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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 104
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Trials of going to your 1st B7 Con cont.
[B7L] Star spotting
[B7L] Deliverance Report 2/2
Re: [B7L] Deliverance Report 2/2
[B7L] Star spotting
Re: [B7L] Star spotting
[B7L] re: Gareth Thomas
[B7L] Submissions Wanted
[B7L] mutoids
[B7L] Redemption
[B7L] filking etc.
Re: [B7L] mutoids
[B7L] Re: SC: Deliverance costume exhibit
Deliverance
[B7L] Andromedans
Re: [B7L] Good news and bad news
Re: [B7L] Deliverance report (2/2)
Re: [B7L] Good news and bad news
[B7L] b7spin: PD and Pie in the Sky
[B7L] Andromedans
[B7L] mutoids
Re: [B7L] mutoids
Re: [B7L] Deliverance report (2/2)
Re: [B7L] Good news and bad news
Re: [B7L] DSV 1 or 2
[B7L] It's too hot in here for me.
[B7L] Response to Diva
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 17:04:22 GMT
From: "Jane Elizabeth Macdonald" <J.E.Macdonald1@student.derby.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Trials of going to your 1st B7 Con cont.
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Saturday cont.
This is the part where I have to admit to being very stupid. I
looked at my train time table to see what time the last train back
was as I wanted to stay at the Con until the last possible minute.
I saw it was at 20-55 and thought "Oh yes, 10-55 pm, I can stay until
10 o'clock!"
I looked at the program and worked out that I would have time to see
the fancy dress and the cabaret but not the auction.
Then we all queued up for the fancy dress which started one and a
half hours late. I was watching my watch all this time as I kept
trying to work out how much of the cabaret I was going to miss.
So I watched the fancy dress and was very impressed with the standard
of the costumes. Also, the people didn't just model them they also
acted the appropriate roles which was very entertaining.
Then the cabaret started and I kept waiting for Gareth to come on.
But they put him on last. I looked at my watch as Jaqueline did her
routine and reluctantly decided that I was going to miss Gareth.
So I got my train timetable out just to check the time of the last
train again when I suddenly had a nasty shock. Of cause 20-55 is
8-55 pm not 10-55 pm and I had already missed the last train home.
The only way that I can excuse this lapse of mental ability is that I
was having such a good time that I subconsiously changed the time in
my mind so that I could stay for longer.
So I was now stranded in Stoke at 11pm on a Saturday night with
nowhere to sleep and no chance of finding anywhere with such a large
Con already taking up every available place in Stoke. Did I panic?
Or go immediately to try and find somewhere to stay? No! I had to
stay and see the rest of the cabaret, of cause!
So after the cabaret (and the auction) was finished I went to speak to the
man on reception. I was hoping that he would say that I could sleep in
one of the chairs in the lounge. I had an alternate plan as well as
someone had already offered to let me sleep on some blankets on the
floor in their room, which was very nice of them. But the man on
reception was very sympathetic he seached 3 times through his
computer until he found me a room. How he did it I'll never know.
So I got to stay in the Moat House afterall. And I must say that the room
and service in the hotel were very good and that I would deffinitely go
there again.
After all this I decided that it was not yet time for bed and that I
would go to the disco as well. I think it was 2-30 am when I got to
bed.
Sunday
So I was unexpectantly still at the Con on Sunday. The first thing I
had to do was phone my parents, who were looking after my 2 children
and explain why I couldn't come and collect them as I was still in
Stoke. Luckly there was a train back on a Sunday at 3-45 pm so I was
able to get home.
In the meantime I was at the Con with the wrong coloured shoe lace (a
green one). So I had to go cap in hand to registration and explain.
They were very helpful and understanding. Now armed with my red
shoe lace I went to enjoy my extended Con visit. Of cause the
benefit of this was that I now had a lace for both my boots!
I was able to get the autographs that I had been unable to obtain on
the 2 previous days and thought that I was going to be able to take
some photos at the Photo Shot as well. This had been timetabled for
1-30 pm. Unfortuately, they had to delay it until later on in the
day so I did miss it after all. I also missed seeing Michael as he
was in a workshop at 3 pm and I didn't want to miss another train.
I did eventually get home (after not missing the train) very late and
totally exhausted. The first thing I did when I got in the house was
have a decent meal!
Highlights of Deliverance
Meeting Gareth in the bar!
Being at the workshop where Gareth had got stuck in the lift
Lowlights
Well they say that bad luck come in three's and this was certainly
true for me. What with being in B7 on the TV, and staring as a
person whose specialist subject on Mastermind was not B7. And
finally with being the person whom they recognised on reception as
'the 1 who missed the last train back'.
This Con was certainly not what I expected!
Where do I sign up for Redemption '99?
Cylan
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Date: 6 Apr 1998 09:40:38 -0700
From: "Buck, Courtney" <buck#m#_courtney@ssdgwy.mdc.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Star spotting
Message-ID: <n1320265878.62960@SSDGWY.mdc.com>
I just watched the three episodes of a show called "The Flaxton Boys" that Paul
Darrow appeared in!! He was so young looking? Does anyone know if this show
was before or after B7? I'm almost sure it must have been before!
In one of the eps (my fave) he didn't have any lines. He played a character
called "The Venerable" and he just sat around in various "meditative" positions
being...venerable. For a Darrow fan, it's a lovely thing to watch. One of his
postions was standing on his head against a wall, his long robe fell to the
floor. Anyone who doesn't believe Paul had gorgeous legs, watch this episode. ;)
We (me and my little group of B7 fans) also watched a video with a very young
Steven Pacey singing "Rockin' Robin' -- and a bit from a TV show with Pacey as a
pot-smoking photographer and "Soolin" as his model. Everyone in our group has
developed a whole new attitude toward Pacey/Tarrant. Ya can't help but like
'im...he's sooo cute. Even our most fervent Tarrant hater came away "less
fervent" <g>
Courtney
150% Avon
AVON AVON AVON AVON AVON AVON AVON AVON AVON AVON AVON AVON AVON AVON
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Date: 6 Apr 1998 10:27:08 -0700
From: "Ma.James" <ma@ssdgwy.mdc.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Deliverance Report 2/2
Message-ID: <n1320263847.87509@SSDGWY.mdc.com>
>Lucy wrote:
>Anyway, as I've already said, I really enjoyed Deliverance and so
>did most of the people I've since spoken to. I joined this
>mailing list looking forward to chatting about it, so I really
>hope that there are some people out there who feel the same.
I agree with Lucy. Since I didn't make it to Deliverance, I was looking forward
to the con reports, and discussions of con activities. I'm disappointed to see
so much criticism and name-calling instead. What a shame.
I can't help but believe that despite whatever problems existed, most people had
a good time, and that the concom did their best to accommodate everyone.
I've never been to con. Redemption will be my first. I almost went to
Deliverance but cancelled when I learned Paul Darrow wouldn't be there. Now I'm
beginning to wish I'd gone anyway, just so I could gauge for myself if the
complaints are warranted.
Shela Ma
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 19:13:17 +0100
From: "Jenni-Alison" <jenni-alison@dial.pipex.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Deliverance Report 2/2
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Sheila Ma wrote
> Now I'm
> beginning to wish I'd gone anyway, just so I could gauge for myself
if the
> complaints are warranted.
It was my first con, and I'd say that while most of the complaints
themselves are warranted, the overall experience was so great, the
atmosphere was so warm, the guests so approachable, the committee so
helpfull and the other fans so friendly, that you mostly didn't mind
anything that went wrong. There was so much to do that when something
wasn't working I just went off and did something else! Even when I
didn't buy all the things from Horizon that I planned, I made the
best of it, and used the time to get autographs and talk to other
fans. Please believe me, there was no bad atmosphere at the con, and
I'm sure there will be a great atmosphere at Redemption too. I look
forward to meeting you there!
Jenni
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Date: 6 Apr 1998 12:08:34 -0700
From: "de Leon.Berta E." <berta@ssdgwy.mdc.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Star spotting
Message-ID: <n1320257835.49858@SSDGWY.mdc.com>
>>Courtney wrote:
>>We (me and my little group of B7 fans) also watched a video with a very young
Steven Pacey singing "Rockin' Robin' -- and a bit from a TV show with Pacey as a
pot-smoking photographer and "Soolin" as his model. Everyone in our group has
developed a whole new attitude toward Pacey/Tarrant. Ya can't help but like
'im...he's sooo cute. Even our most fervent Tarrant hater came away "less
fervent" <g> <<
OK! You're not going to be satisfied til you hear me say it, are you? OK, I
like Pacey, he's cute. I admit it!! I see him differently now. I enjoy his
singing, he was fabulous in the bit from West Side Story. I LIKE STEVEN
PACEY!!!
That DOESN'T mean I've changed my opinion of Tarrant!!!! Well, not completely,
anyway. AVON still rules Blake's 7!!!!!
Berta
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 20:29:33 +0100 (BST)
From: Rob Clother <rob@amsta.leeds.ac.uk>
To: B7 mailing list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Star spotting
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> AVON still rules Blake's 7!!!!!
Oh dear, yet another deluded soul. Blake rules Blake's 7. Everyone knows
that. :-)
-- Rob
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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 20:40:51 +0100
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] re: Gareth Thomas
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penny_kjelgaard@juno.com wrote:
>
> Is Gareth married? Does he have children?
Yes. & Yes.
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:02:47 MST7MDT
From: "DAVID SANDERSON" <dsanders@aclis.lib.utah.edu>
To: BLAKE7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Submissions Wanted
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Greetings B7ers,
Egrorian Press is still looking for submissions for Tents of
Goth volume 2.
Tents of Goth is a general readership Blake's 7 fanzine. We are
looking for quality stories to put into our second volume. It is our
goal to put out the best magazine we possibly can. We want the
knowledgable fans on Lysator to be a good source for stories in our
magazine.
If you have any questions about our editorial policies or
submission guidelines visit our web site at:
http://choengmon.lib.utah.edu/~dsanders/egrorian/egrorian.html
or write me at:
dsanders@library.utah.edu
If you have any questions not covered by the web pages feel free
to write me at the address above.
Take care everyone,
David R. Sanderson
Managing Editor, Egrorian Press
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 20:36:00 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] mutoids
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If mutoids lived on blood serum, why was it green?
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:10:38 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Redemption
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On Mon 06 Apr, Ma.James wrote:
> I've never been to con. Redemption will be my first. I almost went to
> Deliverance but cancelled when I learned Paul Darrow wouldn't be there. Now I'm
> beginning to wish I'd gone anyway, just so I could gauge for myself if the
> complaints are warranted.
Which reminds me. If anyone coming to Redemption wants to pay their membership
by dollar cheque, contact me and I'll explain whom to make it payable to and
where to send it. We also take cash dollars sent to the convention address, but
I imagine people would prefer the security of paying by cheque.
The price in dollars will move with the pound/dollar exchange rate, so it's
better that people contact me to ask the price rather than I quote a price here
that may be wrong later on.
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 20:29:28 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] filking etc.
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What makes people try something new at a convention?
There were a couple of first time filkers turned up to the filk session at
Deliverance which was very gratifying. 'New Souls for the Faith' They even
stayed <gulp> and seemed to be enjoying themselves. One was a folklorist who
was fascinated to discover that fandom was a complex enough culture to have its
own oral tradition.
One of the things I always find interesting at cons that attract people from
different countries is discovering which tunes are well known. For instance,
'She'll be coming round the mountain' seems to be fairly universal, wheras
'Click go the shears' is pretty much Australia only. 'Dixie' isn't much sung
outside the US, but Flanders and Swann songs are a good bet for many people of
the right age group. Mind you, it's kinda hard to filk Flanders and Swann, they
were usually stealing the tunes to begin with...
Last time I was in the US, I went round a book store with a friend, found a song
book and picked out the ones we both knew. I then used that base for any filks
I wrote over the duration of that particular convention.
Anyway, I'm drifting off my original subject. What things do people try at
conventions and why?
I know I never went to turkey reads originally, because I had no idea what one
was and didn't want to try something I might not like. Turned out that they can
be great fun on occasion. The best turkey session I ever went to was at
Obliterate. They would play a recording of a song or read something aloud from
a book or zine - the idea was to find things that were as groanably bad as
possible. The audience than offered them money to shut up or turn the recording
off. Other members of the audience would bid for it to continue. IT was
hilarious. They only goofed once. They had a Tom Baker recording that was
really rather good. After nobody bid against it for several minutes, they had
to give up!
Guest panels are obvious. I imagine every fan at a first convention probably
attends as many guest panels as possible. Even when you think you know most of
a guest's anecdotes, there's still some things that will come out fresh to
surprise you. Often guests who were not the one you really came to see will
surprise you by being really interesting. Stephen Greiff was my favourite new
face at Deliverance. I've never so much as looked twice at Travis, but Stephen
is intelligent and fun. (All right, it didn't hurt that the autograhped my con
book with a note that he liked my web page <grin>)
Guest cabaret can range from dull to superb. David Jackson's music hall
sequence was the height of the Deliverance cabaret for me even if Jackie's melon
will stay in many minds. I've been to some cabarets that left me yawning. At
Visions one year, the only decent acts were Brian Blessed and Paul and Gareth.
The others just read from books or sang. (an being an actor does not
necessarily make a good singer) IN the case of US actors, I'm not sure that all
of them are used to working with a live audience.
Fan panels are a favourite of mine and I think it's a shame that more people
don't go to them (although if programmed against a guest talk, it is
understandable that people who haven't seen that guest before will choose the
guest talk) I've been to some beauties over the years. Some had as few as
three participants (but we were enjoying ourselves, so we didn't care) and some
had nearly a hundred. The joy of a fan panel is that the people running it are
experts. Guests, with rare exceptions, do not know their own show terribly
well. They will recall their own part, but they won't have thought about the
alien culture, starship design, mariage rituals, character's past history, etc.
Fans on the other hand can give you five different ways in which Avon could have
survived Gauda Prime without even pausing for breath. At a fan panel, you can
chuck in your own contributions, mention the sixth and seventh ways in which he
might have survived, point out the fatal flaw in the argument for method number
two and generally have fun arguing about topics that you can never discuss
outside of a convention atmosphere.
I really regretted missing the Avon/Servalan discusson at Delivernace, but it
was at the same time as Brian Lighthill discussing the Sevenfold Crown and I
enjoyed tearing that to pieces even more. Actually, I was amazed by Brian's
patience and good humour. I found that I really liked him in spite of generally
disliking the play.
Actually, as far as trying things at conventions goes, there is probably really
only one rule to follow. If you don't know what a session is about, turn up and
try it. After all, you can always walk out after five minutes if you don't like
it. (The only exception is anything with the word 'slash' in the title. If you
don't like same sex material then give it a wide berth)
Dip a toe in the water. Who knows, you might end up being one of those people
singing 'I'll go no more a-rebelling with you, Roj Blake' in the early hours of
the morning.
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 15:38:43 -0500
From: "Reuben Herfindahl" <reuben@reuben.net>
To: "Judith Proctor" <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>,
"Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] mutoids
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From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Date: Monday, April 06, 1998 3:11 PM
Subject: [B7L] mutoids
>If mutoids lived on blood serum, why was it green?
>
It was blood serum, and not pure blood, perhaps a chemical additive was
added that made the color appear green. Also there is no suggestion that
the blood need be oxygenated, that would lead to a darker red, not green,
but perhaps in combination with another chemical it turned green.
Just some off the wall ideas. "Damnit, Jim! I'm an IS specialist, not a
doctor."
Reuben
reuben@reuben.net
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 19:36:04 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.SC@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: space-city@world.std.com
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: SC: Deliverance costume exhibit
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In message <199804060326.DAA27460@rock103.genie.net>,
s.thompson8@genie.geis.com writes
>An aspect of Deliverance that no one has said much about so far,
> and that I enjoyed enormously, was the exhibition of models, props,
> and costumes. It was such a thrill to see the actual items! There
> was even a nicely written and printed exhibition catalogue.
AOL. Rob did a superb job on the catalogue, and I'm very glad I bought
one.
>I had the impression-- but I can't think where I got it, because
> nothing is said in the catalogue and I can't remember anyone
> telling me-- that the items displayed are now the property of a
> private collector, who kindly consented to show them to con-goers.
Several private collectors. Most of the costumes and props belong to Rob
Emory and another person whose name I've forgotten. Many of the models
and props belong to the people who worked on them at the BBC.
I'm exceedingly grateful to those who lent material, and also to Rob and
the person whose name I've had the bad manners to forget for their
patience in explaining the background of the items on display and
bringing pieces out to the front so they could be examined more closely.
>
>Oh, and the red leather lobster suit was there! But it was rather
> less interesting-looking without its contents :). Rob pointed out
> the little stitch holes around the collar where the spikes that
> originally decorated it had been removed because someone decided
> they were just too, too much.
Rob explained to me that there'd originally been a flap that covered the
zip down the front of the jacket, which is why you can't see on screen
how to get into the thing, and it appears to have been cut up and used
for shoulder pads in one of the later jackets. This extra layer on the
front was also used on some of the otherjackets.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:58:15 +0100
From: "Amanda Robertson" <amanda-robertson@lineone.net>
To: "blakes7" <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Deliverance
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 20:35:17 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Andromedans
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Just what kind of spaceship would be piloted by blobs of protoplasm?
Did the Andromedans live out their lives in jelly form and toss out the
occasional pseudopod to press a button, or did they generally use a solid form
and only revert to blobs upon death?
Would a blob have any use for artificial gravity? If the Andromedans used
generation ships (it's a long way between galaxies even with an 'intergalactic
drive'), then they might have chosen to live in free fall - it would save a lot
of power and there's precious little to refuel with between the galaxies.
A ship's interior for an amorphous race living without gravity would be a very
strange design to our eyes.
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 16:03:22 -0500
From: "Reuben Herfindahl" <reuben@reuben.net>
To: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Good news and bad news
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From: Dangermouse <master@sol.co.uk>
To: Reuben Herfindahl <reuben@reuben.net>; blakes7@lysator.liu.se
<blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Date: Saturday, April 04, 1998 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [B7L] Good news and bad news
>> What a terrible prospect, what they really should do is round up the
>bloke
>> that wrote the recent Doctorless Doctor Who novel, Face of the Enemy.
>Seems
>> to me he could probably do a pretty good PGP story ;-)
>
>Especially considering that the villain is blatantly Jackie Pearce?
>
<Smacks self in face> Gawd, I can't believe I didn't catch that right away!
Are there any other Blake's 7 references in the books I should be looking
for? I have to admit to only having read The Dark Path and Face, I still
working up to the NA's, I've only been able to find Sanctuary.
Reuben
reuben@reuben.net
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 19:53:50 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Deliverance report (2/2)
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On Mon 06 Apr, Diva wrote:
> People *did* think Redemption was to do with Deliverance. Please can you
> answer my question: Did you ask permission from the Deliverance Concom to
> use their name in your publicity?
No.
If we had intended to call our convention Deliverance then we would have
needed permission and asked for it.
If we had intended to imply that we were a similar convention then we would have
asked.
We are a different convention and saying that we come after Deliverance
chronologically is no different from saying that we are after Wolf 359 or almost
exactly a year after Starfury. (We've certainly stated the latter in past
publicity) We could just as easily say that we are close to the timeslot that
Neutral Zone would have been if they were having it next year. You don't need
permission to quote a fact.
Judith Rolls will confirm that we in fact had other names that we wanted to use
for the convention which we dropped as she told us they would upset certain
people. And I'm not going to say more than that, because I don't think Judith
would want me to. (And just in case anyone thinks I'm trying some kind of
obscure blackmail here - which given the mood of this conversation is
unfortunately possible - I'm not. I'm respecting the wishes of someone I
respect.)
The name 'Redemption' was chosen because it gave a link between B7 and B5.
Redemption is a powerful theme in Babylon 5 with characters such as Londo
finding their better side in times of great danger.
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 19:49:52 +0100
From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
To: "Tom Forsyth" <Tom.Forsyth@btinternet.com>,
"B7 Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Good news and bad news
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> From: Tom Forsyth <Tom.Forsyth@btinternet.com>
> Colin Gate wrote:
> > From what I remember of this discussion, he also said it was impossible
> > to get the 'Seven Fold Crown' proof read at all as the BBC retain a
full
> > copyright until the release date of the tape (i.e. They will not let
> > anyone outside the BBC even read it). However, Jenni brought forward
> > the point about the mythical nature of the story not being in keeping
> > with the series at deliverance and, apart from her praise for his
> > efforts to exhume the series, probably had more impact than any other
> > comment. I am thoroughly looking forward to the next tape in spite of
> > the 'Seven Fold Crown'.
>
> Yes, I didn't get this. What's so hard about getting someone like, well,
> any of the Judiths to read the script, pay them a tenner and call them a
> "consultant"? Bingo - they work for the BBC. Problem solved. They'd be
> quite happy to sign a Non-Disclosure Agreement or the equivalent, I'm
sure.
> The same would be true of the next one. Not the best excuse in the world,
> Mr. Lighthill. 3/10 for effort.
I dunno - but what Colin said above ain't true anyway - the Beeb does
indeed use proofreaders, and I should know! At least, they do for Dr Who...
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Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:25:48 +1200
From: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] b7spin: PD and Pie in the Sky
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The rambling discussions that feature on the spin list have (inevitably, I
suppose) brought us round to B7-related material again. Specifically, a
role that Paul Darrow played in British cop drama Pie in the Sky. Some
interest was expressed, so I'm dragging the thread over here.
Anyway, a few months ago TV here aired an ep of Pie in the Sky featuring PD
as a nasty crime boss. The plot involves the wife of said crim, a lass
named Sasha, being persuaded to testify against hubby in an upcoming trial.
In the meantime, he's out on bail (iirc) so she's being guarded (by PIS
main character Crabbe) in a safehouse, an old, overgrown country house with
lots of outbuildings. PD's character naturally wants to dissuade her from
testifying, so he and his goons track her down. When they arrive,Crabbe and
Sasha trip the alarm to call the cops, and lock themselves in one of the
outbuildings. Hubby finds where they've hidden, and in a lovely scene tries
to persuade Sasha to change her mind and come back to him. When she
refuses, he bashes the door in and is threatening them with a shotgun when
he's surrounded by what in NZ are called the Armed Offenders Squad (cops
with guns and bullet-proof vests). Instant recollection by yours truly of
another PD role where he's holding a gun and is surrounded by persons in
dark-coloured uniforms pointing guns at him. ;-)
Oh, and Steven Pacey featured in the next week's episode, as a philandering
businessman. Didn't look a day older, either ;-)
So, um, there you have it.
ttfn, Nicola
---
Nicola Collie
Dunedin, New Zealand
nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz
Landing: a controlled mid-air collision with a planet.
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Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:53:20 +1200
From: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Andromedans
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Judith mused:
>Just what kind of spaceship would be piloted by blobs of protoplasm?
>
>Did the Andromedans live out their lives in jelly form and toss out the
>occasional pseudopod to press a button, or did they generally use a solid form
>and only revert to blobs upon death?
Hmm. The first possibility I think of when reading this is that their ships
didn't have controls as we regard them. I have a picture of a blob of goo
in direct contact with the ship's control circuits, perhaps via an
electrode net or an energy field, using electrical impulses generated
within the protoplasm to trip circuits and "fly" the ship.
>Would a blob have any use for artificial gravity?
Probably not, under the design I've described above.
>If the Andromedans used
>generation ships (it's a long way between galaxies even with an 'intergalactic
>drive'), then they might have chosen to live in free fall - it would save
>a lot
>of power and there's precious little to refuel with between the galaxies.
Yes. I'd go with this idea, unless there's other reasons against it.
>A ship's interior for an amorphous race living without gravity would be a very
>strange design to our eyes.
It needn't look anything like a ship at all. I have an image of a small
smooth-walled room in dark grey, with patches of different shades of grey
(purely for my own visual reference) representing control points. This
would be completely occupied by the Andromedan in flight. The ship could
consist of a series of these, with the different roles that stations on a
human-controlled starship would play - pilot, nav, weapons, etc. If they
divide up the work in the same way we do...
Now, the next question from me - what do these critters do when they're not
on watch? Do they keep watches as we know them?
ttfn, Nicola
---
Nicola Collie
Dunedin, New Zealand
nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz
Landing: a controlled mid-air collision with a planet.
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Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:53:30 +1200
From: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] mutoids
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Judith asked:
>If mutoids lived on blood serum, why was it green?
Serum in real life is a clear yellowy (officially "straw") colour. It would
be relatively easy to turn it green by adding a coloured substance. In the
case of "mutoid-food" this additive could be several things:
- a preservative
- an additional nutrient of some sort (vitamins, carbohydrate...)
- a drug of some sort (obedience, a stimulant...)
Or, from a TV-show visual point of view, green goo is much more
futuristic-looking than some wishy-washy yellowy stuff :-)
ttfn, Nicola
---
Nicola Collie
Dunedin, New Zealand
nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz
Landing: a controlled mid-air collision with a planet.
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Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:07:13 +1200
From: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] mutoids
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Reuben:
>It was blood serum, and not pure blood, perhaps a chemical additive was
>added that made the color appear green. Also there is no suggestion that
>the blood need be oxygenated, that would lead to a darker red, not green,
>but perhaps in combination with another chemical it turned green.
Serum does not contain haemoglobin (the stuff that makes blood red), as
that is contained within the red blood corpuscles, and removed when the
serum is prepared. So it couldn't be red, unless something red was added to
it later. This of course assumes that Terry Nation and I both think of the
same thing when we hear the word serum :-).
>Just some off the wall ideas. "Damnit, Jim! I'm an IS specialist, not a
>doctor."
I'm a biochemist, not a doctor ;-)
ttfn, Nicola
---
Nicola Collie
Dunedin, New Zealand
nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz
Landing: a controlled mid-air collision with a planet.
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 98 23:12 BST-1
From: lucydennis@cix.compulink.co.uk (Dennis Collin)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Deliverance report (2/2)
Message-Id: <memo.35061@cix.compulink.co.uk>
In-Reply-To: <Marcel-1.42-0405212656-b07Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
Diva may have a point about your Redemption t-shirts.
I know the Edinburgh Alliance, a B5 fan group, have made themselves some
really nice t-shirts with Shadow ships on. However, they've been very
careful to sell them to paid up members of the group only, because
otherwise the commercial firms who paid Warner Brothers lots of money for
licences to print B5 images on t-shirts might well sue. It's not really a
problem we have much with B7, as no one else is trying to make money out
it.
Lucy
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 23:06:03 +0100
From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
To: "Reuben Herfindahl" <reuben@reuben.net>
Cc: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Good news and bad news
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> >Especially considering that the villain is blatantly Jackie Pearce?
> >
>
> <Smacks self in face> Gawd, I can't believe I didn't catch that right
away!
How could you possibly not catch that? She's described as looking like
Jackie, and I'm sure she refers to herself as "just the girl next door" at
one point (unless it was cut)...
Actually she's only half Servalan, and half my ex - but she's the only
person who'll recognise *that* half!
If ever's there's an audio release, Nick Courtney should be one reader, and
Jackie should be the other...
> Are there any other Blake's 7 references in the books I should be looking
> for? I have to admit to only having read The Dark Path and Face, I
still
> working up to the NA's, I've only been able to find Sanctuary.
There's a reference to the Darklings of 61 Cygni in First Frontier (which
is a double ref- they're identified as Lovecraft's Fungi from Yuggoth!) Guy
in Sanctuary quotes Avon ("As a wise man once said, show me someone who
believes in anything, and I will show you a fool") I forget the page
number. Benny makes a reference to Keezarn as well, and identifies her home
planet as Vandor Prime - which may or may not be in the Vandor
Confederacy... Most of Mission Impractical is set on Vandor Prime, and
mentions that they do have a duelling tradition, and a neighbouring planet
is called Teal Alpha (which may or may not be the centre of the United
Planets Of Teal...)
Oh yeah, and the cop's name in Face Of The Enemy should seem familiar!
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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 23:14:47 GMT
From: kawm@dove.mtx.net.au (Ken Minne)
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] DSV 1 or 2
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Good day all,
On Sat, 04 Apr 98 21:02:12 BST, Patrick wrote:
>On Mon 30 Mar 98 (14:10:31 +0200), blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se wrote:
>> Too bad for Raiker, that they had a leader of Blakes quality aboard,
>> and that the DSV 1 just happened to be hanging around... >;-)
>
>Was that not DSV 2? just out of interest have any stories been written about
>how the ship got there in the first place?
You are right, it was DSV 2, Teach me to post before checking >;-)
While I have not seen any stories of what and why the System was doing
in that battle in Federation space, without the Federation Knowing
anything about it, my pet theories go something like this -
- from an old post of mine about the size of the crew of the
Liberator.
When the London first encountered the Liberator, they had to skirt
around the edges of a fleet action. Since there weren't any known
Federation forces in the area, I hope someone at Space Command got a
rude shock to find out that a couple of battlefleets were duking it
out in Federation Space.
Since it appeared to be a fleet action, I would suggest that
it rules out piracy. If the System can produce ships like the
Liberator, they would hardly need to resort to criminal priracy.
So what was the DSV doing so far from home in the vicinity of
Federation Space?
One possibility was that the System and a secret Federation ( prisoner
transports not being high in the information tree ) fleet were
fighting out an invasion. Since the System seemed to know so little
about the Federation, and vice versa, I think this is unlikely.
A more likely scenario is that the System may have sent out a fleet of
commerce raiders ( nearly piracy ) against a third party ( not the
Federation ), which ended up in Federation space attempting to
outflank the real target. Being in unexplored territory, the DSV
carried enough costuming and currency to to allow the crew to resupply
from neutral planets or do some espionage without appearing out of
place. Unfortunately for the System, the third party intercepted the
corsiars in Federation space and wiped out the crew of the DSV, which
was inherited by Blake and co.
My third scenario was that the DSV was observing a battle between
someones else, investigating power, force levels, that sort of thing
for the System, maybe mopping up a survivor or two when it got too
close to the main action and the crew had to bail out.
Could anyone confirm if any of these have been used already?
Catch you later,
Walter Minne
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 19:44:39 EDT
From: SandSteinr <SandSteinr@aol.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] It's too hot in here for me.
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<sigh> I've been trying to think of a way to say this, but it just keeps
coming out pompous and sorrowful. So -- I hate flame wars. It's been fun,
guys, but enough is enough.
Catch ya later,
Sandy S
<retreating to Space City where the otters are smaller>
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Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 01:05:49 +0100 GMT
From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Response to Diva
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Diva, who is still uwilling to tell us her real name, asked,
again: "Did you ask permission from the Deliverance Concom
to use their name in your publicity?"
As Judith and I have both said, the slogan we used "After
deliverance tis time to seek redemption" on the posters was
done as an amusing slogan and nothing more. We didn't ask
anybody's permission, but I was never under the impression
that you needed to ask somebody's permission to tell a joke. I
spent a lot of time on the Redemption stand (which was the
only place that slogan was displayed by the way) and I saw that
the slogan brought a smile to a lot of people's faces, which is
what it was there to do. As I said before, we were even
complimented by someone involved in the running of
Deliverance.
Diva also said: "People *did* think Redemption was to do with
Deliverance."
I am sure they did. There was always that possibility, and it
would have happened with or without that slogan. We
obviously had to do a big publicity drive at Deliverance because
there is a large overlap in the target audience. This wasn't a
free riding thing. We paid Deliverance money for the ads in the
PR and souvenir brochure, for the flyers in the con pack and for
the table in the dealers room. We don't object to doing that,
after all the money is going to charity, but don't you think it is
just a little bit picky to moan because we used the word
"deliverance" in a jokey slogan on posters that appeared
nowhere apart from on our stand that we had paid for?
Diva said in response to my previous message: "It gives me
hope for your con that someone on the committee is capable of
responding to my comments with grace."
I have to say here that due to the way the digest system works,
the response I sent to your message was done before I had
chance to read some of your later messages (even though they
were sent and received by others on the list before I sent my
message). If I had read your totally uncalled for hate messages
towards Kathryn and Judith I would not have responded so
politely. You say it is common to use a net name to hide one's
identity. Fair enough, except when you use that net name as
barrier from behind which to attack other people with no fear of
recrimination. That is just cowardly.
In a year's time, when Redemption has been and gone, I am
sure there will be people who will post on this list and in other
forums about the things we did wrong or what they wanted to
happen that didn't. I hope there will also be those who tell us of
the good time they had. I also hope and believe that I, and the
other members of the Redemption committee, will have the
good grace to take criticisms on the chin and respond, explain
or apologise as necessary, as I see Judith Rolls doing on this
list. And finally I hope that no-one, no matter how much help
they may put into Redemption, will take it upon themselves to
issue anonymous flames and hate mails to those who do
criticise how Redemption was run. If they do, I for one will
publicly disassociate myself from them. The Deliverance
committee did a tremdous job in giving us an enjoyable
weekend. I want myself and the other members of the
Redemption committee to learn not just from what they did
right but from their few mistakes. If we do half as good a job
I'll be more than pleased.
cheers
Steve Rogerson
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
"The workers united will never be ignited"
Guards! Guards! - Terry Pratchett
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