From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #239 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/239 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 239 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? [ "Sally Manton" ] [B7L] Character chemistry [ Helen Krummenacker ] [B7L] Re: chemistry, Avon-Servalan [ Helen Krummenacker ] [B7L] Re:ORAC? [ Helen Krummenacker ] Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? [ "Dana Shilling" ] Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? [ mistral@ptinet.net ] Re: [B7L] Liberator space travel [ "Neil Faulkner" ] Re: [B7L] Liberator space travel [ Betty Ragan ] Re: [B7L] Liberator space travel [ Betty Ragan ] Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7 II? [ B7Morrigan@aol.com ] Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7 II? [ mistral@ptinet.net ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:39:17 GMT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Mistral wrote: So why *do* you think Blake (and Vila - Anna we can leave out of thee question, since we know almost *nothing* of Anna) gets the nod for that veeerrry selective brand of loyalty? Or to put it another way, what does Avon find actually attractive in other people (as apart from pragmatically useful or tolerable-if-one-has-to) that they interest him to the point of *thinking* about them, let alone making a commitment of this nature (something he *knows* is a mistake with Blake, at the very least)? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:18:54 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7 II? Message-ID: <39A5C97F.1DD3@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In light of the Snape=Avon discussion, and the casting for the Harry Potter movie... I must say I can see Alan Rickman playing Avon OR Blake, which I never thought I could picture anyone who could fit equally well in either part. As far as the chemistry angle goes, I agree that it is ALL-IMPORTNAT in casting the roles. But my suggestion would be, take a long time casting, a year if need be, until you get the group that works together. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:24:08 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Character chemistry Message-ID: <39A5CAB9.7B4E@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > This is our slightly (yes, slightly) differing versions of Avon > again. It makes perfect sense to me - no, more than that, it's > inevitable - for Avon to choose a very few people (max 3) to be > loyal to, and then do *anything* for the sake of that loyalty. That's > why nothing he does for Anna or Blake is too extreme; and IMHO > why Orbit is so affecting, because Vila's right on the edge of that. Mistral, that was beautifully put. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:35:50 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: chemistry, Avon-Servalan Message-ID: <39A5CD77.27A2@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My own take on Servalan and Avon. She likes to have emotional power over people. To press buttons and get fear, lust, or anger. Avon doesn't play the game by her rules. He will show no emotion-- then suddenly, a brutish shove, or a wild kiss... then, turn around and be ice calm once more. She can't resist trying to get him to play her game. He, I think, is amused that she is trying it on him... she is so blantantly manipulative she can't win that kind of power over him, no matter how much power she may win in other aspects, such as money and armies. They have the cold chemistry of ruthless competitors. It is not each other that draws them, but the competition. He is drawn to it because he knows he wins against her in this single arena. She cannot accept that her power does not extend into him and therefore is drawn to keep playing her game. I suppose this is in a sense chemistry based on a lack of chemistry-- her need to get emotional responses he isn't giving? In light of that, I can picture a PGP where he has been throughoughly brainwashed into working for the Federation but nonetheless has nothing but professional calm in dealing with her-- until she decides to let him be rescued or escape and recover his full mind. She might feel the clean antagonism would fuel a better emotional spark. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:39:13 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re:ORAC? Message-ID: <39A5CE42.2DEB@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Orac, of course, was really Wesley Crusher trapped in a box until such > time as Q thought he deserved to be let out again. > > Ellynne No, couldn't be. Wesley was never as cool as ORAC. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:50:30 -0400 From: "Dana Shilling" To: "B7 List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? Message-ID: <009801c00e51$a6412180$da684e0c@dshilling> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Penny's reply to Mistral: > > >(they are so different! how can you say one is better?) > > It all comes down to the Swimsuit Competition. Bearing in mind which List this is, I have to vote II based on the amount of the wrong kind of enjoyment I get watching Brian Croucher writhing around trying to get un-fettered. -(Y) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:58:44 -0400 From: "Dana Shilling" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? Message-ID: <009901c00e51$a7c32da0$da684e0c@dshilling> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil (as either originator of quote or imperative): > > But not many Popes have played Avon, though. That's what YOU think. Just wait until I put the snaps from the Vatican Christmas party on my Web site. His Holiness looks divine in black leather... And the entire Osservatore Romano staff is angling to cover Redemption.... -(Y) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:01:47 -0400 From: "Dana Shilling" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? Message-ID: <009a01c00e51$a9115880$da684e0c@dshilling> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Call and raise, Mistral: >Uh-oh. I'm getting this terrible urge to > filk 'Lola': O-rac, Oh-oh-oh-oh-o-rac, Oh-oh-oh-oh-o-rac... I walked to the door... I fell to the floor... I got down on my knees... Ripped out, threw the key.... And I looked at It and It at me... Well, now, I'm not the world's least alien man, But I know what I am and I'm glad I'm a man And that THING is a machine.... -(Y) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:06:17 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? Message-ID: <39A5FEC7.A9B6DAE4@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dana Shilling wrote: > Call and raise, Mistral: > Well, now, I'm not the world's least alien man, > But I know what I am and I'm glad I'm a man > And that THING is a machine.... Hee. Too rich for my blood; I fold. Mind you, cutting straight to the bridge is a bit like dealing from the bottom of the deck, isn't it? I only got as far as: We found it in a bunker on Aristo... before getting hung up on a four-letter rhyme for Orac. Or any rhyme for Orac, come to think of it. Borax? Lorax? Anorak? I wanted to use anorak, but it doesn't quite work. Oh, well. Cheers. Now, to continue the Star Wars/Weird Al motif, your next assignment is... American Pie! (That should take you a while ;-) Mistral -- "Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!" --Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:22:29 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7 II? Message-ID: <39A60294.3D94216@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Helen wrote: > In light of the Snape=Avon discussion, and the casting for the Harry > Potter movie... > > I must say I can see Alan Rickman playing Avon OR Blake, which I never > thought I could picture anyone who could fit equally well in either > part. Ooh, are you saying they've cast Rickman in the Harry Potter movie? As who, Snape? Ooh. Ooh. Alan Rickman can do *anything*. It would be very interesting to see him try Blake. I'd have thought you'd have to have someone physically more imposing but, wow. Alan Rickman can do *anything*. Not that I'm biased, no. Neat idea, Helen. Mistral -- "Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!" --Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:29:41 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7 II? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: mistral@ptinet.net >Ooh, are you saying they've cast Rickman in the Harry Potter >movie? As who, Snape? Ooh. Ooh. Er, he's in "talks", apparently. One of the HP sites around the 'net thoughtfully gives a picture of him as the Sherrif of Nottingham so you can compare him with your mental image of the character. >Alan Rickman can do *anything*. > >It would be very interesting to see him try Blake. Well, he's got a fabulous voice, and he's at least part Welsh... >Alan Rickman can do *anything*. So you said >Not that I'm biased, no. Oh, I wouldn't say that... I sense another drool tsunami coming on, but I'm quite happy to be swept away by this one! Regards Joanne (who should go - I've made two mistakes today: attempting to join the sections of the joint Mistral/Dana filk, and then accidentally sending it to Dana before it was finished. It's stress, I tell you! ) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 23:01:04 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7 II? Message-ID: <39A60B9F.C6D31E36@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joanne MacQueen wrote: > >From: mistral@ptinet.net > >Ooh, are you saying they've cast Rickman in the Harry Potter > >movie? As who, Snape? Ooh. Ooh. > > Er, he's in "talks", apparently. One of the HP sites around the 'net > thoughtfully gives a picture of him as the Sherrif of Nottingham so you can > compare him with your mental image of the character. LOL. My least favourite Rickman role, actually. > Well, he's got a fabulous voice, and he's at least part Welsh... Ooh! I'm part Welsh! > >Not that I'm biased, no. > > Oh, I wouldn't say that... I sense another drool tsunami coming on, but I'm > quite happy to be swept away by this one! I can be every bit as restrained about Alan Rickman as Una is about John Cusack. (And with more to be restrained about ;-) > (who should go - I've made two mistakes today: attempting to join the > sections of the joint Mistral/Dana filk, and then accidentally sending it to > Dana before it was finished. I was hoping you'd help out. When do I get to see it? > It's stress, I tell you! about how she's not well equipped for interviewing potential flatmates this > weekend...>) Much success to you. Mistral (Thinking about Avon interviewing potential flatmates. Ouch.) -- "Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!" --Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Aug 2000 08:55:08 +0200 From: Calle Dybedahl To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7 II? Message-ID: <86vgwpzv77.fsf@tezcatlipoca.algonet.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>>> "Helen" == Helen Krummenacker writes: > I must say I can see Alan Rickman playing Avon OR Blake, which I > never thought I could picture anyone who could fit equally well in > either part. After seeing him in "Dogma" and "Galaxy Quest" (both highly entertaining movies), I and my SO decided that he should do the voice of Orac. -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se "No one expects the waterbuffalos of packet loss!" -- simes ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 07:03:21 EDT From: Mac4781@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Penny wrote: > It all comes down to the Swimsuit Competition. ROFL Carol Mc (who is much relieved that she was not drinking coffee when she read this) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:10:13 EST From: "Jessica Taylor" To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Coltrane for Avon Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Iain wrote: > >Ah, but in my ongoing one-man Robbie Coltrane For Avon campaign, I must > >note that Coltrane has played the Pope, and is thus ideal casting for > >Avon. Penny added: >I thought Harriet was also in favour of said bold casting choice. And I'll >join you as well if you'll agree to let Ralph Fiennes at least be Vila. Robby Coltrane for Avon. Hey that would actually work wouldn't it, he's perfect, with just the right level of coldness and intimating-ness. Pity Coltrane hasn't Darrows eyes, still Iain, you're a genius. Jessica ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:43:06 +0100 (BST) From: Iain Coleman To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Coltrane for Avon Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, Jessica Taylor wrote: > Iain, you're a genius. I hear these words surprisingly rarely. Iain ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 08:52:47 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? Message-ID: <39A6964D.5967C16@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally Manton wrote: > Mistral wrote: > to, and then do *anything* for the sake of that loyalty. That's why nothing > he does for Anna or Blake is too extreme; and IMHO why Orbit is so > affecting, because Vila's right on the edge of that. The thing that makes me > scratch my head is why *Blake*? (No, I'm just kidding, I understand why > Blake.)> > > So why *do* you think Blake (and Vila - Anna we can leave out of thee > question, since we know almost *nothing* of Anna) gets the nod for that > veeerrry selective brand of loyalty? Or to put it another way, what does > Avon find actually attractive in other people (as apart from pragmatically > useful or tolerable-if-one-has-to) that they interest him to the point of > *thinking* about them, let alone making a commitment of this nature > (something he *knows* is a mistake with Blake, at the very least)? Wow. I said I understand it (for my version of Avon, anyway), not that I can articulate it; at least not without six months lead time and 20,000 words. But... I'll try. Starting with the second question, what does Avon find attractive in people? Intelligence, mental flexibility (actually the more important of the two, IMO), loyalty, competence, wit, discretion, honesty (by Avon's definition, not necessarily everyone else's), tenacity or commitment, curiosity, passion, common sense; and of course, a genuine respect for and appreciation of *him* is mandatory. Actually, you can boil that down to three things: (1) intelligent and/or mentally stimulating; (2) trustworthy; (3) likes Avon just the way he is. Blake has pretty much everything enumerated in the previous paragraph, and Vila has enough of them to qualify in all three broad categories (the mental flexibility and the complete acceptance of Avon that Vila displays making up for those things that are lacking). I do think it works the other way around, though; instead of looking for those qualities in people, Avon expects people to fall down on them; he (IMHO) rather subconsciouly looks for reasons to 'cross people off the list' of potential friends. I think this is where you would say that he's just not interested in most people; and I agree, but I think it's because he's an introvert, and isn't going to waste any effort on people who don't measure up to his ideals. It's 'that one's stupid, that one can't be trusted, that one is just plain boring, that one can't keep his mouth shut'. I also think that Vila got pretty much crossed off the list early on the London, but somewhere between the beginning of Time Squad and the end of Bounty got pencilled back in for re-evaluation. Probably due to Avon's discovery of Vila's competence, and the realization that Vila was actually the least annoying of his crewmates. If you were stuck on that ship, which one would you pick to hang out with? A-V is, for the most part, a comfy, low-maintenance relationship. As for why Blake assumes the importance he does; I think my answer is a little similar to Judith P's, when one time she compared it to (and I'm paraphrasing, sorry) an atheist being fascinated with a sincere, intelligent believer. As I see it, Avon is an intelligent, passionate, practical fellow who's been knocked around a bit by life and his society, and his natural sense of irony has turned into a mile-wide cynical streak. He's decided that the only way to survive is to protect yourself and those you love, *period*. The only people who watch out for others are fools, and the charlatans that fleece them. He's still got a very rigid set of standards that he measures himself and others by, but most people don't see it, because they're *very* different from the norm, and he keeps them largely internalized. Then he runs into Blake, an intelligent, passionate, charismatic fellow who's been knocked around even more by his society, but instead of turning inward, Blake has decided to reach outward and try to help bring freedom to everyone. Avon believes that Blake must be a fool or a charlatan, and keeps looking for a reason to cross Blake off his list - but he can't find one; Blake lives up to all of Avon's most rigid standards. It's a puzzle, a paradox; experience has told Avon that Blake can't exist, and yet he does, and Avon is becoming ever more fascinated with him. (I think this explains Avon's protectiveness of Blake that you've mentioned - though Avon consciously knows that Blake can look out for himself, subconsciously he'd consider Blake rare and fragile - and I consider that last a projection; Avon's spirit is IMO the more fragile of the two.) All this while Blake keeps prodding Avon, trying to bring Avon around to the cause, to be his 'best' self (as Blake sees it); and this prodding is good for Avon, the mental stimulation feeds his attachment to Blake, since it's one of the things Avon needs in a friendship, and it doesn't drive him away because it's always underlaid by Blake's respect and acceptance - Blake tries to change Avon's opinion, not his nature. Avon, though, being (as I see it) hard-wired to care very deeply for very few people, but not a cause, or as nebulous an idea as 'humanity', gives Blake what he can - an intense personal loyalty. (After Blake is gone, of course, it shifts gradually to fighting the war in Blake's absence, because it's really the only choice Avon has left.) At least, that's my opinion on the subject today - things being what they are, I'll probably think something else tomorrow. Grins, Mistral -- "Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!" --Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:51:56 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Liberator space travel Message-ID: <006d01c00ebd$4af127a0$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Betty Ragan > There's an awful lot of nothing between here and the > next galaxy: no planets to explore and conquer, no place to stop and > refeul or resupply. It'd be an awfully long, boring, unprofitable trip, > just to be able to say that you'd made it to the Lesser Magellenic > Cloud. It can be an awfully long and unprofitable, though not perhaps boring, trip just to say you'd made it to the South Pole, but that never stopped some idiot or other trying to get there. If the Magellanic Clouds are in reach, someone will go there, simply because they are there. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:06:07 -0600 From: Betty Ragan To: Neil Faulkner Cc: b7 Subject: Re: [B7L] Liberator space travel Message-ID: <39A6C39F.30C5D984@sdc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil Faulkner wrote: > If the Magellanic Clouds are in reach, someone will go there, simply because > they are there. True enough, but somehow I can't see the Federation bothering... -- Betty Ragan ** ragan@sdc.org ** http://www.sdc.org/~ragan/ "Imposing Latin rules on English structure is a little like trying to play baseball in ice skates." -- Bill Bryson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:07:26 -0600 From: Betty Ragan To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Liberator space travel Message-ID: <39A6C3EE.495CA299@sdc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aargh. Originally sent this to Neil instead of to the Lyst. Apologies. > If the Magellanic Clouds are in reach, someone will go there, simply because > they are there. True enough, but I somehow can't see the Federation bothering... -- Betty Ragan ** ragan@sdc.org ** http://www.sdc.org/~ragan/ "Imposing Latin rules on English structure is a little like trying to play baseball in ice skates." -- Bill Bryson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:11:22 -0600 From: Betty Ragan To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Liberator space travel Message-ID: <39A6C4DA.DAD811FE@sdc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Betty Ragan wrote: > Aargh. Originally sent this to Neil instead of to the Lyst. Apologies. Except it seems I sent it to both. I shall go and beat my head against a wall now. OK, so, except for the Star One glitches (which we know were due to the Andromedans, right?), how come nobody on B7 ever seems to make stupid computer mistakes? Can you imagine Blake accidentally e-mailing Servalan with the plans for his next raid? Well, maybe not, but it's easy to imagine Vila hitting the wrong button and doing something like that. And the look on Avon's face would be priceless... -- Betty Ragan ** ragan@sdc.org ** http://www.sdc.org/~ragan/ "Imposing Latin rules on English structure is a little like trying to play baseball in ice skates." -- Bill Bryson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:50:50 EDT From: B7Morrigan@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7 II? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >From: mistral@ptinet.net > >Ooh, are you saying they've cast Rickman in the Harry Potter > >movie? As who, Snape? Ooh. Ooh. > and Joanne > Er, he's in "talks", apparently. One of the HP sites around the 'net > thoughtfully gives a picture of him as the Sherrif of Nottingham so you can > compare him with your mental image of the character. > > >Alan Rickman can do *anything*. > > > >It would be very interesting to see him try Blake. > > Well, he's got a fabulous voice, and he's at least part Welsh... > > >Alan Rickman can do *anything*. I'd just about made up my mind that no one, absolutely no one, could play either Blake or Avon if they did a movie using the original characters. I was wrong. Alan Rickman CAN do anything. IMHO, he's the only one who could play Avon well. Morrigan "When I get a little money I buy zines; and if any is left I buy food and clothes." (apologies to Erasmus) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:31:17 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7 II? Message-ID: <39A70FD4.FA1AA167@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Morrigan wrote: > I'd just about made up my mind that no one, absolutely no one, could play > either Blake or Avon if they did a movie using the original characters. I > was wrong. Alan Rickman CAN do anything. IMHO, he's the only one who could > play Avon well. Oh, yeah, I agree he could absolutely do Avon, though I think there are one or two others as well. The reason I'd like to see him try Blake is that I can't quite get my head around it, and yet I've no doubt that he'd somehow carry it off. (Mind you, if Avon is as actor-proof as Iain says then I want Keanu.) Mistral -- "Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!" --Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D. -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #239 **************************************