From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V99 #15 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume99/15 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 15 Today's Topics: Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #305 Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #313 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:19:30 GMT From: "Dita Stanistraken" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #305 Message-Id: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 03:43:48 +0100 (MET) > From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se > Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #305 > To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se > Reply-to: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > ------------------------------ > > Content-Type: text/plain > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 305 > > Today's Topics: > Re: Fwd: [B7L] A New Character > Re: [B7L] Re: ethics > Re: [B7L] "Good and evil > Re: Fwd: [B7L] A New Character > [B7L] Cally's telepathic powers > Fwd: [B7L] A New Character > Re: [B7L] Gan and Avon > Re: [B7L] Re:Servalan tape > RE: [B7L] Cally's telepathic powers > Re: [B7L] A New Character > Re: [B7L] "Good and evil > [B7L] Sula, Servalan, Augustus and cornflakes > [B7L] Times change, people don't > Re: [B7L] Good - Bad - I'm the one with the DSV. > [B7L] Blake's Legend > Re: [B7L] Gan and Avon > Re: [B7L] A New Character > Re: [B7L] "Good and evil > [B7L] The Price of Justice > Re: [B7L] In laws and out laws... > [B7L] oak leaves multiply > Re: [B7L] Cally's telepathic powers > Re: [B7L] "Good and evil > [B7L] SC: The Price of Justice > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:17:15 +1100 > From: Kathryn Andersen > To: "Blake's 7 list" > Subject: Re: Fwd: [B7L] A New Character > Message-ID: <19981210081715.19631@welkin.apana.org.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > On Wed, Dec 09, 1998 at 08:40:10PM +0000, Julia Jones wrote: > > In message <85c41ce6.366db5a6@aol.com>, LordRab@aol.com writes > > >In a message dated 98-12-08 11:15:51 EST, msdelta@magnolia.net writes: > > > > > >>I would like to ask that people put spoiler space or some sort of warning on > > >>posts like these. Not everyone has ready access to the new Voyager or DS9 > > >>episodes and would like a chance to enjoy them without knowing the plot > > >>points in advance. > > > > > >Good Point Lorna...sorry, but I thought it was a rerun, I watch the Star Trek > > >stuff so rarely that I just didn't consider it night be a new episode. I hope > > >we didn't ruin the story for you more than the writers already have. > > > > > Erm... even the reruns in the US may be on before the episode is shown > > on a non-pay channel in other countries. As I know only too well after > > my recent journeying back and forth across the Atlantic. > > Indeed. Australia is often a year behind, for any given US series. > But I wasn't worried about Voyager, because I don't watch it anyway. > > Ah well, at least most of us have seen all the episodes of Blake's 7 - > haven't we? > > Kathryn A. > -=-=-=-=-=- > Law of Type 40 TARDIS location: > You can go anywhere in Time and Space, > as long as it is not where you intended. > -- > _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen > / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat > \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" > v | > ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere > Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 17:50:09 -0800 > From: Pat Patera > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: ethics > Message-ID: <366F28D1.59A@geocities.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Sarah Thompson8@genie.com wrote: > > I do like the fact that moral choices in B7 are seldom cut and dried and can > > often be argued either way, Blake's decision at Star One being the most > > obvious example. I find it interesting that fans so often seem to want to > > disambiguate these situations-- for instance, arguing that Blake was either > > a saint or a monster, as the case may be-- when the ambiguity is the very > > thing that I find interesting. > > > It is human nature to want a clear decision. ie. Is that large animal > going to eat me or not? Do I choose fight or flight? If it weren't for > the many ambiguous situations in the series, hundreds of fanfics would > never have been written. Like an itch wanting to be scratched, the > ambiguous plotlines and unsatisfying conclusions just beg fan writers to > step in and finish the story. > > We can only be glad that Servalan never achieved her quest for total > order. What a dull backdrop an orderly, bureaucratic federation would > make for a dramatic series. > Sample blurb: Coming next week: His coworkers send out for coffee > service when Permits Clerk Tynus get promoted to level GS-4. Don't miss > the next exciting episode of: Civil Servants in Space! > > Pat P > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 20:00:36 -0800 > From: Pat Patera > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Subject: Re: [B7L] "Good and evil > Message-ID: <366F4764.301B@geocities.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Una McCormack wrote: > > Although I like the strong suggestion given in 'Breakdown' from Julian > > Glover's character (Kane?) that Blake and crew are wrong because they are > > trying to destroy the main force for order in the galaxy. This is similar > > to themes explored in 'Star One': whether the destruction of something bad > > is a worse evil than letting it stand, > > This theme was explored on Xena: Warrior Princess. The fates gave her a > chance to live an alternate life free of bloodshed: but after the > initial delight in being a "normal femme" she discovered this world was > overrun with barbarian warlords and people were enslaved and far worse > off than in the world where she had been the wicked warlord, but > basically kept the hordes of them in check. > > Buffy: Vampire Slayer did a similar theme. Cordelia said "I wish Buffy > had never come to Sunnydale!" and a fairy granted her wish. Naturally, > the alternate world was a terrible place, overrun with vampires and > demons and all the good guys gone vamp. > > In Blakes 7, we never got to see what the results would have been had > Star One been destroyed. Perhaps a galaxy overrun by slimy Andromedeans? > Or what if Sulu's coup had succeeded? A worse overlord than Servalan? > > Have other series done this "what if" theme? > > Pat P > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 19:52:30 -0800 > From: Pat Patera > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Subject: Re: Fwd: [B7L] A New Character > Message-ID: <366F457E.28FD@geocities.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > LordRab@aol.com wrote: > > If this were say, the dark ages you could easily be judged in many > > circles as immoral for merely knowing how to read and write instead of staying > > perenially pregnant. > > A good point about standards changing. And I agree with another post (by > ?) that in another few hundred years, the human species may be > sufficiently enlightened to find torture tests conducted on "animals > lower on the food chain than us" to be as morally abhorent as tests > conducted on fellow humans by Nazis, Japanese, Spanish Inquisitors, > Mayans, etc. etc. etc. thoughout humans' barbaric and bloody history. > > I hope that the Blakes7 universe does not come to pass - where Servalan > is still conducting viral experments on humans. (Project Avalon) > > > Anyway, my real point is that we should not waste our time judging at all. > um... no, we do need to judge according to our own hearts - and attempt > to guide others to the right path. I say guide, not coerce, drag, > bludgeon, torture or subject them to "righteous witch tests". Setting a > good example is the all time best way to make your point. A huge part of > Blake's leadership was in his actions, not his words: he would never > send others in where he was not prepared to go himself, and first. > > Pat P > > PS. Rab, Please snip and reply only to the relevant part of a post. It > saves us lots of scrolling. Most of us are pretty good at keeping up > with the list and follow the threads as they weave. We'll remember the > gist of the entire subject you're responding to. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:00:52 EST > From: VulcanXYZ@aol.com > To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Subject: [B7L] Cally's telepathic powers > Message-ID: > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Sorry I am so late responding to this. Is Cally telepathic? It always seemed > obvious to me. Shadow is an excellent example of this. For instance, when > Blake is being cross-examined by the Terra Nostra boss, Blake bluffs and tells > him the Liberator has 4 shuttles. Cally, who is still on the ship while Blake > and others are on the planet, must read his mind and repeat this answer to the > boss. > > One of the really interesting points of this episode is that telepathy is not > without its drawbacks. This is why she is in such danger from the alien that > is using Orac's carrier waves to try and enter their dimension. Indeed, the > alien succeeds in imprisoning Cally, perhaps within her own thoughts. > However, her telepathy saves her in the end as the moondisks bring her out of > this after she is teleported to the planet where they are grown. The > moondisks are also telepathic and give her a feeling of belonging, of not > being alone, which she has missed since leaving Auron. This psychic isolation > has been one of the terrible prices Cally has had to pay for living with plain > humans, and the beautiful moondisks give her a brief respite from this. > Indeed, since she ends up keeping one of them, perhaps she never needs to be > so alone again. > > Now, for Poetic Pat, to whom I promised another poem, here is one based on > this episode, also printed in Gambit 14. > > Moon Disks > > by Cally > translated from the original Auronar by Gail Gawlik > > Shiny, polished pebbles, > Gems upon the sand, > Gather all around me, > Whisper all they can. > Fill my mind with kinship, > Touch me with their love, > Break through isolation > Gently from above. > Now I have the knowledge, > Power to deny, > Stop the evil darkness, > End his evil lies. > Shiny, polished pebble, > Gem upon my hand, > I will keep you with me, > Mem'ries of your land. > > I hoped you liked it, Pat. > Gail G. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:13:52 EST > From: LordRab@aol.com > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Subject: Fwd: [B7L] A New Character > Message-ID: <3b039ce7.366f5890@aol.com> > Content-type: multipart/mixed; > boundary="part0_913266832_boundary" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --part0_913266832_boundary > Content-ID: <0_913266832@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > In a message dated 98-12-09 23:31:20 EST, pussnboots@geocities.com writes: > > > > Rab says:>> Anyway, my real point is that we should not waste our time judging > at all. > Pat replies:>um... no, we do need to judge according to our own hearts - and > attempt > >to guide others to the right path. > > We may all judge according to our hearts but since we can never know all the > facts (ie. walk a mile in another man's shoes) our conclusions are based on an > incomplte picture, which brings us back to Avon's original quote which started > all this: "I rarely comment on the ethics of others". Let your heart judge and > act accordingly but please keep your opinions to yourself. > > Which happily reminds me of another favorite Avon retort (to Vila): > > "It's not your right to an opinion that I object to, it's the fact that you > think we are all entitled to your opinion that is irritating" > > But that's just my opinion. > Rab > > > --part0_913266832_boundary > Content-ID: <0_913266832@inet_out.mail.geocities.com.2> > Content-type: message/rfc822 > Content-disposition: inline > > Return-Path: > Received: from rly-yc03.mx.aol.com (rly-yc03.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.35]) by > air-yc03.mail.aol.com (v53.20) with SMTP; Wed, 09 Dec 1998 23:31:20 > -0500 > Received: from samantha.lysator.liu.se (samantha.lysator.liu.se > [130.236.254.202]) > by rly-yc03.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) > with ESMTP id XAA18991; > Wed, 9 Dec 1998 23:31:13 -0500 (EST) > Received: (from list@localhost) > by samantha.lysator.liu.se (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA05174; > Thu, 10 Dec 1998 05:30:41 +0100 (MET) > Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 05:30:41 +0100 (MET) > X-Authentication-Warning: samantha.lysator.liu.se: list set sender to > blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se using -f > Sender: pussnboots@geocities.com > Message-ID: <366F457E.28FD@geocities.com> > Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 19:52:30 -0800 > From: Pat Patera > Reply-To: pussnboots@geocities.com > X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Subject: Re: Fwd: [B7L] A New Character > References: > Resent-Message-ID: <"Ypa_CB.A.yQB.v50b2"@samantha.lysator.liu.se> > Resent-From: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15507 > X-Loop: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Precedence: list > Resent-Sender: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > LordRab@aol.com wrote: > > If this were say, the dark ages you could easily be judged in many > > circles as immoral for merely knowing how to read and write instead of > staying > > perenially pregnant. > > A good point about standards changing. And I agree with another post (by > ?) that in another few hundred years, the human species may be > sufficiently enlightened to find torture tests conducted on "animals > lower on the food chain than us" to be as morally abhorent as tests > conducted on fellow humans by Nazis, Japanese, Spanish Inquisitors, > Mayans, etc. etc. etc. thoughout humans' barbaric and bloody history. > > I hope that the Blakes7 universe does not come to pass - where Servalan > is still conducting viral experments on humans. (Project Avalon) > > > Anyway, my real point is that we should not waste our time judging at all. > um... no, we do need to judge according to our own hearts - and attempt > to guide others to the right path. I say guide, not coerce, drag, > bludgeon, torture or subject them to "righteous witch tests". Setting a > good example is the all time best way to make your point. A huge part of > Blake's leadership was in his actions, not his words: he would never > send others in where he was not prepared to go himself, and first. > > Pat P > > PS. Rab, Please snip and reply only to the relevant part of a post. It > saves us lots of scrolling. Most of us are pretty good at keeping up > with the list and follow the threads as they weave. We'll remember the > gist of the entire subject you're responding to. > > > > > > --part0_913266832_boundary-- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 21:20:18 +0100 (BST) > From: Judith Proctor > To: Lysator List > Subject: Re: [B7L] Gan and Avon > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > And a second oak leaf goes to Carol McCoy for the following intelligent > observation - > > > I'd agree. He also had a degree of maturity that the others lacked. > > > > > He was competent and dependable. It was Gan who ended up in the leadership > > position when the London's prisoners were dumped on Cygnus Alpha. I > > especially liked the quiet way he assumed that responsibility. > > Judith > -- > http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 > > Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention > 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent > http://www.smof.com/redemption/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 21:29:37 +0100 (BST) > From: Judith Proctor > To: Lysator List > Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:Servalan tape > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > On Wed 09 Dec, Steve Rogerson wrote: > > Pat asked re the Jacqueline Pearce in conversation tape: "Steve could > > you look see if it has an identifiying marks -smile- so that we > > OutWorlders might possibly get one - or - a thought- is it the same one > > you have advertised on your page Judith?" > > > > It gives the address: Maximum Power, 26 Chalsey Road, Brockley, London > > SE4 1YW > > > > I don't know who else is selling it, but I expect Horizon is. > > From what I've heard, he can be pretty slow mailing the tapes out. (Possibly > due to work or whatever) I'm indecisive as to whether to remove the data from > my web page or not, but I am reluctant to do currency conversion for Australians > on this one simply because I can't be sure when things will arrive. > > If anyone who has ordered one recently can tell me how quickly it appeared, I'd > appreciate knowing. Things may have improved. > > I'm still happy to do Australian orders (via Pat) for anything sold by Horizon, > Avon and Sheelagh Wells. > > For new list members, this is a free service that Pat and I run to allow > Australians order stuff from the UK without having to pay currency conversion > charges. You still get landed with air mail costs and the lousey exchange rate, > but you don't have to pay to convert your money as well. (I appreciate it if > you order something from me at the same time, but it isn't compulsory) > > Judith > -- > http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 > > Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention > 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent > http://www.smof.com/redemption/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:39:30 +-100 > From: Jacqueline Thijsen > To: "Blakes7@lysator.liu.se" > Subject: RE: [B7L] Cally's telepathic powers > Message-ID: <01BE2420.FFE1E3E0@cmg71700449> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Gail G. wrote: > > >Sorry I am so late responding to this. Is Cally telepathic? It always >seemed > >obvious to me. Shadow is an excellent example of this. For instance, >when > >Blake is being cross-examined by the Terra Nostra boss, Blake bluffs >and tells > >him the Liberator has 4 shuttles. Cally, who is still on the ship while >Blake > >and others are on the planet, must read his mind and repeat this >answer to the boss. > > Cally didn't read his mind. She told him telepathically to say her name when she reached the right number and then started counting (still in Blake's head). Blake obligingly did so when she reached f> > Jacqueline > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:54:54 +0000 (GMT) > From: Una McCormack > To: Lysator > Subject: Re: [B7L] A New Character > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Kathryn Andersen said: > > >Why not? They happen to be the only standards you have, the ones you > >have now. It makes just as much sense to say that what is wrong in > >one age is right in another as to say that what is wrong on a Tuesday > >is right on a Monday. > > Sorry, can't agree with that one. Times change, mores change (or, at > least, *acceptability* changes). And what one person says is right on a > Monday, *another* person will say is wrong on the same Monday. > > However, I *would* agree that the standards you have now are the only ones > that you can work from. I wouldn't necessarily use them as a means of > judging what happened in the past. > > > > >Surely a vegetarian who is one for moral reasons, thinks that animals > >suffered just as much when eaten in the 12th century as they do now, and > >therefore it is just as wrong to do, no matter when in history you happen > >to be. If he had been transported back in time to the 12th century, he > >wouldn't suddenly start eating meat, would he? > > Maybe for a while. Maybe food shortages and the reality of famine might > make her willing to eat anything. > > I think it's (probably) meaningless to talk about vegetarianism in a 12th > century context (but I haven't carried out a social history and I don't > know of one). Vegetarianism is a moral stance taken these days in > a situation of relative wealth which enables people to make more specific > choices about how they lead their lives. I don't know if what we would > describe these days as vegetarianism (i.e., as you put it, moral reasons > surrounding cruelty to animals) would necessarily be meaningful. I'm sure > you would find people who didn't eat meat. I don't necessarily think that > the rationales for this behaviour would be the same as the ones we have > now. > > > Una > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:11:36 GMT > From: mjsmith@tcd.ie (Murray) > To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Subject: Re: [B7L] "Good and evil > Message-Id: <199812101111.LAA25850@dux1.tcd.ie> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Dear Pat P, > > You gave examples from 'Xena: Warrior Princess' and 'Buffy the > Vampire Slayer' about a "what if" theme, and wondered if there were any > other series who deal with this. One example that springs to mind is 'Star > Trek', in the original series episode 'City at the Edge of Forever'. (I > always thought it sounded like a B7 episode!) In that episode, McCoy, who > has (by accident) becomes stoned on a powerful drug, beams down onto a > strange planet, and goes back in time thanks to a strange device, changing > history, the result being the disappearance of the Enterprise. Kirk, Spock, > and the other crew who beamed down after him, have to go back in the same > time to change things, and find out the incident that McCoy intervegned in. > > Yours, > > Murray > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 03:49:38 PST > From: "Rob Clother" > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Subject: [B7L] Sula, Servalan, Augustus and cornflakes > Message-ID: <19981210114939.4803.qmail@hotmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Pat: > > >Or what if Sulu's coup had succeeded? A worse overlord than Servalan? > > If Sula had connections with the old High Council, you could say her > coup did succeed, eventually. Although Sula herself probably wasn't too > concerned with events by the time Servalan was deposed. > > The power struggle between Servalan, the old president and the High > Council is one of the most absorbing threads in B7. It is much bigger, > and much more important, than anything Blake and his rabble get up to. > Watching the dialogue between Servalan and Joban in Hostage, we get the > impression that Blake and the Liberator are pawns in this game. Worried > about Servalan's ambition, the president is using Blake as an excuse to > reorganise Space Command, and replace the troublesome supreme commander. > > I wonder what would have happened if an enlightened despot had taken the > presidency some time after the Pylene-50 era. From the dialogue in > "Orbit", it's clear that Servalan has her sights set on the presidency, > but without Space Command behind her she'd have her work cut out the > second time around. Perhaps a very different character would have been > able to seize the presidency -- some kind of Augustus figure, for > example. > > But then again, maybe that would be a crappy idea. We wouldn't want our > crew to be out of a job, would we? By the end of the fourth series, > they're almost insignificant anyway. Tarrant remarks, "There's still a > price on our heads from the old days," as if the Federation have, by > then, got better things to outlaw than small fry like them. After all, > it's Blake the troopers are after at the very end: bagging Avon and his > crew was like getting a freebie out of a cornflakes packet. > > -- Rob > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 04:06:53 PST > From: "Rob Clother" > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Subject: [B7L] Times change, people don't > Message-ID: <19981210120653.10697.qmail@hotmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Una: > > >I think it's (probably) meaningless to talk about vegetarianism in a > >12th century context (but I haven't carried out a social history and > >I don't know of one). Vegetarianism is a moral stance taken these > >days in a situation of relative wealth which enables people to make > >more specific choices about how they lead their lives. I don't know > >if what we would describe these days as vegetarianism (i.e., as you > >put it, moral reasons surrounding cruelty to animals) would > >necessarily be meaningful. I'm sure > > All of which forms a powerful argument for saying that an individual's > morality should be judged according to his circumstances, his > opporunities and his level of education. Not the same thing, however, > as judging him in the context of his birth date. > > Also, societies can and should be judged against other societies -- not > necessarily contemporaneous ones, either. If one society offers women > and men equal rights and responsibilities, it is, in that respect, > morally superior to a society that offers its women, and, by extension, > its men, little or no choice in deciding their own destiny. > There may, of course, be mitigating circumstances, but "They're all dead Dita, President and Supreme Commander of the Terran Federation. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:20:30 GMT From: "Dita Stanistraken" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #313 Message-Id: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 04:21:42 +0100 (MET) > From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se > Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #313 > To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se > Reply-to: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > ------------------------------ > > Content-Type: text/plain > > blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 313 > > Today's Topics: > Re: [B7L] UNCUT > Re: [B7L] worst cast > [B7L] B7: Another most incompatible cast > Re: [B7L] UNCUT > [B7L] Re: worst cast > [B7L] Re:uncut > [B7L] B7L UK TV Monday > Re: [B7L] What does 'Duel' Tell Us... > [B7L] Watching the detectives > [B7L] Over the Moon > Re: [B7L] 'Duel'... > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:06:38 -0000 > From: "Dangermouse" > To: "cj" , > Subject: Re: [B7L] UNCUT > Message-Id: <199812200113.BAA28955@gnasher.sol.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > Looking at mt collection of Blakes 7 vidos, I see that a most of the > > videos say "Contains 2 complete unedited episodes". Can anyone tell me > > exactly which episodes in the series have been edited and what exactly > > has been removed from them? > > AFAIK the only cut of the 26-tape set was of Avon clapping his hands over > the guard's ears in the fight in the computer room in Space Fall. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:32:50 -0000 > From: "Neil Faulkner" > To: "lysator" > Subject: Re: [B7L] worst cast > Message-ID: <000201be2bc3$1add9960$8918ac3e@default> > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > >> Music by - Devo > > > I do hope, 'Psycho', that you are implying that the sound of the mighty > Devo is merely inappropriate for a B7 movie, because some people out here > happen to like them rather a lot. (And while I'm at it, Reuben, the B52s > might be crap now but Rock Lobster was and still is the proverbial biz.) > > Anyway, wouldn't a real B7 movie have to have music by the Fun Lovin' > Criminals? > > Hey, who needs religion and politics when there's music? > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:02:47 +0800 > From: "Fleur A Johnstone" > To: > Subject: [B7L] B7: Another most incompatible cast > Message-Id: <199812200815.TAA29240@mail.mel.aone.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Hi everyone, I wish all a very merry christmas. While in the UK, you'll be > having a cold one, for us here in Oz it will be warm. The w/bureau are > predicting around 33 degrees. > > There has been interesting input on casts for for a B7 movie, specially > Neil's idea of having Rick Moranis for Blake (would you have him wear > glasses or contacts?) and Pat's Gan being Sly Stallone (would he do > anything other than grunt and/or shoot?)! Here is another alterative: > > B7 The Motion Picture - Back to Horizon > > The Cast most likely to be incompatible are: > Blake - Antonio Banderas - for that exotic touch - he would have an eye > for Jenna and Cally if they were interested! > Avon - Kevin Spacey (plays the classic deadpan and/or psycho roles > brilliantly. Does everyone remember his part in "Seven"?) > Gan - Andre the Giant (remember him in his "Giant" role in The Princess > Bride?)He would be the classic gentle giant. > Villa - Jerry Seinfeld (to throw the cat amongst the pigeons) > Cally - Cher (Beauty, brains and the psychic look. This could mark her > current comeback) > Jenna - Kate Winslett (the young beauty interest) > Servalan - Melanie Griffith (but she'd have to change her hair colour and > style to something drastic - like a green mohawk!) > Zen - Brian Ferry or David Essex - for a soothing voice with intellect. > Travis - Stephen Tompkinson (from Drop the Dead Donkey where he is well > known for his ruthlessness, lack of regard for other's safety etc - watch > out Gerry!) > > With the above cast how long do you think it would take for each to get on > the others nerves?? Not very long....... There would be some rather > amusing and entertaining moments though. > > Regards, Fleur. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:06:38 +0000 > From: Julia Jones > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Subject: Re: [B7L] UNCUT > Message-ID: > > In message <199812200113.BAA28955@gnasher.sol.co.uk>, Dangermouse > writes > >> Looking at mt collection of Blakes 7 vidos, I see that a most of the > >> videos say "Contains 2 complete unedited episodes". Can anyone tell me > >> exactly which episodes in the series have been edited and what exactly > >> has been removed from them? > > > >AFAIK the only cut of the 26-tape set was of Avon clapping his hands over > >the guard's ears in the fight in the computer room in Space Fall. > > > The tape of Rescue is allegedly uncut, but in fact is different to the > broadcast version. It's missing a second or two at the end of the scene > where Vila trips over the gun while drinking from the bottle - and it's > that second or two that make it quite clear that Vila has to decide > between rescuing his friends, and crawling into the bottle, and > seriously considers crawling into the bottle... The final scene after > the monster is killed is quite different to the broadcast version, and > is obviously a different take, not just minor differences in editing. > Broadcast has a continuous pan around from Dayna bending over the young > man to the group by the stairs, and Soolin, standing at the back of the > group, looks around at them before sneaking up the stairs. The tape has > a cut from Dayna to the group, with no sign of Soolin. This doesn't make > it clear that Soolin doesn't trust the existing group and has sneaked > off to hide somewhere. > -- > Julia Jones > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 12:37:09 +0100 > From: Steve Rogerson > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Subject: [B7L] Re: worst cast > Message-ID: <367CE162.C0370FD@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Pat said: > > > Roj Blake.........................William Shatner > > The trouble is, if they did make a B7 movie, that could well be the > case. > > Reuben suggested: > > > Cally - Claudia Christian > > What's wrong with that, it could work. > > > Written by - Terrance Dicks > > Arrgh! No. Get thee behind me Satan > -- > cheers > Steve Rogerson > > Redemption 99: The Blakes 7 and Babylon 5 convention > 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Ashford, Kent > http://www.smof.com/redemption/ > > "Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell" > Star Wars > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 12:55:35 +0100 > From: Steve Rogerson > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Subject: [B7L] Re:uncut > Message-ID: <367CE5B4.4A293C09@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Chris asked: "Looking at mt collection of Blakes 7 vidos, I see that a > most of the > videos say "Contains 2 complete unedited episodes". Can anyone tell me > exactly which episodes in the series have been edited and what exactly > has been removed from them?" > > The strangest one comes from Space Fall. In the computer room scene > where Avon attacks the guy, the final punch is edited out. It is > strange, because in the video The Beginning, which is a heavily edited > version of the early episodes, that scene is complete. > -- > cheers > Steve Rogerson > > Redemption 99: The Blakes 7 and Babylon 5 convention > 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Ashford, Kent > http://www.smof.com/redemption/ > > "Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell" > Star Wars > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 12:59:54 -0000 > From: "Debra Collard" > To: "B7L" > Subject: [B7L] B7L UK TV Monday > Message-ID: <000401be2c1f$b5673200$6b12883e@whisson1globalnet.co.uk> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE2C18.A37A6FA0" > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE2C18.A37A6FA0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Harriet Monkhouse mentions that Clive James is taking a wry view of tv = > sci fi on Monday night on the UK ITV at 10pm. > > According to my tv schedule pages Clive will be taking a special look at = > his favourite sci fi- Blakes 7, but doesn't mention guests. As I usually = > (well always) miss anything interesting on the tv it's great to have = > advance warning. Thank you. > > Debra Collard > > ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE2C18.A37A6FA0 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > >
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> > ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE2C18.A37A6FA0-- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 12:15:28 +0100 (BST) > From: Judith Proctor > To: Lysator List > Subject: Re: [B7L] What does 'Duel' Tell Us... > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII > > On Fri 18 Dec, Penny Dreadful wrote: > > Judith said: > > > > > Or to put it another way, he wanted human contact as much as sex. > > > > Okay. I assume sex is an undercurrent in any male/female interaction, > > until proven otherwise. > > I don't, perhaps because I have many male friends whom I intereact with on a > totally non-sexual level. There's an undercurrent there with a few friends, but > they're in a minority. > > > >> I think he felt isolated from, and (psychologically) threatened by, > > >> normal people even when he was physically "normal". I think he felt > > more > > >> empathy for the mental processes of mutoids than he did for those of > > >> normal people. > > > > > >Possibly. But why? > > > > Because normal people's minds tend to be convoluted conglomerations of > > wants and fears and dreams (of varying grandiosity levels) of wealth, > > love, power, pleasure; not to mention maintenance of various > > social/familial relationships. Travis doesn't appear to suffer from such > > complications, and he can't understand people who do. For instance he > > always seems surprised to see what's going on in Servalan's head, and he > > does not like to be surprised. Mutoids, on the other hand, don't have > > Ulterior Motives. Travis can predict their behaviour, more or less, they > > probably won't surprise him. > > Interesting, I never thought Servalan surprised him that much. They recognised > one another's ruthless streak. I did catch occasional undercurrents (especially > early on) between Travis and Servalan, but then Servalan managed to introduce a > sexual element to almost every since interaction. > > I think Travis lost his ability to read Servalan as time went by. He became > more fanatic and inward looking and she respected him less. > > Judith > > PS. For anyone who hasn't already heard it, I highly recommend 'Travis The > Final Act'. It's an audio tape containing interviews with both actors who > played Travis and also the script editor and it's very interesting. It gives a > balanced look at the character and his background and includes relevent clips > from the series to illustrate points being discussed. > > It was written by Alan Stevens, produced by Alistair Locke and is available from > Horizon. > > -- > http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 > > Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention > 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent > http://www.smof.com/redemption/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 14:21:06 PST > From: "Joanne MacQueen" > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Subject: [B7L] Watching the detectives > Message-ID: <19981220222107.1971.qmail@hotmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Hello all, and Neil Faulkner in particular > > Neil, just in case you haven't been informed of this already, Luke > Thanet is the name Dorothy Simpson gave to her police detective. He has > a daughter who likes Blake's 7. We are given this information as an > explanation for his mental description of a minor character in "Puppet > for a corpse" as looking like a younger version of Servalan. > There are some who may not care for this description - there can be only > one Servalan, after all, and I strongly suspect that thou shalt have no > other Servalans (along the lines of the Ten Commandments). > > Now that I think of it, that subject line sounds more like a reference > to the late Trooper Par and his colleagues at Sun Hill. > > Julia Jones said: >Some of us quite enjoyed the none-too-subtle BUARA > scene in that book... > > Oh. Something to look forward to, then (?!?!?). All I've done so far is > flick through some pages rather quickly. Unfortunately, some of the > minor characters' names that I saw brought strange images to mind. Dr > David Zukan, for instance. He, of course, will be dressed in grey, and > have a bright orange topknot for a hairdo. That should impress his > clients no end There is another character called Jarvik, for whom > no image whatsoever comes to mind but, if reading the list's archives > gives any indication, he must be a very manly man indeed! > > Harriet said: >but all I can remember is that I couldn't get any > >mushrooms. > > Ah, I forgot about those. Not that what David Jackson eats has a > direct correlation to what Gan eats, of course. > > Time to do something else, lest I find myself draped with tinsel (and, > therefore, at risk of looking like some piece of circuitry from > "Timelash" ). > > Regards > Joanne > > The tree ferns in green gullies sway, the cool stream flows silently by > The joy bells are greeting the day, and the chimes are adrift in the sky > --second verse of the previously mentioned carol. > (It isn't lovely weather for a sleigh ride, and I'm not dreaming of a > White Christmas. Consistent sunshine, instead of consistent humidity and > threat of rain, would do nicely right now.) > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:12:00 -0500 > From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> > To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" > Subject: [B7L] Over the Moon > Message-ID: <199812201912_MC2-6442-5FD@compuserve.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Una kindly offered: > >I now have digital TV. Anyone offering bribes for the 'Over the Moon' > video? > > Wow, you managed to find a decoder in a shop? > > Perhaps you could bring a video to Redemption? > > Harriet > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:20:05 PST > From: "Penny Dreadful" > To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Duel'... > Message-ID: <19981221032005.19287.qmail@hotmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Prurient Penny penned: > > >>I assume sex is an undercurrent in any male/female interaction > > and Judith said: > > >I don't, perhaps because I have many male friends whom I intereact with > on a > >totally non-sexual level. > > *Totally*? Well - maybe I've inadvertently absorbed too much Freud. Or > Desmond Morris. Sometimes a machete is just a machete, eh? > > >I never thought Servalan surprised him that much. They recognised > >one another's ruthless streak. > > Yes, but his ruthlessness is generally of the neat-and-tidy kind, > efficiency. Like (arguably) a machine (I swear I will at some future > point construct a coherent and seamless argument vis a vis Travis's > machineliness). Servalan's desires, and her schemes, are murkier, much > more complex. So he identifies with her ruthlessness, but this doesn't > mean he can predict her behaviour. > > >I did catch occasional undercurrents (especially > >early on) between Travis and Servalan, but then Servalan managed to > introduce a > >sexual element to almost every since interaction. > > The tramp! > > >I think Travis lost his ability to read Servalan as time went by. He > became > >more fanatic and inward looking and she respected him less. > > She bent and bashed her toy until it broke, and then it wasn't fun to > play with any more. How seasonally apropos. > > -- Penny "Don't blame me, Doc, you're the one who keeps drawing dirty > pictures" Dreadful > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > -------------------------------- > End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #313 > ************************************** > Dita, President and Supreme Commander of the Terran Federation. -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V99 Issue #15 *************************************