From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V99 #246 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume99/246 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 246 Today's Topics: Fanfic (was Re: [B7L] Wanker) Re: [B7L] Wanker Re: [B7L] Rewriting the Canon (wasPossible Federation Ender....) Re: Fanfic (was Re: [B7L] Wanker) [B7L] Deathtraps Fanfic (was Re: [B7L] Wanker) [B7L] No adult subject matter!?!, among other things. Re: [B7L] No adult subject matter!?!, among other things. Re: Fanfic (was Re: [B7L] Wanker) [B7L] Jacqueline Pearce ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:52:56 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Fanfic (was Re: [B7L] Wanker) Message-ID: <19990813195256.A14820@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Fri, Aug 13, 1999 at 05:00:25AM -0400, Huldah Beasley wrote: > Okay. I hope to finish some of my fan fic :) I've been keeping up with > Alison's dissertation on the introvert/extrovert subject. While easy to > follow and understand, it makes me wonder if maybe I'm out of my league. I > don't think I would have noticed if it hadn't been pointed out to me, at > least not on a consciencious level. I've never felt like I needed a degree > in Psychology just to hold a conversation before. a) Don't worry about it. b) Half the point of discussions like this is so that thoughtful people can point out the things one never noticed. c) Don't worry, we're just like that. d) Don't worry, most of the voluble ones are older/have been fans longer than you, so we've had more time to think about it. e) Don't worry, we get silly and frivous too. f) Don't worry about it. > It also made me realize that I don't know much about B7 fandom. You guys > are the first living, breathing B7 fans I've ever talked to (other than my > friend Bess). Ah, the joy of discovering that One Is Not Alone! > people I know nothing about. I mean, what kind of people get almost > obsessive over a show that had it's last series in '81 (I think)? People with good taste. (-8 If you're really curious, look at the list archives. http://sf.www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/b7list/ > I've written fics for other shows, mainly one called "Buffy The Vampire > Slayer". Ah - would you be interested in writing a story for "Staked Blake", a Buffy/Blake's 7 crossover zine I'm editing? > Fans of that show are used to fic writers completely abusing the > cannon and ignoring the ocassional time paradox, Ah, maybe you shouldn't write a story for me then... > but then, they're also used > to vampires, demons and the ocassional slime monster. So, before I get deep > into anything, my question (I know, I know it took me a while to get to the > actual question) is how strict are you? Do I have to come up with a long, > complicated mass of intersecting plot points or would you be cool with a few > PWP's (that Plot? What Plot? for those of you who are internet challenged)? Strict? Strict? Whatever you write hasn't got anything to do with *us*, you can write whatever your heart desires. How could we dare to be so arrogant to think that we have rules about what you can or can't write? (!!!???!!!) On the other hand, we're probably pretty picky about what we consider to be a *good* story. And certain things - like gross violation of canon - will quickly put your story into the "crap" category. But if you ask ten different fans, you'll get ten different opinions about what constitutes a good story. But probably fewer opinions about what constitutes a bad story. > PWP's (that Plot? What Plot? for those of you who are internet challenged)? I doubt that *anyone* here is internet-challenged, and I suspect that "PWP" is actually an older term than the popularisation of the net. Question: I thought PWP's are usually erotica? Are there gen PWPs? What would a gen PWP consist of? Or is "gen PWP" just another name for a vignette? Kathryn Andersen (oldie and pedant) -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 18:31:32 +0100 From: "Alison Page" To: "blakes7 mailing list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Wanker Message-ID: <000401bee5b1$d40ac400$ca8edec2@pre-installedco> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Huldah said - >I've never felt like I needed a degree >in Psychology just to hold a conversation before. hrummph Well I was just trying to stop the list being so quiet. And it is livening up now, even if all the posts lately seem to say 'wanker' at the top. >Black Adder, and later Red >Dwarf. yes >(Bess) thinks Travis is " Cold, Calculating, Dark, Devious, >Determined, Ruthless, Single-minded, Ruthless, Ruthless...and he, too, has >the leather...and is ultra sexy" yesss But does Beth realise that you don't just have to *like* Travis? It is a matter of great importance to choose the *right* Travis. If you want to post or read 'adult' fiction then subscribe to Freedom City as well as lysator. To be honest most fiction of all kinds gets posted there anyway. Alison ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 18:42:11 +0100 From: "Angua" To: "Blake's 7 Lysator List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Rewriting the Canon (wasPossible Federation Ender....) Message-ID: <012001bee5b3$7689c680$d76b989e@demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carol K wrote : > I tried accessing Neil's website but keep getting a message saying the site > does not exist. You need to add a .htm to the end of the URL http://homepages.tesco.net/~N.Faulkner/blakes7/wehist.htm It definitely works, I've been there - fascinating stuff. Louise http://starriders.net - Babylon 5, Blake's 7, SF cult tv and movies, free graphics, and more ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:42:50 +0100 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: Fanfic (was Re: [B7L] Wanker) Message-ID: In message <19990813195256.A14820@welkin.apana.org.au>, Kathryn Andersen writes >> PWP's (that Plot? What Plot? for those of you who are internet challenged)? >I doubt that *anyone* here is internet-challenged, and I suspect that >"PWP" is actually an older term than the popularisation of the net. Well, Oblaque uses the term, and I'd say that at 1988 that zine's older than the popularisation of the net:-) -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 22:06:38 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Mark J Thompson cc: Lysator List , Freedom City Subject: [B7L] Deathtraps Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Deathtraps is the second CD in the Soldiers of Love series and I feel it is slightly weaker than the first one. This is almost entirely due to one of the subplots being poor. The rest I found as enjoyable as the first one. Gareth Thomas has taken over the role of the villanious editor. I often wondered what Gareth would be like playing a megalomaniac with delusiions of grandeur - now I know. Way over the top and obviously relishing every moment. His opening speech is a delight, with a concluding sentence that had all of us laughing. I particularly enjoyed his scenes with Gulgolin, a fussy alien official. Jackie Pearce plays Madame Deephole, the owner of a brothel. Those who have seen Jackie's sense of humour at conventions will have no difficulty imagining her playing the double entendres which fill a good portion of her dialogue (I kept being reminded of a 'Carry On' movie. It really is that kind of smutty humour.) I'm pretty certain she'll be back for the next CD - the part came over very well and I'd be very surprised indeed if she wasn't enjoying it. She plays the part with a slight European accent and sounds very good. I didn't feel Michael Keating was quite so well served this time around. His character, Mydas, has had his mind emptied by the villain and hence he goes around babbling nonsense - though some of it is fairly amusing nonsense. There's a long flashback scene to when he first met his wife - notable chiefly for the number of smutty jokes that can be managed about playing a 'cello (more than you think). The lowest point is the scenes set on the spacecraft carrying Maureen Mydason (Mydas's wife). Although I actually liked Maureen's performance better than last time (she's played by Alison Taffs), the rest of the characters on the trip left me stone cold and the space dentist was dreadful. The jokes managed to cross the line between smutty and funny to smutty and boring. When you get to the dentist's song, just skip to the next track. Michael gets to sing a song later on and that is much better. Nothing brilliant, but not too dire either. This whole space dentist scene is even more annoying as it seems irrelevent to the main story. Most of the other scenes are adding something to the overall plot and it's obvious that there's a lot to discover about what the Editor's overall plans are. I enjoyed the areas where the plot was developing, where we find out more about the Space Patrol and who wanted Cindy out of her job. This series will not appeal to those looking for meaningful satire or a probing analysis of a probable future. It bears the kind of relationship to serious SF that 'Carry on up the Khyber' does to the history of the British in India. If you enjoyed the first CD, then you'll probably enjoy this one. If you're thinking of getting it for Gareth, Jackie and Michael's performances (not forgetting Nicholas Courtney as King Turnildus) then I think it's worth is as long as you don't mind smutty jokes. The element that appeals to me is what I only describe as the 'comic book' style - the characters cheerfully make long monologues to the listener and most characters are played larger than life. I think it is that larger than life element that I enjoy, when aliens treat the contents of their wardrobe more seriously than their foreign policy and weapons have effects that fit the needs of the plot rather than worrying about petty things like realism. I love genuine hard SF, but Soldiers of Love is something that I enjoy on a different level. Judith PS. Last, but not least, don't buy this CD on its own. The plot will make no sense at all if you have not heard the first one. If there are people who are put off by this and want to hear this one for Gareth and Jackie's performance, then contact me and I'll have a go at providing a plot synopsis. -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:56:14 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Fanfic (was Re: [B7L] Wanker) Message-ID: <19990813235617.22482.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Kathryn wrote: < On the other hand, we're probably pretty picky about what we consider to be a *good* story. And certain things - like gross violation of canon - will quickly put your story into the "crap" category. But if you ask ten different fans, you'll get ten different opinions about what constitutes a good story.> And ten different opinions about what constitutes canon as well... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 23:38:26 -0400 From: "Huldah Beasley" To: "Una McCormack" , "blakes7 mailing list" Subject: [B7L] No adult subject matter!?!, among other things. Message-ID: <00ea01bee606$78d26840$cff2fea9@eight> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Una Wrote: >I'm happy to read whatever you post, Huldah, be it fragments, or large >stories (split across several posts - tho' ). I think that goes pretty >generally, but I can't speak for other people. > >The only main proviso for posting to this list, I believe, is that you avoid >adult subject matter. > > >Una > 1. No adult subject matter? *sniffles, pouts* Darn. Oh well, I don't mind, but you're the one what's got to tell Avon he isn't gonna get any this time 'round :) 2. Where can I get copies of the eps for a decent price (in the U.S.)? Cheapest I've found is Amazon.com for $16.99 per tape (2 eps). Last time I saw them I was 8, so some stuffs kinda fuzzy and one ep a week on MPT just isn't giving me my fix. 3. If you are offended by harsh language please do not read this: "It's shite being Scottish! We're the lowest of the fucking low, the scum of the earth, the most wretched, servile, miserable, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some people hate the English. I don't. They're just wankers. We, on the other hand, are colonized by wankers. We can't even pick a decent culture to be colonized by. We are ruled by effete assholes. It's a shite state of affairs and all the fresh air in the world won't make any fucking difference." Go Renton!!! 4. Okay Calle. Not *almost* obssesive. Let's try obssesive to the point of spending waaaay too much time trying to figure out a way for everyone to make it off Guada Prime alive (other than the magical monkeys from Oz coming to wisk them away from the danger just in the nick of time), and other large chunks of your time reading 'bout how others got them off alive :) 5. Mk. Joanne and Carol are talking about something that sounds really interesting and I have no idea what it is. Throw me a bone. 6. Conventions. Are there any? And if there are, am I gonna hafta trek my butt all the way to England to get to one? S'all folks H ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 08:30:22 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] No adult subject matter!?!, among other things. Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Sat 14 Aug, Huldah Beasley wrote: > 6. > Conventions. Are there any? And if there are, am I gonna hafta trek my > butt all the way to England to get to one? Redemption - Feb 2001 Should be great fun. Everyone enjoyed themselves last time. See http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 for con reports and photos from the last Redemption (look under conventions) and http://www.smof.com/redemption/ for details of the next Redemption. It's a great way to meet loads of fellow fans and spend a whole weekend discussing your favourite subject (and we always timetable a few sessions for those who want to discuss adult topics. Find out just what a slash turkey reading is...) Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 13:01:26 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: Fanfic (was Re: [B7L] Wanker) Message-ID: <19990814130125.A22893@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Fri, Aug 13, 1999 at 04:56:14PM -0700, Sally Manton wrote: > Kathryn wrote: > < On the other hand, we're probably pretty picky about what we consider > to be a *good* story. And certain things - like gross violation of > canon - will quickly put your story into the "crap" category. > But if you ask ten different fans, you'll get ten different opinions > about what constitutes a good story.> > > > And ten different opinions about what constitutes canon as well... Three different opinions about what constitutes canon(*); twelve different opinions about what it means.(**) (*) Opinion #1 - what was aired; the 52 episodes and that's all. Opinion #2 - what was aired plus the scripts plus what people connected with the show said. Opinion #3 - what was aired plus what was said, plus all the radio plays (and probably the movie too) (**) Yes, that's more than ten. Some people like to argue both sides. -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 09:19:29 EDT From: Mac4781@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, freedom-city@blakes-7.org Subject: [B7L] Jacqueline Pearce Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is a short review of JP's one-woman show at the following web site: http://www8-144.web.dircon.net/www8-144/cgi-bin/view.pl?u=14 Carol Mc -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V99 Issue #246 **************************************