From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #253 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/253 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 253 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Mission to Destiny [ Judith Proctor ] [B7L] Re: Sara = 54124 [ Helen Krummenacker ] Re: [B7L] Re: Sara = 54124 [ "Ellynne G." ] Re: [B7L] Re: Sara = 54124 [ Betty Ragan ] FW: [B7L] Mission to Destiny [ Andrew Williams ] Evidence of Religion (was Re: [B7L] [ Kathryn Andersen ] Re: [B7L] More rare and out-of-print [ Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Mission to Destiny Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Thu 07 Sep, Betty Ragan wrote: > > Tavia Chalcraft wrote: > > I read recently online a really interesting and well-written story about > > the Ortega crew on the Liberator on the way to Destiny after the end of the > > episode. Unfortunately, I can't remember where... or the title or author or > > anything useful, perhaps someone else can help. However, they certainly > > weren't happy about the loss of the ship. > > Erm... I *know* I read something like this, somewhere. (As I believe I > mentioned at some point on one of these lists, *all* stories, now matter > how good or bad, eventually tend to jumble together in my mind until I > can never recall individual details.) I think the one I'm thinking of > was written as Levitt's personal log or diary, and I seem to recall her > having a fling with Avon (although those may have been two entirely > different stories). Totally unhelpful, huh? Sounds like 'Seven Days to Destiny' by Vega. It's in Star Three (which also contains Lilian Sheperd's 'Haunting of Haderon which is a real must for Avon and Vila fans). Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:33:06 -0400 From: "Dana Shilling" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Mission to Destiny Message-ID: <008d01c0190a$efcc87e0$60ae4e0c@dshilling> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Una & Tavia mentioned the story "Seven Days to Destiny." Some points about this episode I haven't seen mentioned: 1. If the !@##$ neutrotope is so !@##$% important, why do the crew just hand it over to Blake, who they don't know from Adam's off ox anyway? 2. The box really isn't locked so you'd notice it--it bounces open when the Liberator hits an air pocket. 3. Nice one, Blake, just leaving the thing on the sofa. Maybe he was planning to blow up the Ortega anyway to avoid having to explain why the neutrotope got smashed to bits. 4. Actually, if you read Sherlock Holmes stories, your actual Sherlock Holmes can be pretty dense. -(Y) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:54:35 GMT From: Ika To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Mission to Destiny Message-Id: <200009072054.VAA17615@smtp.uk2net.com> Tavia: > > My nine favourites, for the record, in some order are: Space Fall, > Seek--Locate--Destroy, Redemption, Killer, Countdown, Gambit, Star One, > Terminal, Blake. I could not work out which was tenth. And no, I'm not > primarily a Blake fan, and I'm as surprised as anyone that they all > contained Blake. > "I'm *not* surprised" - Blake to Avon after the explosion, The Web Love, Ika ---------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using http://uk2.net NEWS - CHEAPEST DEDICATED SERVERS IN THE WORLD - 29/month UK's FREE Domains, FREE Dialup, FREE Webdesign, FREE email ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 17:47:41 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Sara = 54124 Message-ID: <39B8372C.40AE@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (snipping all of Ellynne's wonderful linguistics theory and simply replying to it:) If the writing was based on an alphabet (SLavic, Celtic, or whatever) that Avon was comfortably familiar with, that would make him even more of an idiot for not seeing the word rather than the numbers sooner. However, if the fellow was writing in a local alphabet, then it becomes a lucky coincidence that the letters he uses are recognizable even by stretching the imagination. I'm not sure which of these you were aiming at, but I think it was the second one? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:26:14 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Sara = 54124 Message-ID: <20000907.212615.-3198659.0.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, 07 Sep 2000 17:47:41 -0700 Helen Krummenacker writes: > > If the writing was based on an alphabet (SLavic, Celtic, or > whatever) > that Avon was comfortably familiar with, that would make him even > more > of an idiot for not seeing the word rather than the numbers sooner. > However, if the fellow was writing in a local alphabet, then it > becomes > a lucky coincidence that the letters he uses are recognizable even > by > stretching the imagination. I'm not sure which of these you were > aiming > at, but I think it was the second one? Oh, no! I spent all my time explaining the background and skipped the point! A situation strangely similiar to when I tell jokes but that's beside the point. All right, I was assuming it was an alphabet (probably Roman) that Avon, being a real information addict, had some knowledge of. Between the dead guy's poor writing and the fact that it was something Avon didn't work with on anything close to a dayly basis, he had the perfect excuse for taking a while thinking of it. Cally, whose Terran language knowledge was probably limited to the Federation's official language, is also excused (since she had worked in communications, she may have been familiar with others [or not, Auron was isolationist after all], but apparently not this one). The others on the ship maybe should have been a bit quicker, but it might have been like me seeing a badly written word in Spanish that looked like it might have been something in English. Or maybe like seeing IV and thinking 4 instead of I.V. Whew. On Thu 07 Sep, Ellynne G. wrote: >Khan Noonian Singh [large snip] one somehow >feels Tibet is not being blamed for this turn of events]). Judith wrote: >Singh is pure Sikh as far as names go - hence I'd assume his native language as >Punjab or one of the other Indian languages. Yeah, but I still think they were trying to implicate Soviet territory (er, it didn't sound like I was saying that was a Tibetan name, did it? I was just thinking of Tibet as the least likely country to be used as a military aggressor in a story [kind of like the joke about the Amish drive by shooting]). Besides, while it's tempting to make a scenario where India's caste system had something to do with the Federation's grading system, it just doesn't feel right (nor does it seem to fit quite right with the eugenic or genetic modifications Khan & co. had undergone [I think Fiona's the one whose studied this, but I understand India has more of a circular view of time emphasizing a less aggressive view towards change while traditional communism tended to view time more as linear with conditions either getting better or worse depending on human response (or sort of, but simplifications and their inherent inaccuracies have to go somewhere)]). >Never thought about it before in this context, but Khan is a title as well as a >name. eg Ghengis Khan, the Aga Khan and others. Oh, that's right. But what I wonder about is why Data's creator was Dr. Noonian Singh. Not that it has anything to do with B7. Unless Noonian Singh was an escapee from the B7 universe who thought of Noonian Singh as a common name (from all the little kiddies back home named after the legendary dictator [does that mean there may be hundreds of little Servalans someday? Or is this another reason to _really_ want the Federation overthrown? To spare all the little moppets from cutting off their hair and tottering around in high heels and slinky eveningwear not meant to be breathed in?]). Uh, oh. Dark hair, fair skin, computer genius.... I think we found Avon's brother. Which makes him Data's uncle. Eep. Oh, well, he ought to like nephew Lore, although I wonder how Orac will respond to the cousins. Talk about potential sibling (well, familial) rivalry of epic proportions. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 00:22:57 -0600 From: Betty Ragan To: B7 Lyst Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Sara = 54124 Message-ID: <39B885C1.E9DB675E@sdc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ellynne G. wrote: > Oh, that's right. But what I wonder about is why Data's creator was Dr. > Noonian Singh. Nipick here, and admittedly off-topic, but Data's creator was Dr. Noonian *Soong*. Which is admittedly similar, but it was likely just coincidence. > I think we found Avon's brother. Which makes him Data's uncle. Eep. > Oh, well, he ought to like nephew Lore, although I wonder how Orac will > respond to the cousins. Talk about potential sibling (well, familial) > rivalry of epic proportions. I do think there's a definite crossover potential in this, though! :) -- Betty Ragan ** ragan@sdc.org ** http://www.sdc.org/~ragan/ "Imposing Latin rules on English structure is a little like trying to play baseball in ice skates." -- Bill Bryson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:40:05 +1000 From: Andrew Williams To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: FW: [B7L] Mission to Destiny Message-ID: <4103E830BB67D211877400A0247B635E34E127@dialup49.actonline.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain >>Tavia: >> Well, by popular request and FWIW, the Worst Ten Episode Awards go to: >> >> 1: Animals > >Hmm. > >Una Anyone else want to see Ms. McCormack with enormous horns and a chicito bar for a nose appearing in an episode called "Unamals?" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 08:39:30 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Mission to Destiny Message-ID: <183901c01967$eeb689c0$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrew: > >>Tavia: > >> Well, by popular request and FWIW, the Worst Ten Episode Awards go to: > >> > >> 1: Animals > > > >Hmm. > > > >Una > > Anyone else want to see Ms. McCormack with enormous horns and a chicito bar > for a nose appearing in an episode called "Unamals?" No time in make-up, huh? Sounds good to me. Una ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 08:20:04 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Sara = 54124 Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Fri 08 Sep, Ellynne G. wrote: > On Thu 07 Sep, Ellynne G. wrote: > >Never thought about it before in this context, but Khan is a title as > well as a > >name. eg Ghengis Khan, the Aga Khan and others. > > Oh, that's right. But what I wonder about is why Data's creator was Dr. > Noonian Singh. Not that it has anything to do with B7. Unless Noonian > Singh was an escapee from the B7 universe who thought of Noonian Singh as > a common name (from all the little kiddies back home named after the > legendary dictator [does that mean there may be hundreds of little > Servalans someday? If I recall correctly, all Sikhs are called Singh as their last name. It was a conscious choice when the religion was founded. Thus you only have to explain Noonian and it might well be a name as traditional as John is for us in Singh's culture. Basially, pairing Noonian with Singh would not be as controversial as pairing Adolf with Hitler because of the surname being so widespread. (Unless his parents thought the Khan was a hero of course - maybe the android was an attempt to create a perfect being instead of doing it by eugenics...) Having now drifted totally off topic, let's try and see if there's any evidence at all for the survival of any living religion in the Federation. I can only think of the fancy dress nun in Gambit - suggesting that the image might be recognised, but given Krantor's love of period costumes, that might not signify. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:38:16 +0100 From: Alison Page To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" Subject: [B7L] Travis personality test shock Message-ID: <21B0197931E1D211A26E0008C79F6C4AB0C72E@BRAMLEY> Content-Type: text/plain I took the 'bastard' test giving my best shot at Travis' answers. It was surprisingly easy to answer most questions with a reasonable degree of confidence, and I got a score of 72% bastard. Which doesn't sound that high, but puts him ahead of 96% of people taking the test. I rather suspect the 4% who were bigger bastards than Travis were also fictional characters, or the inflated alter-egos of 13 year old boys. has anyone done the 'bitch' test for Servalan? Alison ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 11:10:44 GMT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Mission to Destiny Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed My theories, FWIW ... Avon is having far too much fun tinkering with the machinery and playing amateur - and very irritating - detective (and the former is actually taking up much more of his attention, this is *Avon*, machines before people every time) to put much serious thought into deciphering the thing. It's just a flash of inspiration (on seeing the instrument in the filter plant) that gives it to him. Cally is way too literal minded to get there before him. I'm with Judith on Blake and the Ortega - the Liberator was weak at that minute, Sara and her accomplices were unlikely to sit back and watch them swan off with the priceless McGuffin without a fight. I see it as a preemptive strike. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 07:18:44 EDT From: Bizarro7@aol.com To: freedom-city@blakes-7.org, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] More rare and out-of-print B7 zines added... Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The following B7 fanzines are currently listed on the Ashton Press eBay auction page. Since these are from a personal collection, there will only be one of each made available, unless a duplicate copy, accidentally purchased, turns up in the stacks. Most are original print runs, not reprints: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/ashton7/ ORBIT #4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10 HORIZON #9, 12, 18 ROADS NOT TAKEN SANCTION DESPERADO MAGNIFICENT 7 #9 RETURN OF THE 7 #3 SEVENTH SECTOR #1, 2, 3 DOWN & UNSAFE #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 AVON #1, 2, 7, 8 FAITH HOPE & CHARITY LEDGE BETWEEN THE STREAMS BEHIND THE SCENES: TERMINAL In addition, there are many photos (some of them unique) going up of the B7 characters and actors and the postings will continue on a regular basis. Please check back regularly to see these rare goodies, if only to look and enjoy. eBay View About Me for ashton7 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 07:24:23 EDT From: Bizarro7@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, freedom-city@blakes-7.org Subject: [B7L] Whoops. Just added... Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ...to the Ashton Press eBay zine auction: HORIZON #6, 7, 10, 14, 15 Good luck! http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/ashton7/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:03:12 +0100 From: "Nic Mayer" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Mission to Destiny Message-ID: <002601c01995$303b7b80$4664883e@nic> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Betty Ragan To: B7 Lyst Sent: 06 September 2000 19:46 Subject: Re: [B7L] Mission to Destiny > > When Avon points out that 54124 is in fact a word (SARA), how on earth > > does he make 4 an A? The 5 and the 12 I can see, but since when did a 4 > > look like an A? Or am I missing something here? (When he started to > > explain I thought he was going to stick it in a calculator and turn it > > upside down, but 2 isn't a letter, nor is 54124 a word) > > Well, a 4, hastily written, might look a little like an A with the > bottom part of the left-hand leg missing. (Um, does that make sense? > I'm rotten at describing visual things Someone sent me a piccie of it, so I get it now. > > Now, Blake goes back to the Liberator and they set off for this planet to > > deliver the thing (you can tell I'm good with names). > > Actually, this one should be easy. It was -- ready for it? -- > "Destiny." ;) That did occur to me after I sent the e-mail. > > Last point - As far as I can tell, Blake doesn't actually kill anyone > > unless he has to. So why does he quite happily blow up the two ships? I > > know that these were 'bad' people, but he (or someone else) should have > > made sure that Sara didn't get an opportunity to take the teleport > > bracelet off. > > Yeah. This is, I think, often cited as evidence of Blake's ruthless > streak. But, while I certainly admit that he *has* a ruthless streak, > this still seems a bit out of character to me. If nothing else, I > imagine the _Ortega_ crew probably were not happy about the loss of > their ship. Plus there's the fact that he has no idea of the guilt or innocence (or numbers) of the people on the other ship. OK, so they're probably not the nicest people you'd ever want to meet, but then he travels round with smugglers, murderers and thieves. And he did blow up rather a lot of money, which should make people unhappy, although that is the idea, I suppose. Just wait till I get to see other episodes (like series 2, 3 and 4), I'm sure I'll find plenty of things to say about those too :) Nic ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:42:40 +0000 From: Murray To: Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Sara = Darla? Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" One of the things I particularly like about 'Mission to Destiny' was the villain, Sara, who first came across as the typical 'dumb blonde': easily scared, not very intelligent, in need of male protection, and fodder for the villain. Eventually, however, we all saw that she herself was the tough and very ruthless villain. She reminds me of Darla, a vampire in 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer', who looked and behaved like the 'dumb blonde' but who was particularly vicious, using her 'helpless' image to catch her victims. Murray ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:18:13 +1100 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Evidence of Religion (was Re: [B7L] Re: Sara = 54124) Message-ID: <20000908211812.B3053@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 08:20:04AM +0100, Judith Proctor wrote: > Having now drifted totally off topic, let's try and see if there's > any evidence at all for the survival of any living religion in the > Federation. > > I can only think of the fancy dress nun in Gambit - suggesting that > the image might be recognised, but given Krantor's love of period > costumes, that might not signify. There's also the usage of the word "hell", but again, that could simply be cultural, rather than religious -- though if all religion is banned, then one might have thought such a term would be suspect. "I'm in hell and it's full of Avons!" -- Vila Restal (Blake's 7: Dawn Of The Gods [C4]) "All right then, give me a good reason. I'm a reasonable man. I'll accept a good reason. I'll accept a bad reason. I'll accept any damn reason at all, just tell me what the hell it is I'm meant to have done." -- Vila to Kerril (Blake's 7: City at the Edge of the World [C6]) Servalan: Go to hell, Avon. Avon: Probably. (Blake's 7: Rumours of Death [C8]) Slave: Sorry, sir. Tarrant: And don't keep saying you're sorry. Slave: Sorry, sir. Tarrant: Don't! What the hell. Preliminary damage survey, Slave. (Blake's 7: Animals [D5]) Soolin: What does it matter how the poor old man died? The question is `where the hell is Cancer?' Avon: Well we know where he isn't. He isn't on the flight deck, he isn't in his cabin and he isn't in here. Soolin: Shall we search the rest of the ship? Avon: Oh I imagine he would just love that, wouldn't you? (Blake's 7: Assassin [D7]) Avon: You do know that this is a hell of a risk? Tarrant: It usually is anyway, isn't it? (Blake's 7: Sand [D9]) Tarrant: A strategic withdrawal is running away - but with dignity. Vila: So lay in a course and let's get the dignified hell out of here. (Blake's 7: Blake [D13]) "So get the hell out of here, will you? There's no point in both of us dying." -- Del Tarrant to Kerr Avon (Blake's 7: Blake [D13]) Note that most of these are variations on "what the hell" so they could well be dismissed as linguistic remnants. However, Vila refers to Hell as a place, and so do Servalan and Avon. Kathryn Andersen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "Having defined the problem, the first step towards a solution is the acquisition of data. You should know that." -- Roj Blake to Kerr Avon (Blake's 7: Spacefall [A2]) -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | \_.--.*/ | v | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:51:20 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Cc: Freedom City Subject: [B7L] Cult TV and Oxfam Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII It's nearly two months until Cult TV. Could people going to the con please do me a favour? I'm a volunteer at Oxfam and one of the things I help with is the book department. We revamped it last week and our book sales have trebbled as a result. It's great - serious money to help those who really need it - but we're running out of books! Could you have a look through your shelves and find books that you're willing to donate to charity. Bring them along to Cult TV and leave them either at my stand or at the Redemption stand. (My husband's picking me up in the car, so I don't have my normal problem of having to limit what I can carry myself) We really want popular paperback novels in good condition. Lots of them. Dig out those books you read on holiday and let someone else read them. We also sell literature (I notice a book of Blake's poetry sold this morning), history (books about the war seem to go well), reference books (Jane's submarines sold today), natural history, travel (almost out of those now), crime novels (those seem really popular), science fiction (guess which member of staff insisted on having an SF shelf?), biographies, first editions (you're not allowed to price books until you've been on a course to enable you to spot the rarieties) and unused books of crosswords and puzzles. Give your book a happy ending - donate it to Oxfam. Judith PS. We also sell videos, cassettes and CDs. I'll happily accept donations of those too. -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:57:25 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: Re: [B7L] Mission to Destiny Message-ID: <200009081357_MC2-B2A2-88D4@compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Tavia replied to Una: >>It was in 'Deadlier than the Male', and it was a = >>story called (I think) 'Seven Days to Destiny', by Vega. >Yes, I think that was the one I meant. Well, it must be online somewhere= these days.... I read it in Star Three, published by Judith. I keep trying to understand the cult of Levitt, but don't quite get it. = I do appreciate her non-bimboish qualities, but I can't get much further th= an that on what we're given. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 20:22:45 +0200 From: "Marian de Haan" To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Evidence of Religion (was Sara = 54124) Message-ID: <005a01c019c1$cd511700$5ced72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Judith Proctor wrote: >> Having now drifted totally off topic, let's try and see if there's any evidence at all for the survival of any living religion in the Federation. >> >> I can only think of the fancy dress nun in Gambit - suggesting that the image might be recognised, but given Krantor's love of period costumes, that might not signify.<< Kathryn Andersen replied: >There's also the usage of the word "hell", but again, that could simply be cultural, rather than religious -- though if all religion is banned, then one might have thought such a term would be suspect< Hell has become a common word used by non religious people in our time to describe a nasty place, so I can imagine it being still in use in a non-religious environment in the future. What does feel out of place to me is Vila referring to "Judgement Day" in Horizon. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:12:27 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] More rare and out-of-print B7 zines added... Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Fri 08 Sep, Bizarro7@aol.com wrote: > The following B7 fanzines are currently listed on the Ashton Press eBay > auction page. Since these are from a personal collection, there will only be > one of each made available, unless a duplicate copy, accidentally purchased, > turns up in the stacks. Most are original print runs, not reprints: > > http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/ashton7/ > > ORBIT #4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10 > HORIZON #9, 12, 18 > ROADS NOT TAKEN > SANCTION > DESPERADO > MAGNIFICENT 7 #9 > RETURN OF THE 7 #3 > SEVENTH SECTOR #1, 2, 3 > DOWN & UNSAFE #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 > AVON #1, 2, 7, 8 > FAITH HOPE & CHARITY > LEDGE BETWEEN THE STREAMS > BEHIND THE SCENES: TERMINAL > eBay View About Me for > ashton7 I'd recommed several of the above. Down and Unsafe was always good quality fiction. Orbit was good, the early issues were the best. They're both digest zines, but don't let that hide the writing quality from you. Roads Not Taken has some really good alternative universe stories and there's one in it that I'd recommend to any fan of Travis 2. Desperado is for those who like both Avon and dogs (I found it okay, but nothing fantastic) FAITH HOPE & CHARITY + LEDGE BETWEEN THE STREAMS - Judith Seaman stories. These usually fall into the 'Avon suffers like hell category'. Not for keen Blake fans, but always well written. Many of those zines will have listings of stories and authors on my web site if you want to check out more detail of what is in them. Sarah Thompson has done an enormous amount of research and the zine data base is largely her work. Just use the site's search engine and enter the name of the zine you're interested in. http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #253 **************************************