From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #149 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/149 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 149 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Funnel Teaser Re: [B7L] Ultraworld Re: [B7L] Funnel? Re: [B7L] Funnel? Re: [B7L] Funnel Teaser Re: [B7L] Orbit Re: [B7L] Funnel Teaser Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus (was Titles Say It All?) Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus (was Titles Say It All?) Re: [B7L] Funnel Teaser [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #145 [B7L] Josette Simon on BBC2 tonight Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus (was Titles Say It All?) Re: [B7L] Re: reviews/ages/SCHOOL & stuff Re: [B7L] Terminal (was Sarcophagus) [B7L] review: Together Again - Seven ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 16:58:52 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Funnel Teaser Message-ID: <20000529.165854.-83907.0.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 31 May 2000 21:46:47 +0100 "Andrew Ellis" writes: > > Steve replied...> > >The funnel refers to the "Tachyon Funnel", a weapon created by > Egrorian in > >the episode "Orbit". Tachyon's are, to quote Avon, "Theoretical > particles > >that travel faster than the speed of light." Although in this > episode, > they > >are no longer theoretical. > OK, I'll ask the obvious. If tachyons were _theoretical_ particles going faster than the speed of light, what did B7 people call all the 'real' particles going faster than the speed of light? And, no, "ships" is not an acceptable answer. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 19:44:21 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: Re: [B7L] Ultraworld Message-ID: <200005291944_MC2-A6D3-A365@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Marian wrote: >I find his character most convincing as >the ruthless, backstabbing Federation >Officer in Powerplay and I think it's a pity >the writers didn't stick to that. I presume that was how the character was originally planned. I think the ambiguous Tarrant of Powerplay has enormous potential, and if he'd continued in that vein I'd be leading chants for the Tarrant Nostra even now. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 20:39:56 -0400 From: "Dana Shilling" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Funnel? Message-ID: <006801bfc9d2$a8532680$c8604e0c@dshilling> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There was an ad for a company called Tachyon Systems in the current issue of Interactive Week. The tachyon is obviously the elementary particle represented in the costumes... -(Y) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 11:17:01 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Funnel? Message-ID: <20000530011701.73747.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Dana Shilling" >There was an ad for a company called Tachyon Systems in the current issue >of >Interactive Week. The tachyon is obviously the elementary particle >represented in the costumes... At least as early as Deathwatch, possibly earlier... Regards Joanne ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:01:46 -0400 From: "Christine+Steve" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Funnel Teaser Message-ID: <004f01bfc9db$1b020040$2d259ad8@cgorman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ellynne G. wrote > OK, I'll ask the obvious. If tachyons were _theoretical_ particles going > faster than the speed of light, what did B7 people call all the 'real' > particles going faster than the speed of light? And, no, "ships" is not > an acceptable answer. Well, at the time of Orbit, the tachyons were real. Actually, I've no idea if they had science that took them past the speed of light. Was the Liberator warp capable? I know they refer it as time-distort factors, but is that the same thing as travelling faster than light? Steve Dobson. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 23:47:04 EDT From: Pherber@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Orbit Message-ID: <8.5a2849a.266493b8@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/28/00 12:00:04 PM Mountain Daylight Time, averelst@yucom.be writes: > Does anyone have an idea why - instead of going through all the trouble of > getting rid of all the unnecessary weight in the shuttle - Avon and Villa > don't just use the tachyon funnel to blow up the planet? After all, if the > planet would be gone, the gravity problem would be gone too... I agree with the other responses that using the tachyon funnel was not a feasible solution. It probably would have put Scorpio at risk too. I've always thought that it would have been more logical to return to the surface, but not necessarily to Egrorian's complex. In any sort of aircraft, if you determine that you're in trouble like that, practically the *first* thing you do is figure out what you have to do to get back to the ground in one piece! If they hadn't wasted so much time and fuel, they should have been able to get the shuttle down safely. IMHO, that's a rule that *especially* the most inexperienced pilots should stick to. I could understand Jenna or Tarrant trying to tough it out, but not Avon - he knows his limitations as a pilot. It also has always bugged me that Avon (and Orac, too) seem to completely ignore the process of logical deduction in identifying the problem! They had already made a safe trip to Scorpio and back to the planet in the *same* shuttle, so obviously something had been added while they were on the ground. Once they'd dumped the obvious possibility (the tachyon funnel) and found that they were still overweight, I just don't buy that Avon would resort directly to stripping out parts that were basic to the ship instead of spending more time looking for something that *wasn't* an integral part of the ship and *hadn't* been there earlier. OTOH, this is one episode where I can actually *believe* that Avon's gone 'round the twist, while he's hunting Vila. His expression as he takes out the gun is uncharacteristic and very scary. Through most of season 4, I think his behaviour is entirely explainable as a reaction to the increasing level of stress he's under. But when he decides that he has to kill Vila to survive himself, it's like part of him 'switches off' in order to allow him to actually do it. Nina ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:46:41 -0700 From: Nick Moffitt To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Funnel Teaser Message-ID: <20000529224641.T30881@zork.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii begin Christine+Steve quotation: > Well, at the time of Orbit, the tachyons were real. Actually, I've > no idea if they had science that took them past the speed of light. > Was the Liberator warp capable? I know they refer it as > time-distort factors, but is that the same thing as travelling > faster than light? AVON: Negative hyperspace. BLAKE: You mean we crossed the anti-matter interface? JENNA: That's impossible. AVON: That's what they said about the light barrier. [Cygnus Alpha] That is the only evidence I ever found that they travelled at superluminal speeds. Sure, their ETAs seem to be rather short at gettting from star system to star system, but that is possible at subluminal speeds. You see, it is often held as fact that Alpha Centauri (The nearest star to our own) is four light-years away. The assumption is that the shortest trip to Centauri is four Earth years long. However, we also must remember the story of the twins, one of whom goes travelling around at relativistic speeds. The one on Earth ages faster (in a mythical sort of absolute time), while the one travelling at incredible speeds experiences time in a different way. So relative time dialation means that the trip to Centauri would APPEAR FROM EARTH to take four years, while the occupants of the craft may experience far less. Relative time dialation occurs even at subluminal relativistic speeds. It is possible that this is what is meant by "time distort". However, the time scales in the series don't really match up to that. The only thing that seems to travel faster than light is their communications and detectors. In Hostage, Avon sends a message to the federation telling them travis's whereabouts. The message takes mere minutes or hours to reach federation command. The distances were doubtless longer than one light-hour, which isn't very much space at all, in terms of astrogation. -- CrackMonkey.Org - Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks LinuxCabal.Org - Co-location facilities and meeting space Pigdog.Org - The Online Handbook for Bad People of the Future You are not entitled to your opinions. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 02:43:06 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus (was Titles Say It All?) Message-ID: <20000530094306.90456.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed After I wrote re Tarrant: Ellynne wrote: Ummm ... well, he got to half-strangle Avon in 'Dawn', and to lecture him a couple of times on team-spirit (his odd attempts to crowbar said team-spiritedness into Avon's brain are quite endearing) and made Avon call him 'sir' in Rumours ... OTOH there's 'City' where his version of asserting himself ended up backfiring rather dauntingly ... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 05:03:02 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus (was Titles Say It All?) Message-ID: <20000530120303.25076.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed After I also wrote (re Cally, this time): Ellynne answered: Could be (we've no evidence either way) though it appears that she had very little *time* to forgive. Not that it's clear how *much* time there is between the end of Terminal and the start of Rescue, but I get the feeling there isn't very much. Although - taking the whole of 3rd season into consideration - Cally seems to me to have given up on finding Blake, she *was* close to him, and Servalan's 'news' would have rocked her as well, so it's more than possible she was not in any mood to *be* immediately reasonable and forgiving (and remember what she calls out as she dies - she could still be focused on that loss). It's speculation, yes (speculation is *fun*) but I just think the idea of dumping Avon and the others (but especially My Darling) with that extra fillip of angst is interesting. 'Tis interesting that it's *Tarrant*, the one that Avon has treated like dirt right through this episode, who shows no resentment at all, but then, Tarrant had just lost his brother, and he was the only crew member (as I saw it?) in a position to see Avon's face when Servalan made that little announcement ... Well, *I* certainly can't deny you *that* right, seeing the number of times I have jumped up and down and insisted that Avon and *Blake* survive ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 18:15:44 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Funnel Teaser Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue 30 May, Nick Moffitt wrote: > > So relative time dialation means that the trip to Centauri would > APPEAR FROM EARTH to take four years, while the occupants of the craft > may experience far less. Relative time dialation occurs even at > subluminal relativistic speeds. It is possible that this is what is > meant by "time distort". However, the time scales in the series don't > really match up to that. Indeed. Anna Grant remained behind on Earth. If Liberator had travelled at relativistic speeds, Avon would have returned to find her an extreemly old woman or dead for many years. Ergo they went faster than light. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 10:09:25 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #145 Message-ID: <3933F5C5.2720@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > *grin* Am I the only one who actually likes Ultraworld? Some great model > shots of the Liberator, the zombie like workers, Avon struggling to stay > awake and Vila and Orac saving the day. I tend to watch this episode quite > regularly. > > Steve Dobson I liked it, too. What about the make-up job? They certainly looked more alienesque than many humanoid aliens on the show. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 19:02:39 +0100 From: Nicola Collie To: Freedom City , Lysator Subject: [B7L] Josette Simon on BBC2 tonight Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" UK-resident fans may be interested to know that tonight's 'Reputations' documentary, about boxer Joe Louis, is narrated by Josette Simon. The documentary screens on BBC2 and 9pm tonight (Tuesday 30 May). Nicola ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 11:57:44 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus (was Titles Say It All?) Message-ID: <20000530.115745.-479451.0.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 30 May 2000 05:03:02 PDT "Sally Manton" writes: > > Could be (we've no evidence either way) though it appears that she > had very > little *time* to forgive [on Terminal]. Not that it's clear how *much* time there > is > between the end of Terminal and the start of Rescue, but I get the > feeling > there isn't very much. > > Although - taking the whole of 3rd season into consideration - Cally > seems > to me to have given up on finding Blake, she *was* close to him, and > > Servalan's 'news' would have rocked her as well, so it's more than > possible > she was not in any mood to *be* immediately reasonable and forgiving > (and > remember what she calls out as she dies - she could still be focused > on that > loss). It's speculation, yes (speculation is *fun*) but I just think > the > idea of dumping Avon and the others (but especially My Darling) with > that > extra fillip of angst is interesting. Well, I'm perfectly willing to believe Avon thought Cally died without forgiving him and that he thought her death cry reflected any range of things he could take badly. Add to that his knowing that it was his failure at Terminal that (he thinks) got her killed, plus knowing she _was_ in love with him (or having reasonable ground to convince himself of this after [and he'd want to just because it would give him more guilt]) and he had never done anything about it (contradictory with the "Blake!" cry, but I have never noticed Avon to be logical if it would make him feel less miserable). Actually, there might be more potential angst here than over the whole Anna Grant thing. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 08:29:03 +0100 From: "Julie Horner" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: reviews/ages/SCHOOL & stuff Message-ID: <005b01bfca08$cf67d1e0$5882bc3e@orac> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nic Mayer" > I've also been lurking for a bit. To read the messages, right click on it, > then press the details tab, click on message source, and it will all be > there. Oh hurrah Nic and thankyou!! Finally I can read the messages sent by Nick Moffit. Julie Horner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:30:02 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Terminal (was Sarcophagus) Message-ID: <20000530213002.54812.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Ellynne wrote: One has to agree ... one of the things I love about Avon (there *are* rather a lot of them) is that streak of deepest, purest illogicality that makes such glorious hay of his normal rational mode. Yes, the problem with the Big Romance of the Series is that we only see them together in one scene in one episode, and while there is lots of angst, there's not much chemistry between the two actors (IMHO). Even if I don't see the Avon-Cally romantic thing (friends, yes. Anything more, sorry), they do have a far more *real* connection that we've watched on screen, and he does care about her, a lot. Notwithstanding that I do think he is - in some ways - closer to and more comfortable with Vila - I have to say Cally is the *only* other one of the entire Liberator/Scorpio crews I can even imagine him going to Terminal for (and I'm still dubious, but with Cally there is that maybe). ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 00:43:45 +0200 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] review: Together Again - Seven Message-ID: <7rDQrLAhQEN5Ewx+@jajones.demon.co.uk> Yes, Judith, you can have it for the website. _Together Again - Seven_ The seventh in the Together Again series, and another wonderful collection of anecdotes and laughs. This time around it's special effects man Jim Francis and writer/script editor Chris Boucher joining Gareth and Paul. More tales of budget woes, and more tales of Vere Lorrimer's enthusiasm for action over plot:-) I found Chris Boucher fascinating to listen to, not least because he is less diplomatic than most of the previous guests... Once again, this series of interviews is a delight for anyone interested in the "behind the scenes" aspect of the series. Chris has much to say on the writing side, including a quiet complaint that nobody ever goes up to the writer and says, "That was a wonderful script." He needs to see the "Boucher is god" conversations on the Lyst, it would make him feel a lot happier. Jim Francis has some interesting things to say about the special effects, including confirmation of a certain actor's inability to so much as look at a prop without breaking it. Gareth and Paul are, well, Gareth and Paul. Some interesting comments from Gareth about Blake, particularly what he says about trying to show the flaws in the man, rather than playing a perfect hero. Ditto from Paul about Avon. There's also hard news from Paul about the proposed film, and it's good to hear the facts rather than speculation. And to top it off, this tape is ten minutes longer than the earlier tapes - and not a minute of it wasted. A "must buy" as far as I'm concerned. -- Julia Jones "I heard that between 5 1/2" and 7" is typical for the active region regardless of the size in power-save mode." Barry Vaughan, afp ------------------------------ -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #149 **************************************