From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #68 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/68 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 68 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Episode Reviews Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Re: [B7L] Re: First Impressions: "Time Squad" [B7L] Planet of Death review Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Re: [B7L] Darkheart website [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" [B7L] Re: First Impressions: "Time Squad" [B7L] Re: First Impressions: "Time Squad" Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" [B7L] Re: complexity of character Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Re: [B7L] Re: complexity of character [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" [B7L] Time Squad Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Re: [B7L] Darkheart website Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Re: [B7L] Crossword clues Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Re: [B7L] Re: complexity of character Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Re: [B7L] complexity of character Re: [B7L] complexity of character Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" [B7L] Free the free electron campaign. Re: [B7L] Episode Reviews Re: [B7L] Episode Reviews Re: [B7L] Episode Reviews Re: [B7L] Episode Reviews ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:34:12 -0700 From: Penny Dreadful To: B7 Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Episode Reviews Message-Id: <4.1.20000313001237.009f2500@mail.powersurfr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:17 PM 10/03/00 -0800, Pat Patera wrote: >Oh Penny, please do this for a real ep and add it to your site. You mean "Doomorama" *isn't* a real episode? Dang, I must be getting B7 confused with "G vs E" again. >Better still, do it for *all* the eps. I would, but I'm afraid my impersonation of an Ardent Avon-Admirer might start wearing a bit thin after several dozen episodes. "So here we are at 'Warlord', and I'll be darned if Avon's costume don't *still* make him looked like a -- you know, suddenly I'm a mite perplexed as to why I was so enamoured of this fellow in the first place..." But I do, *seriously* (imagine that!), think that if Mr. Bailey still wants episode reviews for his site, that kind of "He Said/She Said/(It Said)" kind of setup would be an interesting take on the concept. For real, though -- and by that I mean with several people who *aren't* just different facets of my personality. Specialization of monomania is one of the few things that separates us from the animals you know (no offense, Una). -- For A Dread Time, Call Penny: http://members.tripod.com/~Penny_Dreadful/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:38:24 -0700 From: Penny Dreadful To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Message-Id: <4.1.20000313003657.009f2100@mail.powersurfr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:02 PM 13/03/00 -0500, J MacQueen wrote: >Tarrant in a loincloth = Tarzan. "Me Tarrant, you Soolin." Soolin draws gun. >The End. I see "The Blue Lagoon, Part II: The Post-Pubescent Years". -- For A Dread Time, Call Penny: http://members.tripod.com/~Penny_Dreadful/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:57:13 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: First Impressions: "Time Squad" Message-ID: In message <20000312220531.91019.qmail@hotmail.com>, J MacQueen writes >(Or stop zine editing, if it causes typos like that one!) Don't you mean "keep editing" ? The zine proof is printing out even as I type, so it looks like it will be ready in time for Neutral Zone - assuming I can get at the copier. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:02:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List cc: Freedom City Subject: [B7L] Planet of Death review Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Planet of Death is number 5 in the Soldiers of Love series. It starts on a high point with the introduction of the character of Gladrag Sausage (who reminds me irresistably of David Walsh). Gladrag and Hywel (Gareth's character) are hilarious and as camp as can be. The jokes are getting even smuttier if that is possible and some of them hit such esoteric levels of smut that even I wouldn't have got them a few years ago. The present of Gamak (Mark Thompson) as the perennial straight man (in both senses of the word) is useful as his bemusement at some of the conversations flying around him adds an extra level of entertainment if you get the references and someone to sympathise with if you don't. A favourite scene with all my family was the big race - a parody of the pod race in Star Wars - our heroes need a large sum of money to get their space ship fixed. The only way to get it is by entering the race. What do Mydas (Michael Keating), Turnidus (Nicholas Courtney) and Panakool get to enter the race with? Well I won't spoil the joke, but trust me, it's funny (and clean!). Other parts of the plot are also developing. We already know the convoluted connections between some of the characters - eg. the villain, played again with relish and melodrama by Gareth, is the nephew of Hywel (also played by Gareth Thomas). Another relationship is revealed - one that made me laugh out loud. We also find the skeleton in the closet of Mydas Mydasson. Mrs Blubber, a TV presenter who is defiantly overweight and cheerfully downs half a dozen chocolate oranges with a clean conscience has developed from a character I had no interest in, to one I really like. She's played by Alison Taffs who plays three different characters with ease. Mark Thompson manages five and they all sound completely different (apart from the announcer who is such a small part that he doesn't really count). I never find the multiple parts a problem in this series, apart from one point in this CD where a bad edit cut straight from a scene with Violet to one with Mrs Blubber and there the use of the same actress was briefly confusing. In fact, several scene changes could have been better cued. Jan Chappell is still with us as Sharliken, the giant alien frog, and is just as nasty and evil as before. She gets to kill a character. In fact several people do. This CD isn't called Planet of Death for nothing. We actually started keeping a body count. One character dies in a way that truely defines audio drama. You could *never* kill a character this way on TV. It wouldn't get past the censors. I'm not sure you could do it in an 18 certificate movie even. Possibly with the use of special effects, but would you really want to see it? On audio? Well my eldest son gave the biggest laugh of the whole CD, though I don't think my younger son was quite so happy. It was pretty gruesome. (I made sure I was there when Henry heard it for the first time. I didn't want him to hear that scene alone and I wanted to be able to switch off fast if it upset him. In fact it was a far less gruesome death that made the greatest impact on him.) Funnily enough, this is the first CD in the series that Henry (age 12) hasn't loved to bits. The reason was the death count. There were just too many deaths for him. Having said that, most of the deaths were of characters that we were happy to see die and one we practically cheered as he met his demise. The problem was that we lost a character we liked. Only a minor character - only introduced in this CD - but we liked him. When we listened to it the second time, Henry stopped at track 10. He said all the funny bits were before that and all the deaths came afterwards. The CD ends with a real cliffhanger. It's a bit like the end of B7 in fact. Who will survive to the next CD? Personally, of the four characters caught in the final shootout, there are two whom I wouldn't really miss, but me Henry and Kelvin are all agreed as to which two we want to survive. So what's it all like overall? Well, the B-movie atmosphere is as strong as ever, the puns come in strings, and Gareth is a scream. I don't like this one as much as number 4, but then number 4 was my absolute favourite to date. If you're offended by jokes about big cocks and back passages, then don't buy it. If you're offended by homosexuality, definitely don't buy it. If you like bad puns, smutty jokes and a plot that is actually surprisingly complex under all the spoofs, then you'll probably enjoy it. The usual offer applies. The CD costs 10 pounds, as do all the earlier ones in the series (except number 1 which is only 9 pounds). If you haven't tried the series before and aren't sure if you'll like it, buy one from me and I'll guarantee to return your money (minus a quid for handling) if you return the CD. Money goes to Judith Proctor, 28 Diprose Rd, Corfe Mullen, Wimborne, Dorset, BH21 3QY for overseas prices, check my website. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:47:20 -0000 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Message-ID: <148f01bf8cc8$c3f897e0$0d01a8c0@hedge> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joanne: > >From: "Una McCormack" > >and this is, without a single doubt, Avon's very worst costume. > > No, no, no and no. Deathwatch. Deathwatch all the way. And may I remind you, > Una, that it's a very bad idea to remind me of that costume on a Monday > morning - completely spoils the day ahead, and has a depressing effect upon > the week. Oh no, the Time Squad costume is beautiful by comparison. Oh dear, > my head! Now, now - have a little lie down. The one with the shoulder pads? It's not that bad. The 'Time Squad' one looks like he's been rolling in soil. Una ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:48:58 -0000 From: "Una McCormack" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Darkheart website Message-ID: <149f01bf8cc8$fbee4eb0$0d01a8c0@hedge> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil: > And Una McCormack - her shortness of stature, her regular visits to New > Zealand, her fondness for piranhas. Are these mere coincidence, or has she > *sold her mortal soul to the Forces of Darkness?* Was this ever in doubt? I've even started liking 'Star Trek'. Una ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 02:14:21 PST From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Message-ID: <20000313101421.37435.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Ariana wrote: He tends to (and not just distress calls - just about any lame dog that strays across his path. It's that great big bleeding heart that irritates Avon. Also one of the things he shares with Avon is insatiable curiosity - I don’t think he *can* pass these things up. Not the Very First Flight Deck Fight!! I love the Very First Flight Deck Fight, all quiet and venomous except for that one "Enough!". Actually better than the shouting matches ('and the voices are gorgeous - acid and steel). I also love Time Squad (can anyone tell?) S'wonderful stuff for A-B fans - right from the start, all those lovely complicated issues of trust, control, manipulation, etc etc get nice and tangled. Love this scene and *purely* for Avon, I go happily cross-eyed trying to watch his hands and face at the same time. And it'd be a total dud if it weren't for the already powerful undercurrents there. They do have a veeerrry touchy-feely relationship in the 1st season (it cools off a bit in 2nd) and no, I don't think it looks all that platonic either, but I'm not sure. He does tend to push her away, not usually all that kindly. My own favourite line (and a candidate for absolute favourite in the whole 1st series) is Blake's "then you'll have to" after Avon says Zen won't bring them back. Not the words, but the *way* he says them...yum. Given everything that's happened, the fight, the way he deliberately risked alienating Avon, the possibility that Jenna has told him that Avon wanted to ditch him (and now has the picture-perfect chance), the unexpected loop Zen has thrown in…Blake has to realise this is to ironic for words. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 02:13:00 PST From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: First Impressions: "Time Squad" Message-ID: <20000313101300.41061.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Welcome back, Judith! As a fellow A-B fan, I missed you heaps… Absolutely. In the computer room in Spacefall, when Blake's given his passionate speech about *why* he's heading back into the fight, one would *expect* someone like Avon to draw back in bored distaste or wary platitudes - "whatever you want, you lunatic, I'm not arguing, go ahead and bon voyage…" But no, he's straight into his first flight of illogically trying to make the lunatic see sense, "Wake up, Blake!" He's already gotten interested in the man's mind, even while he's horrified by what he's hearing. But also IMO there's the fact that this True Believer - this idealistic revolutionary - is canny, ruthless, and disconcertingly pragmatic. He talks like a starry-eyed idealist one minute, then a hardened fighter and politician the next - mixing bleeding heart humanism and ice-cold calculation with barely time to draw breath. Very hard to keep up with... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 02:19:17 PST From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: First Impressions: "Time Squad" Message-ID: <20000313101917.12944.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed After Julia wrote: Joanne scolded: But why???? I rather liked the mental picture meself… And after Una wrote: Joanne again: - and this time I'm with *you* all the way. Jaw-droppingly ghastly (the almost permanent stunned-or-at-least-sedated mullett expression on his face through the whole episode does not help either. This is *not* Avon's finest hour.) Think of him in Julia's slivered leather instead. Feeling better now? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 02:21:11 PST From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Message-ID: <20000313102111.98948.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Carol wrote: And of course, you know that Carol is as totally impartial and as objective as - as - well, as me!!! The mental picture of all of Our Heroes in that amount of clothing is - errr - interesting (I kinda think Vila would be cute), till I got to Jarriere. Oh dear, *my* head! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 06:42:04 -0500 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] Re: complexity of character Message-ID: <200003130642_MC2-9CE0-B6FB@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Una replied to Joanne: >> Wimsey=Avon, but only because of the nose. And the aristocratic >>behaviour. And the hating things to remain unexplained. > >No, no! Wimsey is what Vila would have been if he'd been born, er, the >second son of an aristocratic English family at the end of the 19th century. So who do I get to marry? Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 07:20:01 EST From: Mac4781@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Message-ID: <64.f61be9.25fe36f1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From Jo Ann and Penny: > >Tarrant in a loincloth = Tarzan. "Me Tarrant, you Soolin." Soolin draws gun. > > I see "The Blue Lagoon, Part II: The Post-Pubescent Years". Tarzan... (a dead Tarzan/Tarrant no less!).... What's his mug from Blue Lagoon... Talk about putting a damper on drool images... Thanks, ladies, for sparing my keyboard further damage. Friends like you are hard to find. Carol Mc P.S. Note to Commander Fifi: remember that experiment we were discussing. The one with the thumb clamps and the barbeque sauce. I've got two subjects lined up for a trial run. Names will be sent via the secure channel. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:28:08 -0000 From: "Una McCormack" To: "lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: complexity of character Message-ID: <152701bf8ce7$a63999b0$0d01a8c0@hedge> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harriet: > Una replied to Joanne: > >> Wimsey=Avon, but only because of the nose. And the aristocratic > >>behaviour. And the hating things to remain unexplained. > > > >No, no! Wimsey is what Vila would have been if he'd been born, er, the > >second son of an aristocratic English family at the end of the 19th > century. > > So who do I get to marry? Which one is more likely to speak in Latin epigrams? Una ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:02:38 +0000 From: Murray Smith To: Lysator Subject: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ariana, Again, a very nice analysis. >This episode is also when we get to meet Cally for the first time. I gather >from my boyfriend's excitement at her appearance that she was popular with >boys his age at the time (he was about 12 when B7 first aired). I'll admit >that my man's enthusiasm makes it difficult to be impartial, but I think I'm >going to like Cally. She looks intelligent and it seems her recklessness and >combat abilities will complement Blake's team quite nicely. I can confirm your remark about Cally being popular with boys. Like your boyfriend, I had a big crush on her, although I was only 9 when the episode came out. In 1998, I had the opportunity to mention this to Jan, who replied that the 'intelligent boys' liked her character. Character point: At this stage, the crew are only starting to work together and are making mistakes that would not happen later on in the series. This is due to not knowing their respective strengths and weaknesses. For example, it is only when inside the communications base that Vila reveals that he is a genius with locks. If this had been known earlier, I'm sure that Blake would have set him to work unlocking the locked compartment in the space projectile. Technical point: Why did the hold not have a primitive device called a 'security camera'? If it had, the crew would be able to keep an eye on the projectile from the flight deck, and notice the attempts to tap into _Liberator's_ power supply. Murray ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 100 16:52:16 +0100 (CET) From: "Jeroen J. Kwast" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Time Squad Message-Id: <200003131552.QAA07668@pampus.gns.getronics.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Murray, If they had a security camera in the hold .... It would have been a very short episode!!! :) Jeroen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 18:19:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon 13 Mar, Murray Smith wrote: > > Technical point: Why did the hold not have a primitive device called a > 'security camera'? If it had, the crew would be able to keep an eye on the > projectile from the flight deck, and notice the attempts to tap into > _Liberator's_ power supply. Or did it have one and they'd simply not yet figured out how to use it yet? Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 20:06:44 -0000 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Message-ID: <000601bf8d20$a3214640$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ariana wrote > This episode is also when we get to meet Cally for the first time. >She looks intelligent and it seems her recklessness and > combat abilities will complement Blake's team quite nicely. Well they might have done if she'd kept them up:) 'Recklessness and combat abilities' sound more like Tarrant than Cally.. > Quite a lot was made of Avon's achievement in bringing the pod on board the > Liberator. Last week, he was ready to > leave Blake on Cygnus Alpha, but this week, he seems more inclined to make a > considerable effort for Blake's sake. He didn't even protest at the idea of > changing their course to save some unknown aliens in the first place. Why assume that he went to all that effort for Blake? Jenna was there too, remember. Though I think the real reason is that if he fouls up here, Blake and Jenna are dead. Leaving Blake behind on Cygnus Alpha wouldn't necessarily have killed him (and Avon had no real idea what it was like down there anyway - 'harsh but survivable' would be something like his assessment of the place). I don't attach any real significance to either Blake or Jenna being aboard the capsule - Avon would have done the same for any of the crew. > BLAKE: He's taking his time. > JENNA: It's a delicate maneuver. He'll get there. > BLAKE: I'm breathless with anticipation. > JENNA (laughs) > > [[She *must* be going out with him!]] Nah. If she was, the dialogue would have been: BLAKE: He's taking his time. JENNA: It's a delicate maneuver. He'll get there. BLAKE: Well, just in case he doesn't, do you want to ... you know? JENNA: Erm ... yeah, alright. Neil "I am not a man, I am a free number." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:41:13 -0000 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Darkheart website Message-ID: <01ce01bf8d29$14e523c0$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > And Una McCormack - her shortness of stature, her regular visits to New > > Zealand, her fondness for piranhas. Are these mere coincidence, or has > she > > *sold her mortal soul to the Forces of Darkness?* > > Was this ever in doubt? I've even started liking 'Star Trek'. So, you admit it - you *are* a servant of the Shuffling Ones! Oh my ghod, there's something at the door... Neil "I am not a man, I am a free number." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:59:50 -0000 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Message-ID: <01d001bf8d29$19f7a9a0$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Una wrote: > The one with the shoulder pads? It's not that bad. The 'Time Squad' one > looks like he's been rolling in soil. Do not think you can deceive me in such a facile manner, dissembling agent of the web-footed waddlers. Soil? Hah! Looks more like *guano* to me. Neil "I am not a man, I am a free number." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:05:31 -0000 From: "Ariana" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Message-ID: <01f301bf8d29$8601be60$99e407c3@ariana> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > really was a good selection): the bit where Vila practically shoves Avon > aside calling him 'Fingers' and telling him 'computers are yours, doors are > mine.' And Avon lets him get away with it, too! That's a good one, too. Avon was probably thinking "oh, get on with it, then". :) Ariana http://www.alpha.ndirect.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:03:37 -0000 From: "Ariana" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Message-ID: <01f201bf8d29$85491cc0$99e407c3@ariana> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Oh, no you don't, not after tantalising us like that - The Other List is > that way -> Lots of discussion about episodes I haven't seen yet there, so I'm a bit loath to jump in yet. Still, I can list the couple of scenes that made me think what if: - The dirty look Avon gave Jenna. - The once-over-with-smile Cally gave Avon. Nothing offensive to non-shippers I hope. (I'm assuming everyone knows the term "shipper", even though I believe it's an X-Files term) Ariana http://www.alpha.ndirect.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:11:31 -0000 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Crossword clues Message-ID: <01d101bf8d29$1b82dd80$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mistral wroteL> > 'A famous key' refers to the Bogart/Bacall movie Key Largo. > > > > So famous I hav never herd of it (Shut up at the back there, Molesworth I). > > Really? Judging by the number of times it shows up in our pop culture, > it's Bogart's next most widely known movie after Casablanca. We even > have a pop song about it. Some people have never seen a single Bogart movie. Call it Compiler's Bane, the the problem of assessing just how much you can expect other people to know. > > > Biologist's failure leads to complaints continuing (7). > > > > Nope, I'm gonna have to give up on that one. I suspect there's an Og in it > > somewhere, though. > > No Og. Franton; F + rant on. Probably the one biologist in the entire series I overlooked:) Okay, "Geneticist - or artistic Londoner? (6)" Neil "I am not a man, I am a free number." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:43:47 -0000 From: "Una McCormack" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Message-ID: <16c201bf8d35$38f8b630$0d01a8c0@hedge> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ariana wrote: > Nothing offensive to non-shippers I hope. (I'm assuming everyone knows the > term "shipper", even though I believe it's an X-Files term) Actually, no, altho' I've come across it twice in the past week now. Someone want to explain? Una ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:47:53 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Message-ID: <20000313214753.74255.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Una McCormack" >Now, now - have a little lie down. Overnight. I feel a bit better now >The one with the shoulder pads? It's not that bad. >The 'Time Squad' one looks like he's been rolling in soil. Hush, Una! Oh no, you've caught Julia's attention - between that and slivered leather, well, you know how her mind works! Regards Joanne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:51:19 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Message-ID: <20000313215119.58643.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Sally Manton" >The mental picture of all of Our Heroes in that amount of clothing is - >errr >- interesting (I kinda think Vila would be cute), till I got to Jarriere. >Oh >dear, *my* head! There, there Sally. I'll just go and get a damp cloth for your forehead, just the thing for fevered imaginings. Regards Joanne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:58:22 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: complexity of character Message-ID: <20000314055822.7037.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Una McCormack" > > So who do I get to marry? >Which one is more likely to speak in Latin epigrams? Neither, really. A shame, isn't it? Regards Joanne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:27:02 -0000 From: "Alison Page" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Message-ID: <001401bf8d40$31a0ac20$ca8edec2@pre-installedco> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ariana, Una >> Nothing offensive to non-shippers I hope. (I'm assuming everyone knows the >> term "shipper", even though I believe it's an X-Files term) > >Actually, no, altho' I've come across it twice in the past week now. Someone >want to explain? > 'Explain'? You know I can't resist. Ship as in Relation-ship as in 'yes they do do it' Shippers are people who want to see the tension and ambiguity of an unconsummated on-screen m/f (*)relationship collapse into romance. AFAIK the word was first used for Mulder/Scully, though the idea has surely been around for ages. Personally it tends to get on my wick. Like when O'Connell and Fleischmann got it on in Northern Exposure - that just signalled that the whole show was washed up. But for B7 it feels different; because the 'will-they-won't-they' wasn't set up as a big issue, I don't think you really get B7 'shippers' as such. Any of the relationships could include sex, without really being very romantic. Alison (*) is it always m/f? the examples I know are ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:56:44 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Message-ID: In message <20000313214753.74255.qmail@hotmail.com>, J MacQueen writes > > >>From: "Una McCormack" > >>The 'Time Squad' one looks like he's been rolling in soil. > >Hush, Una! Oh no, you've caught Julia's attention - between that and >slivered leather, well, you know how her mind works! Especially after another round of proof-reading. I hadn't actually read most of Spacerebels of Gor until this lunchtime. Oh my. Actually, it's Blake who looks as if he's been rolling in soil, or at least chalk - there's a lovely chalk bootprint on his chest to prove that Cally really did kick him during the fight. Yes, I did have thoughts more suitable for The Other List at that point... -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:24:29 -0000 From: "Andrew Ellis" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] complexity of character Message-ID: <04d001bf8d43$b2d9b2c0$f143063e@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry for the delay in responding, just back from the other side of the pond. You guys have been busy ! Alison was talking about two dimensional characters....... > >Avon clever/selfish/ruthless (one dimension) but vulnerable and repeatedly >self-sacrificing (second dimension) >Blake noble/charismatic but violent and bonkers >Vila childish/cowardly but capable and clever >Cally warrior / pacifist >Jenna bimbo / ruthless professional > Whilst I agree with the principle, and the distillations seem (at first glance) reasonable, it just seems to me (from this list of traits only) that the entire crew is 100% schizophrenic. selfish vrs altruistic charismatic vrs violent childish vrs clever warrior vrs pacifist bimbo vrs ruthless What we actually have (in my opinion) is a recipe for characters with a lot of internal strife, with the simple 2D design rules allowing adaptable responses and fluctuating relationships. Basically it makes them human, not robots. Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:38:45 -0000 From: "Andrew Ellis" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] complexity of character Message-ID: <04d101bf8d43$b6f07380$f143063e@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ellynne G. >I also have to admit a writing weakness of mine. I'm the kind of person >who watches Mystery Science Theater and finds myself making plot notes. >Sure, these are some of the worst films ever made - but part of me starts >thinking something was a good idea, they should have done something with >it; or this is an interesting situation, where could it have gone? or, if >there was a nine foot caveman/pseudo-giant wandering along the roadside, >what would be a logical explanation for his being there and being the >last of his kind? Giant grasshoppers, OTOH, should meet giant Raid cans >five minutes after they're discovered, and that should be that. Oh on the contrary. If everybody took inspiration from the same, so called quality, sources, things would be pretty boring. The best writers (professional and fan) draw experience from their whole life, and borrow idea's from numerous sources. The biggest weakness would be to be a writer, think "thats a good idea", and then dismiss it because of where the idea originated. Ellynne. Just to avoid possible future confusion. I intended this as a compliment. Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:37:28 -0000 From: "Andrew Ellis" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Message-ID: <04d201bf8d43$ba6a09e0$f143063e@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Una McCormack >Ariana wrote: >> Cally's appearance was suitably dramatic, too. I must say I liked Blake's >> "What the--" exclamation as she kicked him down the gravel pit. A very human >> reaction. I did think Blake outwitted Cally a bit too easily when he got her >> gun away from her. > >Cally's really disconcerting in this first scene; her not talking and moving >very suddenly are really unnerving. But tricking her with the old 'look in a >different direction' trick is slightly irritating. > Why ? After all, Cally can't read minds, she can just transmit her thoughts (and be taken over by aliens). Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:23:42 -0000 From: "Andrew Ellis" To: "B7 Lysator" Subject: [B7L] Free the free electron campaign. Message-ID: <04d501bf8d43$d01dc380$f143063e@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Pat Patera >Since 'no electrons were harmed in the production of this page' what's >the harm; waste of what? > Say's who ? Imagine you are fluttering about nicely in your little house with your partner (bound electron). Would you like your temperature raising to several hundred degrees. Would you like to be accelerated from that condition to the speed of light. Would you like to be smashed into a glass screen. Would you like all this to be done to you in order to allow a few photons to emerge from a screen, so that tens of people could read drivel like this. No electrons harmed indeed. You'll be saying that neutrons actually like bursting across space to disrupt their fellow nucleons next. Electrons have feelings too. FFEC. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:55:20 -0000 From: "Andrew Ellis" To: "B7 List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Episode Reviews Message-ID: <04d301bf8d43$bbfb5840$f143063e@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I do think that Neil is trying in his own way to encourage you to >excellence. It can be an eye-opener to new fans like you and me >to realize that many folk have a twenty-year head start on us and >a lot of the more obvious (logical) things have been done. You can't >let that stop you but you have to be informed by it. The thing that >will make a valuable contribution to fandom is your uniqueness. >What happens to B7 when it goes through Michael Bailey's head >and comes out the other side? Show us that. > However, just because something has been done before it does not mean that it is correct. It just means that you need to take your time before you post something new. And I know I am taking my time on preparing the case for why the Federation was NOT evil, because when I originally floated the possibility it ran contrary to 20 years of "established wisdom" tainted by off screen statements by authors/directors/actors. (Please, don't take offence at "tainted", I just can't think of the correct word). I was going to open a new, richly hyperlinked, site just for this piece of work, but perhaps Michael would like to include it on his site instead (when its finished !). Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:22:52 -0000 From: "Andrew Ellis" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Episode Reviews Message-ID: <04d401bf8d43$ce728480$f143063e@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I don't want to quash your enthusiasm for B7 or for fandom (and I don't >think anyone can deny you have the enthusiasm!), but I think your energies >are being needlessly diverted into projects that - in their present form - >lack the uniquely personal focus and direction that would make them a >positive contribution to B7 fandom on the Net. > >Neil But Neil, by going through these "basic" things for yourself, you learn. When you are forced to write it down, you realise that you have missed things. When you re-interpret things, you come up with slight differences. And anyway, those excellent people who's WEB sites you indicated quite simply ENJOYED putting it all together. Please don't deny people the same pleasure of doing this for themselves. This is not scientific research, it's not "bad form" to repeat somebody else's work (although that does actually happen quite a lot in science). OK, so by just duplicating the old material, your not going to generate millions of hits from people who have already seen it all before. But a fresh approach is always welcome. There are a multitude of books, websites, videos, lecture courses on any subject you care to mention, and each work adds value to somebody somewhere. The competition also serves to keep the authors on their toes and prevents complacency, many an established authority has been displaced when newcomers were ignored or belittled. There is one significant difference however with web based publishing. That's the use of other peoples work. In a book, if I need to include a particular picture, or lift a complete paragraph from another work, very often it is easiest on the reader if I just do so (with appropriate citation and permission from the author). Or I could include a reference, so that the reader is directed to the earlier work. Now, on the WEB, I don't need to do that. If I want to include a picture from another site, I can drop a hyperlink into my page, either to enable the reader to jump to the appropriate site, or to display the picture directly in the page. The new author does not need to duplicate the information to include it in his work, and so can direct his energies into more profitable things. (although the text should still indicate the original source, as it should in any case). So my suggestion is, if somebody is going to obtain input from other people to complete a site, just pop a hyperlink in to the other site. In this way, readers can have a complete set of information available via one main site. Presented of course in the authors style. When the author (or other contributor to the site) feels able to make a new contribution, the new idea may be inserted. The author is thus free to develop a "complete" site that has the appearance of being self contained and having the time to concentrate on the contributions (in terms of either presentational style or content) the author wishes to make. These novel contributions are of course the most essential part,but I'm all in favour of properly referenced material from other sources to finish the story. Hyperlinks are not just for navigating through your own site, and for use on the "links" page. And of course, if you contact the author of the original source, you can be informed if the link is going to move ! Just to bring this on topic for at least one paragraph. That is exactly what Orac does. Why store the information locally, when all he needs to do is retrieve it from a remote site, and overlay his own interpretation. Staying on topic for another paragraph. I tried to make this off topic discourse gender free. Do people think of Orac as male or female (or gender free). Ditto for Zen and Slave ? Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:16:44 EST From: Prmolloy@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Episode Reviews Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrew wrote < Do people think of Orac as male or female (or gender free). Ditto for Zen and Slave ? Hmmmnnn, IMHO Orac must be male and here's why 1. Orac never wants to talk, he's too busy doing his own things. 2. He gets irritable if someone questions his infallibility 3. He often sits around, seemingly doing nothing, as if he's part of the furniture. 4. In Deborah Tannen terms, Orac never wants to share information for bonding, he just wants to solve the problem and move on. (weak, I know, I'm sorry it's the end of the day on the East Coast of the US) Zen and Slave are fairly gender neutral to me, but it could just be that I have to go walk the dogs and have no more time. Trish ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:27:41 -0600 From: "huh" To: "B7 Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Episode Reviews Message-ID: <009801bf8d65$41bbc020$3564e0d1@huh> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > You mean "Doomorama" *isn't* a real episode? Dang, I must be getting B7 > confused with "G vs E" again. > You know, I am beginning to suspect a conspiracy here and the only thing with webs around here are Canadian geese. Once again I find myself at a loss to locate this prize bit of Dreadful humour in my e-mail and would like to beg for the email from some kind and generous soul. I think I'll have to stop downloading personal e-mail at work- I think the mail monitor is stealing the good stuff. pout. lisabeth -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #68 *************************************