From tariqas-digest-approval@europe.std.com Fri Aug 9 06:22:19 1996 Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 20:49:51 -0400 (EDT) From: tariqas-digest-approval@europe.std.com Reply-To: tariqas-digest@world.std.com To: tariqas-digest@world.std.com Subject: tariqas-digest V1 #93 tariqas-digest Sunday, 4 August 1996 Volume 01 : Number 093 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: frank gaude Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 08:08:47 -0700 Subject: Re: O FAITH Hello, folks! Thanks for all the private comments re FAITH. As a follow up to: > Jeremiah 31:31-34 Behold... I will make a new > covenant... I will put my law in their inward parts, > and write it in their hearts; and will be their > God... And they shall teach no more every man his > neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know > the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least > of them unto the greatest of them... and I will > remember their sin no more. (Also see Ezekiel 36:26-28.) God's message is planted in our bones, in our inward parts. If you go to the most isolated societies on earth their spiritual teachings are essentially the same even though the nitty gritty details may differ. For example, I found this to be so when reading about Zimbabwe's pre-colonial religious practices. They believe that service to others and subsuming one's own ego are the spiritual tasks of adulthood, and these are learned through birth and raising children, maintaining a tight family and close community. Sounds like a Native American tradition, or is it a Sufi one? "Illness is a manifestation of self-centered and morally weak behaviors. Imagine the public health problems we solve if we realize this in our country. The vast majority of our problems are due to gluttony, promiscuity, and other expressions of our spiritual bankruptcy."--in a private message sent to me "Turn me not aside, Beloved, once Thou hast granted me Thy favor; starve me not of a kiss, after Thou hast enfolded me; grieve me not, Beloved, since Thou hast made me smile; turn not away Thine eyes, once Thou hast poured the wine of Thy magic glance into the cup of my heart." -- From the Vadan of Pir-O-Murshid Inayat Khan Ya Hadi (O Divine Fiat), guide our life aright, tanzen ------------------------------ From: Steve Phillips Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 14:07:19 +0000 Subject: (Fwd) Re: Renga - Star Renga (13 total) STAR RENGA (13 total) (5, 7, 5 beat to the frame drum) Now, Star Light, Star Bright, Rather than a million bucks I seek to find me. -- Wahid, age 40 Star lights a thousand eyes share with me your laughter through clear winter air. -- steve what's that twinkly in your eye must be love come down shining! -- yondanoota When I see the stars The clouds have passed And God winks at thee -- Lalla Stars, why do you blink? - --Though your eyes don't always see, Light is always there. -- Tansen-Muni angels testify root and offspring glorious bright and morning stars -- tanzen, ageless Morning star rising, The golden-faced Gautama On a stony shore -- Saki Zenzaki The star rises slowly It warms my face, and heals me My heart shines more. -- Morning BEar, quickly 50 Process: Transmutation of Essence. Manifestation of Seed. Sing your mortality----loudly. -- Rashida out of the vacuum subatomic particles stars bright that is us -- tanzen northern lights sweep horizon her eyes on fire leaping stardust shining there ....aarifa tarlight shining bright grant this wish for me tonight set this heart on fire -- carol, waiting to be born All the long night without blinking I watch the stars and they watch me finally, my heart is there. steve, greyhair ------------------------------ From: Well333@turbonet.com (Jacquie Weller) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 11:11:05 +0100 Subject: Re: Faith I know Amidha you love me and so does Tanzen. The truth speaks for itself. Please harmonize. We are all struggling and growing. Love Kaffea Lalla ------------------------------ From: Steve Phillips Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 14:22:54 +0000 Subject: Re: O FAITH Amidha Porter and David Fyke wrote: > First of all, Tanzen, I have had it with you. If you think that > pronouncements such as the above are within your power to make, even > if you are as perfect and untouched as you have allowed us all to > know time after time, I sincerely wish that you would unsubscribe > from this forum. Such statements are not only dangerous and painful > to those who struggle innnocently, they are, in my opinion, both > stupid and uninformed. Tanzen, please do not unsubscribe. Jesus made many enemies among those who chose to fear rather than love him. In the end they felt the simplest thing they could do was just to crucify him. The cry was rapidly accepted by the masses, "crucify him!" His love was unstoppable, nonetheless, and reshaped the world in the possibility of light and hope and truth. Whenever I hear echos of the words "crucify him" I look for the traces of love still stirring in the air. to all, a world can be sick, it can be the result of evil. this is not a personal attack, it is an honesty. pray hard that we may become bearers of good news. the kingdom has come near to us. receive it with joy and thanksgiving.by faith we are healed. steve ------------------------------ From: frank gaude Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 11:32:18 -0700 Subject: Re: terra cotta Hello, Steve (and woodsong, dear kalola)! > here's a poem about mankind and the violence of > subsistence. a little different, but feel like sharing > it anyway > > Terra Cotta > > He drinks from shards of scorched earth, [...] > the nameless greetings of strangers that > parade across memory like a mirage. > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > summer wanes, > be well both of you. I think we are, but only Allah knows for sure: we be his slaves, woodsong and I... Trust your book of poems gets published... And thanks for sticking with CONSCIOUSNESS forum... do wish I had the energy to do the same. Peace and love, your bosom buddy, a kindred spirit, tanzen ------------------------------ From: Azad Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 14:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: Renga - Star Renga (13 total) Knees bent in helming Huge, 'green' foam hissing below Stars guiding the masts -- Azad On Sun, 4 Aug 1996, Steve Phillips wrote: > STAR RENGA (13 total) (5, 7, 5 beat to the frame drum) > > Now, Star Light, Star Bright, > Rather than a million bucks > I seek to find me. -- Wahid, age 40 > > Star lights a thousand eyes > share with me your laughter > through clear winter air. -- steve > > what's that twinkly in your eye > must be love come down shining! -- yondanoota > > When I see the stars > The clouds have passed > And God winks at thee -- Lalla > > Stars, why do you blink? > --Though your eyes don't always see, > Light is always there. -- Tansen-Muni > > angels testify > root and offspring glorious > bright and morning stars -- tanzen, ageless > > Morning star rising, > The golden-faced Gautama > On a stony shore -- Saki Zenzaki > > The star rises slowly > It warms my face, and heals me > My heart shines more. -- Morning BEar, quickly 50 > > Process: > Transmutation of Essence. > Manifestation of Seed. > Sing your mortality----loudly. -- Rashida > > out of the vacuum > subatomic particles > stars bright that is us -- tanzen > > northern lights sweep horizon > her eyes on fire > leaping stardust shining there ....aarifa > > tarlight shining bright > grant this wish for me tonight > set this heart on fire -- carol, waiting to > be born > > All the long night without blinking > I watch the stars and they watch me > finally, my heart is there. steve, greyhair > > > > ------------------------------ From: Ellen L Price Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 11:40:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: The Fish Story The story of the three fish can be found in the Mathnawi, Volumn IV, beginning with line 2202. Ellen Price ------------------------------ From: Ellen L Price Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 11:52:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: O FAITH On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, frank gaude wrote: > Submission and Faith >[SNIP] > > Jesus is reported to have performed many healings in the > Christian Gospels. Each healing, if you notice, was somewhat > different. One was of the eyes, another the ears, one at a > distance for the Centurion's servant (happening within the > hour, not immediately), one raising the dead, one of walking, > one by indirect touching, one that required praying on, etc. > Why was these things done? To support belief, faith, in WHAT > each of us are. We each can do the things Jesus did, and even > greater things, because we have evolved even more from his > times. Our level of consciousness is higher, a little higher. > > What he was demonstrated is that we each can heal ourselves > through faith, through a knowledge of WHAT we are, what our > inner parts are and from where they come. Every prophet seems > to have said the same thing but the message always gets lost in > the translation when it comes down through the organized > religions. Guess this is just human nature for this to happen. > Nothing is said to be made easy; we each have to desire the > loss of our false egos before we can "ask and receive". > > Jeremiah 31:31-34 Behold... I will make a new > covenant... I will put my law in their inward parts, > and write it in their hearts; and will be their > God... And they shall teach no more every man his > neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know > the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least > of them unto the greatest of them... and I will > remember their sin no more. (Also see Ezekiel 36:26-28.) > > tanzen > Perhaps we could also include the Names of God: Al-Mu'min - The Inspirer of Faith As-Sami - The Hearer of All Al-Basir - The Seer of All Al-Muhyi - The Giver of Life An-Nafi - The Creator of Good Al-Ghaffar - The Forgiving Ash-Shakur - The Rewarder of Thankfulness With Love, Ellen ------------------------------ From: Steve Phillips Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 13:38:05 +0000 Subject: cookie wars... jbw@sirius.com wrote: > I understand the initial motivation, but not that of the re-posters. > It seems to me that two wrongs are re-propagated thereby, not with > the story being told, but with the recipe being included. At what > point does it end? > > Jamasp That is the most serious response I've heard. It rather reminds one of the lengthy feud between the Hatfields and the McCoys, who fought so bitterly between their families, until years and generations later, the original cause of their dispute had been forgotten, and they had only established hatred between their families for no 'known' reason. I heard the cookie story about ten years ago, and agree it's an urban legend. The Internet has just offered new opportunities to popularize it. In my view, disputes of this nature are best settled by letting go of one's anger and getting on with the business of life. Short of that, one should take the matter to civil court and accept whatever judgement one receives there. Trying to muster "global outrage" is silly and unproductive. I prefer ginger snaps and milk to chocolate chip also! I consider oatmeal cookies a staple. two cents! steve ------------------------------ From: Steve Phillips Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 13:38:05 +0000 Subject: Re: Return of the Bird Tribes Carol Woodsong wrote: > > > Excerpt from /Return of the Bird Tribes/, by Ken Carey > If there were words put to these subtle conversations of nature, > what message would they convey, these designs and patterns, sliding > quietly into your world from a realm beyond? You watch and listen, > blending what comes your way. Somewhere in these currents, there is > meaning for you. Somewhere in these currents is the only meaning we will ever know, it is our point of contact with the reaosn for everything, for us and the world. within these currents we will find our friendships flowing toward wholeness, and we will find our creator calling us to fulfill the dreams he has planted in our hearts like seeds. thank you woodsong, for sharing these lovely words and the deep undercurrents of new awareness they bring to our hearts and souls. as always, you bring us back to the place where love begins. thank you especially for that! (hugs) steve. ------------------------------ From: frank gaude Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 12:08:58 -0700 Subject: Re: O FAITH Steve Phillips wrote: > > Amidha Porter and David Fyke wrote: > > > First of all, Tanzen, I have had it with you. If you think that > > pronouncements such as the above are within your power to make, even > > if you are as perfect and untouched as you have allowed us all to > > know time after time, I sincerely wish that you would unsubscribe > > from this forum. Such statements are not only dangerous and painful > > to those who struggle innnocently, they are, in my opinion, both > > stupid and uninformed. > > Tanzen, please do not unsubscribe. Jesus made many enemies > among those who chose to fear rather than love him. In the end > they felt the simplest thing they could do was just to crucify him. > The cry was rapidly accepted by the masses, "crucify him!" His > love was unstoppable, nonetheless, and reshaped the world in the > possibility of light and hope and truth. > > Whenever I hear echos of the words "crucify him" I look for the > traces of love still stirring in the air. > > to all, a world can be sick, it can be the result of evil. this is > not a personal attack, it is an honesty. pray hard that we may > become bearers of good news. the kingdom has come near to us. > > receive it with joy and thanksgiving.by faith we are healed. > > steve Well, Steve, making enemies is not my "bag" anymore than it was Jesus'. Would it make any difference if one realizes I didn't write the item seemly to which some are objecting, "Illness is a manifestation of self-centered and morally weak behaviors. Imagine the public health problems we solve if we realize this in our country. The vast majority of our problems are due to gluttony, promiscuity, and other expressions of our spiritual bankruptcy."--in a private message sent to me but received it in a message? I guess not... lots more going on here than what is on the surface. >... Very often the most innocent >and the best souls, who have nothing but good wishes and kind thoughts, >will be found among sufferers. --Hazrat Pir-O-Murshid Inayat Khan How very truth, all the way around! Thanks, Amidha, for posting it. "I know Amidha you love me and so does Tanzen. The truth speaks for itself. Please harmonize. We are all struggling and growing."--Kaffea Lalla "The truth speaks for itself"... truth needs no defenses, no judgements, no rationalizations... She be a powerful task master! "The kingdom of heaven is at HAND." "... is spread out all over earth." Peace, love, harmony, and beauty, tanzen ------------------------------ From: Well333@turbonet.com (Jacquie Weller) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 10:04:12 +0100 Subject: Re: O FAITH Hello, folks! Thanks for all the private comments re FAITH. As a follow up to: Snip...Snip Tanzen wrote this on Sunday: "Illness is a manifestation of self-centered and morally weak behaviors. Imagine the public health problems we solve if we realize this in our country. The vast majority of our problems are due to gluttony, promiscuity, and other expressions of our spiritual bankruptcy."--in a private message sent to me This is not an all inclusive statement as I see it. This does not not account for chemical imbalances, nutritional deficiencies; My own encounter with psychiatric disorders, did not mean I was necessarily self centered and morally weak. Just as friends of mine who suffer from many diseases are not. On the contrary, my so called illness became the rock in which I came to know God as healer and remedy. Well meaning folks have thought clinical depression to be the result of sin, etc. They looked for quick get well schemes, quoting scriptures, that only burden an already suffering human being with more guilt instead of recovery. The love of God is all wisdom and perfect timing, and my past experiences with mental illness is no different than some peoples bouts with diabetes or any other dibilitating disease. The amount of self centerness and moral weakness I have is not much different than any other human being; Any afflication that I have had in my life has been radically improved by the loving uncondemning prescense of my beloved Friend, giving me a rope to hang on to while s/he penetrated my soul with profound and peaceful growth. Love Kaffea Lalla {of course this is just one humble opinion{. ------------------------------ From: woodsong@juno.com (Carol Woodsong) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 16:24:28 PST Subject: Re: cookie wars... Aloha, steve! > In my view, disputes of this nature are best settled by letting >go of one's anger and getting on with the business of life. Short of God, You are Beautiful! >is silly and unproductive. I prefer ginger snaps and milk to chocolate >chip also! I consider oatmeal cookies a staple. yes... let's stop being silly and unproductive! ... /nothing/ beats a good chocolate chip-pecan cookie. No milk, but java would be nice! Kaffea, you pouring, or shall i? :) God, what a Beautiful place this is! :)(: ------------------------------ From: woodsong@juno.com (Carol Woodsong) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 17:35:59 PST Subject: Re: TEST for seekers (fwd) >SEEKERS TEST n.1 > >Please identify the speaker for each of the following utterances: That's easy. God. :) > >Heaven and hell are for the ignorant, >not for those who know God. [...] >------------------------------------------- > How shall the drowning wretch discover a way of safety, when >the torrent of >love hath surrounded him before and behind? >------------------- >once i grow wings >in place of my slow feet >all obstacles will vanish >and i really can fly in >time and space again >------------------------ >Dance done without feet, >tune played without hands, >praises sung without tongue, >singer without shape or form- >the true teacher reveals. [...] ------------------------------ From: Well333@turbonet.com (Jacquie Weller) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 13:34:11 +0100 Subject: With Sadness I am considering unsubscribing to tariqas and winged heart It is with some sadness. But I have made some errors which pain me. By mistake private messages from friends became public. Anyway I am just going to stay in the background and hopefully learn some lessons that I need. I don't know if I am believed but this was not intentional. But understandably people have been hurt by my errors; and all I can say I regret that this has happened to people I consider warm and loving friends. Kaffea Lalla ------------------------------ From: frank gaude Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 16:33:03 -0700 Subject: Re: O FAITH Hello, everybody! Ellen L Price wrote: > > ... we each have to desire the > > loss of our false egos before we can "ask and receive". > > > > Jeremiah 31:31-34 Behold... I will make a new > > covenant... I will put my law in their inward parts, > > and write it in their hearts; and will be their > > God... And they shall teach no more every man his > > neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know > > the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least > > of them unto the greatest of them... and I will > > remember their sin no more. (Also see Ezekiel 36:26-28.) > Perhaps we could also include the Names of God: > > Al-Mu'min - The Inspirer of Faith > As-Sami - The Hearer of All > Al-Basir - The Seer of All > Al-Muhyi - The Giver of Life > An-Nafi - The Creator of Good > Al-Ghaffar - The Forgiving > Ash-Shakur - The Rewarder of Thankfulness Gosh, you know, only God, Allah, could "write" attibutes into our inward parts. So, as many say, Jeremiah, being the servant of God, is passing along God's message to us. Believe thou him? "Know the LORD" is in us, in our bones (subconscious, low-self), and we truly know it if the veils of false ego are dropped, even a little drop does the trick, Ya Razzaq! But telling you this is like "carrying coals to Newcastle". No matter how "least" or "greatest" we are, we have been given the capability to "Know the LORD", Giver of All, and THAT giver is All. Thanks, Ellen, for fleshing out the bones of O FAITH! Peace and love, love, love, tanzen ------------------------------ From: Well333@turbonet.com (Jacquie Weller) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 13:20:10 +0100 Subject: With Sadness I am considering unsubscribing to tariqas and winged heart It is with some sadness. But I have made some errors which pain me. By mistake private messages from friends became public. Anyway I am just going to stay in the background and hopefully learn some lessons that I need. I don't know if I am believed but this was not intentional. But understandably people have been hurt by my errors; and all I can say I regret that this has happened to people I consider warm and loving friends. Kaffea Lalla ------------------------------ From: Well333@turbonet.com (Jacquie Weller) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 13:17:15 +0100 Subject: With Sadness I am considering unsubscribing to tariqas. It is with some sadness. But I have made some errors which pain me. By mistake private messages from friends became public. Anyway I am just going to stay in the background and hopefully learn some lessons that I need. I don't know if I am believed but this was not inten- tional. But understandably people have been hurt by my errors; and all I can say is I am sorry. Love Kaffea Lalla ------------------------------ From: Well333@turbonet.com (Jacquie Weller) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 12:24:23 +0100 Subject: Re: O FAITH Hello, folks! Thanks for all the private comments re FAITH. As a follow up to: > Jeremiah 31:31-34 Behold... I will make a new > covenant... I will put my law in their inward parts, > and write it in their hearts; and will be their > God... And they shall teach no more every man his > neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know > the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least > of them unto the greatest of them... and I will > remember their sin no more. (Also see Ezekiel 36:26-28.) God's message is planted in our bones, in our inward parts. If you go to the most isolated societies on earth their spiritual teachings are essentially the same even though the nitty gritty details may differ. For example, I found this to be so when reading about Zimbabwe's pre-colonial religious practices. They believe that service to others and subsuming one's own ego are the spiritual tasks of adulthood, and these are learned through birth and raising children, maintaining a tight family and close community. Sounds like a Native American tradition, or is it a Sufi one? "Illness is a manifestation of self-centered and morally weak behaviors. Imagine the public health problems we solve if we realize this in our country. The vast majority of our problems are due to gluttony, promiscuity, and other expressions of our spiritual bankruptcy."--in a private message sent to me "Turn me not aside, Beloved, once Thou hast granted me Thy favor; starve me not of a kiss, after Thou hast enfolded me; grieve me not, Beloved, since Thou hast made me smile; turn not away Thine eyes, once Thou hast poured the wine of Thy magic glance into the cup of my heart." -- From the Vadan of Pir-O-Murshid Inayat Khan Ya Hadi (O Divine Fiat), guide our life aright, tanzen - -------This was the message I clipped. I guess Tanzen did not say the above. Who did, I still don't know. Are you still my friends, I feel kind of embarassed now. Love Kaffea. ------------------------------ End of tariqas-digest V1 #93 ****************************