7L] Orbit
	 Re: [B7L] Orbit
	 Re: [B7L] Re: reviews/ages/SCHOOL & stuff
	 [B7L] Re: Blake's Back
	 [B7L] War Wounds
	 Re: [B7L] War Wounds
	 Re: [B7L] War Wounds
	 Re: [B7L] Terminal (was Sarcophagus)
	 Re:  [B7L] Orbit
	 [B7L] Soldiers of Love + Fearmonger
	 [B7L] Jackie Pearce signing
	 [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
	 Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos

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Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:29:20 -0400
From: "Christine+Steve" <cgorman@idirect.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Ellynne G wrote


>  All we know for certain is the tachyon funnel (which didn't have a
> seat belt) was expected to survive with only minor damage (although the
> less than brilliant soul who came up with this trap said he'd anticipated
> Avon and Vila realizing it was a trap, having the funnel tossed out the
> rear door wasn't considered [hard to say if he was lying or not, since
> the shuttle was still in trouble]).  Since the funnel didn't look that
> tough, I have to assume some sort of safety features.


Servalan's main concern was Orac, but in the episode Egrorian reveals that
Orac was virtually indestructable.   He'd thought about fire at impact, but
had worked out the shuttle would hit at a speed of 390 knots, break up and
would bury itself deep in a marshy area, so fire shouldn't have been an
option.  I don't think Egrorian was worried about the funnel at all and with
Orac's and Pinder's help, building another weapon wouldn't have been too
hard. But he did say the funnel would survive such a big impact - it was
tougher that it looked!  The whole ruse was to get their hands on Orac, and
he would have survived a big crash down.

Steve Dobson.

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Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 06:02:15 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Too bad Orac can't send my e-mail, perhaps he'd send it the right 
place. Sorry, Steve. 

Steve Dobson wrote:

> Servalan's main concern was Orac, but in the episode Egrorian reveals that
> Orac was virtually indestructable.

<sigh> Not only is Orac too useful to destroy, he's too difficult to
destroy. Pity they never learned to use him properly.

Mistral
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Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 04:39:55 +0100
From: "Julie Horner" <jihorner@dial.pipex.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: reviews/ages/SCHOOL & stuff
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nick Moffitt" <nick@zork.net>

>> Finally I can read the messages sent by Nick Moffit.

> "Moffitt"

My apologies.

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Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:51:15 EDT
From: JEB31538@cs.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Judith Proctor:                     (This is condensed.)
>  Sheelagh Wells   ...  has had several enquiries   recently for Blake's 
Back. 
>  
>  If you would want a copy,  write to Sheelagh Wells, 20a New Rd, Brentford, 
 >   Middlesex,   TW8   ONX,  [ England ] 
>  
>  Or you can e-mail me (as long as you include name and address) and I'll 
> print  them out and pass them along to Sheelagh.  
>  
>  If you want to know more about the tape, there's a review on
>  http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7  Look in the merchandise section.
>  
>  .... If a second run of Blake's Back works  out, then Sheelagh might look
>        into   Liberatored again.   [which is, also, OOP]

BOTH  Blake's Back and Liberated are wonderful tapes.  I think every B7 fan 
should own the TOGETHER AGAIN tapes and these are two of the best tapes.  I 
hope that if  YOU  do not have either tape that you will as soon as possible 
Email  Judith  or  write Sheelagh  about one or both tapes.  Both come with 
excellent photographs that are collector's items in addition to the tape.  
You will not go wrong in buying these.

Joyce Bowen 

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Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 21:54:19 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] War Wounds
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From: Dana Shilling <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
> For the various weapons shown in the series,
>what exactly happens when someone gets shot by one of them? (Well, I can
>figure out "stun.")

It's not so much weopon dependant, as target dependant !

Federation troopers always just die instantaneously, with all limbs intact
and no blood.
The local rebel joining the crew for one mission bleeds obviously and
copuously, for.... just as long as it takes to enable him/her to save the
regular crew, and then die.
Travis is always hit in the fake arm.
Wounds to crew members are always small enough for Gan / Cally to fix with
the little medi-kit.

But seriously, if there is no cannon, you could work it out, taking into
account conservation of energy and momentum, interaction of projectile with
target etc etc. There was some of this stuff on the list recently about
recoil in handguns.

Gnog

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Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 08:52:51 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] War Wounds
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Ellynne wrote, re injuries
> With one minor exception (my pet peeve).  If you chop off a major limb or
> have the character do some major bleeding, please, try to remember the
> need for major arteries being properly pinched closed through the injury
> or through the quick thinking of one of the characters and their
> tourniquet.

Quite true.  The canny writer will minimise details unless s/he feels sure
of what s/he is writing about.

Coincidentally, between my post yesterday on weapon injuries and my writing
this the following morning, a siege in Luxembourg has ended with a man being
shot twice in the head.  Last I heard he was still alive.

Though the most remarkable shot-in-the-head story I ever heard was that of
an air stewardess on a hijacked airliner.  She was shot at point-blank range
and thrown out onto the runway, where she landed fully conscious.  Knowing
that if she moved she would be instantly marked as a target, she lay there,
motionless, aware of the fact that she had a bullet lodged in her brain, for
hours (I think something like 18 in all) until the siege was lifted.

Maybe Dana could tell us exactly what kind of injury she has in mind
(without spilling too many beans, of course).

>If you go with
> lasers, bleeding should be limited and most wounds would be automatically
> cauterized (which has made me wonder about how useful they are as weapons
> compared to bullets, but no doubt the armor stormtroopers and even
> Federation guards wear must be good for something since percussion
> weapons are so rarely seen).

The supposed advantages of lasers, as far as I can figure out, are:
- no recoil
- no sound signature to give your position away (though Federation handguns
are a bit noisy)
- greater accuracy.  Several people have suggested to me that this is
because a laser beam is so fast, you can't dodge it, presumably implying
that you can dodge a bullet coming your way.  I don't really buy that - you
can only make yourself harder to hit, by upping the chances of not being in
the bullet's flight path.  But at longer ranges a laser beam would be more
accurate because of the shorter time period between firing and reaching the
target.
    A modern assault rifle, for example, has a muzzle velocity of about 1000
metres per second, so at a range of 100m it takes a bullet 0.1 seconds to
reach the target.  An athlete can run 100m in 10 seconds, or 1m in 0.1
seconds, so bearing in mind that not everyone is Olympic calibre, an evading
target might move perhaps half a metre during the bullet's flight time.  But
a laser beam can cover the distance in effectively no time at all (three
millionths of a second), in which time our poor athlete moves about 0.03
millimetres.  With marksmanship being equal, the beam will be more accurate.
    As range closes, though, this benefit will diminish, and in close range
skirmish conditions might be next to meaningless.

Neil

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Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 16:40:51 -0700
From: Nick Moffitt <nick@zork.net>
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begin  Neil Faulkner quotation:
> The supposed advantages of lasers, as far as I can figure out, are:
[...]
> - greater accuracy.  Several people have suggested to me that this
> is because a laser beam is so fast, you can't dodge it, presumably
> implying that you can dodge a bullet coming your way.  I don't
> really buy that - you can only make yourself harder to hit, by
> upping the chances of not being in the bullet's flight path.  But at
> longer ranges a laser beam would be more accurate because of the
> shorter time period between firing and reaching the target.

	Laser beams travel in reasonably straight lines, and have no
recoil.  You can use a low-powered laser to target and then just up
the power for your shot.  Blammo, the red dot becomes a red hole.

	The accuracy comes from the fact that it actually is more
accurate!  No dodging hocus-pocus involved!

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Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 17:12:57 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Terminal (was Sarcophagus)
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Alison wrote:
<Just throwing one more idea in. Avon is *changed* more - and more for the 
worse - by Cally's death than by Anna's. <snip> Let me rephrase that. Avon 
is probably changed hugely and dramatically by Anna's first 'death' - when 
he thinks she dies during their escape. The whole Avon personality of 
seasons 1-3 is influenced by that trauma I suppose. But of the two deaths in 
season 3, Cally's is associated with a bigger change in personality.>

Avon definitely changes more at the start of 4th series, yes, but we have to 
take into account more than just Cally there - her death is just part of the 
whole Terminal/Rescue catastophe, where he loses Cally *and* the Liberator 
and believes he's finally lost Blake, and is left literally desitute on a 
hold in the galaxy. Pile that *on top* of the lingering Rumours shock, and 
you really have a lot of trauma to deal with (not that we like to pile it on 
him, oh no).


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Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 18:32:25 PDT
From: "Jason de Rooy" <jjderooy@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re:  [B7L] Orbit
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Mistral wrote:

><sigh> Not only is Orac too useful to destroy, he's too difficult to
>destroy. Pity they never learned to use him properly.

I'd always assumed that most of the time Orac was generally uninterested or 
downright refused to help - the only times he was ever helpful was when he 
was on screen.  The rest of the time (like the other characters, but much 
more so) he did his own thing - ie:

Blake:  Orac, I want you to overthrow the Federation for me.
Orac:   No, too busy.  Do it yourself.
Blake:  Damn.

Or alternatively, Orac recognised that a revolution that came too easily (ie 
with him doing all he could) was worthless - ie:

Blake:  Orac, I want you to overthrow the Federation for me.
Orac:   No, to use your own beliefs, the Revolution is only worth it if the 
people take control of their lives again, not have a fabulous device like me 
do it for them.
Blake:  Damn.

jason



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Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 21:19:00 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] Soldiers of Love + Fearmonger
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Soldiers of Love #6 is now available (slightly earlier than expected).

It costs 10 pounds inc UK postage.

It can be ordered via my website and I can take credit card orders to all parts
of the world.

MJTV are also producing a CD with interviews and other material from Gareth
Thomas.  That will be released 1st July and Gareth will be signing copies at
10th planet in Barking.

JUdith

PS.  I also have copies of The Fearmonger, a Dr Who audio adventure with Jackie
Pearce.  Just as an experiment, I'm selling that postage free to all countries
including Australia (basically, it's a commercial CD rather than a fan
production and hence the normal retail price is such that I can afford to absorb
the postage costs and I wanted to give the Australians - who are getting
wallopped by the exchange rate already - an even chance)
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Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 08:42:54 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] Jackie Pearce signing
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This came in from Horizon last night.

Jacqueline is signing copies of her newly released MythMakers video interview 
at The Who Shop's stand, Princes Mead Shopping Centre, Farnborough, Hampshire 
from 1/3pm this Saturday, 3rd June.

JUdith
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Thomas, etc.  (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org )
Redemption '01  23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 23:18:37 EST
From: "Jessica Taylor" <morgaine54@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
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Hi
Does anyone agree with me that there was something very odd about the 
episode, the harvest of kairos. A few days ago I vaguely remember someone 
(sorry, I don't remember who it was) saying that the episode didn't feel 
right and I'd have to agree perhapes in part owing to the characters acting 
strangely ie Avon and his pet rock, Cally standing by and watching Dayna 
fight without any suggestion of helping etc.
I'm not sure, it just seemed odd.

Jessica

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Date:   Sat, 3 Jun 2000 17:03:26 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
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Jessica asked:
>Does anyone agree with me that there was something very odd about the
episode, the harvest of kairos. A few days ago I vaguely remember someone
(sorry, I don't remember who it was) saying that the episode didn't feel
right and I'd have to agree perhapes in part owing to the characters acting
strangely ie Avon and his pet rock, Cally standing by and watching Dayna
fight without any suggestion of helping etc.  I'm not sure, it just seemed
odd.<

Absolutely.  They're all out of character (something that irritates me much
more than all that macho nonsense).  I can imagine Avon being intrigued by
that Sopron, but not to the point of disregarding his own safety and that of
Liberator.  At that time Tarrant hasn't yet had any chance to demonstrate
his worth as a pilot, therefore at the first hint of trouble you'd expect
Avon to come rushing to the flight deck to see how he's going to handle
things.

And why do Servalan and Jarvik assume that *Tarrant* is in charge of the
Liberator?  They can't know that Avon's got obsessed by a lump of rock to
the point of becoming suicidal. :-)  That's the biggest plot hole IMO, pure
bad writing.  (But I love that cute big spider. ;-) )

Marian

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