From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #85 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/85 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 85 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] collectors lot Re: [B7L] horizon Re: [B7L] Avon's Name Soolin & Avon (was Re: [B7L] Cally & Avon) Re: [B7L] Cally & Avon [B7L] Cally & Vila Re: [B7L] Re: Guest Stars Re: [B7L] Re: Guest Stars Re: [B7L] Horizon Re: [B7L] Avon and That Image Re: Soolin & Avon (was Re: [B7L] Cally & Avon) Re: [B7L] Volcano question Re: [B7L] Horizon Re: [B7L] Volcano question Re: [B7L] Cally & Avon Re: [B7L] horizon RE: [B7L] Avon and That Image RE: [B7L] First Impressions: "Seek-Locate-Destroy" RE: [B7L] RPG Female Fans RE: [B7L] Avon drool Re: [B7L] Cally & Avon [B7L] Horizon 1.5 RE: [B7L] horizon Re: [B7L] Horizon 1.5 Re: [B7L] Horizon 1.5 Re: [B7L] Horizon 1.5 [B7L] Horizon 1.6 [B7L] Horizon 1.7 [B7L] Horizon 1.8 Re: [B7L] Horizon 1.5 Re: [B7L] horizon Re: [B7L] Avon and That Image ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:49:20 GMT From: "Mat Shayde" To: emilydarby@yahoo.co.uk, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] collectors lot Message-ID: <20000327124920.65809.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Emily Darby >To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se >Subject: [B7L] collectors lot >Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 19:44:30 +0000 (GMT) > >Hi > >I was just browsing around Judith's site on the net >whilst i had a spare half hour and i cam accross the >pictures from the upcoming colectors lot on channel 4 >it looks like it is going to be a superb programme > >it is an impressive collection and what a fantastic >set, i was bowled over by it at deliverance and it >looks even better (if that's possible!) > >I shall look forward to watching it next week > >Emily Sounds good to me Emily - when's it on? It's good to see someone drawing attention to Blake's 7. Shame the BBC haven't advertised the repeats! :) Dorian - "You mean you're here by choice?" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:02:17 GMT From: "Mat Shayde" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] horizon Message-ID: <20000327130217.87618.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >Hi > >what does everyone else think of the Horizon latest >newsletter ? > >I am seriuosly thinking of cancelling my subscription I failed to renew mine about two years ago (that's about 2 issues in 'Horizon time') 'cause I just wasn't impressed with it any more. It seemed to be little more than a forum for the committee's opinions and self-congratualtory in-group messages and stuff. I also found the editorial voice begining to grate more than a little, the constant interuptions to the Letters of Comment section just used to drive me mad. Having seen the last proper issue (which looked fabulous) I began to regret this decision, however after seeing a friend's copy of the frankly shameful 39.5 I'm very glad I didn't waste my money. >I wonder if it is time they just gave up, it seems to >me that no one cares about it anymore ,it is full of >exuses and apologies >Okay i know everyone runs these things in spare time >,i know i have precious little of it myself I'm afraid that isn't much of an excuse - if you are going to set out to do something like this and you get people to pay money for the finished product then you must make the effort. Besides, some friends of mine, all of whom have very demanding jobs (one works at least 12 hours a day six days a week) managed to organise and run a highly enjoyable, profitable and successful Star Wars Convention for a local charity. Surely the Horizon Committee can manage to edit and produce a quarterly newsletter? but nearly >2 years for the Con videos from Deliverance 98 is >dreadful (yeah i know i've read all the exuses in the >newsletter and the mailshot!) Hhhm, the convention videos! Well all I remember is being told to turn my camcorder off at Deliverance as there was going to be a professionally produced video sold for charity. I was dubious at the time, both that the video would ever appear and that they would include what I considered to be the best bits. Two years on and my cynicism hasn't abated. I'm just glad that I never put down a deposit for the videos. One wonders how Horizon is planning on spending the interest that those deposits have accrued... Dorian - "You mean you're here by choice?" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:07:38 GMT From: "Mat Shayde" To: smanton@hotmail.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon's Name Message-ID: <20000327130738.21228.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Sally Manton" >To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se >Subject: [B7L] Avon's Name >Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:24:29 PST > >My Second Theory... > >Kerr *is* an alias. His parents were from the Secret (But Not Very >Sensible) >Order of Secular Puritans and his real name is Jehoiakerr Melchizedek Ram >Oneisiphorous Be-courteous Avon. Have your tablets kicked in yet Sally? :) Dorian - "You mean you're here by choice?" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 05:50:35 -0800 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Soolin & Avon (was Re: [B7L] Cally & Avon) Message-ID: <38DF672A.7E6EE426@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sally Manton wrote: > as says so in Rescue.> > > He does acknowledge that she's beautiful, yes. It's not quite the same > thing… Actually what he says is Dorian's taste in wine and women is impeccable. Not able to be faulted. This on acquaintance of two or three minutes. All he's got to go on are her looks, her bearing, and her gun skills. Add that to the fact that he's responding to a general question, *not* one about Soolin, and I'd say that smacks of *personal* impact. It's a far cry from 'not bad if you like that type'. > Oh, I agree that the first move would have to come from Soolin (and I agree > about the Beautiful Suffering ;-) but you knew I would, didn't you?) Would I use your weaknesses to tempt you? > The > problem is that neither of them is anywhere near thawed as we leave them… PGPs. > as > witnessed by > [a] his (admittedly brief) reaction in Warlord, where she appeared to turn > on him - that one cold, wary, mocking look (and yes, I do think he believed > it in that moment). It's a lot like his first reaction to Tynus's - and > nothing like that for Anna or Blake; Love that bit. Yes, he believed it IMO; but he got over it quickly, he was ready for her move. Interesting that you should bring up Tynus--we rarely discuss him, but I think he's an important link in the chain leading to Gauda Prime. Avon refers to crewmembers as friends indirectly; but IIRC Tynus is the only person Avon ever directly says is his friend. Avon was shocked, angry, hurt by his betrayal, IMO. Certainly not to the extent that he was hurt by Anna and Blake--but you wouldn't expect that; he loved them. However, the fact that he reacts to Soolin's perceived betrayal in a manner similar to Tynus's would indicate to me that he had moved into the beginnings of trust; it's nothing like the manner in which he reacted to, say, Farren. > [b] his indifference to her reaction to the mention of Gauda Prime; > [c] that sharp "I really could be quite annoyed…" comment on Gauda Prime. You know perfectly well that he didn't care about anything in that ep except getting to Blake. And Soolin was on edge about being on GP; it's the only thing that accounts for her sudden change of character throughout the entire second half. > There are good things about their partnership - he's comfortable with her, > he understands the way her mind works (though he shows little interest in > her mind as such, one of my prerequisites for him *taking* a personal > interest in someone), Mm. I don't see any indication he was interested in Anna's mind. OTOH, if that's what you want... If you can get Soolin to make the first move, it'd be enough of a shock to Avon that he'd be wondering about it for months... by which time he'd be hooked :) Beyond that, I think having a close relationship with a woman that actually understood him would be an enormous relief. > do believe in Soolin!" You can do it if you try!!!> > > Actually, I *want* to, Mistral, truly… With your imagination, that's half the battle!! > (And I do agree with Jan Chappell that Blake is more Cally's sort than > Avon is. Cally clearly does not agree, mutter grumble). OTOH, it wasn't Avon she called for when she died... > But then, look at it this way. Avon does IMO have absolutely AWFUL taste in > women (Anna, Servalan), nearly as bad as Tarrant's (Piri, Servalan, Zeeona). > Soolin is probably too - too - what is the word - un-absolutely-awful to > take either of their fancy… An intelligent man can adapt... -- "Anything's possible when you're as insane as I obviously am."--Soolin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:21:03 -0700 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Cally & Avon Message-ID: <20000327.085742.-88951.1.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 06:25:29 -0800 mistral@ptinet.net writes: > > I've inferred that this is exactly the usual rationale for A/C; > which is why I can't see it at all. Yes, opposites do attract. Then > they usually try to change each other to be like themselves (what > Keirsey calls, IIRC, the Pygmalion Project). If the differences are > superficial, that may work. Avon and Cally, however, have > diametrically opposing world views. Yes, I can see Cally thinking > exactly what you've described above. What I cannot see is Avon > putting up with it. While I realize Cally has voiced her frustrations with Avon and various problems of his, I don't see her as harboring silly fantasies about him changing. OTOH, I do want Avon to change. Or, rather, I want Avon to finally develop some positive coping skills for that huge load of baggage he carries around with him. While it might be best (if only for the innocent bystanders) if he did this before he and Cally wound up getting too serious, I can't help thinking just admitting (however grudgingly) that there was a person among the living who he actually cared about would be a step in the right direction. Also, this would mean Avon letting down his famous emotional guard. Admitting (if only to himself) that he trusted another person and felt safe enough around them to act on it would be another big improvement, IMHO. But then, I don't see their world views as so dramatically different, especially if (and it's a big if) he was in an environment he felt safe in. If he ever could get away from the war with the Federation and have neighbors (who he wouldn't particularly care for [we're not talking miracles here]) who he wouldn't suspect of plotting to slit his throat in the middle of the night and who he might actually believe were the kind of people to make a reasonable effort at helping in a crisis (even if it was only to loan you a bucket if your house was burning down), he and Cally could coexist a lot more comfortably. Besides, I think whatever misery Cally and Avon might have together is a lot better than the misery they put themselves through apart. This, for me, is part of the problem I see in Avon and Soolin. Two people with similar diseases and similar mistreatment. Putting them together seems like taking the wounded of the Crimean war and sticking them in a cholera epidemic (which, since it happened, I'm sure I don't have to explain the end result of, especially if Florence Nightingale is replaced with a certain hired gun). Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:45:31 -0700 From: "Ellynne G." To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Cally & Vila Message-ID: <20000327.085742.-88951.2.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now, if you want to talk couples who'd be good for each other, > what springs to my mind is Cally/Vila... Erp! OK, I realize this is all a matter of personal opinion, but not while I'm eating, all right? Reasons I can't see Cally and Vila happening in a million years (and that's the exptreme, conservative estimate. Ever, in all eternity, in any reality, under any circumstances, even if he were the last humanoid male in the B7 or any other universe being a little closer to what I'm really thinking). 1) She'd walk all over him. When it comes to theft and survival, Vila's passive/aggressive. When it comes to anything else, he's just passive. If Cally wanted to see movie A and Vila wanted to see movie B, they'd see movie A. If she wanted to go to the fast food place that always gave Vila heartburn, that's where they'd go. Any opinion Cally gave, he'd agree with. And it wouldn't be because she was trying. Vila just immediately caves to any perceived threat - such as fear of offending the woman he was interested in. 2) OTOH, Vila would promise not to drink, then drink. Vila would promise not to steal, then steal. He'd also promise to stop oggling other females (both real and photographic) and give up gambling - with the same success rate. 3) She'd have to put up with his jokes. 4) She'd have to respect him as an equal. 5) She'd have to have conversations in him. Kerril (or however she spelled her name) was much more his type. There's a long list of criminal and otherwise questionable behavior that wouldn't bother her. She actually thought he _was_ funny. If he did something he'd promised not to, she'd just get back at him instead of analyzing the relationship. She'd also probably enjoy long conversations about how to crack a safe or break into impervable security vaults. Besides, she drinks (don't tell me anyone sober _and_ nonpsychopathic worked for Bayben). But that's JMHO. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:01:50 GMT From: "Mat Shayde" To: Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Guest Stars Message-ID: <20000327160150.53187.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Andrew Ellis" >To: >Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Guest Stars >Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 21:08:23 -0000 > >I said.... > > > >Weeelll, we didn't actually SEE Raiker die. > >>HE insights a revolt on the return to Earth with the more mercenary of >the > >>crew and becomes a renegade as well, with four objectives. 1) Become >rich. > >>2) Humiliate Avon 3) Kill Blake. > >To which Mat Shayde asked... > >and the 4th objective would be? :) > > >For Mat, and anybody else for whom this was too subtle. There's a difference between subtle and obscure Andrew. :) I'm afraid it didn't look subtle, it just looked like you had missed the 4th objective out. Dorian - "You mean you're here by choice?" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:55:35 -0700 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Guest Stars Message-ID: <20000327.085742.-88951.0.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 21:08:23 -0000 "Andrew Ellis" writes: > But going back to the main point. We didn't SEE Raiker die. So if > you want > to bring him back, it would be somewhat easier than bringing Blake > back from > GP. Except that there are more people known to survive gun wounds than there are people who have survived being in a vacuum without a helmet. There are also more ways of appearing to have died of gun wounds than there are of appearing to die in a vacuum without a helmet. That's not a criticism, just an acknowledgement of the need to be really clever (or, at least, _very_ determined). So, here's how some other writers did it. 1) Years ago, I came across a thing saying you couldn't survive more than ten seconds in space. This was used in at least one fairly cheesey story to get the hero (apparently dead at the end of part one) out alive (but not until the villain had been celebrating for some time in part two [ten seconds being very relative in some texts]). Unfortunately, the story completely ignore the physical damage that would have been taking place in the ten seconds. But, B7 medicine has never been fully explored, so Raiker may have been well on the road to recovery. 2) In 3001, it was pointed out how dying in a vacuum is a lot like freeze drying which is a lot like suspended animation which ought to make it perfectly possible to bring him back (this also allows Raiker to drift through space for years till the right alien civilization finds him, for those who want to go that way). 3) Space suits with force field helmets (if Heinlein and Lucas can do it [Empire Strikes Back (how else do you explain it?)] ....). The only problem is I'm always wary of assuming the Federation has any nice toys of this calibre. 4) The Agatha Christie solution: Raiker didn't die, but he either had been waiting to fake his own death or used the crisis to kill someone else (probably killed them during the revolt, planning to claim the prisoners did it, only to have that fall apart when Vila handed over the gun, making it impossible to claim armed prisoners had been in anything close to the right place at the right time. Once it became clear they were dealing with a ship with some kind of death trap, he was all ready to make it look like the dead guy (hereafter referred to as N. E. Body) had gone over, but the captain decided against sending more crew. Raiker was ready for Blake to make some attempt at taking the Liberator (or making some move Raiker could interpret as taking the Liberator so he could rush over). Then it was simply a matter of either taking advantage of the speed at which events occurred to make sure no one could actually swear later that only _one_ man had run into the tube or perhaps taking advantage of Federation prison ship safety policies requiring someone either be in the tube or working outside it during these transitions (outside would be better, from Raiker's POV, since it gives him a better alibi). It may also have been possible to later claim it was Body who ran out, not Raiker (trickier, but Agatha Christie could have done it). The tube's disconnected. Raiker manages to float out the other body in such a way millions of viewers assumed it was him. Even if the body was recovered, the helmet was gone - removed in such a way it was assumed to have been either knocked off by the tube or broken off when N. E. Body was shot (in this case, Raiker could further criticize the captain, since these known criminals were apparently able to steal weapons from the crew before bording Liberator and killed Body in his* attempt to stop them [even though we know it was Raiker we saw, not Body]). Then, it's simply a question of whether Raiker (who had his helmet ready) could let himself be rescued or had to come up with a way to get in without being caught. _Then_ it's simply a question of how much of this remained undiscovered or whether any of the surviving crew had names like Poirot or Marple. Ellynne *Of course Body's a he. The mistaken identity thing is enough of a stretch as it is. Besides, while a female crew member who felt the same about Raiker's passes as Jenna would provide a wonderful motive scenario, the captain would have warned Raiker to leave the female crew members alone (or be discreet) instead of just Jenna if that had been an issue. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 07:31:44 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon Message-ID: <000201bf9814$2d47a0a0$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Fielding wrote: Unless things have changed drastically in the past few years, Diane Gies *is* Horizon and without her next to nothing gets done. Especially the NL, since she seemed to insist on rubber-stamping every page with her approval before it was allowed anywhere near a printers. I think my favourite NL was the one with the blank page at the end, that the 'stupid' printers conveniently 'forgot' to print. Just so happened to be the page exhorting all Horizon members to make their own pirate copies of the Shakedown video... Neil "I am not a man, I am a free number." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 07:34:05 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon and That Image Message-ID: <000301bf9814$2e975220$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally wrote: > Neil offered: > about Anna Grant yet. Really really obvious, even if it doesn't play the > game.> > > But where's the fun in that? (Terry Nation? Never heard of him > - or Chris Boucher) The mere fact that some of the 'playing the game' > solutions (some of mine, at least) make rather less sense than the original > plot hole shouldn't be allowed to get in the way of a good convoluted > theory. Oh yes they should! Neil "I am not a man, I am a free number." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:39:40 GMT From: "Mat Shayde" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: Soolin & Avon (was Re: [B7L] Cally & Avon) Message-ID: <20000327173940.61051.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > There are good things about their partnership - he's comfortable with >her, > > he understands the way her mind works (though he shows little interest >in > > her mind as such, one of my prerequisites for him *taking* a personal > > interest in someone), > >Mm. I don't see any indication he was interested in Anna's mind. >OTOH, if that's what you want... If you can get Soolin to make >the first move, it'd be enough of a shock to Avon that he'd be >wondering about it for months... by which time he'd be hooked :) >Beyond that, I think having a close relationship with a woman that >actually understood him would be an enormous relief. What's wrong with Soolin's mind? I know she's not an intellectual, but then very few of the crew are, but she is highly intelligent, has the capacity for reasoned logical thought and can be insightful. After all she realises the truth about Cancer/Piri whilst Tarrant is rushing around thinking with his trousers and Avon is being rendered unconscious and strapped to a board. If it weren't for her mind Avon would be dead. Mind you, my money's on Avon and Jenna - I don't think much of her much vaunted interest in Blake. :) I'm quite keen on the Cally/Vila theory too... Dorian - "You mean you're here by choice?" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:11:00 +0100 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Volcano question Message-ID: <7TtJdDAEmw34EwnK@jajones.demon.co.uk> In message <20000326212141.86707.qmail@hotmail.com>, Sally Manton writes >Our Heroes/The federation I know we try on The Other List, but I'm not sure we've had sufficient time to work through *every* permutation. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:50:00 GMT From: "Mat Shayde" To: N.Faulkner@tesco.net, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon Message-ID: <20000327175000.50805.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Neil Faulkner" >To: "b7" >Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon >Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 07:31:44 +0100 > >David Fielding wrote: >does that stop the Horizon committee from carrying on and doing the NL in >her absence?> > >Unless things have changed drastically in the past few years, Diane Gies >*is* Horizon and without her next to nothing gets done. largely, it seems, because she wont allow it to be done, rather than because of any apathy or incompetence upon the part of other committee members. Especially the NL, >since she seemed to insist on rubber-stamping every page with her approval >before it was allowed anywhere near a printers. And there we were assuming that Horizon was a democracy rather than an autocracy. How foolish of us. The attitude seems to be 'like what we give you or lump it' rather than 'you're the paying fan/customer let us try and give you what you want.' Hey ho - glad I'm not a member anymore. >I think my favourite NL was the one with the blank page at the end, that >the >'stupid' printers conveniently 'forgot' to print. Just so happened to be >the page exhorting all Horizon members to make their own pirate copies of >the Shakedown video... > >Neil > >"I am not a man, I am a free number." > How careless - sack those printers immediately. After all they seem to be responsible for the lateness of *every* issue... Dorian - "You mean you're here by choice?" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:02:03 EST From: AStullken@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Volcano question Message-ID: <88.1d80443.2610fc1b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally Manton wrote: >>S'pose it could be worse. Would anyone who came in on Rescue/Power/Stardrive still be around today << Actually this is right where I came in. I was 12 years old and totally bored, so I turned on the TV, which just happened to be set on my local PBS station. The first thing I heard was Avon's line about the heliofusion rod. I stayed with the show because of Vila. When I discovered that there were three whole seasons before that point I was totally hooked. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:48:56 +0100 From: "Ariana" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Cally & Avon Message-ID: <00ba01bf9826$05875e40$17ed07c3@ariana> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: J MacQueen > SOOLIN What happens to Tarrant and the others meantime? > AVON Well, during the manoeuvre they are entirely on their own, but once we > are back in our new orbit, the teleport system should function quite > normally. Oh, it's a calculated risk. But at least you and I can be certain > that we can get away when we want to. > [From "Games"] I haven't got a clear picture of Soolin, so I can't judge of her relationship with Avon (or the leer you described). But based on the above conversation, I suppose one could argue the same point about Avon and Jenna in the following snippet: AVON: You could buy anything with this. Anything at all. Think of it Jenna, there isn't anything you couldn't have. JENNA: But what about Blake? AVON: What about him? JENNA: No. AVON: We could own our own planet. JENNA: We're not leaving him there. AVON: We have to. He's a crusader. He'll look upon all this as just one more weapon to use against the Federation. And he can't win. You know he can't win. What do you want to be rich or dead? (picks up necklace) We might never have this opportunity again. [Cygnus Alpha] Lots of "we" from Avon in there. Obviously, I'm not suggesting for one minute that Avon really would like to scamper off with Jenna to their own planet. But with nothing but subtext to explore, I think we can probably find any subtext we like. :) Anyway, as to pairing Avon off, I suggest Servalan. It'd be interesting to see her try out her sex kitten act on Mr Humourless. They'd both have a miserable time, but it should be interesting to watch (or read). Ariana http://www.alpha.ndirect.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:13:14 +0200 From: "Marian de Haan" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] horizon Message-ID: <002001bf9828$e51c1580$8fee72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Troy wrote re the Horizon newsletter: >It might be a smart move for them to publish online have a smaller >subscription charge. Not every fan is online. It may even be possible that the majority of the Horizon members are not online. Personally I was very impressed with H39 (I joined last year) and am looking forward to H40. All right, it's a bit late, but that means we don't have to pay that often. :-) Marian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:29:24 +0200 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: b7 Subject: RE: [B7L] Avon and That Image Message-ID: <39DCDDFD014ED21185C300104BB3F99FD7A9F2@NL-ARN-MAIL01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sally, then Neil: > > The mere fact that some of the 'playing the game' > > solutions (some of mine, at least) make rather less sense than the > > original plot hole shouldn't be allowed to get in the way of a good > > convoluted theory. > > Oh yes they should! Hmm, no hugs in days, and Neil is actually sounding like his old arrogant self again. Looks like the list is a safe place to be again. Oh, and Ellynne: Cally and Vila did hug in Aftermath (or was it Powerplay?) Since that was the most explicit physical contact any of our heroes ever had on screen (except for Avon dragging Blake away from exploding things), I'm afraid I have to agree with Mistral about them having feelings for each other. At the very least Sister-Brother feelings, but I'm sure Vila wouldn't mind a bit more. Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:42:06 +0200 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: Lysator Subject: RE: [B7L] First Impressions: "Seek-Locate-Destroy" Message-ID: <39DCDDFD014ED21185C300104BB3F99FD7A9F5@NL-ARN-MAIL01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Oops, sorry Ariana, I forgot to check my "to" field, so you're getting this twice. Ariana wrote: > > Blake had better watch out -- there's finally a worthy > adversary after him. > And no, I don't mean that twerp Travis! > You're very lucky this is still Greiff's Travis. That means that you only have to deal with those GITHOG weenies. You might want to watch your step, though, once the divine Brian Croucher puts on the eyepatch. None have ever rivalled his sheer ruthlessness, his good looks, the way he fits into his uniform..... Excuse me while I go cool off somewhere. Jacqueline, Chief high inquisitioner of the one true Church of Travis. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:43:32 +0200 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: RE: [B7L] RPG Female Fans Message-ID: <39DCDDFD014ED21185C300104BB3F99FD7A9F6@NL-ARN-MAIL01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Calle wrote: > > But we never get any players for the Paranoia game anyway... It sounds like fun to me. If I make it to Redemption next year, I'd like to try it out. Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:49:34 +0200 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: RE: [B7L] Avon drool Message-ID: <39DCDDFD014ED21185C300104BB3F99FD7AA01@NL-ARN-MAIL01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sally wrote: > Avona wrote: > probably the most > conventionally good looking of the men making frequent appearences.> > > I'd go further and narrow it down to Travis II (pity Penny > left before I > made *that* concession, though I still prefer Travis I). With > - for those > who like conventional - maybe Tarrant coming second (Idon't > really, and > there's the Cabbage Patch aura, but otherwise he probably > beats out Travis I.) Hesitate no more, Sally, join the ranks of those who have discovered the virtues of the one true Travis. We're here for you. Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:33:44 +0100 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: b7 Subject: Re: [B7L] Cally & Avon Message-ID: In message <00ba01bf9826$05875e40$17ed07c3@ariana>, Ariana writes >Anyway, as to pairing Avon off, I suggest Servalan. It'd be interesting to >see her try out her sex kitten act on Mr Humourless. Keep watching. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:34:15 GMT From: "David Fielding" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Horizon 1.5 Message-ID: <20000327213415.87516.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hello again, I haven’t been struck by lightning yet, so the rumours of Diane Gies’s God like powers must be a myth, just like the Deliverance 98 (!!!?) videos. Yesterday I posed the question, How does Diane Gies’s fallopian tubes, stop the Horizon committee from carrying on and doing the NL in her absence? Last night I decided to retrieve NL 39.5 from my dustbin and work it out for myself. Did you know there is not a single member of the Horizon committee involved with the magazine’s production! There’s a “T-shirt Officer” there’s an “Outings Officer” (gay members beware!) there’s even a “Fiddly Bits of Merchandise Officer”, but that’s it. No editor, no reviews editor, no news editor (maybe there was one of them!), no production manager, no designer, nothing. Isn’t that incredible? Who put 39.5 together? Bimbo the Dancing chimp? No wonder the damn things 15 months late!!! David F. PS What does A:ATA mean? “Death throws, nothing more!” Secretary Rontane, after reading H39.5 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:48:30 +0100 From: "Helm, Troy" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: RE: [B7L] horizon Message-Id: <200003272158.PAA15763@interlock.csw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well you can't always cater for the lowest denominator!!!! Upgrade or die ; ) Troy -----Original Message----- From: Marian de Haan [mailto:maya@multiweb.nl] Sent: 27 March 2000 21:13 To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] horizon Troy wrote re the Horizon newsletter: >It might be a smart move for them to publish online have a smaller >subscription charge. Not every fan is online. It may even be possible that the majority of the Horizon members are not online. Personally I was very impressed with H39 (I joined last year) and am looking forward to H40. All right, it's a bit late, but that means we don't have to pay that often. :-) Marian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:58:17 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon 1.5 Message-ID: <0a0301bf9837$90965de0$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Fielding wondered: >What does A:ATA mean? 'Avon: A Terrible Aspect'. Or was that 'Prospect'? Una ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:05:33 GMT From: "Mat Shayde" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon 1.5 Message-ID: <20000327220533.30022.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "David Fielding" >To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se >Subject: [B7L] Horizon 1.5 >Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:34:15 GMT > >Hello again, > >I haven’t been struck by lightning yet, so the rumours of Diane Gies’s God >like powers must be a myth, just like the Deliverance 98 (!!!?) videos. >Yesterday I posed the question, How does Diane Gies’s fallopian tubes, stop >the Horizon committee from carrying on and doing the NL in her absence? >Last night I decided to retrieve NL 39.5 from my dustbin and work it out >for myself. >Did you know there is not a single member of the Horizon committee involved >with the magazine’s production! There’s a “T-shirt Officer” there’s an >“Outings Officer” (gay members beware!) there’s even a “Fiddly Bits of >Merchandise Officer”, but that’s it. No editor, no reviews editor, no news >editor (maybe there was one of them!), no production manager, no designer, >nothing. Isn’t that incredible? Who put 39.5 together? Bimbo the Dancing >chimp? No wonder the damn things 15 months late!!! > > >David F. Disturbing isn't it? I remember a time when Diane used to (hopefully ironically) refer to herself as 'Supreme Commander' in the opening bit of the newsletter. It sounds as if she has started taking it a bit too seriously. Is this a club (ie group effort) or just a one-woman crusade to homogenise B7 fandom? >PS >What does A:ATA mean? It stands for Avon: A Terrible Aspect, although (and with all due respect to Paul Darrow who is a fine actor, but a rather less fine novelist) it should more rightly be A:ATN - Avon: A Terrible Novel Dorian - "You mean you're here by choice?" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:19:19 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon 1.5 Message-ID: <20000327221919.42622.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Una McCormack" >David Fielding wondered: > >What does A:ATA mean? >'Avon: A Terrible Aspect'. Or was that 'Prospect'? Depends on what you are looking at, I suppose. And we know what some people are looking at... Regards Joanne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:29:45 GMT From: "David Fielding" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Horizon 1.6 Message-ID: <20000327222945.43345.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >>David Fielding wrote: >>Did you know that in the time it has taken the 39.5 pamphlet to come out, >>I have bought a house, got married, and fathered a child! >Una said >Wow! The B7 equivalent of the Great Wall of China! I wonder if you can see >it from space too? Yes you can, It's very wide and stretches around a small principality. David F. Bye the way Una, how's your regular article "The Web" coming along for H40? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:02:57 GMT From: "David Fielding" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Horizon 1.7 Message-ID: <20000327230257.70000.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >> Speaking of the movie, did anyone actually see the negative comments >> supposedly put up on Horizon's web page soliciting comments, whch caused >>the >> whole thing to be removed?? I wonder what that was all about. Maybe >>just >> remarks from people who read and disliked A:ATA? Tiger M. wrote >I didn't see the webpage or the comments, but the whole thing does seem >odd. I'm interested to know what was going on, too. This is the answer why the Movie Comments page was pulled. Diane Gies started censoring comments that she didn't agree with. This upset a lot of people who started to complain about her actions. Diane's respons was to take the comments page of line. So much for freedom of speach. David F. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:42:41 GMT From: "David Fielding" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Horizon 1.8 Message-ID: <20000327234241.49145.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >>David Fielding wrote: >>I'm sorry that Diane Gies has had problems with her "ladies bit", but how >>does that stop the Horizon committee from carrying on and doing the NL in >>her absence?> >Unless things have changed drastically in the past few years, Diane Gies >*is* Horizon and without her next to nothing gets done. Especially the NL, >since she seemed to insist on rubber-stamping every page with her approval >before it was allowed anywhere near a printers. >I think my favourite NL was the one with the blank page at the end, that >the >'stupid' printers conveniently 'forgot' to print. Just so happened to be >the page exhorting all Horizon members to make their own pirate copies of >the Shakedown video... You make Diane Gies sound like some homicidal power crazed maniac... Far enough! Are you speaking from personal experience? Where you ever a member of the Horizon committee? Do you still have the lobotomy scare? David F. "That Power would set me up above the Gods, and through Horizon I will have that power!" Diane Gies "Genesis of Horizon" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 06:32:50 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon 1.5 Message-ID: <0bf701bf9877$5e23d500$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joanne wrote: > >From: "Una McCormack" > >David Fielding wondered: > >What does A:ATA mean? > >'Avon: A Terrible Aspect'. Or was that 'Prospect'? > > Depends on what you are looking at, I suppose. And we know what some > people are looking at... Ah yes - the cover ;) Una ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:02:09 +0200 From: "Marian de Haan" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] horizon Message-ID: <002c01bf987b$274e3760$1bef72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To my: >>Not every fan is online. Troy replied: >Well you can't always cater for the lowest denominator!!!! > >Upgrade or die ; ) You mean fans who can't afford to be online must be disregarded? Surely not? :-) Marian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:14:31 -0700 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon and That Image Message-ID: <20000327.231433.-76649.0.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:29:24 +0200 Jacqueline Thijsen writes: > > Oh, and Ellynne: Cally and Vila did hug in Aftermath (or was it > Powerplay?) > Since that was the most explicit physical contact any of our heroes > ever had > on screen (except for Avon dragging Blake away from exploding > things), I'm > afraid I have to agree with Mistral about them having feelings for > each > other. At the very least Sister-Brother feelings, but I'm sure Vila > wouldn't > mind a bit more. > I can see sibling like feelings between them. But, when it comes to the idea of a romance .... The Avon-Soolin thing I argue against largely because I just don't see it. I mean, I can believe someone else seeing it, I just can't see it no matter how many times I look. Part of it is how I see the characters and part of it is things I look for in a romantic storyline. I may make a passionate argument now and then, but the truth is it just doesn't click for me. Nothing more. I look at it, scratch my head, and go, "Huh?" Actually, most of the really intense types I've known have tended to settle down with mellower types - but, then again, maybe other people are clicking onto an aspect of her character that eludes me or that I just see differently. OTOH, I think Cally would wind up feeling as if she were dealing with a little child all the time if she were involved with Vila. I'm not saying Cally has anything against kids (her clone sister certainly didn't). I'm also not saying this would be a problem if they stayed friends. But it would make a lousy romance. Vila is just too irresponsible and, in many ways, immature. I could only see it happening in a negative way, a relationship based on Vila perpetually getting into trouble and Cally bailing him out. Besides, can you build a healthy relationship with a guy after expressing a firm desire to make a necklace out of his teeth? Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #85 *************************************