From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #120 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/120 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 120 Today's Topics: [B7L] Bergerac Nation (was Re: [B7L] The Incredible Gan) [B7L] RE: B7L: Help--I have a few questions Re: [B7L] Avon and Aliens [B7L] Gareth clip on Randall and Hopkirk Re: [B7L] First impressions: "Breakdown" [B7L] Avon and Aliens [B7L] Re: Backgrounds and Manners [B7L] Pointless observation... Re: [B7L] Gareth clip on Randall and Hopkirk Lost technology Servalan's forename [was [B7L] RE: The Incredible Gan] [B7L] Zine Sale List updated [B7L] Avon's Ultraworld Costume [B7L] 'Together Again' Re: Nation (was Re: [B7L] The Incredible Gan) [B7L] links to page ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:30:54 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List cc: Freedom City Subject: [B7L] Bergerac Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Bloody BBC! Can't even show programmes when they advertise them. Thursday's episode of Bergerac was shown today - I know - I was at the gym at the time and saw Gareth on the TV there and was, of course, unable to tape it. The BBC tell me that today's epsiode was dropped as the plot would remind people of Jill Dando's murder and it's a year since she died. At least it's a reason, even if it isn't a terribly good one. Judith PS. Actually I recognised his voice before I spotted the face. Voices are more distinctive in many ways and they change less over time. -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 22:23:56 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Nation (was Re: [B7L] The Incredible Gan) Message-ID: <20000426222356.A891@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 10:21:32AM +0000, Mat Shayde wrote: > I find, from watching Nation's Blake's 7, Dr Who and Avengers episodes, that > he's good at coming up with initial ideas and scenarios but that he isn't > very good at developing them and needs a strong Script Editor (i.e. Chris > Boucher) to keep him on the straight and narrow and to get the best out of > him. [snip] > However Nation is also responsible for the superb Genesis of the Daleks, the > Script Editor for which was Robert Holmes who seems to be able to inspire > Nation to produce a great script and some superb characterisation. I think > that Nation *needed* this sort of sounding board to push him into producing > better scripts. Just my point of view mind you... Or, alternatively, all the best bits were written by the Script Editors in question. I only raise this possibility because of remarks I seem to remember about the first-season scripts, that the pressure-deadline was such that Chris Boucher ended up finishing, or at least, polishing them. And since Robert Holmes is another one of those writers good enough for them to have been mentioned often enough that I actually recognise his name (is he not famous for writing good Avon-Vila dialogue?), then I suspect similar polishing could have gone on with him, too. Another point is that Terry Nation may have written the Daleks, and caused them to say "Exterminate!" but it was the designer who was clever enough to make them look like pepper pots instead of robots. If they'd looked like Gort, then no one would ever remember them. But, to get back to the original point, Terry Nation *was* good with the ideas. Not just Daleks and B7, but The Survivors was a good 'un as well. I'm told that the later season(s) deteriorated, but the concept did *start* well. (I've only seen a few episodes of The Survivors). K. A. -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:06:02 EDT From: JEB31538@cs.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] RE: B7L: Help--I have a few questions Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dragonfly asked several questions because she's a new fan. I agree with Julia's suggestion that Redemption 2001 would be a good con to go to. Actually, isn't it the only real B7 oriented con even scheduled in England currently? As for getting the 1992 videos, if you use Ebay quite often the videos (PAL & NTSC) are for sale there. Check under Blakes 7 and Blake's 7. But you'll have to be careful to make sure what is being advertised. Perhaps someone on Lysator who bought the new videos has the older set and might be willing to sell them used. In America here when we order the videos through a video store we get the 1992 verson. You might ask at a mail order company in England if they carry the older issue. I would imagine they do and probably have a backlog they'd like to get rid of. There should be several different companies you could check. I imagine Virgin is the biggest. Welcome to Blake's 7 and Lysator, by the way. It's always neat to find new fans in Blake's 7. And if you're interested in the fiction part of B7, then be sure to order some of the zines listed in the sale that Susan Beth mentioned. The prices are good. As for clubs, I think the best you can do is join HORIZON and AVON and they don't have meetings. Avon publishes a newsletter twice a year. HORIZON should be doing a newsletter soon. In 1999 they didn't manage to publish even one newsletter, but there's hope that 2001 will bring a new regular issue (# 40) and perhaps they'll be able to get back to two issues a year again. (You join for four issues, no matter how long it takes them to do them.) The magazine SFX has free reader's ads. You could put a notice in it for pen pals or ask for information about sci-fi clubs close to your area. Also, you could put in a want ad for the 1992 videos. I bet you'd get some replies if you did. Do buy an SFX and check out the reader's ads. Also, you could write a letter to the editor which might get printed in which you ask for information about clubs. Check out Judith Proctor's website for lots of information and links. http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7/index.html Joyce Bowen JEB31538@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:28:10 +0200 From: "Marian de Haan" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon and Aliens Message-ID: <002401bfafb5$90e2fe80$4dee72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ellynne G. wrote: >Uh, let me just say that I'm more prone to thinking of Avon as a possible >alien / not quite human type than an android ... And in Shadow he admits that the alien Cally is more human than he. :-) Ellynne, I love this idea. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:16:34 EDT From: JEB31538@cs.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Gareth clip on Randall and Hopkirk Message-ID: <99.3f9c075.2638a8a2@cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IF you have the right "equipment," you can watch a clip of Gareth on Randall and Hopkirk on the web. I couldn't be bothered to download the right stuff so I missed it, but for you more net adept folks, go to this site: http://www.radiotimes.beeb.com/randallandhopkirk/ This will get you there eventually. The specific url which I suppose that you can click on is http://www.radiotimes.beeb.com/randallandhopkirk/whoisinit/star_clip_10.html Gareth is at the bottom. Last, but not least, I am sure. Joyce Bowen JEB31538@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:09:50 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] First impressions: "Breakdown" Message-ID: <20000426210950.62126.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Marian wrote: Six and two threes - as Farren says, the Liberator has little choice but to fight and neither he nor Avon seems to think they will have much hope. Given that, the cautious thing to do would be to take Farren's offer (and send a warning to the Liberator if he felt he had to) then deal with Kayn when he had to (there being a rather good chance that Kayn would get trapped on the Liberator anyway.) Avon's immediate reaction is significant - "it was naive of me to expect you to keep your word". - Farren is right, it *is* unfair (not that that ever worried My Hero) and illogical an emotional rather than a reasonable reaction. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:11:52 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Avon and Aliens Message-ID: <20000426211152.31456.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed After Carol wrote: Ellynne answered: Agreed - after all, the alien had seemingly already fastened on Avon as the main threat (he'd shown a touch too much interest in Cally's recognition of the vehicle as a tomb, and the alien has promptly tried to make it *his* as well.) So Cally could have been pushed by the alien's feeling of threat, and used the excuse to turn on him (as Tarrant did in the squabble). And Julia wrote: As he does with Cally in Kairos. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:27:49 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Backgrounds and Manners Message-ID: <20000426212749.72987.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Dana wrote: Interesting idea, but unless we can come up with something that explains the lack of *physical* reserve (he is veeerrry comfortable moving into other people's extremely personal space, or with them moving into his, something that I can't see with a truly shy person) I have problems here. I see Avon as simply disinterested in people as such - he can be rude to the majority of people for his own amusement, because their feelings don't actually interest him - *they* don't interest him to the point of *thinking* about them as human beings. (There are of course a few - very few - exceptions to this rule...) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:10:40 EDT From: RCalla6725@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Pointless observation... Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ... does anyone else here use a computer at work that has a title screen of "Novello computer system powered by Z.E.N."? And if so are you as sad as me and think of B7 every single morning when you see it? Just thought I'd mention it... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 09:12:38 +1000 From: Jeff To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Gareth clip on Randall and Hopkirk Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000427090544.00ab4b10@mail.bigpond.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 26/04/2000 04:16 PM -0400, Joyce wrote: >IF you have the right "equipment," you can watch a clip of Gareth on Randall >and Hopkirk on the web. http://www.radiotimes.beeb.com/randallandhopkirk/whosinit/index.html Want to keep the Quicktime clip of Gareth? Can't save it? Straight after viewing the clip, if your on a PC, do a search on your hard disk for gareththomas_288[1].mov, and copy the file out of your temporary internet folder to somewhere safe. Jeff -- joxer@bigpond.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:51:01 +1000 From: "Roger the Shrubber" To: "blake's seven" Subject: Lost technology Message-Id: <200004270108.LAA11906@vasquez.zip.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a very interesting post on lost technology, Ellynne wrote ***** ....the emphasis on stealing the Liberator rather than being reinspired to do further research on the things Liberator proved were possible [we never hear of them reopening the teleport project]). ***** Afterlife by Tony Attwood makes some references to teleports...... A snippet .."...With the equipment Avon has and the knowledge he has of teleport (which although virtually unparalleled is none the less limited), it will take him around four and a half years to construct even a working model. Then assuming that no faults are discovered in the model system it will take a further three years to develop a full scale operating teleport" darren r Panic Disorder http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2634/index.html _________________ There are some things one must know about if one is to be educated. _________________ The aspiration to be number one and gain great fame is both natural in man and, properly trained, one of the soul's great strengths. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:09:36 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: Servalan's forename [was [B7L] RE: The Incredible Gan] Message-ID: <200004262109_MC2-A2B9-2FCE@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sally wrote: >it's Charity Servalan, remember? Or was it >Chastity I christened her? Oh well Still thinking of Liaisons Dangereuses, I have long believed Servalan to be a descendant of the Marquise de Merteuil. So it would be nice if they had the same name, except that I can't remember Laclos ever revealing what that was. But the Clonemaster thought she was French, didn't she? Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:05:53 -0400 From: Susan Beth To: freedom-city@blakes-7.org, blake7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Zine Sale List updated Message-Id: <3.0.4.32.20000427000553.007177f4@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Quick update: Fans obviously recognized a bargain when they saw it -- almost all of the zines have already been claimed. :-) To keep people from wasting their time ordering zines that are no longer available, here's the list of what remains. If you think you might want some of these, I suggest you don't mull it over very long or someone faster on the email will have snaffled them out from under you. (As before, feel free to pass this list along.) Please note that all replies should go to wrenmoyer@aol.com not me. ==-==-==-==-==-==-== Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:15:15 EDT Subject: Revised zine list Zines for Sale! This is what's left of the zines I had for sale. All items are $8 unless otherwise indicated. Buy 4 items, get the 5th free (lowest-priced item is free). All prices include postage within the U.S. (book rate). I'm sorry, but since I'm dealing with a very limited amount of time, and since our (fairly rural) post office has problems handling overseas mail, I'm not going to be able to ship zines out of the U.S. Please send all inquiries/orders to wrenmoyer@aol.com. PLEASE forward this to any friends or fannish mailing lists that you think might be interested! Red Dwarf Smegazine: Volume 2, #8 $4 Red Dwarf Smegazine: Volume 2, #3 $4 Red Dwarf Smegazine: Volume 2, #2 $4 ADULT ZINES (AGE STATEMENT NEEDED): Straight Blakes #3 (het adult B7) X-plicit Fantasies (X-Files slash) Homosapien Fourplay (multimedia slash) A Frisky Out of Water (multimedia slash; $4-small) GENZINES: You Pay and Pay and Pay (Due South hurt/comfort; G-R rated.) Timelog 11 (Doctor Who) Susan Beth (susanbeth33@mindspring.com) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 22:39:38 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List cc: Freedom City Subject: [B7L] Avon's Ultraworld Costume Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I'll be closing bidding on Saturday. Any bid sent in that's Saturday by your local time will be accepted. (Any bid close to the deadline will be mentioned to the current highest bidder to allow him/her to respond if they desire.) current high bid is 850 pound. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:27:14 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] 'Together Again' Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII 'Seven' is now back from being duplicated. Sheelagh persuaded them to give her a longer tape than normal, so it's an 80 min tape rather than a 60 min one, but for the same price. Once all the photos have been stuck on, they'll be ready for mailing. You can place an order via myself or Sheelagh Wells. See http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 for full details (I'm too sore to type it all out again) Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 08:59:33 GMT From: "Mat Shayde" To: kat@welkin.apana.org.au, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: Nation (was Re: [B7L] The Incredible Gan) Message-ID: <20000427085933.61216.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Kathryn Andersen wrote >On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 10:21:32AM +0000, Mat Shayde wrote: > > I find, from watching Nation's Blake's 7, Dr Who and Avengers episodes, >that > > he's good at coming up with initial ideas and scenarios but that he >isn't > > very good at developing them and needs a strong Script Editor (i.e. >Chris > > Boucher) to keep him on the straight and narrow and to get the best out >of > > him. > >[snip] > > However Nation is also responsible for the superb Genesis of the Daleks, >the > > Script Editor for which was Robert Holmes who seems to be able to >inspire > > Nation to produce a great script and some superb characterisation. I >think > > that Nation *needed* this sort of sounding board to push him into >producing > > better scripts. Just my point of view mind you... > >Or, alternatively, all the best bits were written by the Script >Editors in question. I only raise this possibility because of remarks >I seem to remember about the first-season scripts, that the >pressure-deadline was such that Chris Boucher ended up finishing, or >at least, polishing them. Yeah, that's the other alternative. In fact it's probably the most likely one, I was trying to be charitable. :) I seem to recall (although memory might be cheating) Boucher once saying that after Terry Nation had seen the first few episodes of Blake's 7 he asked Terry what he thought and Terry replied "It's very good, I just wish I'd had something to do with it." >And since Robert Holmes is another one of those writers good enough >for them to have been mentioned often enough that I actually recognise >his name (is he not famous for writing good Avon-Vila dialogue?), then >I suspect similar polishing could have gone on with him, too. Robert Holmes is very good at writing dialogue for two characters and so Avon and Vila were a gift for him. A lot of his Dr Who scripts have a character pair in them who have sharp dialogue and good interaction. It's a sort of trademark of his. >Another point is that Terry Nation may have written the Daleks, and >caused them to say "Exterminate!" but it was the designer who was >clever enough to make them look like pepper pots instead of robots. >If they'd looked like Gort, then no one would ever remember them. True, I'm not denying that. I always feel rather sorry for Raymond Cusick - Nation made a fortune out of the Daleks and Cusick, who was responsible for their distinctive design, got nothing. However my point was only really about the way the Daleks act. In early Nation scripts and in stories my Whitaker and Aaronovitch the Daleks act, they interact, they plot and plan, they have dialogue. Whereas in Nation's weaker Dalek scripts they are just like tanks - no really 'personality' (for want of a better word.) or interest, they could be any robots with guns. Dorian - "You mean you're here by choice?" ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 20:43:16 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" , JMDG James Morrison Discussion Group List Subject: [B7L] links to page Message-ID: <20000427204316.A5836@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just a quick note to say that if you have links which are pointing to my connexus page (or sub-pages thereof, such as the B7 page), you may wish to change them to replace the home.connnexus.net.au with www.foobox.net I decided to get a redirection service - not that I'm planning on moving, but it's nice to have, just in case. The official email address for Refractions is now zines@foobox.net But, no I'm not changing any of my mailing list subscriptions - too much hassle, since I would end up posting from a different address. -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://foobox.net/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #120 **************************************