From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #62 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/62 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 62 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha" Re: [B7L] Baby Boom and Meyers-Briggs Re: [B7L] Shots fired Re: [B7L] Baby Boom and Meyers-Briggs Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha" Re: [B7L] 'Beautiful' suffering Re: [B7L] Baby Boom and Meyers-Briggs Re: [B7L] 'Beautiful' suffering Re: [B7L] Introduction Re: [B7L] Re: Neil vs Gen X'ers [B7L] Time Squad Re: [B7L] 'Beautiful' suffering Re: [B7L] Re: Neil vs Gen X'ers Re: [B7L] Neil vs GenX'ers Re: [B7L] Re: Altazine & Boomers Re: [B7L] Re: Neil vs Gen X'ers [B7L] Episode Reviews RE: [B7L] Baby Boom and Meyers-Briggs [B7L] Re: Liberator Model [B7L] [B7L] Re: b7spin: FW: b7spin: Re: Brimstone Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha" Re: [B7L] Episode Reviews ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:29:17 EST From: Prmolloy@aol.com To: AWilliams@daikin.com.au, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha" Message-ID: <4e.28abf2d.25f5df9d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>Andrew wrote: >>Either that or PD is trying to get rid of -another- broken prop.... Trish responded: >I hate to disagree with Andrew (I promise this will be the only time) but >Darrow admitted in the BBC interview last year that he had a bad habit of >breaking the guns, so much so that they had to build him a special gun Andrew replied: Actually you are agreeing with me - that's what I meant by "another broken prop". And you forgot the end of the story - the special gun got stolen! Well they wouldn't have been broken if PD didn't keep breaking them - this is a chicken and egg thing, is it not? Do you think the BBC docked Darrow everytime he broke another prop? That could have been a costly habit! Trish ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 00:16:47 EST From: VulcanXYZ@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Baby Boom and Meyers-Briggs Message-ID: <27.2a151c9.25f5eabf@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/6/00 10:29:39 PM Central Standard Time, Prmolloy@aol.com writes: << I'm not sure about Kathryn's age, but the Rand novels were published in the 1940's and 1950's, WELL before my time >> Her books may be old, but they were still being discussed in the 70's (at least at my college.) I remember being quite impressed with her at the time, but think that her espousal of selfishness would turn me off now. Yes, Avon would surely appreciate her dedication to self! Gail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 22:59:26 +0000 From: "Jason Gool" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Shots fired Message-Id: <200003070707.HAA82070@florence.pavilion.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > Actually, it brings to mind that story about how Ridge was told that there > should be lots of bodies seen in Terminal when the Liberator was destroyed, > because it was such a big ship and obviously had a huge crew.... I've never understood what was wrong with this. The Liberator was essentially a battleship so, even though it only needed a flight crew of five, you would expect it to be able to carry a large number of troops. I can't remember how many people the London carried but it was minuscule next to the Liberator. Servalan might have had ships waiting somewhere and as soon as she took control of the Liberator would have started transferring troops aboard to make her fully operational. So people falling from the ceiling when she blew up would not be so surprising, This would also explain how Servalan survived as she would have teleported to another ship. However, this all falls down due to the fact that there is no mention of any other ships. Jas. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:16:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Iain Coleman To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Baby Boom and Meyers-Briggs Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Kathryn Andersen wrote: > > > Further grist for the lyst: do you think Avon would have been an Ayn Rand > > fan? > > I'm either showing my age, my continent, or my social group here, but > who's Ayn Rand? You're showing your continent. Rand was a writer of highly opinionated philosophical tosh. She seems terribly popular among middle-class American adolescents (and hence, the net demographic), but has achieved her appropriate level of obscurity everywhere else. Her creed - Objectivism - has quite neatly been described as Russian capitalism, in the same sense that Leninism is Russian socialism. Think Nietzsche without the intelligence, subtlety and writing talent. You're not missing much. Iain ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:28:15 -0000 From: "David A McIntee" To: "Alison Page" , "lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha" Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Alison Page > > Scooby = Vila ('cos I can see / The way you shake and shiver') > Velma = Avon (can it be a coincidence that Velma backwards is... er... > Amlev.. plus she's the cleverest) > The blonde one, dammit what is her name = Jenna Daphne > Freddie = Gan (big and stupid) Blake- bad clothes sense and almost certainly gay. (well, Freddy is anyway) > Scrappy = Tarrant ('let me at 'em' - plus many people feel the series went > downhill after he joined :-) > Shaggy = Probably also Vila ('Yoiks, let's get out of here') Gan- Scooby's dad (who sometimes makes guest appearances) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 02:08:05 -0800 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Beautiful' suffering Message-ID: <38C4D504.40C29753@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit J MacQueen wrote: > A fish-slapping dance. Una can have the really big fish and knock > Neil over into the nearest body of water. That'd be worth a Polaroid or two. Ooh, yes. Though I was thinking of Una with two big fish and Neil behind the wall with the camera. I suppose to keep this on-topic I should have chosen a glove. OTOH, there's more than one duel in B7. Hm. I count three in the third series, one in each of the others. Have I missed any? Mistral -- "Who do you serve? And who do you trust?" --Galen, 'Crusade' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 03:31:31 -0800 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Baby Boom and Meyers-Briggs Message-ID: <38C4E892.2E745A4A@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Trish wrote: > As a recent addition to this list (I crept on quietly without much > introduction) I'm fascinated by the discussions and curious about the MBTI > analysis. Is the group really made up of INTJs and how do you know that? What we really know is that INTJs and INTPs like to talk Myers-Briggs. But there's certainly a higher proportion of us here than in the general population, among the posters, anyway. > I'm a borderline INTJ/INTP No wonder you like Avon :) If you haven't done so, you might like to check out the discussion of B7 character types on Sue Clerc's site at: http://members.xoom.com/sjcinct/mbb7.html That discussion is from February of 1998. Last year's discussion, which is mostly the Avon: P or J? debate, and discussion of the types of lystmembers, can be found in the lysator archives beginning on February 22, 1999. > Further grist for the lyst: do you think Avon would have been an Ayn Rand fan? Very probably. Mistral INTP/j (and finally happy about it, thanks to the lyst) -- "We all have something to hide, and we all have something to tell; we all have a secret name; we all have a secret question-- one question that unlocks our heart."--Galen, 'Crusade' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 02:23:05 -0800 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Beautiful' suffering Message-ID: <38C4D888.BB064DCE@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil Faulkner wrote: > > Well, it certainly couldn't have anything to do with the rather > > wonderful Kerr Avon Tribute page. > > I'm glad you think so. I'd hate to think anyone reading it might suspect I > had a downer on *Avon himself*. Ah, yes. Misanthropes are only obligated to dislike real people. I can just see Avon sitting alone, watching Monty Python and Eastenders and feeling a real sense of connectedness. > > Right, then, we'll have day old mackerel at the Tower of London. > > Unfortunately, I haven't enough air miles to attend. Why don't > > you e-mail me the Polaroids? > > You utter bounder! Are you not aware that I am a strict vegetarian? That's what makes it fun. > Do you > have no sense of pity for innocent fish newly hatched with but 24 hours of > life to their name? Trust you to assume the worst of me. I meant mackerel dead for 24 hours, preferably of natural causes after a long life. > There's nothing else for it, I'm going to have to go > for you with a bunch of daffodils. So take that, you fiend! And that! And > ... Villain! I must protest! Daffodils are people, too. Mistral -- "In a very real sense, we all feed on death."--Mr. Spock, vegetarian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 04:06:38 PST From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction Message-ID: <20000307120638.39318.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed After I wrote: High Preistess Penny weighed in: Yes, they *are* tight on Travis (True or not, and no I'm not getting involved in the Holy Wars) but Penny, you have to admit that they're not nearly as interestingly filled out and - time to move Lysts, methinks. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:58:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Iain Coleman To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Neil vs Gen X'ers Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, Una McCormack wrote: > Iain wrote: > > > Or am I just a grumpy old cunt? > > I don't see why the two are mutually exclusive. Thank you. That makes it all clear. Iain ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:40:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List cc: Freedom City Subject: [B7L] Time Squad Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Time Squad is 2.45 on BBC 2 on Saturday Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:13:02 -0000 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Beautiful' suffering Message-ID: <001101bf8868$76f04f60$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joanne wrote: > A fish-slapping dance. Una can have the really big fish and knock > Neil over into the nearest body of water. That'd be worth a Polaroid or two. I would remind you that it is the taller person who holds the biggest fish, so in any such contest between Una and I, she gets to draw the short straw (and the short fish). Twixt me and Mistral things might be different, if she happens to be over 5'7". Of course, Una could send Iain along in her place, in which case my last memory would be of a ginormous wet scaley thing swinging down from out of the clouds. Neil "I am not a man, I am a free number." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 19:06:58 -0000 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Neil vs Gen X'ers Message-ID: <001501bf8868$7cfe9a60$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nina wrote: > << I was born in '63. And I belong to the Blank Generation ("and I can take > or > leave it each time, whooo-eee-oooooo") >> > > That is *such* a great song! Wow! Someone else who actually knows it. Whatever next? Someone telling me where I can find Red Gum on CD? Neil "I am not a man, I am a free number." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:28:41 -0000 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Neil vs GenX'ers Message-ID: <001201bf8868$7964f8e0$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pat P wrote: > Neil wrote: > >"More than one of him and you might have a shaky flight (1,1)" > >"I leave Israel, get a head start, and turn into a slave (6)" > >"Did Sula use him as an empty pencil? (3)" > > I think Neil is one of them Andromedean slimemold fellows. > He's speaking their language. Andrew has already proved that they are quite decipherable, albeit only by deciphering the last one. > > >Having finally joined it, mainly out of curiosity, I certainly noticed a > >repetition of the word 'Bailey'. It seems like there's hordes of them. > >Bit of a naff list, really, innit? > > Or is this Ferengi? Say wot? Bailey? naff? There seem to be at least three persons by the name of Bailey contributing to the onelist, including Michael B who 'found' it (or did he mean 'founded') in the first place. 'Naff' is a British colloquialism that broadly translates as 'not terribly good'. Learn summat new every day, don't you:) Neil "I am not a man, I am a free number." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:40:47 -0000 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Altazine & Boomers Message-ID: <001401bf8868$7b7c8e40$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Don't know Altazine, but sounds like I'd have enjoyed it (or would if > it's still around...). I fall into the introvert category but rarely > have the time to put down a long post. I'm lucky to string a few > sentences before my munchkin comes in and requires assistance with > something. But I really do enjoy reading everyone's thoughts and > processes. AltaZine is no more. It has ceased to be. A sample of the more serious (ie; pretentious) content can be found in the Essays sections of Judith P's website. A taste of its somewhat less serious side can be found on certain pages of my own site, as the kind of thing that might have made it into AZ if I'd had a PC at the time (the Blair's 7 idea goes back a long long way, to before he even got elected). I might at some time do webpages for Aunty Anna's Agony Column and Del Tarrant's Deep Space Cookbook, and I think the article on 'Moon Discs as Player Characters in the Horizon B7 Role-Playing Game' could do with a wider airing. Neil "I am not a man, I am a free number." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:35:35 -0000 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Neil vs Gen X'ers Message-ID: <001301bf8868$7a792800$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harriet wrote: > Mistral and Julia commented: > >> Why would they know about the connect rates in other > >>countries or alternate e-mail clients if nobody tells them? > > > >People do tell them, and they still don't get it... > > I used to assume it was a problem with Americans who have free local calls, > but I'm now on a soccer list where I know the vast majority of posters are > in the UK, and they're so bad about quoting the entire correspondence, > including lengthy attachments repeating the same message, that it's almost > driven me to unsubscribe. Maybe it's just the generation of those who are > shameless with phone bills. I experience the same problem with the UK Birding list. Fortunately it only generates a handful of posts a day, quite often none at all (and even then people have announced their departure because their inbox was getting flooded!). My call for plain text only with no attachments seems to have been taken up by the new list manager. At least we had a really wicked flame war last month on how to pronounce 'Chough' obB7 ... er ... so, how do you *really* pronounce 'Cevedic'? Neil "I am not a man, I am a free number." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 15:58:12 -0500 From: Michael Bailey To: "Blake's 7 Mailing List" , "Blake's 7 Mailing List" Subject: [B7L] Episode Reviews Message-ID: <38C56D63.8FE17414@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Everyone! :) I have recently been working on my new site at: http://www.blakes-7.homepage.com but due to lack of time I still have several missing pages. I have been trying to work up a page for episode reviews I wanted some professional opinions (yours), so I was hoping if some of you could help me by adding one. For more information goto: http://www.blakes-7.homepage.com/rev-info.htm or if this doesn't help, feel free to e-mail me. I think it would be so interresting and awesome because of all of the many different opinions. Thanks! Mike __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 21:56:57 +0100 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: Lysator Subject: RE: [B7L] Baby Boom and Meyers-Briggs Message-ID: <39DCDDFD014ED21185C300104BB3F99FCA46D2@NL-ARN-MAIL01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kathryn wrote: > We don't actually know. What we do actually know is that the last > time Meyers-Brigs was majorly discussed, of the self-selected > sub-group of Lyst members who took the test and told us their > classification, a large proportion appeared to be INTJ or INTP. > There were a few INFs too. Lovely Tramila was a notable exception as > our token bouncy extrovert, and I believe it was she that made the > comparison about length of postings and extrovertness, comparing the > Lyst with one of the other lists she was on. Hmf, I go into lurkdom for just a little while (ok, more than a month), and already I'm forgotten. And me being the one person on the lyst with the same classification as Travis, too. Maybe it's time to get those red robes out of the closet and start threatening people with the comfy chair again. Penny, promise you won't call me off this time? Jacqueline ISTJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 16:11:19 -0500 From: Michael Bailey To: "Blake's 7 Mailing List" Subject: [B7L] Re: Liberator Model Message-ID: <38C57075.6FDB2BAF@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Who was it that offered selling a model of the Liberator? I missed the last one on eBay and I feel really bad. Does anyone know? I will gladly pay up. 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------=_NextPart_000_0034_01BF887F.65C50CA0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 06:42:16 +1100 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: [B7L] Re: b7spin: FW: b7spin: Re: Brimstone Message-ID: <20000308064216.A29112@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Tue, Mar 07, 2000 at 12:41:34PM -0000, Louise Rutter wrote: > > > Una wrote re Buffy: > > >The chaps in this house watch it for the babes *and* the wit. I just watch > >it for the wit. I think I'm being ripped off. > > Ah, but those of us who developed a thing for Tony Head when he was > in VR5 can still spot the sex appeal throught the Giles persona.... Or the angst-appeal. (-8 -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 19:20:03 -0700 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha" Message-ID: <20000307.192048.-220711.0.Rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:28:15 -0000 "David A McIntee" > > Freddie = Gan (big and stupid) > > Blake- bad clothes sense and almost certainly gay. (well, Freddy is > anyway) Freddy? The guy who always sent Shaggy, Scooby, and Velma off to investigate whilst he and Daphne went off by themselves? That Freddy? Kind of makes me think of Avon and Vila's observation in Gambit, that Blake would send them down to the deadly messes but, if it's a party planet, suddenly Jenna and Cally are no longer the best people to operate the teleport. Actually, I think Avon had more incommon with the villains on Scooby - the overly thought out plans always being messed up by people whose intellect he didn't admire.... Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 23:46:26 -0500 From: Meredith Dixon To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Episode Reviews Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I have been trying to work up a page for episode reviews I wanted some >professional opinions (yours), so I was hoping if some of you could help me by >adding one. I'll ask you the same question you were asked about your mailing list (which I haven't, by the way, yet seen you answer): What's special about your new website, as opposed to all the other B7 websites out there, that would make me, or anyone else but you, *want* to write stuff especially for it? -- Meredith Dixon Check out *Raven Days*, for victims and survivors of bullying. And for those who want to help. http://www.pobox.com/~dixonm/raven.html -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #62 *************************************