From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #121 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/121 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 121 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Help...I have a few Questions Re: [B7L] On Dayna and Evolution [B7L] liber avonis Re: [B7L] Avon and Aliens Re: Nation (was Re: [B7L] The Incredible Gan) Re: [B7L] Help...I have a few Questions [B7L] Strangerers [B7L] Zines [B7L] Re: Help...I have a few Questions Re: [B7L] Zines [B7L] Re: Servalan's forename ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:37:55 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Help...I have a few Questions Message-ID: <000401bfb071$3a3afa80$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Calle wrote: > As far as I can see, Nick's mails are perfectly fine. However, the > three of you who have posted about having problems reading them are > all using Microsoft Outlook Express. The temptation to just say > "Change to _real_ mailreader" is rather great. I too use MS Outlook Express, and I can't read Nick's emails either. Life's a bitch, innit? Neil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:48:35 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] On Dayna and Evolution Message-ID: <000601bfb071$3d252220$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lisabeth wrote: > I wonder if the Jews made it as a distinct group into the Federation era? > Can't recall any Commander Cohens > or Governor Levis. I've been known to put Jews in some of my fanfic. There was a reference to the 'Judaiac Separatist Militia' on a planet called New Haifa in 'Hunter'. An unfinished story had a space colonel Gurion Shemir in the Federation ranks, though he was Jewish by race only, not by faith. (In my subcanon, the faithful are sitting it out on the Promised Worlds, waiting for the rad count in the Jerusalem Crater to drop down to survivable levels). If we're going to confuse characters with actors, then Travis I and Anna Grant (but not Avon) are Jewish. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 00:47:03 +0100 From: "Jonathan Coupe" To: Subject: [B7L] liber avonis Message-ID: <005901bfb16c$0e6752e0$2e54883e@LocalHost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At the risk of pointing people at a site they've already pored over until it's burnt onto their eyeballs - the Liber Avonis is superb. It's at: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6390/liber.html I just wish I could recognize all the classical references. Does anyone have any suggestions for what the inspiration for The Death Of Villa might be? Greek Tragedy surely, but which one? (I'm fairly sure that it's not one of the ones that got recycled as a Dr Who episode - which should narrow the field considerably.) Has anyone ever met the site author, Helen Steele? Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:28:32 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon and Aliens Message-ID: <20000427.232834.-521409.2.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:28:10 +0200 "Marian de Haan" writes: > Ellynne G. wrote: > >Uh, let me just say that I'm more prone to thinking of Avon as a > possible > >alien / not quite human type than an android ... > > And in Shadow he admits that the alien Cally is more human than he. > :-) > Ellynne, I love this idea. > Why, thank you. I always thought that line in Shadow hinted at something. Add to that the little ways in which Avon seems to be coming from a different perspective than the other characters, and I admit I begin to wonder. Then there's the line in The Web the comment is made about looking at Cally's eyes and no one being home (yes, I'm paraphrasing, sorry). Then the follow up comment where Avon is quoted as saying that's because she's an alien. All right, I used this to speculate about the Avon-Cally relationship, but I admit I've thought about it in terms of Avon's humanity. Skipping the many comments made about Avon's eyes (not, alas, on the show), there was one picture that came to mind during one or the other viewings of this episode (this isn't the idea used for the fanfic Kathryn mentioned, although there are some loose similarities). Imagine an alien with a much longer life than the average human somehow marooned in human territory with no way back to his own kind except the rather unlikely chance of rescue. Humans are xenophobic, so he has to make darn sure they think he's one of them if he wants to survive. He's been at this for a century or so. He has plenty of reasons to consider himself superior to humans, but he's also built up some good defenses. Remember, these people die on him. He's outlived everyone who was alive when he first showed up. Then, he meets Cally. For an instant, he wonders if she's one of his kind. He realizes she's not, but there's this mixed draw-fear thing. There both isolated, exiles. But he's not about to risk opening up. When he makes the comment about her eyes, it isn't because she doesn't let people in. It's because he's standing on thin ice and deliberately blocking off any possibility of ... anything. When he faces the alien in Sarcophagus, he saves Cally. He also kills a creature who may have been more like him than any of the others. One of my many B7 problems is the way I can come up with a dozen scenarios for subtext off of the same episode. Kind of annoying. Ah, well. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:07:37 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: Nation (was Re: [B7L] The Incredible Gan) Message-ID: <20000427.232834.-521409.1.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 22:23:56 +1000 Kathryn Andersen writes: > On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 10:21:32AM +0000, Mat Shayde wrote: > > I find, from watching Nation's Blake's 7, Dr Who and Avengers > episodes, that > > he's good at coming up with initial ideas and scenarios but that > he isn't > > very good at developing them and needs a strong Script Editor > (i.e. Chris > > Boucher) to keep him on the straight and narrow and to get the > best out of > > him. > > Or, alternatively, all the best bits were written by the Script > Editors in question. [big snip] > But, to get back to the original point, Terry Nation *was* good with > the ideas. Not just Daleks and B7, but The Survivors was a good 'un > as well. I'm told that the later season(s) deteriorated, but the > concept did *start* well. (I've only seen a few episodes of The > Survivors). This somehow reminds me of Phantom Menace. George Lucas has a great imagination and is particularly strong in his ability to visualize all sorts of breathtaking scenes and make them reality. OTOH, character direction has never been his strong point. Phantom Menace, done after 20+ years away from the camera, was a case in point (side issue: I think the criticism Jake Lloyd got was especially unfair. There were acknowledged Oscar calibre actors in this movie who just didn't come across as overly impressive, and we're supposed to believe a nine year old dealing with dialogue an adult would find stilted is supposed to rise above it all? [OTOH, I can see why the comparison to The Sixth Sense. It's not just that acting and directing (as far as mood building and such) are better, it's that it's more what some people expected on an emotional level. The innocent child who is at the center of terrifying events, who is threatened by the very gift that sets him apart, and whose helpers are not quite as benign as even they would like to believe. Compare this to what you wanted from young Anakin, a kid who has a talent that threatens to destroy him, who finds a mentor in Ben who may (with the best of intentions) be leading him to destruction. Then there's the fragile relationship with the mother, her being one of his few emotional anchors even though he has every reason to believe she won't cope with what's happening to him - and she gives signs of not having what it takes to cope, period, no matter what she would _like_ to do]). B7: The Phantom Menace. No, I just don't see it. Now, Avon and the Sixth Sense has possiblities. Avon's got plenty of threatening ghosts he could meet up with, although Vila would be better at being threatened by them (I think that's why Vila is sometimes considered effeminate. Unfortunately, being threatened and needing rescue are considered female things. Also, female characters are allowed to show terror when confronted with danger. Guys aren't [the only conclusion I could draw as a child was that women were obviously more valuable than men since people got concerned when female characters were in danger but not when the male ones were. I thought that seemed a very nasty way to treat guys]). I think my mind is wandering again. Time to go back to something sensible, like Servalan, Queen of the Teddy Bear People (no wonder she has an attitude problem). Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:51:31 -0700 From: kalazar To: "blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: Re: [B7L] Help...I have a few Questions Message-ID: <390934F3.AC10F676@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use Netscape Communicator and Nick's message are fine. Kalazar Neil Faulkner wrote: > > I too use MS Outlook Express, and I can't read Nick's emails either. > > Life's a bitch, innit? > > Neil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:14:44 +0100 From: "Deborah Day" To: "b7" Subject: [B7L] Strangerers Message-ID: <008501bfb11c$1acff460$f192bc3e@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I missed the last episode (I think) of the Strangerers due to a power cut which messed up the timer on the video. The last ep I saw was where the baldy headed burst fiend was about to fire the g bomb and then it said to be continued. Does anybody in the UK have a copy on video that they could send me (all expenses paid, of course)? And the Third Rock from the Sun that came immediately before would be a bonus as well! I guess I'm just into aliens Thanks, Debbie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:05:39 EDT From: Carolyn772@aol.com To: freedom-city@blakes-7.org CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Zines Message-ID: <2f.4892924.263b10d3@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone out there in the St. Louis area, who'd like a box or two or three of zines? I'm going to be gafiating in a couple of months, and I'd like to see them get good homes. I've been collecting for YEARS and also inherited someone's pirate collection. (I don't know who the original owner was of the pirated zines, as I got them from a mutual Forever Knight fan friend, who got them with some _she_ inherited. She winnowed out the B7 and passed 'em to me. Most of them are copies of single stories, bound together, though some seem to be whole zines, that are probably long out of print.) I'm keeping some I can't bear to part with, but there are at least 100+ that HAVE to go. I'm not really up for mailing them but if someone in the St. Louis area would like them I'll stick them in the trunk and meet you halfway. :) Carolyn "Don't piss me off! I'm running out of places to hide the bodies." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:21:06 +0000 From: Steve Rogerson To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Help...I have a few Questions Message-ID: <3909C880.FE377783@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Julia wrote: "me and my husband are intrested in coming along to a convension, do you have to be members of a fan club, are any held in the middlands, and would we be feel a little unwelcome because we don't know any other fans in person?" A couple of people have already suggested Redemption (thankyou), but I'd just like to add that you'll be made more than welcome and it is an excellent way to get to know other fans in person. You can find out more from the web site (see sig) or if you email me your address off list I'll stick a couple of flyers in the post to you. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption: The Blake's 7 and Babylon 5 convention 23-25 February 2001, Ashford, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:32:42 EDT From: Carolyn772@aol.com To: freedom-city@blakes-7.org CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Zines Message-ID: <65.3953b43.263b253a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit THAT was quick. I already have a taker. If she can't get them, I'll reoffer them in a bit. Carolyn "Don't piss me off! I'm running out of places to hide the bodies." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 21:57:57 +0100 From: "Ebony" To: "Lysator" Subject: [B7L] Re: Servalan's forename Message-ID: <008101bfb154$e5f3e9c0$49867dc2@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harriet said: >Still thinking of Liaisons Dangereuses, I have long believed Servalan to be >a descendant of the Marquise de Merteuil. Thanks Harriet, I saw the play on Wednesday and I *knew* she reminded me of someone! It was great to be able to see one of the cast in a play over here. Ebony -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #121 **************************************