From: cortese@netcom.com (Janis Maria C. C. Cortese) Subject: Sex is neither good nor bad. Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 18:20:07 GMT This is going to be a bit short since I'm a little behind, but I am sort of amused at how people are reacting to this nudity thang. Every time this subject comes up, I can guarantee that people will react to the woman who says, "I feel insulted when someone ogles me," with, "Oh, but sex is good and beautiful! Are you carrying repressed baggage?" Can I vomit now or should I wait until later? Sex is NOT good OR beautiful, nor is it a great evil. Sex is. Period. Full stop. Not all expressions of sexual interest are good and beautiful according to what many Pagans would like to kid themselves into thinking, any more than all expression of sex are evil and sinful -- like most xtians want to kid themselves into believing. Sex IS. Whether it's good or bad depends entirely on the people involved and their attitudes, and I'm sorry if this insults someone, but when someone ogles me like an immature groping 12 year old weenie THAT IS NEITHER GOOD NOR BEAUTIFUL. If this annoys you, too damned bad. A man or woman looking at me because they are pleased at my exterior is just fine -- when they know that I am not THERE expressly for them to get horny off of and when they are prepared to acknowledge that: 1) I am a person and I exist even when they aren't looking at me. 2) I am not being a "bitch" if I am not interested in them; I am simply exercising my free choice by picking and choosing on my own. However, anyone who attempts to collapse this mature and respectful sexual interest with, "Ooooh, oooh, titties!" is being deliberately obtuse. Any such person is thinking that just because two thoughts result in an erection that they are socially equivalent, which is bull. All expressions of sexual interest are not equivalent, nor are they all equally meritorious. I just think it's interesting that we seem to have inherited the same typical xtian view of sex as a monolithic entity, only we've scratched out where they wrote "bad" and put "good." I have news for all of you -- sex is neither good nor bad. Like any other human endeavor, it cannot be evaluated apart from the context in which it's embedded. And when it comes to MY body being ogles, *I* decide what's good and bad. Context, context, context! Blessings, Janis === From: russell@apple.com (Russell Williams) Subject: Re: Sex is neither good nor bad. Date: 20 Sep 1993 08:16:45 -0700 cortese@netcom.com (Janis Maria C. C. Cortese) writes: > Sex is NOT good OR beautiful, nor is it a great evil. Sex is. > Period. I disagree... somewhat. "Life is good". Agree? How about when a person is suffering in agony from terminal cancer. Might not death be better then? How about the critters that cause various diseases? Taking the fundamental position that life is good doesn't mean that all life is better than all non-life all the time. The situation is more complex than that. Similarly, taking the fundamental position that sex is good does not imply the condoning of sexual exploitation or coercion. If we are unwilling to assign a positive value judgment to sex because it can be used to harm, to what can we assign positive intrinsic worth? What aspect of the natural or spiritual world is without capacity for doing or being used for harm? -- Russell Williams russell@apple.com Not speaking for Apple Computer