From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V99 #51 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume99/51 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 51 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] sundry [B7L] Flat Robin continues... Re: re [B7L] Die, Versification Re: [B7L] Common People/Charisma [B7L] Limericks Re: [B7L] Limericks Re: [B7L] Limericks Re: [B7L] sundry Re: [B7L] Limericks [B7L] Limerick [B7L] another limerick Re: [B7L] Common People/Charisma [B7L] Limerick [B7L] Solidarity Re: [B7L] Common People/Charisma Re: re [B7L] Die, Versification [B7L] Limericks, Continued ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 12:19:44 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] sundry Message-ID: <36B8A150.631B@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (I liked your poem for me, Pat) Pat Patera wrote: > There once was an Auron named Cally > Who oft liked to dilly and dally > With Blake she was bad, > With Avon so sad, > But with Vila she'd shilly and shally There once was a thief, name of Vila, By instinct a lover, not killa. Putting on all his charms, Took Kerril in his arms, And said, "Darlin', I'm sure gonna thrill ya." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 12:23:48 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Flat Robin continues... Message-ID: <36B8A244.39FE@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry, folks, I sent this back to Jacwueline by mistake, instead of to the whole list... fortunately, she noticed. > The Liberator neared the, for lack of a better word, turtle system. > > A'Tuin, the Great Trutle, was a creature of mystery. Cally, although > sensing it's brain, was certainly not able to communicate with a mind at > once so utterly vast, yet moving on a different time level, in a > complacent, reptilian way. A'Tuin's mind usually worked on the tempo of > Ian's. Or aeons. Something like that. > > But and unusual enough sight, could drag the Great Turtle's mind to > speed with shorter-lived creatures. > > There was, it appeared to A'Tuin, something like a very small fish, or > perhaps a bug, flying by, drawing near to it's head. A'Tuin considered > it carefully. Up until now, the Turtle's existence had consisted of > moving through space and hoping that one of those blasted barnacle-like > elephants would drag it's foot over the itchy spot on A'Tuin's shell. > Now it occured dimly to A'Tuin, that there could be something else to > life. There could be a brief snack. > > A nuetron blaster shot just beyond A'Tuin's nose. The Great Trutle > decided it didn't want a stinging snack, and the giant head began to > withdraw into the shell. > > > "Vila, why did you fire the nuetron blasters?" > > "I didn't like the way it was looking at us." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 12:28:56 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: lysator Subject: Re: re [B7L] Die, Versification Message-ID: <36B8A377.4C37@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil Faulkner wrote: > Though Gail - or VulcanXYZ - is right (She is no fool), > The many words that rhyme with Neil may be described as cool. > But words like 'fail' or 'pale' or 'snail', they tell a different story. > A shame that her own appellation snubs her bid for glory. Bah! In fandom, a woman named Gail, Swore that Blake and his crew should not fail. So she travelled in time, Made it to Guada Prime, But arrived to see Feddies prevail. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 12:47:24 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Common People/Charisma Message-ID: <36B8A7CC.257F@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Russ Massey wrote: > > >Neil Faulkner wrote: > >> > Maybe charisma is a > >> > double-edged quality, one that tends to polarise reactions? > > > I wasn't really sure myself what charisma was until I went to a talk > given by Brian Blessed at a book signing a few years ago. The man is > absolutely magnetic, and if he had asked his audience to march on > Poland that very evening they would have been with him. It's so hard > to define the quality, but it boils down to - someone with charisma can > talk rubbish and you will never interrupt or disagree simply because > you are so impressed with how he says it. I would tend to agree with that. I have one friend with a fair degree of charisma-- and virtually no people skills. He insults everyone, tells embarrasing stories about himself, and can swing in behavior from sagelike to childish, and yet, people adore him. The few people who do say he's an arrogant jerk, still want to talk with him for hours. He's got that certain something. (He does have plenty of good points, too, but if he didn't have charisma, his faults would destroy his social life) I met Paul Darrow once, and IMHO, he has charisma in spades. It felt like there was something tangible around him-- now I'm sensitive to electromagnetic fields, so maybe that was all there is, combined with a bit of awe, BUT... I hadn't been in awe of him, seeing him in person on stage. I found him witty and interesting, yes, but the ageing chain-smoker had very little to do with the Avon I admired. Then, I happened to meet him face-to-face in the dealer's room. No one was paying any attention to him, so I had the chance to ask him what I'd been too polite to do in the open forum, which was basically, why the astronomy in his book had been so far off. He explained that the publisher went ahead with the first draft, not allowing Paul to revise it afte research as he had inteneded, because "oh, the readers won't know'. A cynical part of me says, "That's his story, I wonder what the publisher would say." but I wanted, and still want to believe his version if only because... he has charisma. He told me the story with a charming, slightly embarrassed smile. And I couldn't take my eyes off of him,and want to like him and want him to notice and like me. BTW, on the subject of polarization, some folks speak of Blake polariziing people in fandom. Well, out here, it seems like it's Avon who polarizes them. A lot of people _I_ know who've seen the series say Blake is anything from a nice guy to a good leader. But Avon is "a bratty whiner", "a arrogant prick", etc. I've heard from plenty who hate him, and know even more who love him. Interestingly, I've only heard men say they dislike him. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 12:59:59 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Limericks Message-ID: <36B8AABF.1FE3@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There once was a rebel named Avon. His own skin he was good at savin'. But we just want to see If he's naturally Quite as good when he tries misbehavin'. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 13:05:29 PST From: "Penny Dreadful" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Limericks Message-ID: <19990203210529.2842.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain There is an old woman named Servy And she's nasty and vicious and nervy But the boys all forgive this (assuming they live) For they find her delicious and curvy. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 14:50:08 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Limericks Message-ID: <36B8C490.1634@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There was a gunfighter named Soolin, Who poise made the boys start a-droolin'. But whene'er she was told She ought not be so cold, Her answer was, (dryly), "No foolin'." (would these be great fanzine-fillers or what?) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 13:16:11 -0800 From: Tramila To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] sundry Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990203131611.00800900@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Helen wrote: >There once was a thief, name of Vila, >By instinct a lover, not killa. >Putting on all his charms, >Took Kerril in his arms, >And said, "Darlin', I'm sure gonna thrill ya." AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! Tramila ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 13:31:20 PST From: "Penny Dreadful" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Limericks Message-ID: <19990203213120.27617.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Second verse, worse than the first: There was an old woman named Sleer Who had recently changed her career Leitz made the connection And got an -- um -- ambition... And that was his finish, I fear Chorus: Hooray for the Federation! Birth of a (Terry) Nation! With leather suits And shiny boots And no ethical complication! --Penny "P For Pendetta" Dreadful ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 16:12:11 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Limerick Message-ID: <36B8D7CB.40E3@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The rebel named Olag Gan said, "I've a limiter stuck in my head. But it could be quite worse, How I'd fret and I'd curse, If they'd limited 'elsewhere' instead." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 02:02:51 EST From: VulcanXYZ@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] another limerick Message-ID: <2638effb.36b9461b@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Here's another one: There once was a cheeky young kid Who had even more curls than Blake did. When he tried to take over Avon said, "Down, down Rover." Tarrant pouted and gave up his bid. **** I hope the Godmother doesn't mind this one. It was just in fun...really, really! Gail " ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 02:10:16 EST From: VulcanXYZ@aol.com To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Common People/Charisma Message-ID: <9c9fb6a7.36b947d8@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Avona wrote: << I met Paul Darrow once, and IMHO, he has charisma in spades. >> Isn't this the truth! I was only mildly interested in B7 (hard to believe this was ever true!) until I saw Paul at a convention. I got in his autograph line because I vaguely remembered that this English sci fi show was pretty good and that the actor was interesting. It was mostly curiosity, really. But when I got up to him and he asked me what my name was, one close up look and I was lucky I could remember what it was! And his smile! And those eyes! The man is frankly dangerous and should be registered with the TV police or something. Gail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 04:00:49 PST From: "Stephen Date" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Limerick Message-ID: <19990204120050.11411.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Avon, always the realist Chafed, under Blake the idealist But found one fine day When Blake went away That Blake's certainties were sorely missed Stephen Date (Robert Montgomery in a previous life I expect) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:22:19 -0000 From: "Peter Horrocks" To: Subject: [B7L] Solidarity Message-ID: <000001be505b$665bf0a0$7c5f883e@pre-installedco> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Must apologise for my husband's name at the top of this, having problems resubscribing with my own. I'm Marion and female. Neil's mention of solidarity and people looking after each other at work, put me in a time warp. I remember solidarity between workers back in the 1970's, and that's the context in which Blake's7 was written. It was normal to be like that at work, in Britain, then. The best place I ever worked was the Neuropathology Laboratory, and we were as motley a crew as you would ever find on the Liberator, arguing among ourselves, but having fun and always supporting each other. And we loved Blake's7, discussing it at length the next day. Time moves on, I move away , have kids, and Margaret Thatcher appears. I used to joke with my husband that she based her persona on Servalan. I could picture her studying Servalan's voice, smile, mannerisms, clothes (OK not long dresses for stuffy government, but power dressing all the same). Servalan came first, but they both wanted "maximum power". And the world changed. Britain in the 1990's. Returning to work after a career break, trying jobs at various levels (some needing my qualifications, others not). Where's the solidarity? Why is every ordinary person out for themselves? Is "union" a historical concept now? Margaret Thatcher/Servalan has a lot to answer for. Marion. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 10:00:10 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Common People/Charisma Message-ID: <36B9E02A.5F36@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Helen Krummenacker wrote: > BTW, on the subject of polarization, some folks speak of Blake > polariziing people in fandom. Well, out here, it seems like it's Avon > who polarizes them. A lot of people _I_ know who've seen the series say > Blake is anything from a nice guy to a good leader. I agree here. Oh, the "manipulation" thread pops up now and again, but everyone agrees that Blake's heart is in the right place. > But Avon is "a bratty whiner", "a arrogant prick", etc. And many list members have remarked that as children, they didn't like this character. >I've heard from plenty who hate him, and know even more who love him. And then those girl children grew up and got hormones. > Interestingly, I've only heard men say they dislike him. Perhaps they find him a threat, all decked out in black leather, studded with hormones and drenched in charisma. We often dislike those we fear or envy. Gail wrote: >But when I got up to him and he asked me what my name was, one close up look >and I was lucky I could remember what it was! And his smile! And those eyes! >The man is frankly dangerous and should be registered with the TV police or >something. {snort! chortle} You make me feel distressed that I've never met him. Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 09:36:41 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: re [B7L] Die, Versification Message-ID: <36B9DAA9.46C6@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil Faulkner wrote: > But ere this thread gets out of hand and Calle grows hysterical, > I think it's time to draw a line beneath all things limerickal. WAAAHHHH! But we're all having *fun* limmericking. I've lafed at 'em all :-D And they *do* contain B7 reference. > Oh, and I'm still grappling with Ensor's fish. Can anyone suggest a > suitable damage range for a pectoral fin attack? > Please do Avon's pet rock Sophron while you're at the stats. Pat P PS We are *still* waiting for Avon's numbers. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 10:50:19 PST From: "Penny Dreadful" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Limericks, Continued Message-ID: <19990204185020.20913.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain (What's really irksome is I can't think of anything that rhymes with 'Travis' except 'myasthaenia gravis', which I haven't been able to work into a limerick...yet...) There was a young rebel named Veron And Gan showed her nothing but carin' But she was no victim, The trait'ress, she tricked him! Now he's crossing the Styx with Charon. (Well at least that's how *I* see it.) Singing, Hooray for the Federation! Birth of a (Terry) Nation! With mind-control drugs And jackbooted thugs Who shoot without provocation! --Penny "Not From Nantucket" Dreadful ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V99 Issue #51 *************************************