Newsgroups: alt.mythology,alt.pagan From: skye@netcom.com (Alexandra Knepper) Subject: Re: Avalon was, Re: Druids and stonehenge Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1993 08:58:23 GMT Ian.Foot@UK.Sun.COM (Ian Paul Foot) writes: [deleted] > BTW Someone told me yesterday the Rhiannon was a sea-goddess. I had > thought that she was a horse-goddess. There appears to be nothing > in the Mabinogion that would link her to the sea. Does she appear > in any other tales? From Celtic Gods, Celtic Goddesses by R.J. Stewart: The Horse or Mare is best known through the worship of the goddess Epona, an eponymous deity known in Britain and Gaul. Her British and Irish equivalents are Rhiannon (Wales) and Macha and Etain (Ireland). It seems likely that the famous White Horse and Uffington Castle (in Berkshire, England) are constructs of the Belgae, who worshipped Epona. The horse goddess appears also in the *Mabinogion* in the form of Rhiannon, deriving from Rig Antona or Great High Queen. In her tale the power and fertility of the horse, and its connection to the sacred kingship, are found in a confused and shadowy form. Interestingly, when we consider the motif of the bull and three cranes described above <>, Rhiannon, the horse goddess, is also associated with birds, whose songs could awaken the dead and lull the living to sleep. ... Rhiannon gives birth to a boy, who is mysteriously abducted while mother and nurses sleep. Fearing revenge, the nurses smear blood and bones from a dog around the sleeping Rhiannon, and declare that she has devoured the child. Judgement is passed upon her for her crime: And the penance that was imposed upon her was this, that she should remain in that palace of Narberth until the end of seven years, and that she should sit every day near unto a horse block that was outside the gate. And that she should relate her story to all who should come there if they did not know it already; and that she should offer to carry guests and strangers, if they would permit her, upon her back into the palace. But it rarely happened that any would so permit. (From Pwyll, Prince of Dyfed, *The Mabinogion*, trans. C. Guest) === From: ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley) Subject: Rhiannon (Re: Avalon) Date: 15 Dec 93 18:05:47 GMT Ian.Foot@UK.Sun.COM (Ian Paul Foot) writes: > BTW Someone told me yesterday the Rhiannon was a sea-goddess. I had > thought that she was a horse-goddess. There appears to be nothing > in the Mabinogion that would link her to the sea. Does she appear > in any other tales? Rhiannon is a moon Goddess mainly, also a protector of children and women, a warrior, a Horse Goddess and often takes on the form of a white rabbit. Very old tradition tells that a image of her should be worn about the throat by a woman getting married so that she not be mistreated by her husband, her children be born safely and be safe from harm. She is usually accompanied by three birds who can sing the dead to life and the living to sleep for 10,000 years. She is also my patron Goddess. I've never heard of her as a sea goddess but such associations are probably due to her closeness with water. In my experience it is always fresh water, however there are legends of her traveling over the seas to be queen of an island of the gods that lays between the worlds. I collect stories about her, so if anyone has any references....... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Ashley of Kaos Laboratories ..........................ksm@abb-sc.com | | "I thought I saw a burning light, saw angels fall into the night | | `Oh we're with God' they cried, and with their God they died." | | - Sol Invictus | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+