From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #116 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/116 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 116 Today's Topics: [B7L] BBC repeats finish after Orac. [B7L] 25mm Blakes 7 miniatures. Re: [B7L] On Dayna and Evolution [B7L] Re: FC: Gareth Signing Re: [B7L] Re: Avon and Ananias (still wildly off-topic) Re: [B7L] Torture Re: [B7L] On Dayna and Evolution RE: [B7L] On Dayna and Evolution [B7L] The Incredible Gan RE: [B7L] The Incredible Gan [B7L] Silver Threads Among the "Gold" [B7L] RE: The Incredible Gan Re: [B7L] Liberator's vaults Re: [B7L] Federation Logo Re: [B7L] RE: The Incredible Gan Re: [B7L] RE: The Incredible Gan Re: [B7L] Liberator's vaults Re: [B7L] Randall and Hopkirk Re: [B7L] On Dayna and Evolution Re: [B7L] Moved Away from On Dayna and Evolution [B7L] RE: The Incredible Gan Re: [B7L] Federation Logo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 23:33:35 GMT From: "Andy Spencer" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] BBC repeats finish after Orac. Message-ID: <20000421233336.54386.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi, Here, as promised a while ago, is the information concerning the logged calls for Blakes 7 at the BBC. >From Saturday Feb 12th to Saturday 15th April, there have been 24 calls, mostly praising the BBC for repeating the series. After phoning myself last weekend, the duty officer informed me that they were only committed to repeating the first series, after that she wasn't sure what would be happening. The number to phone is 08700 100 222. Cheers Andy. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:14:55 GMT From: "Andy Spencer" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] 25mm Blakes 7 miniatures. Message-ID: <20000422001455.14816.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi, On a more optimistic note than my last post, Harlequin miniatures may produce a series of 25mm Blakes 7 figures. It seems it's up to us, the fans, to influence their decision. A while ago (just before they brought out their Babylon 5 range of figures) I rang Harlequin and asked about the possibility of a Blakes 7 range being produced. At that time the answer was "watch this space!" That was early last year. Having heard nothing further, I rang them last week to enquire about the current situation. The gentleman at Harlequin said that the release of the Babylon 5 range had put the possibility of a Blakes 7 range on hold. At the moment they were looking for new licence's, Dads Army & 'Allo 'Allo were two under consideration. Again I asked after a Blakes 7 range. I was told that Blakes 7 is rated highly at the Harlequin camp and if interest was shown and enough request's were received they may yet produce a range of Blakes 7 miniatures. Their address & telephone number is: HARLEQUIN MINIATURES LTD, UNIT S3, 632 RADFORD ROAD, BASFORD, NOTTINGHAM, NG7 7EX. (0115 942 2265) If you would like to contact them via e-mail, or to see what a good job they are making of the Dr Who figures check out their web site at: www.harlequin-miniatures.com If we want to see a Blakes 7 range of figures, it's up to us. Cheers Andy. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 03:21:28 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] On Dayna and Evolution Message-ID: <002601bfac02$59b66160$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alison wrote: > Neil said - > > > there are at least four recognised human > >races - Australoids, Caucasoids, Mongoloids and Negroids. > > I've got to disagree with you Neil. The idea of four races is just a bit of > fiction. The populations of Africa show more genetic diversity than exists > between (say) an australian aborigine and a white european, so why lump them > all together as one 'race' and split us and the aborigines into two races? Taxonomically that kind of variation doesn't amount to very much. It is the origin from which diversity sprang, rather than the degree of diversity itself, that counts. There is far more plumage variation in a flock of town pigeons, for example, than there is between the two species of Turtle Dove, yet the former are all of the same species (and same race, though other races of the source species - the Rock Dove - are recognised in North Africa, eastern Europe and Asia). Not having any anthropology texts to hand, and no burning desire to go hunt some down, I can't list any sources for the 'four races' idea (apart from the editorial in #176 of Dragon magazine, which actually suggests five races with a putative sixth. Not what I would call an authoritative source, though). But I've never before come across any active denial of the concept, just as I've never encountered the suggestion that the races are sufficiently distinct genetically to be regarded as actual subspecies (though the terms race and subspecies do tend to be used rather loosely at times). Whether or not the human race is more properly the human races, we are all H. s. sapiens (and as someone else pointed out, we all ultimately came out of Africa). Neil ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:52:17 EDT From: Pherber@aol.com To: freedom-city@blakes-7.org, Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: FC: Gareth Signing Message-ID: <12.35078ed.26328a01@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/21/00 12:07:44 PM Mountain Daylight Time, Judith@blakes-7.com writes: > The first CD will feature Gareth talking about Blake's childhood Let's hope it's a bit more sensible than Paul talking about Avon's! Nina ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 22:25:42 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon and Ananias (still wildly off-topic) Message-ID: <20000421.235811.-32249.0.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 19 Apr 2000 20:56:59 -0400 Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> writes: I'm sure Vargas considered everyone else's > property his own (*not* common to the group, but doled out to them > out of > his great generosity). But as they all arrived on Cygnus Alpha with > virtually nothing and he and his family had evidently organised a > new and > viable society he might just about have been able to argue his case. > > Harriet > Since you bring this up (and you're right that the other matter was way off topic) I have to admit that I never did like the way Vargas et al. were dealt with. He was such a buffoonish villian IMHO when, let's face it, anyone group who could make Cygnus Alpha into a viable society deserves at least that much credit. Oh, all right, I think the idea of an individual or group coming up with the plague idea out of a desperate desire to save the colony instead of just being power mad is more interesting. And then, if the person who started it saw it devolving into what it became and wanted to stop it but feared the resulting chaos and bloodshed would be even worse, that's interesting. Or, if it was started by a true, calculating vilain who was still creating something better than what had been there before, that's thought prevoking. Both scenarios would also challenge Blake's world view, since Vargas' resemblance to the Federation (evil dictator kept in power only through lies and intimidation, etc.) can't have escaped him. But it didn't happen. Alas. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 23:37:54 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Torture Message-ID: <20000421.235811.-32249.2.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 18 Apr 2000 20:56:15 -0700 Pat Patera writes: > Murray wrote: > >Yes, I liked this element of unpredictability. I have to say that I > liked > >the way Avalon looked 'dazed and passive', because it _looked_ as > if she > >had been tortured, unlike Princess Leia in 'Star Wars ... > > good point. not a hair or eyelash out of place on Leia. > Avon, of course, looks positively shattered (or at least dazed and > exhausted) after his torture scene in season 3 (no spoilers!) and > even > in season 4, (Moloch) after having his arm twisted, remains fragile > for > a spell. In Leia's defense, she had some Force talents which may have helped. Also, I've always suspected Vader didn't lean on her quite as hard as he wanted Tarkin to think (though why is a VERY long story, suffice it to say he may have some reasons for feeling more kindly to her family than he likes to let on). OTOH, what is her dress made out of? It survived torture, shoot outs, AND being soaked in a sewer without a stain (is this the real reason she wears white so much? Those other outfits were just her indestructable dress resewn into something else?). I'm not even going to speculate on the obvious Servalan wardrope connection and its implications. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 23:19:53 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] On Dayna and Evolution Message-ID: <20000421.235811.-32249.1.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Advantages of fair skin : lower melanin is connected to lower skin damage from frostbite, I understand. However, I read ages back European paleness is supposed to be connected to another vitamin problem deficiency (my brain is saying iodine, but I'm not sure how that would work) where fair skin help them cope, making them paler than other cold climate types. Also, while Europeans are more likely to get skin cancer, they are less likely to get the more lethal forms. I'd say mixed ancestory would be the best way to go. Hybrid vigor could be a real winner, here. Or domes. Making up a ST/B7 history, I personally favor them as alternate timelines with the following history (yes, lengthy post incoming): In the B7 universe, there don't seem to be any Vulcans (Avon bleeds red, remember?). Speculation as to why aside, this means there wouldn't have been any Vulcans flying by when what's-his-name invented warp drive in the aftermath of either the Eugenics War or some other, Very Bad event. So, no alien contact. More importantly, no influx of help from friendly aliens. Circumstances leading to a peaceful coalition of world governments didn't happen. Let's assume America was hurt worse in this war, one way or another (anything from normal hurt to depletion of natural resources, damaged genes, lowered population, who knows?). Europe, as a center of science and technology, swings way ahead. British English (or a language partly descended from it) becomes dominant. The Southern part of Africa, still in a Third World state, was relatively uninvolved in the war, especially any radiation or biological warfare oriented ways. Genetically, they remain the most unscathed group. In Europe, some kind of space drive (probably not warp) is invented. Colonization ensues. Europeans dominate early settlements. There is a brief period forcing more mixed colonies through legal means, but Southern Africans have less reason to emigrate (different social, genetic [if your neighborhood's radioactive, you may want to move more than someone whose neighborhood isn't], and environmental influences, I guess). Genetic damage and emigration both drain Europe's population. Naturally, they make an effort to find and train replacements. The grading system may have begun at this point. It may also have been an outgrowth of ST's Eugenics Wars, giving favored status to those deemed genetically superior (Sub-Saharan Africa again wins out). I admit the wrinkle is that there seems to have been another big war the Federation rose from, but that doesn't mean things were all rosy before. Anyhow, racial mixing, a tendency to view people of Southern African descent as superior, British accents, European descended worlds, and the citizen grading system, I think that covers most of it. Of course, in Children of Auron there was a man with a noticeably Far Eastern accent and ethnic features. He also mentioned not being as connected as some people. Any ideas what could have happened in Asia? Obviously, they didn't fair as well. Any thoughts? Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:12:25 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: RE: [B7L] On Dayna and Evolution Message-ID: <20000422071225.3550.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Jacqueline wrote: Oh, but Avon's very egalitarian, really - an equal-opportunity sneerer. He could find something to despise (or *profess* to despise) in absolutely everyone... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:50:51 EDT From: RCalla6725@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] The Incredible Gan Message-ID: <79.330c47b.2633083b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Loads of Hulk-like encounters in this week's episode. I do find that while he can come up with initially impressive situations, Terry Nation is ultimately limited, unlike other writers like Holmes and Boucher. It's only episode ten and already we're back in the familiar territories of meteorite storms and "space medicine". I'd love to see the second series, as, while I've only seen one or two of the episodes, what I have seen tells me the diversity of writers leads to a marked improvement in the series' scope. But will we get to see the second series?: << In a message dated 22/04/00 00:35:28 GMT Daylight Time, stickman1968@hotmail.com writes: After phoning myself last weekend, the duty officer informed me that they were only committed to repeating the first series, after that she wasn't sure what would be happening. The number to phone is 08700 100 222. >> Just got the same message myself, not very promising really. But only 24 calls logged? I might ring a few more times myself, just to get that tally up. Maybe we all could? I read yesterday that the figures are now as low as 700,000 - cancellation imminent? Finally, why is it only the female members of the crew get called by their Christian names? Richard ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:11:00 +0200 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: RE: [B7L] The Incredible Gan Message-ID: <39DCDDFD014ED21185C300104BB3F99FE9CA62@NL-ARN-MAIL01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Richard wrote: > Finally, why is it only the female members of the crew get > called by their Christian names? Such as Vila Restal? Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:05:16 -0400 From: "Dana Shilling" To: "b7" Subject: [B7L] Silver Threads Among the "Gold" Message-ID: <000501bfac7c$f04a8140$5a694e0c@dshilling> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is not very PC of me, as I'm quite an autumnal chicken myself, but I can't help wondering if the BBC TV movie is going to take the first scene of "Moloch" as a point of departure: TARRANT: What would Servalan want with a retirement colony? AVON: Who knows? Perhaps she wants to compare notes with some other geriatric maniacs. Or take a refresher course in basic shuffleboard. I'm enjoying the thought of rebel OAPs making daring daylight raids on senior citizen matinees and booby-trapping Federation zimmer frames... Dana ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:08:03 EDT From: RCalla6725@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] RE: The Incredible Gan Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 22/04/00 17:11:28 GMT Daylight Time, jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl writes: << > Finally, why is it only the female members of the crew get > called by their Christian names? Such as Vila Restal? Jacqueline >> Okay, why is it only the female members of the crew, and Vila, get called by their Christian names? Mind you, Vila is effeminate. Maybe it's some macho "call me by my last name" schtick they're all coming out with. It just struck me this week, as, even in moments of great sadness, a crew member is consoled by being called "Blake" or "Gan", etc. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:11:48 +0100 From: Patrick Bean To: Sally Manton Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Liberator's vaults Message-ID: <49b353d9b1pdbean@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 21 Apr, Sally Manton wrote: > They're still rather well-off revolutionaries (not quite so much by > Kairos, maybe? since they're all - even Vila - rather enthusiastic > about the profits of piracy. Maybe the treasure room got holed over > Star One ?) I do not think so, If you remember in "Power Play" Avon said "this shio carries considerable sums...." -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / pdbean@argonet.co.uk (Patrick David Bean) | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ Web http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pdbean ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:51:27 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: Re: [B7L] Federation Logo Message-ID: <200004221351_MC2-A238-6768@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Marian remarked: >With the increase in travel and migration, the number >of interracial relationships is ever growing and it >seems a logical assumption that this trend will continue. Fairly off-topic (so what's new?), I heard a fascinating-if-true statistic quoted a few days ago, to the effect that four per cent of black American males had white partners, but 40 per cent of black British males did. I didn't take in the reason for the massive difference. Has anyone else heard anything to support or deny this? Sometimes the consequences re recessive genes are not quite what one expects, eg I have seen "black" people with blue eyes - which I understand means blue-eyed grandparents on both sides, so that suggests at least two generations of interracial relationships. For some reason, this cheered me enormously. Kathryn quoted an interesting theory on Trek: >"Tarrant's grandson was a hero in every sense of the word. >Avon would have hated him. So, to be really obvious and hoping it doesn't annoy Pat too much, exactly how were the Siskos related to Dayna? I think I prefer the B7-Federation-being-the-corrupted-Trek-Federation, myself, and the Mellanbys as descendants of Sisko and Kassidy. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 14:19:41 EDT From: Tigerm1019@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] RE: The Incredible Gan Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 04/22/2000 12:10:50 PM Central Daylight Time, RCalla6725@aol.com writes: > Okay, why is it only the female members of the crew, and Vila, get called by > their Christian names? Mind you, Vila is effeminate. Maybe it's some macho > "call me by my last name" schtick they're all coming out with. It could just be the custom in the Federation. Also, Blake's uncle, Ushton, was called by his first name in "Hostage." Maybe it's just a matter of personal preference, and many men got used to being called by their last names in school, or in Tarrant's case, the military. Other places may have other customs. In "Death-Watch," Deeta Tarrant, Teal's First Champion was commonly known by his first name, as were Max and Vinni, apparently. Vinni calls Deeta by his last name, but in a derogatory fashion. Zukan and the other warlords also seemed to be called by their first names (or perhaps those were their only names). Tiger M ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 14:21:24 -0700 From: Nick Moffitt To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] RE: The Incredible Gan Message-ID: <20000422142124.I30762@zork.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii begin RCalla6725@aol.com quotation: > Okay, why is it only the female members of the crew, and Vila, get > called by their Christian names? Mind you, Vila is effeminate. Maybe > it's some macho "call me by my last name" schtick they're all coming > out with. It's actually a military tradition. Since most military uniforms have the wearer's last name on them, that's what people call them. Note in Red Dwarf you had Dave Lister, Arnold Rimmer, and Christine Cochansky, all called by their last names. Presumably Tarrant would have done this by virtue of being a space commander. Travis always sounded like a first name to me (and a stoner one at that), but I'm sure I'm missing his first name. Avon, Blake, and Gan? Dunno. Perhaps they had a military background. -- CrackMonkey.Org - Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks LinuxCabal.Org - Co-location facilities and meeting space Pigdog.Org - The Online Handbook for Bad People of the Future You are not entitled to your opinions. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:25:17 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Liberator's vaults Message-ID: <20000422222517.54011.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed After I wrote: ?)> Patrick reminded me: True. Damn, I liked that idea...so where *did* the money go? (I really cannot see Vila and Cally, at least,* going in for the piracy unless they needed the money, and the clear inference from Cygnus Alpha was that the amount in the treasure room could keep them all in more than adequate luxury. * Vila may be greedy, but he's not insanely so - cowardice would win out here. Tarrant and Dayna would be all for it, of course, course it's Exciting and Fun. Avon wasn't paying any attention whatsoever (alternately, Avon spent the money chasing information of you-know-who and got out-voted...) > >-- > __ __ __ __ __ ___ >_____________________________________________ >|__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / pdbean@argonet.co.uk (Patrick David Bean) >| || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines >___________________________/ Web http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pdbean > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:05:58 +0100 From: "Ariana" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Randall and Hopkirk Message-ID: <005801bfacb0$1f9456a0$2eed07c3@ariana> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > don'd forget Gareth Thomas is in this Saturday's episode of Randall and Hopkirk > on BBC1 And what fun it all was! I'm going to miss that half of my Saturday's entertainment: B7 in the afternoon (or whenever the BBC ping-pong sends it), and then Randall and Hopkirk in the evening. OK, I'll admit it, I have an idea for a crossover... Ariana http://www.alpha.ndirect.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:10:04 +0100 From: "Ariana" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] On Dayna and Evolution Message-ID: <005901bfacb0$204cf840$2eed07c3@ariana> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Someone (was that you, Ariana?) pointed out a few weeks ago that Avon behaved > like a man who thinks he has something to prove. That was me, and I hold by my opinion. Avon is too nasty to everyone to be from a secure high-grade background, IMHO. Funny to see him in a panic in today's "Breakdown", btw. I must work on that review... Ariana http://www.alpha.ndirect.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 16:25:08 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Moved Away from On Dayna and Evolution Message-ID: <20000422232508.91499.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Ariana wrote: Yes please - I love your reviews (and I love Breakdown. Great combination.) If, as Andy S says, the BBC stop showing them after Orac (just as they move into the *best* series, mutter grumble), maybe you can if you can borrow the tapes and keep going? I'm eager to hear your views on the Subject-That-Not-Everyone-Wants-To-Hear-About and 'Redemption'... PS - I'd make a few phone calls myself, out of the goodness of my heart, but I think the international signals would be a dead giveaway. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 16:28:37 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] RE: The Incredible Gan Message-ID: <20000422232837.53839.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Richard wrote: Actually, we don't *know* that all females are - Servalan, Kasabi, Avalon and Soolin could all be surnames…(most fanfic I've read takes the first two as such). And it's uneven - Blake's uncle calls him Roj, Tarrant's brother (and Tarrant's brother's friend who doesn't even know Tarrant) call him Del, but (as we recently discussed) Avon's brother and lover both call him Avon, and Sula calls her husband by his (presumed) surname Chesku. I think it's usually passed off as a caste thing (higher grades use surnames), with regional variations (to explain DeathWatch) and some allowance for personal preference (personally, I'd prefer Blake, Avon and Gan to Roj, Kerr and Oleg...but Restal's quite nice.) And Nick wrote: The idea of Avon in the military was bad enough (shot for insubordination within three weeks), but *Blake...???* That's even worse - he wouldn't last three *days*...(you may have noticed his invariable reaction to being given orders, even at the point of a weapon). And TigerM: Again, they *could* have been surnames (one hopes not - Zeeona Zukan is not pretty.) Or even surname/titles like 'Caesar'. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 06:19:30 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Federation Logo Message-ID: <20000423061930.A9280@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sat, Apr 22, 2000 at 01:51:27PM -0400, Harriet Monkhouse wrote: > > Kathryn quoted an interesting theory on Trek: > >"Tarrant's grandson was a hero in every sense of the word. > >Avon would have hated him. > > So, to be really obvious and hoping it doesn't annoy Pat too much, exactly > how were the Siskos related to Dayna? I think I prefer the > B7-Federation-being-the-corrupted-Trek-Federation, myself, and the > Mellanbys as descendants of Sisko and Kassidy. Um, were you asking me? If so, the answer was, Dayna was the ancestress of Uhura. The epilogue in question was written well before any of the new-fangled Treks came on the scene. -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #116 **************************************