From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #245 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/245 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 245 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? [ Iain Coleman ] Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? (playing [ "Pat Sumner" ] [B7L] Re:intuition [ Helen Krummenacker ] Re: [B7L] Re:casting with birds. [ "J MacQueen" ] Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? [ "Ellynne G." ] Re: [B7L] casting, recasting etc. [ "Ellynne G." ] Re: [B7L] casting, recasting etc. [ Steve Kilbane ] Re: [B7L] casting, recasting etc. [ "Neil Faulkner" ] [B7L] Recasting [ "Dana Shilling" To: b7 Subject: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, Neil Faulkner wrote: > > From: Iain Coleman > > I think Blake was very good at caring about big, abstract things and not > > very good at caring about individual people. > > Isn't that pretty much what I said? My secret is discovered. Damn. > > Admittedly less concisely. Concision is my one talent. Iain ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:23:49 +0100 From: "Pat Sumner" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? (playing cards)1 Message-ID: <000201c01213$3d390700$793e883e@s5e8f3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ika and Calle (combined to save time) Ika: > I've been half-heartedly trying to design (in my head, I can't > design for shit) a B7 Tarot deck for ages > but can never decide who would be who - I'm kind of drawn to King of > Wands for Blake, but then maybe I should save him for one of the > Major Arcana; Why not have Blake as a Major Arcanum, and have Clone Blake as KofW Calle: > Avon is The Hermit. "Warnings and advice, need for caution, withdrawal, isolation, foresight, guidance, wisdom" Seems good to me Ika: > Gan could be Strength, maybe? Gan is definitely Strength "Control of passions and emotions, suppression of undesirable thoughts and actions..." The reversed meaning of Strength displays how Gan acted when his Limiter malfunctioned. Ika: > Blake The Magician "Intelligence, planning, knowledge, communication, strength of will, organising force, originality." Sounds Blakelike to me. Even reversed, the interpretation could be Blake (in Voice from the Past) "Trickery and cunning, devious manipulation, untrustworthiness, mental confusion." Calle: > Dayna The Tower Ika: > That's an interesting one - do you mean because of the destruction of her life > on Sarran? I see the Tower as representing Blakes 7 itself, rather than anyone in the series. Calle: Tarrant Strength I'd choose the Hanged man for Tarrant. The High Priest card, in its reversed meaning is almost exactly a representation of the Federation. Unreversed, it could represent how the Federation could have been intended to operate: "Interpretation: spiritual advancement, teaching, good advice, conformity... "Reversed meaning: indoctrination, mental and spiritual oppression, fanatical obsession, distorting the truth, propaganda..." Travis could be the Emperor (reversed). "Tyrannical oppression, lack of independence, breaking rules, misuse of force" The quoted passages above are from the book (and Tarot deck) "The Norse Tarot" by Clive Barret, ISBN 0-85030-726-0 (book only) or 0-85030-792-9 (book and cards). Pat ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:18:43 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7 II? Message-ID: <200008292118_MC2-B182-2ADD@compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Iain wrote: >Christopher Ecclestone for Blake, anybody? > >I have a notion that simply transposing the entire > cast of Cracker would work disturbingly well. And if you sit on Lysator long enough, all the ideas you've ever had will= come past again eventually. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:46:47 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re:casting with birds. Message-ID: <39AC5978.6A4B@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > GAN : Greylag Goose (Anser anser) - large, dull, ponderous and generally > unmemorable. And I know people who will swear that geese have homicidal tendancies. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:58:03 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re:intuition Message-ID: <39AC5C1C.67ED@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I found it a *lot* more enlightening when I read a book which linked > the N (iNtuition) part to *imagination*. That made a lot more sense > to me. Exactly what I meant. I would never classify 'intuition' as a synonym for imagination, and I am imaginative. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:01:36 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:casting with birds. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Helen Krummenacker > > GAN : Greylag Goose (Anser anser) - large, dull, ponderous and generally > > unmemorable. >And I know people who will swear that geese have homicidal tendancies. Add me to the list. Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:09:12 -0400 From: "Dana Shilling" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] recasting (was Coltrane) Message-ID: <00d601c01241$9c7d3780$6d694e0c@dshilling> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harriet said: >This may have had something to do with a >throwaway remark at Who's 7 in October 1996, when Paul Darrow mentioned >that they'd once discussed what nationalities the various characters were, >and decided Avon was South African. (No, I've forgotten the others.) If >the actors had discussed it, they presumably did so in the time of the >apartheid regime, so I thought a black Blake and a white South African Avon >would throw up some interesting tensions. I'm sorry not to have the URL at hand, but there's an online transcript of an interview with PD (I think it was in 1981) when he offhandedly said that Avon was "quite right-wing--I don't think he'd let the black girl on the ship" which could certainly create some interesting resonances. Like my fellow fanfic writers from the United States, I'm usually at some pains to conform to British usage. I thought it would be fun to have them end up at a U.S.-type planet in S4--I'm thinking of having Soolin join the Ku Klux Klan, which will certainly enliven things aboard Scorpio. -(Y) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:16:03 -0400 From: "Dana Shilling" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] casting, recasting etc. Message-ID: <00d701c01241$9e965380$6d694e0c@dshilling> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alison said: > I wonder if we could persuade Una to do a Q-study grouping fans in terms of > what other TV shows they like? Or what films and books they like? I think it's also significant whether the fans primarily identify in terms of viewing/reading texts, writing fanfic, going to cons, talking to other fen in person or online--I bet that responses are different for each. -(Y) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:25:17 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? Message-ID: <20000829.231026.-89679.0.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:08:12 -0400 Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> writes: > Oh, all right, I'll tackle one: > > Carol objected to Mistral: > >At one point you said Blake accepted > >Avon for what he was, then below that > > you said he was trying to persuade Avon > >to be his best. > > Don't see the problem. Blake sees through Avon's carefully > concealed > disguises, spots his potential to be "his best", and tries to focus > him on > that. > What's the saying? 'Always be yourself - but be your best self.' Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:51:30 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? Message-ID: <20000829.231026.-89679.1.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, Dana Shilling wrote: > > > I'm not quite sure how to interpret his reaction to Gan's death, > which is so > > disproportionate to his reaction to the deaths on the London and > Cygnus > > Alpha--it could be argued that he is indifferent to the latter > because he > > didn't know them very well personally, or OTOH that he went postal > > in the wake of Gan's death because of the cumulative effect. > Factors on the London 1) Limited choices - the prisoners were facing a few more months of the usual nastiness on the ship followed by up to a lifetime on CA (how much they knew about CA being open to question, but prison colonies are rarely featured on lifestyles of the absurdly pampered) vs taking significant risks for freedom, etc (since all Blake could have really done with the London is fly somewhere neutral or possibly to a rebel group and then let the prisoners disperse, this also meant prisoners would have had the chance to rejoin family and friends they might otherwise never see again and things like that). 2) They knew the risks - Granted, POV's on the odds may have varied, but they knew the details. Also, it should be noted the revolt failed at least in part because Vila handed over his gun. 3) The risks were also fairly reasonable - see above. On Earth 1) Lots of choices - starting with "Let's go to a nice, neutral planet and enjoy the beach." 2) They know nothing - Blake holds back lots of information and never admits the obvious ("So what if a snowflake in Death Valley stands a better chance? I still want to do it.") 3) The risks were ridiculous - see above. 4) Also, while Blake probably did have to concede to popular will on the London, his democratic instincts seem on hold for this one (Blake has always been one of those great democrats who believe that free will is only being shown by those who agree with him. Anyone else needs to be liberated [OK, _some_ of the time]). That's why he feels guilty. He was incredibly stupid and did his best to force everyone to go along with his stupidity - he made the mistake of believing he was invulnerable. Gan not only died because of it, he died saving Blake when he might otherwise have saved himself. In short, Blake feels guilty because he is (not so guilty as to justify going off and brooding on a digestive planet, but that's a separate issue). Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 23:26:23 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] casting, recasting etc. Message-ID: <20000829.232624.-89679.3.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good Angel as Avon wouldn't work. Evil Angel would (almost). Add Spike as Vila, and they would definitly have some interesting conversations, not quite like Avon and Vila, but good (evil Angel kept trying to treat Spike like Avon treats Vila but with different results). Like Vila, Spike doesn't care for too much more than a good drink and a party (well, the chance to cause major mayhem would have to stand in for a need to pick locks). Giles as Blake I can't quite see. Giles as Melanby might work (but he has to survive). ACtually, he'd make a good Orac. Dru as Cally? Or Servalan? Never thought I'd get those parts confused. Faith acually reminded me more of Jenna than Buffy did. Buffy can be Soolin. Cordelia actually seems closest to what you'd want in Gan. Although, come to think of it, Spike is the one with the history of violence who got a chip in his head.... One things for sure, both Dorian and the Sarcophagus alien would fit in better. And neither of them would last half as long. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:59:55 +0200 From: Steve Kilbane To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" Subject: Re: [B7L] casting, recasting etc. Message-Id: <200008300659.HAA00550@whitecrow.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On the casting of Skinner and Giles to play Blake. They wouldn't be my > choice, but I think the comments reveal an interesting perspective. Would I > be wrong in saying that people who see an association of Blake with these > other characters see him as a predominantly calm and parental figure, > somewhat exasperated by the people he is responsible for? Possibly, but not directly. Pileggi came from the comment about Tim Robbins being a bigger bloke than he appears, and I've often thought that Pileggi's fairly solidly built, under that starched white shirt. I'm less convinced by his acting, because he doesn't get to stretch much as Skinner, and I haven't seen him in anything else. Head, on the other hand, was deliberate choice: - An actor who's about the right age to have lost the shiny idealism of youth, while still being vigorous enough to romp about the galaxy hitting people. - An actor who's managed to portray complex emotion without needing lines to explain it. - An actor who's able to deliver threats such as destroying someone's hands, and look ruthless enough to be convincing. - An actor who's able to do justice to some really great material. To be honest, I'd have preferred not to pick Head, because of BtVS's massive popularity, but he's now my personal favorate for Blake. steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 02:56:26 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon's type, etc Message-ID: <39ACDA49.E4DAC60E@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil Faulkner wrote: > From: > > Neil Faulkner wrote: > > > > > As for Meyers-Briggs, I classify people into just two types. Those who > are > > > into M-B pigeonholing, and those with something better to do:) > > > > Like classifying birds? > > All the taxonomic groundwork was done years ago. I just enjoy them for what > they are. Oh yes, please, let's quibble over definitions instead of acknowledging the validity of the parallel ;-) All the groundwork on type theory was done years ago; and you do _not_ just wander around saying 'pretty birdie, pretty song, hello birdie' (as your so amusing recasting post bears witness.) You've learned to identify them, their habits and habitats, etc. Presumably it enhances your understanding and enjoyment of them to have _studied_ these things. Type theory is essentially the same thing. I don't particularly enjoy interacting with real live people; but I do like to study them. Seems very similar to me. Ob B7: I would have liked to see you choose a bird for, say, Anna Grant, Zukan, Meegat, Jarierre? Just something to think about on your walks... Mistral -- "Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!" --Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 03:06:32 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] casting, recasting etc. Message-ID: <39ACDCA7.39EDD61E@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alison Page wrote: > I wonder if we could persuade Una to do a Q-study grouping fans in terms of > what other TV shows they like? Or what films and books they like? It seems > unlikely that likes and dislikes would be distributed completely at random, > but you'd need industrial strength statistics to get it all sorted out. Wouldn't that be fascinating? I wonder if a simpler way might be to ask fans if they've noticed a pattern or theme in the books and shows they like? For example, I've noticed that the things I connect with most strongly are themed around commitment issues: loyalty, trust, honor, devotion. (LOL. Could this be related to the 'intolerance to uncertainty' you mentioned in your J or P post?) Does anyone else notice similar patterns in their viewing habits? Mistral -- "Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!" --Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 04:43:30 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: recasting Message-ID: <39ACF362.164F2DB4@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve Rogerson wrote: > Someone to play Tarrant would be > difficult - I like all the Buffy actors too much. Alex Denisof is annoying enough, don't you think? Mistral -- "Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!" --Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:46:35 +0100 (BST) From: Iain Coleman To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7 II? Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, Harriet Monkhouse wrote: > Iain wrote: > >Christopher Ecclestone for Blake, anybody? > > > >I have a notion that simply transposing the entire > > cast of Cracker would work disturbingly well. > > And if you sit on Lysator long enough, all the ideas you've ever had will > come past again eventually. The chap who supervised my PhD once spent a good bit of time working on a rather obscure problem in general relativity. He solved it, and submitted it for publication, only to be told that the solution had been published in the 50s in some Russian journal that nobody ever reads. I know how he felt. Anyway, as long as you had Geraldine Sommerville for Cally I don't mind. Iain ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:34:03 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] casting, recasting etc. Message-ID: <000801c012b3$98b33060$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alison Page > I wonder if we could persuade Una to do a Q-study grouping fans in terms of > what other TV shows they like? Or what films and books they like? It seems > unlikely that likes and dislikes would be distributed completely at random, > but you'd need industrial strength statistics to get it all sorted out. Una's study involved the ranking of a closed set of elements (the episodes) which every participant was presumed to be familiar with, or at least seen, whereas a study of the sort you're suggesting would involve an effectively open set where every participant would be drawing on elements they've selected for themselves. Whether or not a Q-study could work in such a way, I don't know. But I suspect not. Not everyone reads books. Some don't go to the cinema too often. There are even those who don't watch television. Methodology could be a serious problem here. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:07:14 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Cc: Freedom City Subject: [B7L] Paul Darrow in SFX magazine Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I just got a note from the Avon Club to say that the October issue (No. 69) is now out. This contains a three page feature/interview with Paul. I understand that he's answered a lot of questions sent in by readers and that there's some good photos too. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:01:07 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Cc: Freedom City Subject: [B7L] Kaldor City photos Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Andy Hopkinson has kindly given me some photos from the Kaldor City recording session. They're up on the web site now - http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 I think my favourite one is of Paul Darrow and Patricia Merrick, but there's one of Scott Fredericks that runs it very close indeed. (If you've seen Andy's photos of Brian Croucher in Zenith, then you'll have an idea of what standard of photo to expect.) Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:33:49 +0100 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] recasting (was Coltrane) Message-ID: In message <200008291010_MC2-B166-FA00@compuserve.com>, Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> writes >This may have had something to do with a >throwaway remark at Who's 7 in October 1996, when Paul Darrow mentioned >that they'd once discussed what nationalities the various characters were, >and decided Avon was South African. I didn't hear that conversation, but I've still used Avon as white South African to build a background for him in a work-in-progress (because I needed a specific sort of class structure, and I understand the apartheid era class structure better than I do the English class structure). -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:02:31 +0100 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: b7 Subject: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? Message-ID: <7FlpYdAXhWr5EwCA@jajones.demon.co.uk> In message <021a01c0107c$e858d9a0$e535fea9@neilfaulkner>, Neil Faulkner writes >I don't see the theory standing up too well with the DW New >Adventures, but it might with commercial ST fiction. Given the number of fannish writers amongst the ranks of the pro Trek novel writers... (I just finished Dell van Hise's _Killing Time_, but that's probably a story for The Other List). -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:32:51 +0100 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: B7 Lyst Subject: Re: [B7L] In Praise of Dark and Dysfunctional ... Message-ID: In message <39AAF651.8852C08E@sdc.org>, Betty Ragan writes >Avon doesn't actually lie much directly, true. I don't see that as >having a great deal to do with him placing some innate value on honesty, >though, if only because he's quite excellent at lying by omission. I >see Avon's attitude towards lying as being very much like my own: Lying >to people who trust and depend on you in ways that will make them feel >betrayed if they ever found out (whether you think they will or not), is >*bad*. Otherwise, lying in general is morally acceptable, but can >create problems in practice. The best way to deceive and mislead is >tell the truth, carefully edited or carefully slanted with just the >right words. It's easier to do, you don't have to worry about being a >bad liar, and it's *much* easier to keep track of what you've told >people. And since we're having a Myers-Briggs discussion again - INTx types frequently don't define this behaviour as lying. Deception, yes - but lying is a particular sub-set of deception, being the deliberate telling of that which you believe to be an untrue statement. There is a reason the UK court oath, and those descended from it, has the phrase "the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth". It is quite possible to deceive without ever straying from the literal truth, as Avon demonstrates more than once. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:02:54 +0100 (BST) From: Iain Coleman To: b7 Subject: Re: [B7L] casting, recasting etc. Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Neil Faulkner wrote: > > Una's study involved the ranking of a closed set of elements (the episodes) > which every participant was presumed to be familiar with, or at least seen, > whereas a study of the sort you're suggesting would involve an effectively > open set where every participant would be drawing on elements they've > selected for themselves. Whether or not a Q-study could work in such a way, > I don't know. But I suspect not. Not everyone reads books. Some don't go > to the cinema too often. There are even those who don't watch television. > Methodology could be a serious problem here. > Una's not around at the moment (off doing productive research, I think), or I'd just wait for her to answer this one. My own understanding of Q methodology is deeply superficial, but from the chats I've had with Una I gather the issues you raise aren't hugely problematic. The advantage of the very strictly bounded B7 study was that people could self-report their conclusions in a well-defined way. In more open studies, the researcher typically has to conduct interviews. Thus, I believe Alison's proposal is doable, but more time-consuming. Perhaps we could arrange a grant. Iain ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:29:25 -0400 From: "Dana Shilling" To: "b7" Subject: [B7L] Recasting Message-ID: <005b01c012c9$6005e760$166b4e0c@dshilling> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If we can mobilize our time machines for the casting process, Blake could be early Arnold Schwarzenegger or few-years-back Mel Gibson: They slaughtered his family! They wiped his mind! They gave him tranquilized dreams! THIS TIME...IT'S PERSONAL!!!! -(Y) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:29:45 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Paul Darrow in SFX magazine Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Judith Proctor >I just got a note from the Avon Club to say that the October issue (No. 69) >is >now out. This contains a three page feature/interview with Paul. But, but, but, issue 68 (the more expensive, air-mail version), where they ask for people to send in their questions for Paul, only arrived in my local newsagent's last week... I shall never understand the workings of magazine distribution, never! Regards Joanne (grumbling. But nice pictures of the Kaldor sessions on the site, Judith.) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:51:30 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" Subject: Re: [B7L] Recasting and Cricketers Message-ID: <200008301751_MC2-B196-C959@compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Bother, a cricketing thread when I'm short of the time I'd need to answer= it properly. Erica proposes (in short) Blake: Wasim Akram Avon: Brian Lara Jenna: Justin Langer Vila: Mark Waugh Gan: Inzamam-ul-Haq Cally: Graeme Hick Travis: Hansie Cronje Servalan: Javed Miandad Dayna: Saqlain Mushtaq Tarrant: Shoaib Akhtar Soolin: Brett Lee My take on this is strongly influenced by the attributes of Blake's XI, a= s hammered out on this list back in 1996 (why do I keep getting this sense = of deja vu at the moment?) and featured in assorted games at cons, so the players I pick are bound to be affected by those. Hm, I posted the last match (Blake's XI v the Federation) only to Freedom City, didn't I? Blake: RHB, RM. No way could he bowl as fast as Wasim Akram - he's more = of a military medium. And Justice Qayyum's report probably has seen the end= of Was's captaincy, though with Pakistani cricket politics Allah only knows. In the future, everyone will have captained Pakistan for 15 minutes... Er, yes, Blake. Of current international captains, Steve Wau= gh is in the right sort of area, but no one could call Blake an Iceman. Jim= my Adams is tempting, despite being LHB occ SLA occ WK, but a bit too quiet.= Will keep thinking. Avon: LHB, RFM. Well, Lara fits the left-hander, but so do most of the West Indian team. Avon isn't nearly that good a bat, but is a very capab= le all-rounder. Actually, could he be Wasim, if he bowled with the other ar= m? Jenna: RHB, occ OB. Wrong attributes, but Langer's not impossible. She'= s a class batsman, all right. Saeed Anwar? Or even Sourav Ganguly? Begin= s to sound as if we were wrong about her being right-handed. Vila: LHB, SLA. Mark Waugh? Good heavens, Vila would never be that glamorous. We know he's descended from Phil Tufnell, so why look farther= ? Gan: RHB, RM. Inzamam... hmm... so when he attacked the spectator who called him a potato it was really because his limiter packed in? I'd rather look a bit closer to home, just up the road in fact, to Ian Austin= . = Or maybe Andrew Flintoff if he gets a bit steadier. Gan's more of a coun= ty player than a Test one, really, even though he does deserve an occasional= call-up. Cally: LHB, LBG. In 1996, Nick Barlow explained that Shane Warne was fro= m Auron. But a *thin* leg-spinner... Think Anil Kumble is probably one of= the least hefty ones around. Travis: RHB (both of him). It would be nice to get Cronje in somewhere, but I can't see Travis = wearing a watchstrap reading What Would Jesus Do Next. Travis never pretended to be anything other than what he was (except when wrapped in bandages and blanket). Nor did he burst into tears under interrogation. = If he hadn't retired, I might think in terms of Navjot Singh Sidhu, who never got on very well with the Indian Powers That Were. Servalan: RHB, SLA. No aspersions on his character, but I think someone with the class of Aravinda de Silva is called for here. I would consider= Salim Malik if I hadn't bagged him for Tarvin the Amagon. Dayna: RHB, RF. Not subtle enough for a spinner - obviously a fast bowle= r. There ought to be any number of young West Indian pace men fitting the bill, but if there were England wouldn't be going into Thursday's Test wi= th a chance of the Wisden Trophy. Maybe Alex Tudor, or Dean Headley? Or - forgetting race for a moment - I'm very tempted to make her Shoaib Akhtar= . = He's the only one around with that sort of bouncy joie de vivre I like in= Dayna. Tarrant: RHB, occ RM. Though his first appearance at Who's 7 was rather reminiscent of Sanath Jayasuriya, I've thought for a long time that he's really Graeme Hick. FTB. Left the Federation/Zimbabwe for a new career,= etc. We've never actually tried his bowling, I think, so maybe he'll tur= n out to be an off-spinner after all. Soolin: RHB, LF. Oh yes, Brett Lee, absolutely, she can probably bowl almost as fast with her right arm. You didn't mention the computers; in 1996, Nick argued convincingly that Orac was a sledging wicket-keeper, so not hard to find, and Slave was Ste= ve Barwick. Zen's a very calm No. 3 batsman, if you can find one. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:51:47 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" Subject: [B7L] FC: Paul Darrow on new CD Message-ID: <200008301752_MC2-B196-C95E@compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Judith listed the cast on some new Kaldor City CDs: = > Rull - Trevor Cooper (from 'Star Cops') > Firstmaster Landerchild - Peter Miles Ooooh, ooooh, ooooh... You almost tempt me. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:09:09 +0100 From: "Alison Page" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] casting, recasting etc. Message-ID: <018d01c012d7$bd9374c0$ca8edec2@pre-installedco> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit steve said - >I've often thought that Pileggi's fairly solidly built, >under that starched white shirt. Funny, I've often thought that too :-) Alison -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #245 **************************************