From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V99 #266 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume99/266 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 266 Today's Topics: [B7L] Long time, no mail. [B7L] Quiet, innit? [B7L] Servalan [B7L] Huis Clos Re: [B7L] Huis Clos Re: [B7L] Servalan Re: [B7L] Long time, no mail. Re: [B7L] Quiet, innit? RE: [B7L] Long time, no mail. Re: [B7L] Quiet, innit? [B7L] unsubscribing Re: [B7L] unsubscribing [B7L] Test Re: [B7L] Servalan Re: [B7L] Servalan [B7L] the perennial bacteria question Re: [B7L] Servalan Re: [B7L] the perennial bacteria question Re: [B7L] Servalan Re: [B7L] Servalan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:30:36 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Long time, no mail. Message-ID: <37D9BECC.5665@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Re-subbed and safe. I look forward to renewed acquaintances. --Avona ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:26:13 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Quiet, innit? Message-ID: <19990911022613.54057.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed So in the interests of polite conversation - a few 3 o'clock in the morning questions that occur to me when I can't sleep (the non B7 ones I'll have to work out by myself)... 1. Some of the fauna Our Heroes ran into were - ummm - interesting, weren't they? (the Decimas, the Kairopan spider, Og...) The words 'it followed me home, can I keep it?' spring to mind. So if the crew *were* going to adopt a pet (other than Cally's moondisc), are there any you'd like to see (and *not* just for the ever- popular reason of driving Avon round the twist?) 2. BTW, why *do* we so all enjoy the thought of driving Dark and Dysfunctional round the twist? It can't be because of the charms of Beautiful Suffering, since he might be suffering, but apoplexy isn't all that pretty, even in Avon. 3. Suppose you were stuck on the proverbial desert island, with - purely by coincidence - a VCR and the tapes of five episodes (singles - never mind what's paired on the official tapes). Which five would you choose (they don't have to be your favourites, just the ones that would drive you least insane if they were your *only* entertainment.) 4. Orac...we know he absorbed aspects of his creator's personality ('the more endearing aspects, by the sound of it'). Suppose he started absorbing aspects of the crew members he had most to do with as well? Since they were there the longest, we could end up with a mixture of Avon and Vila in a box (now *that* would be something different - and would drive *Tarrant* up the nearest wall ). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:29:46 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Servalan Message-ID: <19990911022950.44204.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed A caste question...where do you think Servalan fits? I don't see her as a born Alpha - she screams nouveau riche to me - but there's Kasabi's lines from Pressure Point: "You were a credit to your background: spoilt, idle, vicious...." (to Travis) "I forgot how well-connected she was." So *was* she born lower down and schemed her way up (her spitting derision of the word "Beta" in Weapon is - suggestive...) or come from a newly Alpha'd family or what? I've been loosely fitting most of the rest in where I think they go, but I can't make up my mind with her. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:31:24 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Huis Clos Message-ID: <19990911023128.95218.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Huis Clos...hell, as three people locked in a room for eternity. Which three would you do this to? How about Servalan, Krantor and Gunn-Sar? Travis I, Travis II *and* Blake? Avon, Jarriere and Og? Carnell, Gola and Zukan? Of course, Avon, Blake and Vila (PGP) are the obvious trio...or, if we're looking from Avon's POV, he could be stuck with the two people he cared most about - Blake and Anna - both of whom he shot... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:08:06 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Huis Clos Message-ID: <37D9E3B5.1DE7EA90@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally Manton wrote: > Huis Clos...hell, as three people locked in a room for eternity. > Which three would you do this to? Jenna, Tyce, Kayn. Egrorian, Jarvik, Pella. Blake, Avon, Meegat. Bayban, Jarriere, Orac. Servalan, Zil, Sherm. Mistral -- "And for my next trick, I shall swallow my other foot."--Vila ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:19:31 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Servalan Message-ID: <37D9E662.55AAE49D@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally Manton wrote: > A caste question...where do you think Servalan fits? The Alpha's Alpha; Auld money, politically connected, *But* test scores and psych evaluation made her ineligible to stay an Alpha (tests on raw intelligence, mind you, not cunning, which she's got loads of--but then, so has Vila); her family bought her rating so she could stay in the top group; ergo her political ambitions and elitism--and her career in the service, which is the only thing her psych profile leaves her suitable for. Don't hold me to this, mind,--it's just a first thought. Mistral -- "And for my next trick, I shall swallow my other foot."--Vila ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:23:27 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Long time, no mail. Message-ID: <37D9E74E.7281BED3@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Avona wrote: > Re-subbed and safe. > I look forward to renewed acquaintances. Welcome back Avona. You've been gone too long. Whee!!!!! Mistral -- "And for my next trick, I shall swallow my other foot."--Vila ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:11:43 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Quiet, innit? Message-ID: <37D9F29F.FB6000F4@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Re: Sally Manton's four questions: 1) 'It followed me home, can I keep it?' A bit advanced for a pet, really, but Zil would be nice. S/he could alternately annoy the crew and solve all their problems; it would be interesting to see if Avon's actual reaction would be as positive as his reaction to Blake's description; plus Vila would have someone to talk to that would never pick on him. > 2. BTW, why *do* we so all enjoy the thought of driving Dark and > Dysfunctional round the twist? We don't *all*. 3) Five eps that would drive me the least crazy on an island: Breakdown, Redemption, Shadow, Killer, ..eh?.. Headhunter? 4) Orac absorbing crew traits... Avon and Vila in a box? Well, he could be horrified by his own bad jokes, for one thing. Perhaps he would absorb Tarrant's skilled, joyful piloting and Dayna's vendetta against Servalan and buzz the presidential palace? Or perhaps he'd absorb both Blake's idealism and Avon's cynicism and have a nervous breakdown. He could absorb Gan's moral sense and Vila's hedonism and lecture himself on his own excesses. Let's just be glad he couldn't absorb Cally's telepathy and Dayna's sadistic streak along with Vila's love of practical jokes. ;-) Mistral -- "And for my next trick, I shall swallow my other foot."--Vila ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:24:51 +0200 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: B7 List Subject: RE: [B7L] Long time, no mail. Message-ID: <39DCDDFD014ED21185C300104BB3F99F6C0071@NL-ARN-MAIL01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Avona wrote: > > > Re-subbed and safe. > > I look forward to renewed acquaintances. And Mistral answered: > > Welcome back Avona. You've been gone too long. > Seconded. Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:40:40 +0100 From: "Alison Page" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Quiet, innit? Message-ID: <00a201befc33$bfb69c20$ca8edec2@pre-installedco> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >we could end up >with a mixture of Avon and Vila in a box Hey I wrote a story about that once :-) Actually by 'Orbit' wasn't Orac acting a bit like a mixture of Avon and Vila: cowardly, calculating and ruthless? Alison ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:48:17 +1000 From: Erika Maria Lacey To: Subject: [B7L] unsubscribing Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990911214817.007be5a0@student.uq.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" how does one [unsubs]cribe from the digest? I've lost the original e-mail containing the how-to. Ta. Erika Erika Lacey Harbinger http://business.fortunecity.com/mars/73/ Oz SF & Fantasy http://tatooine.fortunecity.com/sagan/74/ Grail: http://www.squidge.org/~righ Rabble Rouser http://student.uq.edu.au/~s344103/ Snail Mail: P.O. Box 244, Woodridge Qld 4114, Australia Phone: +61 7 32081036 ------------------------------ Date: 11 Sep 1999 14:25:21 +0200 From: Calle Dybedahl To: Erika Maria Lacey Cc: Subject: Re: [B7L] unsubscribing Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Erika Maria Lacey writes: > how does one [unsubs]cribe from the digest? I've lost the original e-mail > containing the how-to. Ta. And it's been nearly an entire week since I posted the pointer to the new list FAQ... http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/b7list/FAQ.html -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se "My Body Is A Temple...To Bacchus" -- Penny Dreadful ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:13:09 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: "lysator" Subject: [B7L] Test Message-ID: <004101befc57$66a9f040$0d01a8c0@hedge> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just testing... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:57:59 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Servalan Message-ID: <19990911155759.B10844@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 07:29:46PM -0700, Sally Manton wrote: > A caste question...where do you think Servalan fits? I don't see her as a > born Alpha - she screams nouveau riche to me - but there's Kasabi's lines > from Pressure Point: "You were a credit to your background: spoilt, idle, > vicious...." (to Travis) "I forgot how well-connected she was." She may well be nouveau riche, *and* longtime Alpha; there's no actual guarantee that being Alpha means being a *rich* Alpha. > So *was* she born lower down and schemed her way up (her spitting > derision of the word "Beta" in Weapon is - suggestive...) or come > from a newly Alpha'd family or what? I've been loosely fitting most > of the rest in where I think they go, but I can't make up my mind > with her. Well, wherever she was born, she schemed her way to where she got. -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:53:16 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Servalan Message-ID: <001e01befca0$6b47ff40$97498cd4@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally wrote: >A caste question...where do you think Servalan fits? I don't see her as a >born Alpha - she screams nouveau riche to me - but there's Kasabi's lines >from Pressure Point: "You were a credit to your background: spoilt, idle, >vicious...." (to Travis) "I forgot how well-connected she was." > >So *was* she born lower down and schemed her way up (her spitting >derision of the word "Beta" in Weapon is - suggestive...) or come >from a newly Alpha'd family or what? I've been loosely fitting most >of the rest in where I think they go, but I can't make up my mind >with her. I think Kasabi's reference is by far the most telling (indeed, apart from Servalan's own reminiscences in Sand, the only information we have of her past), and they really do seem to suggest that she was a born Alpha, and probably from a long-established Alpha family. But was Servalan her first name, surname, or a single name she had been born with or later adopted as her own? Maybe her first name was Doris or Ethel or Hermione or something and she didn't want anyone to know. What would be a good first name for Servalan? Hellhound made her a Rebecca, IIRC, and I've toyed with Jessica. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:54:03 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: [B7L] the perennial bacteria question Message-ID: <19990911155402.A10844@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was just thinking, as I was walking to the supermarket today, that if, as we were debating recently (well sometime this year, anyway) about Killer, and the Plague therin, that if the Liberator teleport had Automatic Bacteria Screening.... then Our Heros would be in for a large bout of indigestion, not to mention the runs. Because how could the Automatic Bacteria Screening tell the difference between Good Bacteria and Bad Bacteria? Or do Our Heros do regular shuttle trips to build up their supply of Yakult and yogurt? (Couldn't teleport the food up - the ABS would kill the bacteria in the yogurt!) leaving you to culinary thoughts, Kathryn Andersen -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:47:29 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: "lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Servalan Message-ID: <008001befca7$a2777bb0$0d01a8c0@hedge> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil mused: > What would be a good first name for Servalan? Hellhound made her a Rebecca, > IIRC, and I've toyed with Jessica. One story I read, I think it was 'The Pattern of Infinity' in Enarrare, called her 'Ingaret', which is a really cool name. Una ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:04:08 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] the perennial bacteria question Message-ID: <37DAEDF7.E2CA93E1@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathryn Andersen wrote: > I was just thinking, as I was walking to the supermarket today, that > if, as we were debating recently (well sometime this year, anyway) > about Killer, and the Plague therin, that if the Liberator teleport > had Automatic Bacteria Screening.... > then Our Heros would be in for a large bout of indigestion, not to > mention the runs. Because how could the Automatic Bacteria Screening > tell the difference between Good Bacteria and Bad Bacteria? Surely, if the technology were good enough to screen bacteria at all, it would have to know which bacteria belonged in the body, just as it would have to recognize the body itself as acceptable; it would have to screen out *foreign* biological entities, not all of them. (But then why would it accept Moloch? Surely he would be enough different from a normal human to be unrecognizable? Or how could it accept any sort of vaccine-type medications? For that matter, in Children of Auron, merely teleporting someone up to the ship would have cured them of that plague, which it didn't. So I don't believe the teleport can do this; technology of that level would imply the replicators of Sardos were possible on Liberator, yet they were a surprise to the crew.) My personal explanation for Killer has always been 1) Orac isolated the virus from the data and knew what it was; 2) Orac can handle diagnosis and treatment of many diseases (Orac, Voice, Children); 3) Between the data it had discovered and that added by Bellfriar, it was simple for Orac to devise a treatment for the crew. Nor do I think in 'Children' Avon would have gone along with so many of them going down to the planet and Dayna going back to the ship with an infected person and no decontaminant or isolation procedures used, unless he had a high degree of confidence that Orac could come up with a cure. IMHO, Mistral -- "And for my next trick, I shall swallow my other foot."--Vila ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:15:38 EDT From: VulcanXYZ@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Servalan Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Servalan was definitely a Victoria. Gail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:12:35 PDT From: "Rob Clother" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Servalan Message-ID: <19990912121235.37808.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Mistral, Re Servalan, bribery and family connections: >The Alpha's Alpha; Auld money, politically connected, *But* >test scores and psych evaluation made her ineligible to stay an >Alpha (tests on raw intelligence, mind you, not cunning, which >she's got loads of--but then, so has Vila); her family bought her >rating so she could stay in the top group; ergo her political >ambitions and elitism--and her career in the service, which is the >only thing her psych profile leaves her suitable for. I shouldn't really be telling you lot this, but what the heck -- I'll open my big mouth anyway. A few years ago now (early 90s), some well connected army officer walked into the office of the head of the Oxford University Boat Club, and announced that his son was "very, very keen to cox the Oxford First Boat." When Sid (name changed because I'm a chicken) replied, "Well, tell him to join the trials and we'll see whether he's got what it takes," out came the cheque book. And this officer repeated that his son was *very*, *very* keen to cox the Blue Boat. Actually, it's not a very juicy story, because although this guy was talking about obscene amounts of money by the end of the meeting, Sid just laughed him out of the office. After all, it's not as if OUBC are exactly strapped for cash, anyway... -- Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V99 Issue #266 **************************************