From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #130 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/130 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 130 Today's Topics: RE: [B7L] Recruitment Tactics Re: [B7L] Recruitment Tactics Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Redemption" [B7L] I'm Back (Cue Organ Music) Re: [B7L] I'm Back (Cue Organ Music) Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Redemption" Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Redemption" Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Redemption" [B7L] Project Avalaon list Re: [B7L] Duel soundtrack [B7L] B7 and Shakespeare and Stuff [B7L] First Impressions: Actually Deliverance.( Was Redemption) Re: [B7L] B7 and Shakespeare and Stuff [B7L] FINALACT RE: Coser and snobbery [was RE: [B7L] On Dayna and Evolution] Re: [B7L] Duel soundtrack Re: [B7L] Food, Folks & Fun [B7L] BBC 2 Repeats Finished ! Re: [B7L] Duel soundtrack Re: [B7L] B7 and Shakespeare and Stuff Re: [B7L] Duel soundtrack Re: [B7L] FINALACT ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 19:36:00 -0500 From: "Reuben Herfindahl" To: "b7" , Subject: RE: [B7L] Recruitment Tactics Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have only sucessfully converted one fan, my girlfriend. I sat down with her and watched "The Way Back". The great thing about the episode is it blows up so many preconcieved notions about 70's Sci-Fi. Most people have seen at least one episode of Baker's Dr. Who. When you start talking Brit. Sci-Fi, they automatically start thinking Dr. Who, curly hair and big teeth, cheesy effects. With "The Way Back", it goes the other way. Handsome charecters who's life goes to sh*t. The ending is so bleak, it leaves the potential fan thinking, "gee, this guy is really hurting, it has to get better...." Well, that and it also helped that she had the summer off and very little to do. She actually made it through alll 52 episodes with me only watching 4 or 5 out of the total with her. (Paul Darrow, probably helped her stick with it a bit more than I care to admit) As for getting her into online fandom, she was just never interested. B7 got her into B5, which I might someday get her online with (she prefers it). But, only time will tell. Reuben http://www.reuben.net/blake/ P.S. Onelist is a free listserver. -----Original Message----- From: Dana Shilling [mailto:dshilling@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 7:13 PM To: b7; freedom-city@blakes-7.org Subject: [B7L] Recruitment Tactics Well, I have already ruled out "pretend to be a bounty hunter" as a way of recruiting new fans, but what are other list members' experiences with the most and least effective ways of turning otherwise sane and productive individuals into B7 fans? In the US, the series is not being broadcast anywhere that I know about, so initiation has to be via VHS. Which tapes would you recommend as a "short course" for potential fans, who might then go back and watch everything in sequence? At what point do you introduce list membership, online fanfic archives, and paper zines? Should one's friends' inclinations toward fanfic production be nurtured or stamped out? -(Y) PS--in case the friends I am trying to entice should ask me for a definition, what is a "OneList?" What is an "APA"? I have seen references to such but don't know what they are. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 19:22:43 -0700 From: Nick Moffitt To: b7 Subject: Re: [B7L] Recruitment Tactics Message-ID: <20000507192243.G28423@zork.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii begin Dana Shilling quotation: > In the US, the series is not being broadcast anywhere that I know > about, so initiation has to be via VHS. KTEH in San Jose used to play them at 1am on Sundays. > PS--in case the friends I am trying to entice should ask me for a > definition, what is a "OneList?" What is an "APA"? I have seen > references to such but don't know what they are. OneList is an on-line mailing list host. It's pretty lame, and folks should really just subscribe to this list. APAs were precursors to newsgroups and mailing lists. It stands for Amateur Press Association, and they were usually >blech< mimeographed. APAs were mostly slop, but then again we must keep Sturgeon's law in mind. The idea was that each subscriber sent in membership fees and had a certain number of pages allowed. Each month/week/whatever, the manager would coallate and copy little zines made from everyone's pages. -- CrackMonkey.Org - Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks LinuxCabal.Org - Co-location facilities and meeting space Pigdog.Org - The Online Handbook for Bad People of the Future You are not entitled to your opinions. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 14:47:33 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Redemption" Message-ID: <20000508044733.30996.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Nick Moffitt > Relish the next episode well, as it is the last one with the >non-boufante Travis. I'd say Travis's sense of style peaks in Avalon, >when he wears that grim-reaper furry cloak. Future Travis will not >wear leather, and his eyepatch will shrink considerably. Also, his >hair will become a sandy pompador, and he will snivel a lot. > > I'm not joking. Future Travis is a weasly geek. Ah. Do not meddle in the affairs of FINALACT, for it is quick to anger and *extremely* unsubtle. If I were you, I'd find an uncomfy chair... to hide behind! Regards Joanne (sibling to someone who thinks Travis I is better) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 23:39:12 -0600 From: Penny Dreadful To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] I'm Back (Cue Organ Music) Message-Id: <4.1.20000507232339.009b47a0@mail.powersurfr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ...yes, you heard me right, it must be Spring, for Penny has returned to Lysator. Not only that, but I'm new and improved -- bigger hair, shinier boots, and twice, nay, *thrice* the attitude! Yes indeed, I'm ready to kick ass and chew scenery, and guess what: I'm all out of scenery. Now, where's that sassy young upstart who said (as quoted to me by a reliable source), "Future Travis is a weasly geek"? I admire his spunk, I really do, but I feel he needs to have his horizons broadened. --Penny "Queen Of The Weasel People" D. -- For A Dread Time, Call Penny: http://members.tripod.com/~Penny_Dreadful/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 15:51:32 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] I'm Back (Cue Organ Music) Message-ID: <20000508055132.18200.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Penny Dreadful >Not only that, but I'm new and improved -- bigger hair, shinier >boots, Welcome back, and all that, Penny, but shouldn't that be the other way around? Considering what the latter might just be used for, hmm? Regards Joanne (slightly irritated that her Tuesday night Bill fix, Glynis Barber or no Glynis Barber, is being shoved around the evening schedule by the Federal Budget coverage, especially as Peter Costello's smirk is worse than any B7 special effect you'd care to name...Yes, I do have my priorities worked out, don't I?) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 23:34:30 -0700 From: Nick Moffitt To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Redemption" Message-ID: <20000507233430.A3369@zork.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii begin J MacQueen quotation: > > I'm not joking. Future Travis is a weasly geek. > > Ah. Do not meddle in the affairs of FINALACT, for it is quick to > anger and *extremely* unsubtle. If I were you, I'd find an uncomfy > chair... to hide behind! I fear nothing. Bring on the flames! RAM THE THIRD SHIP! THAT'S THE ONE WITH TRAVIS ON IT! -- CrackMonkey.Org - Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks LinuxCabal.Org - Co-location facilities and meeting space Pigdog.Org - The Online Handbook for Bad People of the Future You are not entitled to your opinions. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 07:44:19 +0100 From: "Ariana" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Redemption" Message-ID: <004c01bfb8b9$213d76c0$a5e407c3@ariana> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can tell I was in a hurry when I wrote the review - the episode was of course "Deliverance", not "Redemption" (where the flip did that come from?). Thank you all for not flooding me with corrections! Judith, can you replace "Redemption" with "Deliverence" throughout? ----- Original Message ----- From: Ariana To: b7 ; Judith Proctor Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 9:11 PM Subject: [B7L] First Impressions: "Redemption" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 16:57:19 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Redemption" Message-ID: <20000508065719.93990.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Nick Moffitt > I fear nothing. Bring on the flames! RAM THE THIRD SHIP! >THAT'S THE ONE WITH TRAVIS ON IT! But Penny's just said she's got her big, shiny boots on. And they are so very shiny that you can see your face in them. That is your face, isn't it? Think I should go back to doing some work, before I remember any other episodes of The Goodies... Regards Joanne (I don't believe it, I'm egging FINALACT on. What happened?) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 08:21:42 +0100 From: Steve Rogerson To: Lysator Subject: [B7L] Project Avalaon list Message-ID: <39166AEA.B9AFF16E@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I've received an email asking me to join a list called projectavalon on Egroup. I've accepted to see what it is about, but does anyone know who's behind it? I am also curious that with two existing groups on Egroup, this list and Freedom City, why someone thinks we need another one. Though Michael Bailey's Egroup list has gone very quiet lately with no posts since 19 April, which makes me think either the list has gone or I've been dropped off somehow. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption: The Blake's 7 and Babylon 5 convention 23-25 February 2001, Ashford, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 09:06:09 +0100 From: "David A McIntee" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Duel soundtrack Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > For an example of the BBC failing to put in incidentals, check > out Resurrection of the Daleks. > Only the version accidentally shown abroad, which had no music or sound effects. The UK and video version did. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 03:24:08 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] B7 and Shakespeare and Stuff Message-ID: <20000508102408.46821.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Ellyne wrote: We can't? Why ever not? Seems a perfectly reasonable way to look at the whole series to me... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 03:30:09 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] First Impressions: Actually Deliverance.( Was Redemption) Message-ID: <20000508103009.37684.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Probably my fault for burbling how good Redemption was *going* to be. Not that Deliverance isn't fun. 'Tisn't a great episode - definitely Avon-centric (thinks: and this is a bad thing exactly how??) and lacking in 1st class crew interaction. But there's quite a bit of fun in the 'Lord Avon' nonsense. Like with Cally's not-quite-pass in The Web, he's quite taken aback by Meegat's open worship - when she flings herself at his feet he nearly jumps out of his skin with a hasty "let's not start that again". His combination of entranced and embarrassed is rather sweet (I love the way he holds her hand all through the episode). He does a lovely stunned mullet look every time she goes down on her knees...poor angel. Much as *he* may think he's that wonderful, he does have enough of a sense of the ridiculous to squirm a little when someone else insists on saying it. At this stage, Avon is considerably less aware of his own appeal than he becomes later (one of the reasons I wish they'd avoided the Avon/Servalan rubbish. He's actually cuter IMO before he realises that he is.) And yes, of course, Vila loves this :-) an almost God-given chance to tease Avon to death (how long do you think he kept it up afterwards?). Coming after Bounty, this is where Avon-Vila really clicks into place for me, and it's enormous fun to watch. I also love the way Gan nobly resists the urge to tease (yes, I *do* think from a couple of the looks he gives that he's tempted). A small point - as said before, at the start of Bounty, Jenna was clearly second-in-command (something that was hinted at in both Avalon and Breakdown as well). Here, Blake not only deliberately gives Avon the place, but emphasises it by putting Jenna in the team instead of Cally - making her subordinate to Avon. Interesting though that, on first hearing about the radiation danger , Blake does give Avon the chance to back out (and I'm reasonably sure he didn't ask them all, or Vila *would not* have been down there :-)). Pity about that breath-takingly obnoxious little dig at Blake at the start - Avon was simply *begging* for something to go wrong, which it promptly does. This is the only episode where I actually loathe Servalan (as apart from just finding her a waste of space) but for all the *right* reasons. Her bright "aren't I clever" attitude to what she's done to Marryatt is almost more horrifying than what she's actually done - this is the sparkly, hollow monster I'd have liked to see more of (I *hate* it when they try and humanise her later). Travis' odd moment of humanity is OTOH well done - breif, reluctant, believable, and quickly covered. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 20:44:09 +0930 From: "Minnie" To: "Sally Manton" , Subject: Re: [B7L] B7 and Shakespeare and Stuff Message-ID: <000c01bfb8de$88c62240$6c4c18cb@marina> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Ellyne wrote: >Avon hog all the glory).> > > We can't? Why ever not? Seems a perfectly reasonable >way to look at the whole series to me... > >__ >>> LOL!!!!!!!! Min xxx I totally agree!!!!___________________________________________________________________ ___ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 08:18:28 EDT From: RCalla6725@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] FINALACT Message-ID: <84.4f37104.26480a94@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 08/05/00 07:59:11 GMT Daylight Time, j_macqueen@hotmail.com writes: << FINALACT >> Sorry, I'm lost. Could someone please tell me what this stands for? I gather it's some sort of debate over the new/old Travis. I've yet to see the new Travis, but an RSC actor vs. Brian Croucher? No contest, surely? Richard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 14:25:41 +0200 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: Lysator Subject: RE: Coser and snobbery [was RE: [B7L] On Dayna and Evolution] Message-ID: <39DCDDFD014ED21185C300104BB3F99FEF6FA8@NL-ARN-MAIL01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Harriet wrote: > > Jacqueline wrote: > >The way Avon talked about Coser (not bad > > for a beta grade), led me to suspect that he > >himself must be a higher (alpha?) grade. After > >all, he'd hardly sneer like that at his own grade. > > Actually, when does Avon say this? Although I belong to the school which > thinks the grades aren't nearly as important as people think, I was about > to sugges that, if he were Beta, one could interpret it as a sneer at the > grading system. But when I decided to look at the script to see if there > were any clues, I couldn't find Avon commenting on Coser. Blake says > "Coser's only a Beta class weapons technician, so he's not important enough > to have caused all this fuss." Later, Coser compliments himself : "Not > bad, Coser, not bad. For a Beta grade, not bad", which is clearly a sneer > at the system. But I couldn't find any relevant remarks by Avon - have I > missed something by lazily omitting to sit through the screening? Nope, I misquoted by lazily omitting to sit through the screening. Now that I've rectified that omission (I didn't have time for that until now, so that's why the two weeks delay in answering) I must admit that you're right. Avon doesn't mention Coser at all and seems only concerned with Imipak. Somehow I only remembered the sneer and my mind connected it with Avon. Can't imagine why. After all, he's always so nice to everyone.... I still think Avon's an alpha grade, though. Or at least, I think that Blake thinks so. He says quite offhandedly that Coser's not important enough to have caused much of a fuss when all he knows about him is his grade. I very much doubt that he'd ever think about Avon that way. As for the grade system: Vila claimed that he bought his grade, and that didn't cause much comment. That means that people are graded when they are old enough to have at least some idea of what the grades mean. So I think that it has more to do with a very competitive schooling system, where your academic achievements determine your place in society for the rest of your life. I do, however, think that other things, such as family, play an important part, too. After all, Kasabi couldn't boot Servalan out of the army because she was connected. I imagine that such connections could help with your grade, too. I think the grades are mostly important if you want to work for some government body. Which may be rather difficult to avoid when you're living close to Earth and Central Command. Another thing struck me when watching Weapon: Rashel mentions that disobedient slaves are often modified. Sounds to me like a direct reference to mutoids. Cheers, Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 17:47:56 +0300 (EET DST) From: Kai V Karmanheimo To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Duel soundtrack Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII [Warning: this post contains quasi-technical rambling about things related to production values and methods. If you find this offensive, stop reading right now. Thank you.] Nick wrote: < One of the things I loved about the episode _Duel_ was the avant-garde screeching soundtrack during the space battle. It added a frantic atmosphere to the whole scene. What bothered me is that subsequent episodes in that season suffered from a deficit of incidental music. Was the BBC radiophonics group on strike or something?> I agree with your assessment on "Duel". That battle scene is as a whole one of the best in the series, as it does so much with very little (and entirely without pyrotechnics). I think the whole first half of season one had more music than the rest (seems to be more obvious at least). No idea why, though. < I think the show would have really benefited from a better soundtrack. Too many moments of suspense were ruined because they were shown in complete silence.> Incidental music is of course central to establishing the feel of a scene (just compare Babylon 5 and Crusade to see how different a feel the same imagery can have when juxtaposed with different soundscapes), but having more of it isn't always better. For example, Jenna's fight with one of the alien Guardians in the teleport section in "Time Squad": the music creates some sense of danger and helps to mask the lack of sound effects, but it also amplifies the clumsiness of the fight (especially as it's slightly out of sync at times), underlining the jerky, wait-for-your-cue-before-kicking-her-teeth-in quality of the staging. Sometimes the minimalism of the soundtrack is positive, leaving it free from too much clutter and emphasis (I do like the reverb-drenched shaker or whatever it is in the same episode). But sometimes things can sound a bit "naked" without the soundtrack to back up the illusion. Then again I think "Shadow" (I'm always using this episode as an example of successful use of audio-visual techniques, aren't I?) and "Sarcophagus" benefit greatly from a tasteful use of music and sound effects, often in a way that blurs the boundary between the two, e.g. the flanged rhythm loop of "run" and the oscillator dive on Cally's scream in the former, the various use of alternatively tonal and atonal synthesizer cues in the latter. Though B7's score was still basically traditionally orchestral, it did use synthesizer quite extensively for music at the time when even the big-budget sci-fi spectaculars where still mostly using it for warp drives and random bleeps and relying entirely on traditional orchestration for music. With the old analogue synthesizers fashionable once more, Blake's 7 actually now sounds more up-to-date than it did, say ten years ago (though probably no more "futuristic" than it did originally). It also confirms that Dayna's instrument in "Sarcophagus" is ancient and probably priceless because it seems to have a Prophet-5 or something similar as a sound source. I don't know which choices were made for artistic reasons and which for those old standbys, time and money, but at least the score generally goes well together with the style of the series. Even if they could have had a sweeping orchestral score with two symphony orchestras and a choir, I think it might have sound ridiculous with the pedestrian production values we saw on the screen. A lot could have been improved and I certainly could have done without some cues (the elevator-to-the-groundfloor teleport cue is one of them), but like with so many other areas of the show, a great deal was achieved with measly resources. One thing I can't understand is why they had to remix the theme for fourth season closing credits. I like the original (the good old fanfare-feel), but the ham-fisted layering of additional orchestration, including the loungey drums, muddies the sound and clashes with the original material. Perhaps they were trying to imitate the feel of the original Alexander Courage theme for Star Trek... Having said that, I wonder if they had started making Blake's 7 a bit later, say just a year, after Star Wars had premiered in the UK, would the music have been different? The heroic, anthemic main score became such a cliche with all the Star Wars imitations of the next few years, so perhaps they would have had to follow suit. As it is now, the main score has the bombast of those scores but not their romantic major-key euphoria. Again, the basis is in space-opera but the palette is darker and things less certain. Kai ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 11:17:12 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Food, Folks & Fun Message-ID: <20000508.111716.-76051.0.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sat, 6 May 2000 19:46:00 -0400 "Dana Shilling" writes: > Now that I've made my way through all the tapes for the first time, > some > patterns emerge that I haven't seen discussed: > 1. I don't think > there is any > canon view or reference of anybody reading anything for pleasure. It's a stretch, but in "Sarcophagus," I thought the big thing Cally lugged up to the bridge was called a "reader." Going by that and its appearance, it could have been meant as some kind of microfilm reader. Since everyone seems to have time on their hands in this ep, I assume, if any microfilm texts being read, they were being read recreationally (two big assumptions, I know). Rather than suppose microfilm is a general reading material in the B7 universe (such a 60's/70/s idea, I'm _sure_ the writers never thought any such thing), I would guess some texts the Federation tried to destroy survived in this format. Cally has some bootleg copies and is either letting Dayna borrow them along with the reader or else Dayna inherited a few copies from her father that she brought along with her to Liberator. > 2. Although there are several board games, I don't think there were > any > views of anybody playing cards, even in the "Gambit" casino. Perhaps there are too many high tech ways to cheat at cards in their era? After all, although particular types of cards might fall out of favor because of symbolism attached to them (the monarchs on regular face cards are remnants of an entirely different political system, but the value of cards [once people are brought into it] is similar to the Federation's citizen grading system. Even if they didn't mind the reminder that different governments were possible, the comparison between them and a way of life they brand primitive might not sit well. Then there are the symbolic hands [dead man's hand, etc] and the meanings fortune telling gives cards which can be used to send messages via the cards [or to put you in the difficult position of being accused of sending a message]). But this wouldn't stop other types of card games or using Rook cards instead (although, if you could be accused of treason based on a bad hand's supposed meaning, I can see why you might avoid cards altogether. Once the trend got going, card games might fall out of favor on all sorts of 'safe' worlds.). > 3. [big snip] I > don't think there is any canonical instance of a proper meal. Nor is > it at > all clear where the food comes from, who cooks it, etc. They never worry about food supplies and Horizon suggested Avon would have had _all_ the necessary supplies to last for years. I'd guess the ship either had some kind of replicators (capable of producing raw food stuffs still in need of at least minor preparation) or else there were some fully automated hydroponics, etc, run by Zen. Since, when Vila tries to talk them into taking a vacation, he puts a lot of fancy food in front of everyone, that couldn't be the kind of thing Zen created at a moment's notice or it wouldn't really add much to Vila's sale's pitch. > 4. However, food--including "tropical fruit" and "coffee from real > beans" is > associated with the Federation, where the worse the bad guy, the > more > elaborate the meal That's our heroes, living on stale macaroni and cheese and ramen noodles, while everyone else stuffs their face. And people say the B7 crew is short on nobility and self-sacrifice. Hey, maybe they went after the kairopan because it was _edible_, the Federation equivilant of truffles or something. > 5. The Federation seems to provide more real job satisfaction to its > members > than the Rebellion, doesn't it? It's hard to recall many instances > of crew > members enjoying ANYTHING, of any kind, in any of the 52 episodes. > -(Y) > Well, for three seasons, they got to explore the limitless clothes supplies on Liberator. Funny how everyone fell apart once that little joy in life was gone (new insight on what pushed everyone over the edge. Avon just couldn't cope without the mummy suit [hey, we know he only wore it to see what kind of reaction he'd get, it was all part of annoying people to give his life meaning (don't know why the others did it)]) except for Soolin, who had endless hair supplies to keep her happy. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 19:55:40 +0100 From: "Andy Hopkinson" To: "Lysator" Cc: "Judith Proctor" Subject: [B7L] BBC 2 Repeats Finished ! Message-ID: <000001bfb91f$01f32560$92e72ac2@andyrh> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit According to BBC Duty Officer, Blake's 7 has now finished it's repeat run, inspite of the fact that the Radio Times has stated that Deliverance is part 1 of a two part story. When this was pointed out to the BBC schedulers by us this morning they were at a loss as to what was going on. They appeared to be under the impression that season 1 was only 12 episodes long. As for the hoped for repeat of season 2, the Duty officer said that although they were committed to showing all of season 1 (!?) there are no plans to repeat the rest, due to poor ratings caused by the programme being moved up an down schedules. I really think (again) it would be a good idea if we ring up the BBC and complain about the way the show has been treated, and insist that they keep to their word by showing the last episode of season 1. Make sure you give your name and ask that your complaint be sent to the correct dept. It's not just the film project that would be at stake, it also puts a little money in the actors/writers pockets, as well as publicizing the show to much wider audience. 08700 10022 ask for the Duty Officer. Andy/Alan. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 16:33:47 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: Re: [B7L] Duel soundtrack Message-ID: <200005081634_MC2-A43A-AE7E@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Nick Moffitt wrote: >I think the show would have really benefited >from a better soundtrack. Too many moments >of suspense were ruined because they were >shown in complete silence. And I'm always complaining that TV/films wreck moments of suspense/tension by drowning them in music when they'd be much more effective in silence. It's not invariable - some music works - but you can't please all the people all the time. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 16:33:37 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: Re: [B7L] B7 and Shakespeare and Stuff Message-ID: <200005081633_MC2-A43A-AE7C@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Alison wrote: >Surely Dayna is supposed to be Miranda, with Hal as >Prospero, and the entire Sarran population as Caliban. Though in some ways she's much more like Nausicaa, who finds Odysseus washed up on the beach, rather fancies him though eventually nothing comes of it (whereas Miranda and Ferdinand get married), and takes him home to her father Alcinous, who is a _lot_ friendlier than Prospero. Oh yes, and bad things happen to Alcinous's people as a result of helping Odysseus. Then the Andromedan War could be the Trojan War, except that Odysseus gets to wander for ten years in between. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 14:11:12 -0700 From: Nick Moffitt To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: Re: [B7L] Duel soundtrack Message-ID: <20000508141111.J3369@zork.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii begin Harriet Monkhouse quotation: > And I'm always complaining that TV/films wreck moments of > suspense/tension by drowning them in music when they'd be much more > effective in silence. It's not invariable - some music works - but > you can't please all the people all the time. I agree that both hitchcock and serling knew how to use silence well. However, I would have preferred more scenes like that in Duel. -- CrackMonkey.Org - Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks LinuxCabal.Org - Co-location facilities and meeting space Pigdog.Org - The Online Handbook for Bad People of the Future You are not entitled to your opinions. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 00:42:47 -0600 From: Penny Dreadful To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] FINALACT Message-Id: <4.1.20000508151133.00931a70@mail.powersurfr.com> Message-Id: <4.1.20000508151133.00931a70@mail.powersurfr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:18 AM 08/05/00 -0400, RCalla6725@aol.com wrote: ><< FINALACT >> > >Sorry, I'm lost. Could someone please tell me what this stands for? I gather >it's some sort of debate over the new/old Travis. "Foundation Invalidating Numerous Accusations Levelled Against Croucher's Travis". We have God and Karaoke on our side. >I've yet to see the new Travis, but an RSC actor vs. Brian Croucher? No >contest, surely? Indeed, no contest at all. Right, Jacqueline? -- For A Dread Time, Call Penny: http://members.tripod.com/~Penny_Dreadful/ -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #130 **************************************