From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V99 #212 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume99/212 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 212 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Servalan [B7L] RE : B7 on ebay [B7L] video #21 [B7L] Holland [B7L] The estimable Jarriere [B7L] Cally [B7L] Re: Servalan Re: [B7L] Servalan Re: [B7L] The estimable Jarriere Re: [B7L] Servalan Re: [B7L] Servalan Re: [B7L] RE : B7 on ebay Re: [B7L] The estimable Jarriere [B7L] web pages moving Re: [B7L] Servalan [B7L] Jenna and Tarrant (Was Servalan) [B7L] Re: Voice from the Past (was Servalan) [B7L] The estimable Jarriere [B7L] Jenna (was Servalan) Tarrant and his crewmates (was Re: [B7L] Servalan) Re: [B7L] Re: Servalan Re: [B7L] Cally (was Servalan) Re: [B7L] Cally (was Servalan) Re: [B7L] Re: Soolin (was Servalan) Re: [B7L] Ben Steed the misogynist (was: Servalan) Re: [B7L] Re: Soolin (was Servalan) Re: [B7L] The estimable Jarriere Re: [B7L] Servalan Re: [B7L] Servalan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 00:03:28 +0200 From: Steve Kilbane To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Servalan Message-Id: <199907082303.AAA20017@whitecrow.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > [Cally] also displays a > certain stupidity in Seek-Locate-Destroy (turning her head and letting > someone overpower her), Well, yes. As far as keeping control over your hostages goes, lining them up and waiting for them to rush you isn't the best method. In fairness, though, the federation guard does exactly the same thing. steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 05:11:18 +0200 (MET DST) From: Carol & Gordon Burgess To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] RE : B7 on ebay Message-ID: <377B1A3600001F51@base.catchnet.com.au> (added by base.catchnet.com.au) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I had a look at a couple of the listings for B7 items ( 19 in total ) and noticed the following two books MINT! Blakes 7 Interview Book Item #126274468 MINT! Blakes 7 Compendium Book Item #126274400 both are B7 and Dr Who books BTW.. Anyway what I was wondering was if anyone had read the full description section.. The dealer included this in the section: " Thank you! Send $1.00 to obtain a copy of our 192 page illustrated catalog of Sci-Fi TV and movie related products to: Star Tech, PO Box 456EB, Dunlap, TN 37327-0456. See our website at http://www.startechenterprises.com" Was there not some controversy between this company and many members of the B7 fandom community? Something to do with bootlegging, I think? Please correct me if I am wrong I just have a vague memory of someone warning me against them? Just wanted to know before I go and bid on anything of theirs.. Also can anyone tell me about these books? He presently wants US $15.00 each for them, but as yet there are no bids pending.. thanks Carol 'Hondo' At 08:18 AM 7/8/99 EDT, you wrote: >Oddly enough, you can often judge the popularity of something by the numer of >items relating to it, being offered on eBay. There are about 16 different >auctions for B7-related material currently going on. Here's a link to check >them out, in case there's anything of interest you'd like to view. >Leah > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:24:19 +0100 From: Robinson Paula To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" Subject: [B7L] video #21 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain Julie said: >Has anyone come across Video No 21 yet? Only the >release dates on Horizon say 5th July but our nearest >HMV, which is usually pretty prompt, has not got them >in yet. Hi - I asked Diane about this and she says the release date has been put back to 5th August. 22 and 23 still on course for 5th September as far as she knows, but things can change, obviously. She also said that anyone ordering from Horizon by 28th July should get their Tape 21 on the release date - see the Horizon merchandise pages on the website www.horizon.org.uk under the sub heading 'videos' or email her at diane@horizon.org.uk if you have any queries. Paula ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:41:32 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: "lysator" Subject: [B7L] Holland Message-ID: <005d01beca00$0cf22880$0d01a8c0@hedge> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone give me the new URL for the Barbara Paul site? I forgot to update my address book, and now I've got hold of some of the books I'd like to take a look through it again. Una http://www.q-research.connectfree.co.uk/personal/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 05:10:20 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] The estimable Jarriere Message-ID: <19990709121034.58973.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Mistral asked: Jarriere, my darling Jarriere!!! Harriet, this is *our* area, isn't it? Though I may have a problem answering this, because my interest in Servalan is tepid at best, but I have to admit that her scenes with Jarriere are some of my favourites. For the unworthy reason that she seems so much more *human* trying not to lose her temper and commit serious assault on this impossible (if adorable) little man than she does as the (to me) mildly dull Supreme Commander, or in her irritating relationship with the 3rd/4th season crew (I yield to no one in my love for the Bad-Tempered One, but I'm bored by Avon & Servalan stuff.) I adore Jarriere for much the same reason I like Rashel (oh, and besides the fact that he's sweet and does try *so* hard, poor baby, to follow Servalan's twisted plotting. And fails so gloriously). These are ordinary people, in a cast full of cut-glass brilliance. The entire regular cast have to be called remarkable people - even Vila is superb at lock-picking, theiving and one-liners, even Gan is extraordinary in his physical and moral strength. As for the rest of them - well, one has to say that both Blake and Avon had amazing luck in picking up these brilliant (if decidedly difficult) crew members. And they're a rather spectacular pair themselves (IMHO). People like - well, me - would hardly survive two days on the Liberator (if I was *lucky*. And Avon was somewhere else.) As for surviving ten minutes in Servalan's poisonous presence... But Jarriere - who is out of his depth in a baby's bath, let alone this deadly universe - manages to drive the Supreme Commander up the wall with precision (if endearingly guileless) ease, and gets away with it. The first time I watched the episode, I was waiting for her to turn around and slug him, at the very least. Certainly, there's something odd about the way she keeps patiently explaining everything to him, instead of just snarling orders for what he is needed to do and then telling him to *just do it*. (Let no one cry 'much-needed exposition'!!!) I cannot see the woman doing this for anyone else I can think of...she is not one to suffer fools gladly, or at all. But she does suffer Jarriere (if not at all gladly. I do enjoy the gritted teeth aspect of her dialogue). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 22:29:38 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Cally Message-ID: <19990517.222940.10262.1.Rilliara@juno.com> I know I'm being a little gross, but has anyone ever done a story about Cally dealing with being a sole survivor from an entire planet not once, but twice? And both died of plague (talk about combat flashbacks). I just got to thinking of all she went through when the Federation killed those rebels with their plague. Was she with a small group, not realizing till after they were dead and she tried to contact others that the whole planet had been killed? Was she with a large group, working herself ragged to care for the huge number of sick and dying as all the other caregivers contracted the disease? What about burials afterward? Was she able to do anything for the dead or did she have to deal with the guilt of leaving them to the elements? Of course, this would be a much more interesting question if the writers had ever dealt with it. Unless some of what the alien in Shadow did to her had to do with an overwhelming fear of being alone (and the moondiscs helped her cope with it?). Ellynne ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 22:15:30 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Servalan Message-ID: <19990517.222101.10262.0.Rilliara@juno.com> On Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:19:57 EDT AdamWho@aol.com writes: > >I hate Voice from the Past, Travis with that hideous French accent, He was doing an accent? And all this time I thought he was just trying to sound like someone who'd lost his mouth and was speaking through a bandage. It wasn't very convincing that way, either. By the way, was I the only one waiting for someone to wonder why he wore his eyeball outside the bandages? You'd think one of them would have been suspicious at that point. Ellynne ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 13:57:59 -0700 From: Pat Patera To: B7 Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Servalan Message-ID: <378510D7.F4471593@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Una McCormack wrote: re: > Adam wrote: > > I think Servalan, in a formal and platform shoes, could probably kill an > > entire army. > > Hmm. So the best way for Blake to have conquered the Federation was to > somehow have coaxed Servie into flared jeans, white stilettos ... no, The best way would have been for Blake to gussie up in formal tux and wing tips. With a pink carnation in his lapel, of course. -- Pat ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 09:31:35 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] The estimable Jarriere Message-ID: <378623E6.383C1910@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally Manton wrote: > Though I may have a problem answering this, because my > interest in Servalan is tepid at best, but I have to admit that > her scenes with Jarriere are some of my favourites. Shouldn't be a problem; I'm mainly interested in what's going on in *his* head, and why she puts up with him. What you've said has been quite helpful so far. > (I yield to > no one in my love for the Bad-Tempered One, but I'm bored by Avon & Servalan > stuff.) (aside) Well, here's something we don't have to argue about ;) Although for me, it veers perilously close to peevedom occasionally. > People like - well, me - would hardly survive two > days on the Liberator (if I was *lucky*. And Avon was > somewhere else.) Nah. Anybody on this list would be treated like royalty as soon as they pointed out how to use Orac effectively. (Well, assuming they did it gently enough to avoid making Avon feel like an idiot.) > As for surviving ten minutes in Servalan's > poisonous presence... Borrow Avon's gun and shoot the b****. > But Jarriere - who is out of his depth in a baby's bath, let > alone this deadly universe - manages to drive the Supreme > Commander up the wall with precision (if endearingly > guileless) ease, and gets away with it. Yes! Yes! But what I'm trying to figure out is WHY??? Reasons I've considered: 1) He's a relative of hers. 2) He's a relative of somebody she needs to keep happy. 3) He's some sort of savant (in what field, I can't imagine.) 4) He has, um, er, how shall I say, hidden talents? (Although I find this unlikely; why would she have put up with him long enough to find out?) And is he as slow-witted as he seems? Or are we to think of him as normal so that she looks brilliant? Or perhaps he's feigning the airhead bit? But why? Thoughts? ??? Mistral -- "We all have something to hide, and we all have something to tell; we all have a secret name; we all have a secret question-- one question that unlocks our heart."--Galen, 'Crusade' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 08:11:49 -0700 From: Pat Patera To: B7 Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Servalan Message-ID: <37861135.F6684AB3@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit S Riaz wrote: > > I'm amazed so many fans hated Servalan! well I adore "my Steel Queen" >Surely Servalan's image was EVERYWHERE. yes, very very silly, for the Empress of the Galaxy to go into disguise in a black gown. > How she thought nobody would recognise her was absurd. But nobody did! :-D Now that was a plot hole you could fly a starship through! > Actually, I read a similar story about Cally. Jan Chappell was supposed to wear > coloured contact lenses - to look more 'alien', but found them too uncomfortable. They should have painted her green. Oh, that didn't even work on Mr. Spock, despite all those references to "green blooded alien," he was just as pink as we. > I guess her alien disguise was to look spaced out sometimes! And to be skinnier than humanly possible! > As for Blake actually winning the rebellion ... > They were doomed to failure - success was impossible. Better to light a single candle than to curse the darkness. > I agree that Jenna had little to return to the Liberator for. ... > Seeing her and Tarrant together would > have been fun though - she would have put him in his place! Not if the script writers had anything to say about it. :-( Pessimistic Pat P http://www.geocities.com/area51/1707 ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 02:00:42 EDT From: AdamWho@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Servalan Message-ID: <714f9963.24b6ea0a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-07-08 18:11:56 EDT, t.riaz@virgin.net writes: << Actually, I read a similar story about Cally. Jan Chappell was supposed to wear coloured contact lenses - to look more 'alien', but found them too uncomfortable. I guess her alien disguise was to look spaced out sometimes! >> I'm glad she took a stand and refused to wear them. Cally's appearance resembled a human, but she was never the same as a human on the inside, which Jan Chappell always did a very good job of showing. She didn't need the help of coloured contact lenses. <> I'd love to see her threatening to throw him off the Liberator if he didn't do something when she asked him to. He probably wouldn't like taking what he dished out to Vila. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 22:15:14 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] RE : B7 on ebay Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Fri 09 Jul, Carol & Gordon Burgess wrote: > I had a look at a couple of the listings for B7 items ( 19 in total ) and > noticed the following two books > MINT! Blakes 7 Interview Book Item #126274468 > MINT! Blakes 7 Compendium Book Item #126274400 > both are B7 and Dr Who books BTW.. > > Anyway what I was wondering was if anyone had read the full description > section.. > The dealer included this in the section: > > " Thank you! Send $1.00 to obtain a copy of our 192 page illustrated catalog of > Sci-Fi TV and movie related products to: Star Tech, PO Box 456EB, Dunlap, > TN 37327-0456. See our website at http://www.startechenterprises.com" > > Was there not some controversy between this company and many members of the > B7 fandom community? Something to do with bootlegging, I think? > Please correct me if I am wrong I just have a vague memory of someone > warning me against them? That sounds like the guy who pirated Horizon's zines. The name matches. > Just wanted to know before I go and bid on anything of theirs.. > Also can anyone tell me about these books? I wonder if that's the Horizon interview book. Needless to say, that'll be cheaper bought from Horizon. > He presently wants US $15.00 each for them, but as yet there are no bids > pending.. 'compendium' could mean almost anything. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 22:11:19 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] The estimable Jarriere Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Fri 09 Jul, mistral@ptinet.net wrote: > > > But Jarriere - who is out of his depth in a baby's bath, let > > alone this deadly universe - manages to drive the Supreme > > Commander up the wall with precision (if endearingly > > guileless) ease, and gets away with it. > > Yes! Yes! But what I'm trying to figure out is WHY??? Because he fulfills the same role as the medieval fool. Sometimes it is useful to have someone whose status is so low that they can say the unsayable and not worry about losing face. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 08:00:58 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: JMDG James Morrison Discussion Group List , "Blake's 7 list" Subject: [B7L] web pages moving Message-ID: <19990710080058.C12049@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anyone who was pointing to my Neutral Zone report or any of my other convention reports, I have removed all my stuff from GeoCities due to the intellectual property theft clause in the new Yahoo contract. (Okay, I exaggerate, but "perpetual" and "irrevocable" is something up with which I will not put.) Yeah, I had to sign the contract in order to get access to my stuff in order to remove it, but unless they are trawling through last weeks backup tapes in order to steal things, they're sunk, because what's on my Yahoo-GeoCities page *now* isn't worth stealing. Everything has been moved over to Connexus (see URL in .sig below) which was always my primary home page anyway. The only exception is the Refractions #1 and #2 PDF files, which have been removed altogether, because there isn't enough room on connexus for them. The convention reports are at http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat/events The Babylon 5 page is at http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat/b5 If there are any broken links as a result of the move, let me know. I think I covered everything, but I might have missed something. -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:13:45 EDT From: Mac4781@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Servalan Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adam wrote: > I'd love to see her threatening to throw him off the Liberator if he didn't > do something when she asked him to. He probably wouldn't like taking what he > > dished out to Vila. Since Jenna wouldn't ask someone to do anything that didn't need done and since Tarrant never objected to doing his share of work, the above scenario is about as likely as Servalan resigning from the Presidency so that she could enter a nunnery. What's far more likely is that Jenna and Tarrant would get along quite well. They are both industrious, bright, responsible, and a nice blend of idealism and pragmaticism. I think Liberator would have been a more efficiently run ship with the two of them to form an alliance of exceptionally talented pilots. Fans may not like Tarrant, but transferring that dislike to B7 characters is quite a stretch of the imagination. There was never any indication that Tarrant's shipmates share fans' loathing. In fact, Blake barely knew him but was ready to recruit him for his cause. There is no reason to presume Jenna wouldn't like Tarrant. She got along with shipmates who had at least as many flaws as Tarrant does. Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 18:41:30 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Jenna and Tarrant (Was Servalan) Message-ID: <19990710014136.38328.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Adam wrote: Errr....Jenna and which army? Just who would *back* her in this? I don't even think Blake would, since I'm inclined to think that he'd expect them to work it out between themselves if they had problems (he's got his hands full managing Avon and Vila, thank you). Carol Mc wrote: I tend to think they'd develop - over time - a cool but efficient working relationship. With glitches - I *do* think there'd be a sizable element of possessiveness there on both sides (but nothing compared to what would have happened if another *computer expert* had turned up on the Liberator. Ouch!!!) They're both also headstrong and stubborn, and used to very different styles of working. (My own feeling is, had Tarrant been on Blake's ship, I can see *them* getting along quite well for the most part, but Tarrant would have had some problems with the free-for-all style of leadership Blake was so good at. Throw in Avon and the three-Alpha explosions would have been enormous fun to watch.) I don't think they'd *like* each other, but I think the reserve would be as much if not more on Toothy's side than Jenna's. Yes, *his* superiority complex might annoy her (he could be *very* irritating, and Jenna's tolerance level isn't that high), but if she could put up with Avon's, she could put up with anyone's. Quite simply, I don't think her crewmates for the most part particularly like or dislike Jenna, except for Blake and possibly - *possibly* - Gan (both of whom *give* friendship readily, though not stupidly). Nor IMO does she like or dislike Cally, Vila or Avon. Whether it's a part of her cool, pragmatic nature or the effect of her harsh lifestyle, she's actually more of a loner than Avon, and just doesn't have a gift for giving or inspiring real affection. The others care about her welfare as a member of their crew (as I'd care about someone I worked closely with), but not on a personal basis. I see Tarrant as feeling the same way. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 18:42:45 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Voice from the Past (was Servalan) Message-ID: <19990710014249.76896.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Ellyne writes: No, they all thought - "it has to be real, no one would be stupid enough to try a disguise *that* fake-looking..." I like bits - quite a lot of bits - of the episode (it's a curate's egg, I'm afraid). As Harriet said, it does say something about how unrealistic the chance of non-violent revolution is, which ties straight into Star One (it also indicates that Blake was *not* so single-minded as to reject the hope of doing it peacefully. Yes, he was 'under the influence', but I think there was a genuine hope there. And it was totally smashed, poor darling.) It's one of the few episodes where Cally gets to be coolly intelligent and logical (working out what's going on with Avon) and quite tough (prepared to use force if necessary). And it's great stuff for those of us who like Avon in black silk shirts. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 18:44:46 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] The estimable Jarriere Message-ID: <19990710014453.90030.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Mistral wrote: There is *no* way to put that tactfully enough . And I actually doubt whether the self-aggrandising box of tricks is as wonderful as we all think...