From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #265 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/265 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 265 Today's Topics: [B7L] Nightclubs and Avon [ "Ellynne G." ] [B7L] You know you watch too much B7 [ "Ellynne G." ] [B7L] Current classic out-of-print z [ Bizarro7@aol.com ] Re: [B7L] Selected episodes (Vericon [ "Una McCormack" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Nightclubs and Avon Message-ID: <20000920.222959.-107971.1.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just thinking, it may have been as a reaction to a certain radio show (that I admit not hearing all of) that I inserted a part in a fanfic where Avon _did_ go to a nightclub. This is the first (and very dramatic) hint that natural order has been overthrown in the universe (well, OK, not _that_ dramatic. But something Strange is going on). Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:23:46 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] You know you watch too much B7 when.... Message-ID: <20000920.222959.-107971.0.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The other day at a bookstore, I came across a paperback that made no impression on me whatsoever. I can't remember the title. The blurb on the back evaporated from memory (I even went back to read it again and it still wouldn't stick). I don't know who the author was or what the cover looked like. Obviously, this sounds like a pretty dull book (amazingly, it was part of a series - and it wasn't book one [no, I don't remember what the number was (and I might not have even noticed if I don't make a small point of trying, when convenient, not to start in the middle of a series)]). I thought, after rereading the blurb, I'd at least remember the details till I got home and could write them down. Why did I want to write them down? So I can find book one, of course. It may be chloroform in print, but the main character's name was Jenna... Blake. Obviously, I have to know what that's about. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 07:43:57 EDT From: Bizarro7@aol.com To: freedom-city@blakes-7.org, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Current classic out-of-print zines on eBay Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Various issues of the following fanzines have been added to the ongoing Ashton Press online eBay auction as we continue to clear out a portion of the collection: SLAVE ORBIT STANDARD BY SEVERAL RESISTANCE FIRE & ICE B7 THE OTHER SIDE STRAIGHT BLAKES ALTERNATIVE 7 REBEL DESIRES POWERPLAY RAISING HELL THREADS THROUGH INFINITY GATEWAY TO TIME DESTINY INTERFACE HORIZON MORE NAUGHTY BITS OBLAQUE AVON CALLING THE WEB CHRONICLES ZEN & THE ART OF REBELLION JABBERWOCKY THE VOID AFLAME ISLANDS AVON INTERFACE ...and more! Check it out (if only to see the covers of these classics) at: eBay View About Me for ashton7 (http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/ashton7/) Good luck. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:32:19 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Selected episodes (Vericon) Message-ID: <074f01c023bf$a0981120$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Several people had suggested 'Star One' for this, whilst others felt that it was an episode that would benefit from having seen more of the show beforehand. Coincidentally, I'm reading 'Enterprising Women', and it turned out C B-S has something to say about how new fans are introduced to new shows, and how they reacted to 'Star One', which I thought you might find interesting. (The exchanges referred to are the one at the start where Avon mouths off about wanting it finished and, of course, 'I have always trusted you, from the very beginning.') 'Ironically, the very significance that fans find in these exchanges is so embedded in an understanding of the series to that point that prospective fans meeting 'Star One' as their first experience with the product leave it knowing they have had a meaningful encounter with series fandom, but not knowing what that meaning was supposed to be - the experience of encountering the episode is emptied of content, has not yet taken on symbolic meaning, and is experienced only as a potentially meaningful moment. Fans assume, correctly in many cases, that when they have developed the proper understanding of the series, they will fall back on the memory of their first viewing of 'Star One' as a meaningful encounter.' [p. 140.] Well, I had already seen most of B7 when I saw 'Star One', so I can't comment on whether this would have been my experience. Still, it suggests there are pros and cons of showing it: new viewers know something is going on but aren't quite sure what, whilst getting the feeling that they really want to see more. Una ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:12:53 -0400 From: "Doraleen McArthur" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Selected episodes (Vericon) Message-ID: <000501c023d3$83b62d80$44f25a0c@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> >Blake's 7 without The Way Back makes no sense to me. I don't see how one >could understand the rest of the story without it. Not to mention it being >rather good. "The Federation is a bad dictatorship. Blake was a leader in the anti-Federation movement, was brainwashed into being pro-Federation, and then when he started to regain his memories the Federation convicted him falsely of child molestation and shipped him to a penal colony." Don't get me wrong, I like it too. --Katie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:52:56 +0100 From: Tavia Chalcraft To: 'Freedom City mailing list' , 'Lysator mailing list' Subject: [B7L] Call for fiction -- further clarification Message-ID: <01C023DB.A1EC1EB0.tavia@btinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At risk of boring everyone to death on this one, I will say briefly: Thanks everyone for your massive support on this project. Keep 'em coming. In clarification of various wibbles voiced on FC, essentially, the only things I really won't accept are: -- stories whose sole purpose is to take the mick about Blake's Seven (wobbly sets...) or its characters, singly or multiply -- crossovers -- smut (as Neil so ably puts it) -- poetry or non-fiction -- stuff available on the Web Moreover, this exclusion list is _not_ because I feel that such material is morally wrong, squicksome, or indeed, something that I don't want to read myself from time to time. (After all, I read loads of novels that have absolutely nothing to do with Blake's Seven. I just don't plan on publishing them right now.) I've had lots of really lovely dark serious stuff featuring particularly Blake and Avon, and am certainly not averse to having loads more, but to balance lighter-toned pieces would also be very welcome, as would anything featuring 'the girls' ie Jenna, Cally, Dayna, Soolin, Servalan ... you remember them? And to clarify, 'mixed' also means 'gen welcome' ... Cheers folks Tavia --When the fire and the rose are one ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:52:41 +0100 From: Tavia Chalcraft To: 'Lysator mailing list' Subject: Re: [B7L] Selected episodes (Vericon) Message-ID: <01C023F4.C09DBFD0.tavia@btinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Re Una's perceptive thoughts on Star One: When it comes down to it, _if_ one is trying to make converts, then showing them a damn good episode, that makes many different people's top 10 lists, that contains all of: adventure + science fiction + angst + drama + B-A [[and hints of B/A]] + sparkling dialogue + concern for social consequences of one's actions + Avon on a particularly good hair day + a cliff-hanger ending &c&c... might just be a good thing. If it spoils the drama a bit to have missed the run-up, well, at least the new fan stands a chance of seeing the run-up, whereas if you show them an ep they hate ... Actually, wasn't I one of the people who said 'no, not Star One'...? Damn ... there goes any chance of appearing logical and consistent ... Tavia --When the fire and the rose are one ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:08:44 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: "'Lysator mailing list'" Subject: Re: [B7L] Selected episodes (Vericon) Message-ID: <00cf01c023ee$9ad12400$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tavia: > Re Una's perceptive thoughts on Star One: Well, Camille Bacon-Smith's, to be fair. > When it comes down to it, _if_ one is trying to make converts, then showing > them a damn good episode, that makes many different people's top 10 lists, > that contains all of: adventure + science fiction + angst + drama + B-A > [[and hints of B/A]] + sparkling dialogue + concern for social consequences > of one's actions + Avon on a particularly good hair day And the jacket. Don't forget the jacket. > + a cliff-hanger > ending &c&c... might just be a good thing. That's the basic idea: 'Star One' is B7 at its very best. Let 'em have it. > If it spoils the drama a bit to have missed the run-up, well, at least the > new fan stands a chance of seeing the run-up, whereas if you show them an > ep they hate ... Actually, wasn't I one of the people who said 'no, not > Star One'...? Damn ... there goes any chance of appearing logical and > consistent ... We aim to confuse. Una ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:02:33 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Call for fiction for new B7 zine Message-ID: <000801c023f6$bcd24e00$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Tavia Chalcraft > I haven't noticed a lack of submissions in the past 48 hours. Anything but. > Torrent more like. I suspect that your reputation may scare potentials off > whereas sweet little fluffy bunny rabbit Tavia ... Chuck her a carrot, someone. > Or maybe you are just a > lot more picky about what you accept than I am ?? If anything your restrictions are tighter than mine. I suspect my blanket ban on Bad Science might be to blame. Either that or it's personal. > Actually one of the > reasons for banning humour was that it appears to be 'common knowledge' > that 'that Neil bloke' likes humour, so I thought I'd try not to queer your > pitch too much. If I've got such a reputation then it's probably my own fault, since some of my material has had something of a frivolous slant. But I don't like all humour, only certain kinds. I returned part I of Soldiers of Love to Judith after listening to only half of it. I found it resolutely unfunny. If my first two zines contained a lot of humour, that's because people sent me humorous stuff. I prefer to run serious fiction. > I'm worried about getting a chorus of (something like) 'you mangy tosser, > your story xyz on FC was *** so what right have you got to lecture to us'. > But then everyone in B7 fandom is so nice, they wouldn't do that, now would > they? No, they wouldn't, you pustulous web-footed reptile. > >especially with artsy writers who are deliberately breaking the rules > > You mean like starting every other sentence with 'and' ? There are some editors who have some very firm ideas about how the English language should be used. And starting sentences with conjunctions is one of the things that can raise their hackles. Others may urge you not to gratuitously split infinitives. Such things I personally do not on insist. One thing I do tend to alter is unwitting Americanisms. These are usually 'comitted' (I mean, we're talking about some serious criminality here) by US writers who are unaware of how British usage might differ. The US writers I've tackled on this point have been unanimously happy for me to make any necessary changes, which I would only do for dialogue spoken by the series characters, not originals or in the main narrative prose. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 07:16:56 +1100 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Call for fiction for new B7 zine Message-ID: <20000922071656.A18171@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 08:32:29PM +0100, Neil Faulkner wrote: > The hardest part of editing, I find, is getting a story to finish neatly on > the end of the page. If it falls a bit short, no great problem, but if it > runs a few lines over then you can be in for a serious headache. Long live desktop publishing programs, plus the ability to chuck in your own illos, and one can usually jiggle it so that it fits. If all else fails, one can tweak the size of the font or suchlike. Kathryn Andersen (supposed to be doing illos for Staked Blake...) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- HOFSTADTER'S LAW It always takes longer than you think, even taking into account Hofstadter's Law. -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | \_.--.*/ | v | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:51:34 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Cc: Freedom City Subject: [B7L] Brian Croucher in Oliver Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Brian Croucher will be at the Marlowe Theatre, Canterbury from Tues 26 Sept to Sat 30 Sept playing Fagin in Oliver. The show is based on the musical and Brian gets to sing a couple of songs. The show is almost completely sold out; if you want to see it, Thursday matinee is your best chance unless there are any returns and there's only about 20 tickets left for that performance. box office is 0122 7787787 Judith PS. Thanks to Alan Stevens for the information. PPS. I've got a flyer for Lenin in Love and I'll get it up on the web site shortly. -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #265 **************************************