From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #25 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/25 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 25 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Remove [B7L] Gareth Interview Re: [B7L] Gareth Interview [B7L] Strangerers [B7L] Fan Q eligibles Re: [B7L] History Motivations and Justifications (was Re: [B7L] History) Re: [B7L] Re:Avon&the masses (was history) [B7L] Fab cafe on January 29 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 10:47:52 -0000 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Remove Message-ID: <000701bf6837$b87f3e60$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Julia wrote: > I genuinely am somewhat curious as to what he thought he'd find. > Remember the one that wandered in, and wandered out complaining because > the list wasted his time with discussions about the series instead of > being just postings telling him where to buy merchandise? I think it ties in with the discussion we had last autumn about different types of fan ('Mad Hatters' and 'Dormice', for want of better terms). There are people to whom B7 is just one - minor albeit important - area of interest, and that interest is pitched firmly at the series itself, not straying beyond it. Then there are others to whom (grammar) the series is a launchpad for a broader kind of social contact. Naturally the Lyst is more for the latter type (witness the banter between Iain and Una yesterday). The series is not forgotten, but it is not so much the focus of interest as a centre point around which everything else revolves. (Not just in cyberspace either - veteran con goers will know that con bar conversation is likely to be about *anything but* B7.) Neil "The only good alien is a dead alien" - Ursula LeGuin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:48:49 +0000 (GMT) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List cc: Freedom City Subject: [B7L] Gareth Interview Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII There's an interview with Gareth Thomas on http://www.Scotsman.com/taf/theatre.taf but it probably won't be there for long, so look fast. It's quite a good one. Judith (still off-list) -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:33:31 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: Lysator List , Freedom City Subject: Re: [B7L] Gareth Interview Message-ID: In message , Judith Proctor writes >There's an interview with Gareth Thomas on >http://www.Scotsman.com/taf/theatre.taf but it probably won't be there for long, >so look fast. It's quite a good one. I see the fen get a mention... standard journalist "oooh, freaks..." (yes, Steve, I know not all journos are the spawn of Satan:-) Good interview, though - I second the motion, go look at it. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:56:18 +0000 From: Steve Rogerson To: Lysator , Freedom City Subject: [B7L] Strangerers Message-ID: <388F8996.32C60AFA@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Strangerers web site has had a complete makeover since I last mentioned it. The site address is: http://www.sky.co.uk/strangerers And it kicks off at 9pm on Tuesday 15 February on Sky One. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson "In my world, there are people in chains and you can ride them like ponies" The alternative Willow, Buffy the Vampire Slayer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:59:23 -0800 From: "Sarah Thompson" To: Cc: , , "Susan Batho" , Subject: [B7L] Fan Q eligibles Message-ID: <011001bf6892$7d2bce40$a7abcdcf@y1i7s9> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Here's everything that I know of that is eligible for a gen B7 Fan Q this year. If anyone knows of anything else, please let us all know. Judith, or anyone else interested, feel free to post the info on a website. The deadline for nominations is February 28. There should be full info on the awards at the MediaWest Con website: http://members.ao.com/MdiaWstCon/mwc.htm We need plenty of nominations in various different categories in order for B7 to get its own category in the awards. Otherwise we are likely to find the B7 material in something like a general science fiction category, which of course means that it is almost impossible for a B7 zine to win anything when competing with, for instance, Star Wars zines. There is lots of good stuff this year, and fortunately we don't have to make any decisions yet. Just nominate everything you like-- that's what I'll be doing, anyway. Also, remember that everything must have something to run against to make the final ballot; so even if you have a clear favorite, you should nominate at least one other thing in the same category. I think it is a little odd to count the adult stories as "gen," but those are the Fan Q rules. For anyone who wonders why Nickie Barnard's excellent story from =Pressure Point= isn't here-- because I decided that according to the rules, it's slash, and so it's on the slash list that I will post to Freedom City (and to anyone not on that list who wants it, if you e-mail me privately). Sarah T. B7 material eligible for 2000 Fan-Qs Gen and het adult [Reprinted stories, listed in brackets, are not eligible for awards but are included for the sake of completeness.] Artists Bernice Cuffe (CHRONICLES #64) Fiona Ellem (CHRONICLES #64) Pat Fenech (photo montages in RITES OF PASSAGE) Mary O'Connor (THE QUIBELL ABDUCTION [new cover art]) Val Westall (ALL CHANGE, RENAISSANCE, RITES OF PASSAGE, VEMQUEST) Andrew Williams (CHRONICLES #64) J. T. Johnson (S.L.Y.G.O.) Kamael Heru Er (S.L.Y.G.O.) Poems and filks Kathryn Andersen, "Haunting" (A), REFRACTIONS #6 (mm; AU, 1999.4) Garnet, "Shadows" (S4, post-Orbit; gen A-V), DARK FANTASIES #6 (mm; US, 1999.10) [Note: the zine is mostly slash and adult, but this poem is gen.] Stories, by author The Aitchison Family, "Friend or Foe" (competition entry; S2; SW crossover, Han Solo on Liberator), AVON NEWSLETTER #73 (UK, 1999.11) Chris Blenkarn, "Diary of a Rebel Somebody" ("with apologies to Diary of a Nobody by George and Weeedon Grossmith;" S1, Cygnus Alpha; B; humor), PRESSURE POINT (UK, 1999) Helen Brunton, "Destroying the Evidence" (script; S1; humor), PRESSURE POINT (UK, 1999) Susan Cutter, "Zipper" (adult; S2; J/V), SOUTHERN COMFORT #10.5 (US, 1999.5) Susan Cutter, "Traitor to the Cause" (S2, alt-pre-Keeper), PRESSURE POINT (UK, 1999) Marian de Haan, "A Time for Goodwill" (S1, alt-Cygnus Alpha; A-J; Christmas story), AVON NEWSLETTER #73 (UK, 1999.11) Pat Fenech, "The Edge of Memory" (S1, The Way Back; B), CHRONICLES #64 (AU, 1999.8) Pat Fenech, "Under a Dark Star Sail" (S1, The Way Back- Spacefall; A-B), RITES OF PASSAGE (AU, 1999) Pat Fenech, "Remember Me" (S4 - S2, post-Voice; A-B), RITES OF PASSAGE (AU, 1999) Alicia Ann Fox, "Xenogamy" (adult; S2; ST Voyager crossover; A/B'Elanna), SOUTHERN COMFORT #11.5 (US, 1999.5) Alison Glover, "Escape Velocity" (S0; Ta), CHRONICLES #64 (AU, 1999.8) Viv Gover, "Only a Mutoid" (S1, post-SLD; A), AVON NEWSLETTER #73 (UK, 1999.11) Edwina Harvey, "Legends Don't Die" (S5, long after GP), CHRONICLES #64 (AU, 1999.8) Carrie Hewlett, "Friend or Foe" (competition entry; S3; B5 crossover, Lennier on Liberator), AVON NEWSLETTER #73 (UK, 1999.11) [Yvonne S. Hintz, "Torture for Torture" (S2; Se-ocm; reprinted from CENTERO #27 [apa; AU, 1988.1]), CHRONICLES #64 (AU, 1999.8)] Pat Jacquerie, Lexa Reiss, and Erika Bloom, "Outcast of Auron" (adult; S3; A/ocf, uc C/Ta, A/C), SOUTHERN COMFORT #10.5 (US, 1999.5) Christine Lacey, "Drug-Induced Tranquility" (S1), PRESSURE POINT (UK, 1999) Bryn Lantry, "The Thirteenth Hour" (S5; A-B), RITES OF PASSAGE (AU, 1999) [STANDARD BY SEVEN SPECIAL #1: Deadly Night Shades (story by Gillian Marsden; S4; Ta/ocf, A-So, uc A/Se; UK, 1982); reprinted in MILLENIUM SPECIAL (UK, 1999)] [THE CHAMELEONS (novella by Gillian Marsden; S5; A/ocf, A- Ta; UK, 1985); reprinted in MILLENIUM SPECIAL (UK, 1999)] Marian Mendez, "Flattery" (S2, alt-post-Pressure Point; A/ocf; humor), PRESSURE POINT (UK, 1999) Marian Mendez, "Dupe" (S5; B-A-V), PRESSURE POINT (UK, 1999) Ana Morgan, "After Olympus" (S5; A/Se, Meegat, V), CHRONICLES #64 (AU, 1999.8) Ana Morgan, "Lazarus Entombed" (S3, Rumours - S0; A/Anna), RITES OF PASSAGE (AU, 1999) Jenni O'Connell, "Becoming" (S0 - S1, Spacefall; Zen), PRESSURE POINT (UK, 1999) Judith Proctor, "Revenge's Child" (S5, long after GP; So), CHRONICLES #64 (AU; 1999.8) Judith Proctor, "Rebel Quartet" (competition entry; S2; How Green Was My Valley/ Knights of God/ Merlin: The Magic Begins crossover, characters played by GT on Liberator; humor), AVON NEWSLETTER #73 (UK, 1999.11) Gillian Puddle, "Hologrammatic Nightmare" (competition runner up; S2; RD crossover, Rimmer on Liberator; humor), AVON NEWSLETTER #72 (nl; UK, 1999.5) Gillian Puddle, "Light Comes in the Morning" (S3, Sarcophagus; A-C), AVON NEWSLETTER #72 (nl; UK, 1999.5) Steve Rogerson, "Under Control" (adult; S2, post-Pressure Point; G/Se), DARK FANTASIES #6 (mm; US, 1999.10) [Leah Rosenthal and Ann Wortham, "Taken In" (adult; A/J), BLAKE'S SEVEN: THE OTHER SIDE #3 (AU, 1987); revised and reprinted in STRAIGHT BLAKE'S #2 (US, 1995) and (credited to Catocala) in SOUTHERN COMFORT #11.5 (US, 1999.5)] Willa Shakespeare, "It's Snow Wonder" (adult; S4, Rescue; A- O, implied C/Ta; humor), SOUTHERN COMFORT #10.5 (US, 1999.5) Willa Shakespeare, "The House of Judgement" (adapted from Oscar Wilde, Poems in Prose; A), SOUTHERN COMFORT #10.5 (US, 1999.5) Natalie Smith (age 10) and Paul Smith (age 9), "Twikki Visits the Liberator" (competition entry; S2; humor), AVON NEWSLETTER #73 (UK, 1999.11) Sarah Vernon, "Have We Met Before" (competition entry; S3; DW crossover, DW6 on Liberator), AVON NEWSLETTER #73 (UK, 1999.11) Ros Williams, "Friend or Foe" (competition entry; S3; ST crossover, Kirk on Liberator; humor), AVON NEWSLETTER #73 (UK, 1999.11) Georgina Woodcock, "Friend or Foe" (competition winner; S1; B5 crossover, G'Kar on Liberator; humor), AVON NEWSLETTER #72 (nl; UK, 1999.5) Georgina Woodcock, "Complaints of the Season" (S2, post- Hostage; New Year story), AVON NEWSLETTER #73 (UK, 1999.11) Nonfiction zines AVON NEWSLETTER #72 (includes some short fiction; UK, 1999.5) AVON NEWSLETTER #73 (includes some short fiction; UK, 1999.11) Standalone zines (not including reprints) ALL CHANGE: A Blake's 7 Audio Play (script by Judith Proctor; S4; UK, 1999) AVON #17: Full Circle (story by Penny Kjelgaard; S5; UK, 1999) RENAISSANCE (two linked stories by Diane L. Holland: "Chiaroscuro" [Renaissance AU; A-B-V] and "Purgatorio" [sequel to "Chiaroscuro;" Renaissance AU; A-B-V]; UK, 1999.1) S.L.Y.G.O. (novella by Jann Tarrant Johnson; S0-S5; Ta; NZ, 1999) VEMQUEST (A Space City Round Robin [story], from an idea by Deborah Rose; by Deborah Rose, Kat W., Alicia Ann Fox, Susan Beth, Harriet Monkhouse, Pat Jacquerie, Margaret Sampson, Helen Patrick, Jackie, Kassandra West, Carolyn, Hanneke, Cami, Twisted Sister, Patti McClellan, Calle Dybedahl, Alison Page, Susan M., Fifitrix, Jenni; S4, Assassin; real world and multimedia crossover; humor; UK, 1999.1) Anthology zines CHRONICLES #64 (AU, 1999) [PRESSURE POINT (UK, 1999)-- technically eligible, but the editor asks that it not be nominated] RITES OF PASSAGE (AU, 1999) Multimedia gen zines with B7 material REFRACTIONS #6 (B7 poetry only; AU, 1999.4) PROFESSIONAL HILARITY (humor; DE, 1999) [Reprint zines, just for reference-- not eligible for awards, except for new art, or possibly a general "best zine" for layout:] COLLECTED TALES FROM THE REBEL'S RETURN (reprint of B7 zine TALES FROM THE REBEL'S RETURN [UK, 1981?], plus non-B7 stories reprinted from ENIGMA; UK, 1999) MILLENIUM SPECIAL (reprint of novella and story by Gillian Marsden, THE CHAMELEONS [UK, 1985] and Deadly Night Shades [UK, 1983]; UK, 1999) THE QUIBELL ABDUCTION (novella by Lillian Shepherd; UK, 1980.7; second edition: UK, 1999)  ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:09:21 +0000 From: Una McCormack To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] History Message-ID: <38900B41.90AE4F7B@q-research.connectfree.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Iain Coleman wrote: > > On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Una McCormack wrote: > > > Iain Coleman wrote: > > > > Repeat fees, my dear, repeat fees. How do you think I fund my millionaire > > > playboy lifestyle? > > > > I thought you did that by being one of the Spice Girls. > > > > _All_ of the Spice Girls. Hmm, by day, Iain Coleman is a mild-mannered physicist tampering with the forces of life itself, by night - Uber Spice. It figures. Una ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:50:59 -0800 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Motivations and Justifications (was Re: [B7L] History) Message-ID: <38908582.D6BE0AFF@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally Manton wrote: > Mistral wrote: > strikes me more as vendetta.> > > Like to give examples? I'm not saying you're wrong, but since > I didn't hear it, I'd like the chance to consider it. Hmm. That's a tough one, because the reason I said 'strikes me' is because it's mostly subjective on my part; you know, more in the tone of voice, and the emphasis of particular words; in things not said as much as said. In fact, it makes me wish sometimes that I knew what was in Gareth Thomas's head when he was voicing the dialogue. But since you ask, I'll try to illustrate what gives me the impression. His attitude is more "me against them" than "us against them". Ex: 'I intend to see that heart torn out' (Spacefall); 'I will destroy it if I can' (Duel); and the one that really bugs me 'it's the only way I can be sure that I was right' (Star One). There are several more similar examples that point to this as a *personal* crusade. And the emphasis is so often on the word *I*. He's much more impassioned when talking about what the Federation did to *him* ('They butchered my family, my friends. They murdered my past and gave me tranquilized dreams,' etc.) than he is when talking about the way the Federation treats its citizens. That's perfectly understandable, of course; but because of the tone, the former sounds more like motivation, the latter like justification. He doesn't coordinate his efforts with other rebels very often at all, even though he's in an ideal position to coordinate a galaxy- wide rebellion; but that would make it less personal and he'd have to consider the needs and goals of others. Another thing that points to it being personal is the number of times he lets Travis and Servalan escape. He's more interested in rubbing their noses in it than in good tactics. They're both meaningful targets; Servalan's loss particularly would cause some real disruption (no, it wouldn't bring the Federation down *by itself*, but then neither would anything else they did) and Travis was not only 'the best' Servalan had, he was a high-ranking officer who had been known to order the deaths of citizens unlawfully. The worst example of this is that Blake *should not* under any circumstances have let Travis escape with the knowledge that Star One's location was on Goth. But hurting Travis's ego was more important than the rebellion, apparently. The rights and wishes of others come entirely secondary to his cause. He lays claim to the Liberator and its contents in the name of his cause, even though Jenna and Avon surely ought to have some say in the matter. His stated reason for rescuing the others from Cygnus Alpha? 'I need a crew'. And when the others don't jump at the chance to join up with him because they're afraid for their lives if they go: 'You're pathetic. I should leave you to rot. You want to live like slaves? Live or die at the whim of a madman, then fine.But you're not taking me down with you. I'm getting out. I'm better off without you.' He lies to his own people (Cygnus Alpha, Pressure Point) and breaks his word to them (Time Squad) to get them to do what he wants. And twice in Time Squad we're told that anyone who doesn't want to join in the fight can opt out. (Translation, courtesy Jenna and Gan: be dropped off somewhere to be recaptured by the Feds.) And his treatment of Sarkoff is *extremely* disturbing. And then there's the System. The system has slaves, too. One of them died to help him escape. Blake didn't see it happen, of course, but the risk, at least, was apparent. If it's all about freedom and oppression, why didn't he take the time to free the system's people? Three planets would be a lot easier to free than the Federation. Particularly as Orac had already damaged the system. But Blake didn't even pause to think about whether the slave who helped him was hurt, whether the damage to the system was severe enough to compromise the safety of the humans on the station, etc., etc. No, it's straight back to Earth sector without a backward glance. Yes, the system isn't Blake's fight; but surely some compassion or regret or a token blow for freedom in honor of the slave who aided them is in order? So again, it seems Blake's grudge against the Federation is personal. *Note:* None of this qualifies as *proof* that Blake's motivations are more personal than altruistic. But taken all together, it strikes *me* as a pattern. > Perhaps you can claim that Avon is not making these choices > *on behalf* of people so much as *about* them, but again > I think that's a semantical argument (one that the said > people might not appreciate the finer points of ). Mm. Well, if I were one of the people, I would appreciate it. Thing is, everything affects everything else. You can't make any major decisions without affecting other people. But you can resist the temptation to usurp others' rights to decide for themselves. (And if someone else is violating their rights, and they don't wish to fight back, that's their business, too.) Avon mostly minds his own business unless asked; Blake jumps right in whether he's wanted or not, when it suits him. I do agree with you and Julia about taking no action *is* an action. But sometimes, it's the *right* action. Mistral -- "Who do you serve? And who do you trust?" --Galen, 'Crusade' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:55:20 -0800 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:Avon&the masses (was history) Message-ID: <38908687.F306BE7D@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ellynne G. wrote: > >Children of Auron - a whole world, Cally's world, is dying, > >but he has to be forcibly shoved into putting it above his > >own plans (as Julia said, a decision to *not* act is still > >a decision.) > > > This episode has some real odd points when you think about it. Avon has > let the Anna issue sit on the back burner for a couple years or more > (don't tell me it took him this long to dig up the official cover story > on Anna's death). Then, suddenly, this is all he can concentrate on. IMO, combination of two things. (1) First time he's been in charge instead of Blake; (2) Guilt over not being able to find Blake stirs up guilt over Anna's death. > That aside, I think Avon discounted a lot of what Cally told him she was > getting from Zelda. Although he doesn't say it, he could have plenty of > reasons for being wary. Zelda could be lying. He did say he suspected a trap. And he was right. You remember the old saw about paranoia, yes? Mistral -- "Who do you serve? And who do you trust?" --Galen, 'Crusade' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 15:52:09 -0500 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: Freedom City , "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" Subject: [B7L] Fab cafe on January 29 Message-ID: <200001271552_MC2-96A2-53FF@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just to remind those in the Manchester area that some of us will be at the Fab cafe on Portland Street (hordes of Tysonians permitting) on Saturday from between six and seven until some time or other. Be there or be somewhere else. Harriet -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #25 *************************************