From tariqas-digest-approval@europe.std.com Fri Aug 16 11:11:49 1996 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 14:45:34 -0400 (EDT) From: tariqas-digest-approval@europe.std.com Reply-To: tariqas-digest@world.std.com To: tariqas-digest@world.std.com Subject: tariqas-digest V1 #98 tariqas-digest Saturday, 10 August 1996 Volume 01 : Number 098 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lilyan Kay Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:24:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Indonesian coffee asalaam-u-aleikum Apologies to those who think this is too frivolous, but I must say here that Sulawesi is the best coffee I have ever had. Lily ------------------------------ From: "Erik S. Ohlander" Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 22:16:01 Subject: RE: Indonesian coffee wa 'alaykum as-salaam, Good coffee is indeed a gift from God! Erik. >asalaam-u-aleikum > >Apologies to those who think this is too frivolous, but I must say here >that Sulawesi is the best coffee I have ever had. > >Lily > > ------------------------------ From: Fred Rice Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 16:07:57 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: Shamad (correction) Assalamu alaikum, On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, M.I.S. DEPT wrote: > Hi Fariduddien > > As far as I know the Indonesians spell salat as "solat". The letter sad > is "so". :)) Maybe there is more than one way to spell it in Indonesia, but I'm pretty sure I remember seeing the word "shalat".... Wassalam, Fariduddien ------------------------------ From: woodsong@juno.com (Carol Woodsong) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:39:33 PST Subject: Re: Peace Mother beat, pure Song hey-a-ya, hey oh! whispers, distant dreams Her forgotten Song... - --yondanoota the medicine-man yawns, sneeze and sing! hey-a-ya, hey oh! the hornbill dance --rayban turtle Medicine Circle embracing all hey-ee-ya, hey oh! blue jay squawks - --coyote laughing ------------------------------ From: woodsong@juno.com (Carol Woodsong) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 13:09:03 PST Subject: STAR RENGA (21 total) STAR RENGA (21 total) (5, 7, 5 beat to the frame drum, or any drum beat :) Now, Star Light, Star Bright, Rather than a million bucks I seek to find me. -- Wahid, age 40 Star lights a thousand eyes share with me your laughter through clear winter air. -- steve what's that twinkly in your eye must be love come down shining! -- yondanoota When I see the stars The clouds have passed And God winks at thee -- Lalla Stars, why do you blink? - --Though your eyes don't always see, Light is always there. -- Tansen-Muni angels testify root and offspring glorious bright and morning stars -- tanzen, ageless Morning star rising, The golden-faced Gautama On a stony shore -- Saki Zenzaki The star rises slowly It warms my face, and heals me My heart shines more. -- Morning BEar, quickly 50 Process: Transmutation of Essence. Manifestation of Seed. Sing your mortality----loudly. -- Rashida out of the vacuum subatomic particles stars bright that is us -- tanzen northern lights sweep horizon her eyes on fire leaping stardust shining there ....aarifa starlight shining bright grant this wish for me tonight set this heart on fire -- carol, not yet born All the long night without blinking I watch the stars and they watch me finally, my heart is there. -- steve, greyhair Knees bent in helming Huge, 'green' foam hissing below Stars guiding the masts -- Azad before the stars were born into our consciousness I am One with Thee -- woodsong, older than the trees sebelum bintang-bintang lahir dalam kesedaran kita Akulah Satu dengan-Mu --maarof >From a star's shining beam descend's a heavenly being filled with love a new life is born --Ruthie, new to grand-parenthood civilized lights gone deep black spilled with milky white covers us in awe --junnayid, what age is this? * Ovals* @Aliens@ *Stars* Mobius strip with an Infinity twist --wahid wideeyed All the fixed stars move. The brightest stars are planets. Inspirational! --Malik, in the Age of Aquarius light seeing the star the star is looking at we eight seven nova -- abdul karim ------------------------------ From: maarof Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 02:24:33 +0800 Subject: Re: Peace Mother beat, pure Song hey-a-ya, hey oh! whispers, distant dreams Her forgotten Song... - --yondanoota the medicine-man yawns, sneeze and sing! hey-a-ya, hey oh! the hornbill dance --rayban turtle Medicine Circle embracing all hey-ee-ya, hey oh! blue jay squawks - --coyote laughing |this turtle rolls on the floor laughing! :=))) Hee-ee-ya, yey oh! Fish leaps in joy Wind blows my hair a statue smiles --Oneshoe rabbit ------------------------------ From: Well333@turbonet.com (Jacquie Weller) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:40:38 +0100 Subject: Community Net Experiences I have been sitting back examining things I've learned lately, particulary my own mistakes. I discovered how I react to others through this medium, and what part my ego interferes with things. Some of the lessons are hard, but needed for my own learning. I just want people here to know I do love you, and am thankful to be a part of this community. One thing I want to change about me is to instead of reacting, just focus on appreciating the differences of opinions and seeing and appreciating that,not being caught in my own view, or insisting I am right or others or wrong, but just appreciating us in the spirit of love, harmony, and peace. I'm learning that everyone does not have to like me also, or like what I say, whether it is about a bug, cookies, or something serious. I just have to like me and live the only way I know how, putting one foot in front of the other. I also am learning that if I'm blamed for something I did not do, I don't have to worry about it or defend myself as I have done recently, but just let it go, since we are all human, and just go on with living one day at a time. I make mistakes, and bad decisions at times also, and I hope that people will just forgive me when I do. Love Kaffea Lalla PS- I hope this is just one copy, because for some reason whether because of bounced mail or something in the past two or three copies were sent out when it should have been one. So please understand this is not in my control. ------------------------------ From: maarof Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 03:27:20 +0800 Subject: Re: Community Net Experiences Dear Lalla and friends in Tariqas, Thanks for sharing your experience. Here's my short experience with Internet and m-list (Tariqas in particular): Besides Tariqas, I also subscribe to other m-lists. Some are formal, some fun and helpful. Some are very friendly, much friendlier than the environment in Tariqas. Tariqas have about 200 members, but I don't hear much from them, except when the traffic is heavy, and then we hear their complaints. So Lalla, any idea why the majority of Tariqas e-mail list don't post to Habib? salam your 'adopted' brother maarof ------------------------------ From: Jim Bier Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: The Pits I, too am a bit depressed, finding it hard to get on with what I need to do. My spirits are lifted when I sing ' Suban Allah. Alhamdulillah! Allah ho Akbar. Baraka jim On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, Jacquie Weller wrote: > Dear friends, I am low the last couple of days, and my own thinking is > tormenting me. I recognize that balance is not reality for me, or consistency. > I am saying this so you will know just how human I am, and insecure at times. > I love you and thankyou for bearing with me and supporting me. > Love Kaffea Lalla > ------------------------------ From: Ellen L Price Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 13:05:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: The Pits Dear Friends, Perhaps this is a fallow time when we all have to go inside and "regroup." Singing always lifts my spirits, as does rememberance. Much love, Ellen On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, Jim Bier wrote: > I, too am a bit depressed, finding it hard to get on with what I need to > do. My spirits are lifted when I sing ' Suban Allah. Alhamdulillah! > Allah ho Akbar. > > Baraka > > jim > > On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, Jacquie Weller wrote: > > > Dear friends, I am low the last couple of days, and my own thinking is > > tormenting me. I recognize that balance is not reality for me, or consistency. > > I am saying this so you will know just how human I am, and insecure at times. > > I love you and thankyou for bearing with me and supporting me. > > Love Kaffea Lalla > > > ------------------------------ From: Jim Bier Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 16:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Healing Kaffea Lalla, Thank you for continuing to post. Your messages are fundamental and uplifting. jim On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Jacquie Weller wrote: > I know there is healing in my life and I know the healer. I know the love > that changes me day by day. I know if i focus on love, many kinds of > healings occur, mental and psychological. I know my identity in God is > different than the one that I use to believe and have slowly got rid of. I > know that my weaknesses and selfcenterness is just about equal to all human > beings, but change does occur and wellness flow, but not through any one > simplistic attitude or comparisons. > Faith is something that also translates into action, whether it is taking a > vitamin, visiting a friend, believing a healthier new idea, following the > heart, or just saying thankyou God. Ya Shafee, Ya Kafee. > > The thing to notice is being compassionate. Not having the attitude that > people get what they choose, or need to repent for something. This is a > harsh way of looking at the whole person. The important thing to know is > not why so much but how to climb up the rope that God extends, and recieve > the love, understanding, and greater wisdow that God reveals through each of us. > > The pat answers can kill, the letter of the law kills but the spirit gives life. > A condemning word has less power than a electrifying transforming heart, > reaching out to me, with I believe God's best will unfold in your life, if > you will believe with me, we will walk up the path together sharing the joys > and sorrows, but rising to new wonders in God. Nothing is impossible with > God on our side, because our friend is inside, in the spirit of Guidance > unfolding what none of my words can describe. It is a great adventure, each > day. > Kaffea Lalla > ------------------------------ From: Steve H Rose Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 19:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: re: Imam Al Ghazzali (fwd) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 17:20:24 +0800 (SST) From: Imaan Shivani Joshi To: Lilyan Kay Cc: tariqasnet Subject: Re: Imam Al Ghazzali In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Assalaamu 'alaikum wa Rahmatullahe wa Barakatu I have been reading Imam Ghazali quite a bit and basically, I do find much to be followed in his words; perhaps this is because I live in a part of the world where pple interested in Tasawwuf do not have access to any books/many books by others, such as Rumi, etc. But yes, I have definitely noticed a trend in his [Ghazali's] works towards misogynism, and I ,as a woman, cannot possibly condone it:-) I remember when I came across his book on marriage, where he instruct the men to "teach" their wives about religious practices when they are menstruating; gee, when do these woman marry, when they are 9? Another chapter had him talking about the roles of each spouse in a marriage, and while he is not the only one...the man is always portrayed as being strong, logical, calm, etc. The woman, childish, illogical, tempermental. He even went so far as to say and I paraphrase" Even a man as great as our beloved prophet[saw] used to tolerate his wives temperments. He used to stoop to Aisha's level when she wished to play with her dolls..." I did not appreciate this at all, cos to me marriage is more than tolerating each other, more than stooping:-) That said and done, and if one overlooks the misogynism, I do find much that is commendable in his works. I have been recently been blessed with his Ihya collection, and I look forward to reading it, slooooowly:-) Wa 'alaikum salaam wa Rahmatullahe wa Barakatu Fee Amaan Allah, Wasalaam. Imaan Shivani Joshi, sci30342@cobra.nus.sg If you want what Allah[swt] wants then there is no confusion as what Allah[swt] wants happens. From the moment you came into the world of being, a ladder was placed before you that you might escape. He who knows others is wise; he who knows himself is enlightened. [Tao Te Ching] ------------------------------ From: Steve H Rose Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 19:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Community Net Experiences Assalamu alaikum. On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, Jacquie Weller wrote: > I have been sitting back examining things I've learned lately, particulary > my own mistakes. I discovered how I react to others through this medium, and > what part my ego interferes with things. Some of the lessons are hard, but > needed for my own learning. I just want people here to know I do love you, > and am thankful to be a part of this community. One thing I want to change > about me is to instead of reacting, just focus on appreciating the > differences of opinions and seeing and appreciating that,not being caught in > my own view, or insisting I am right or others or wrong, but just > appreciating us in the spirit of love, harmony, and peace. I'm learning > that everyone does not have to like me also, or like what I say, whether it > is about a bug, cookies, or something serious. > I just have to like me and live the only way I know how, putting one foot in > front of the other. I also am learning that if I'm blamed for something I > did not do, I don't have to worry about it or defend myself as I have done > recently, but just let it go, since we are all human, and just go on with > living one day at a time. I make mistakes, and bad decisions at times also, > and I hope that people will just forgive me when I do. > Love Kaffea Lalla > PS- I hope this is just one copy, because for some reason whether because of > bounced mail or something in the past two or three copies were sent out when > it should have been one. So please understand this is not in my control. > Thank you so much for sharing your experience of growth. Your sincerity is clear, and much appreciated. As far as I know, no one of us is perfect (by a LONG shot :-) and one of the most special things about us is if we are moving in the right direction. Yours, Habib ------------------------------ From: maarof Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 14:30:43 +0800 Subject: Web experience ku mosquito skeleton old spider web tattered web blown by the wind snares pedestrian en passant -maro -Lee Salam to tariqas, >From personal exchange of messages, I was informed that there's a reluctance to post to tariqas because one feels intimidate (afraid?) of other people reactions. How fragile... the web and us. salam maarof ------------------------------ From: mardini@webstore.fr (mardini) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:55:52 +0200 Subject: The Qur'an ought to be the Criterion My God;Michael J.Moore, Does not Ghazali and your holy book "Nasihat al-Muluk" contradict the status of women in the Qur'an, in essence and in form? Is it not better to search for their real status in the the multiple ayat ? mardini ------------------------------ From: mardini@webstore.fr (mardini) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 11:04:31 +0200 Subject: Searching for meaning and structure What is the meaning of man's existence ? Can we use this meaning to construct a socio-economic-political system for the human society? mardini ------------------------------ From: ASHA101@aol.com Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 07:03:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Searching for meaning and structure >>>What is the meaning of man's existence ? Can we use this meaning to construct a socio-economic-political system for the human society?<<<< We are doing this all the time, are we not? I don't mean to respond lightly at all, or toss off your thought. Do we not share a common sense of desire to build a beautiful world of beautiful people (to paraphrase the saying of a friend) This is a very deep desire you mention and the sense of how it is done is reflected in the cosmologies of many of the worlds great religions, and in every true spiritual path. Sometimes we forget that it is in the spiritual that we find that spirit of excelence that will lead us in our everyday existence and is the true inspiration behind each of our professional lives. To lead an inspiring life, to find the 'god within' (the etomological root of the English word 'inspire') That is the very life of a sufi. But can we construct anything? yes, but first we need to unlearn everything by giving each other the freedom so constuct thier own beautiful world each in thier own way. Constructing flows out of beauty and in doing this we become the 'created creator' (as Ibn Arabi said); or, as Pir-o-Murshid Inayat Khan said "It is through man that God contemplaates His creation" I think it is imperitive that we aren't just babbeling to pass the time of day here on Tariqas network but all the time learning and unlearning that we may not only be happy ourselves but that we will make a wonderful social and economic and political world that is full of beauty and light. Don't you think? - - Asha ------------------------------ From: frank gaude Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 05:09:13 -0700 Subject: RUMI 1400 RUNNING AND LEAPING NONSTOP till i catch up with the fastest rider annihilating forever vanishing for good till i reach the soul of the world very happy i've become ever since i changed to a piece of fire and with this fire i'll burn my house and dwell in the desert i'll soften and humble i'll change to earth till i grow your flowers in me i'll crawl and flow i'll change myself to water till i can reach your paradise garden without pain no healer will tend me or give me potions i'll change to total pain till i get total healing ever since i was born i was thrown into this world helpless and shivering like a speck of dust in the air but as soon as i reach the end of this journey and settle down i'll be secured and tranquil forever ghazal number 1400, translated December 28, 1991 tanzen ------------------------------ From: Maqam1@aol.com Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:48:36 -0400 Subject: Re: The Qur'an ought to be the Criterion In a message dated 96-08-10 04:57:16 EDT, you write: > Is it not better to search >for their real status in the the multiple ayat ? I agree the Quran should be our criteria for life before we look into other sources this is just MHO. Wa-Laikum Salaam Sh. Kenyatta Chicago,Ill ------------------------------ From: sarmad@ezonline.com (James Brody) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 16:03:11 GMT Subject: Re: STAR RENGA (21 total) On Fri, 9 Aug 1996 13:09:03 PST, you wrote: > STAR RENGA (21 total) (5, 7, 5 beat to the frame drum, or any drum >beat :) > >Now, Star Light, Star Bright, >Rather than a million bucks >I seek to find me. -- Wahid, age 40 > >Star lights a thousand eyes >share with me your laughter >through clear winter air. -- steve > >what's that twinkly in your eye >must be love come down shining! -- yondanoota > >When I see the stars >The clouds have passed >And God winks at thee -- Lalla > >Stars, why do you blink? >--Though your eyes don't always see, >Light is always there. -- Tansen-Muni > >angels testify >root and offspring glorious >bright and morning stars -- tanzen, ageless > >Morning star rising, >The golden-faced Gautama >On a stony shore -- Saki Zenzaki > >The star rises slowly >It warms my face, and heals me >My heart shines more. -- Morning BEar, quickly 50 > >Process: >Transmutation of Essence. >Manifestation of Seed. >Sing your mortality----loudly. -- Rashida > >out of the vacuum >subatomic particles >stars bright that is us -- tanzen > >northern lights sweep horizon >her eyes on fire >leaping stardust shining there ....aarifa > >starlight shining bright >grant this wish for me tonight >set this heart on fire -- carol, not yet born > >All the long night without blinking >I watch the stars and they watch me >finally, my heart is there. -- steve, greyhair > >Knees bent in helming >Huge, 'green' foam hissing below >Stars guiding the masts -- Azad > >before the stars were >born into our consciousness >I am One with Thee -- woodsong, older than the trees > >sebelum bintang-bintang >lahir dalam kesedaran kita >Akulah Satu dengan-Mu --maarof > >>From a star's shining beam >descend's a heavenly being filled with love >a new life is born --Ruthie, new to >grand-parenthood > >civilized lights gone >deep black spilled with milky white >covers us in awe --junnayid, what age is this? > >* Ovals* @Aliens@ >*Stars* Mobius strip with an >Infinity twist --wahid wideeyed > >All the fixed stars move. >The brightest stars are planets. >Inspirational! --Malik, in the Age of Aquarius > >light seeing the star >the star is looking at we >eight seven nova -- abdul karim > Self existent star... Teach that secret to this seeker...here and now --Abraham Sarmad ------------------------------ From: Michael Moore Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 11:47:14 -0700 Subject: Re: The Qur'an ought to be the Criterion mardini wrote: > > My God;Michael J.Moore, Sorry, I don't understand your attitude here. By saying "My God" are you indicating shock at what I wrote? Perhaps the emotion is disgust? Perhaps you are saying this toung-in-cheek? > Does not Ghazali and your holy book "Nasihat al-Muluk" contradict the status I don't understand why you are saying "your holy book". This almost makes me think that 'maybe you think that I was endorsing this book'. Just in case you DO think that I was endorsing this book, let me clarify. I gave the citations as examples of how even great scholars, men that are held in high esteem and almost reverence, can just flat get it wrong! He was unable to stand above and examine his own culture. He could not see that his very attitued towards women was a self fulfilling prophecy. He was causing women to become what he was accusing them of being. > of women in the Qur'an, in essence and in form? Is it not better to search > for their real status in the the multiple ayat ? Yes, much better! But no doubt Ghazali had memorized the Qur'an, and see what he got out of it. And No doubt Ghazali had read all the hadiths too. And no doubt he never missed a prayer and was the most pious of men. How can we then avoid the conclusions that Ghazali drew regarding women? Of course the only answer can be expansion of the heart which leads to direct mystical experience of the truth. > mardini Michael ps. Somebody request the source of those two quotations. Ibid., p. 41 Quoted in Tannahil, pp. 233-234 ------------------------------ End of tariqas-digest V1 #98 ****************************