From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #150 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/150 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 150 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Re: reviews/ages/SCHOOL & stuff [B7L] Fan artist goes pro? Re: [B7L] Terminal (was Sarcophagus) Re: [B7L] Terminal (was Sarcophagus) Re: [B7L] Terminal (was Sarcophagus) Re: [B7L] Terminal (was Sarcophagus) Re: [B7L] Terminal (was Sarcophagus) [B7L] Dead husband [B7L] City at the Edge of the World [B7L] zine orders Re: [B7L] City at the Edge of the World Re: [B7L] new versus old crew (was Terminal) [B7L] War Wounds Re: [B7L] Cally's death cry (was Sarcophagus) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 20:54:09 -0700 From: Nick Moffitt To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: reviews/ages/SCHOOL & stuff Message-ID: <20000530205409.D30881@zork.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii begin Julie Horner quotation: > Finally I can read the messages sent by Nick Moffit. "Moffitt" -- CrackMonkey.Org - Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks LinuxCabal.Org - Co-location facilities and meeting space Pigdog.Org - The Online Handbook for Bad People of the Future You are not entitled to your opinions. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 00:16:46 -0700 From: "Sarah Thompson" To: Subject: [B7L] Fan artist goes pro? Message-ID: <006301bfcad2$2d881860$1daccdcf@y1i7s9> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was reading back issues of =Locus= on the way to and from MediaWest, and I noticed something of B7-fannish interest. On p. 38 of the January 2000 issue, in the review of the art show at the 1999 World Fantasy Convention (held in Providence, RI, in November 1999), Karen Haber said: "And attention must be paid to... Marianne Plumridge's delightful paintings-- especially =Rainbow Mothrum= and painted ostrich eggs.... "In a word, wow. I didn't envy the judges their jobs. Every art show should be this good." I thought that name was familiar, and sure enough, according to my notes, Marianne Plumridge had art in =Chronicles= 25, 40, 44, and 52, =Horizon= 14, and =The Ultimate Mary Sue=, as well as at least two calendars (for 1989 and 1993; there may be others that I don't know about). I assume this must be the same person, since it's such an unusual name. If anyone knows her, please congratulate her for the good review. Sarah T. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:05:59 +1000 From: steven and helen To: Blakes7 Mailing List Subject: Re: [B7L] Terminal (was Sarcophagus) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000531210559.007aa800@pop.mikka.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 20:12 30/05/00 -0400, you wrote: >From: Sally Manton wrote : > >> Notwithstanding that I do think he is - in some ways - closer to and more >> comfortable with Vila - I have to say Cally is the *only* other one of the >> entire Liberator/Scorpio crews I can even imagine him going to Terminal >for >> (and I'm still dubious, but with Cally there is that maybe). > >Yes, I agree, there does seem to be a special relationship between Avon and >Vila, maybe its just admiration for his skills, or the amount they've been >through together. I'm sure Vila helped save Avon's neck a few times. > >Steve Dobson. Hi I think, in the third season at least (I haven't seen the fourth yet) there is often a definite divide between new crew and old crew, episodes like Volcano and Ultraworld where Dayna and Tarrant work on one thing and Avon, Vila and/or Cally do another. I agree that Avon and Vila definately seem to have a special relationship but its also possible that this comes mostly from knowing exactly what they can expect from one another in whatever circumstances. I'm new here by the way, my name's Jessica. Jessica > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 04:32:52 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Terminal (was Sarcophagus) Message-ID: <20000531113252.98910.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Steve wrote: There is - I call it a Mutual Disparagement Society, which is as near as I can get to the right flavour. Takes a while to click in (Bounty is where I think it starts really working) but it's quite wonderful to watch. They've no illusions about each other - the mixture of respect (for each other's skills) contempt (for each other's characters) and genuine liking is unique. But I still don't think Avon would've gone to Terminal for Vila's sake ... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:37:31 -0400 From: "Christine+Steve" To: "B7 Mailing List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Terminal (was Sarcophagus) Message-ID: <004201bfcb05$77b09740$df249ad8@cgorman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jessica wrote : > I think, in the third season at least (I haven't seen the fourth yet) there > is often a definite divide between new crew and old crew, episodes like > Volcano and Ultraworld where Dayna and Tarrant work on one thing and Avon, > Vila and/or Cally do another. I agree that Avon and Vila definately seem to > have a special relationship but its also possible that this comes mostly > from knowing exactly what they can expect from one another in whatever > circumstances. Yes, you see it in "City" too, Avon and Cally join up with Tarrant and Dayna together. There probably is more of a degree of trust between Avon, Cally and Vila after what they've been through, and Avon definitely thought Tarrant was too carefree and too much of a risk taker. > I'm new here by the way, my name's Jessica. Welcome to the list! Steve Dobson. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:40:42 -0400 From: "Christine+Steve" To: "B7 Mailing List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Terminal (was Sarcophagus) Message-ID: <004901bfcb05$e596bf00$df249ad8@cgorman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally Manton wrote : > There is - I call it a Mutual Disparagement Society, which is as near as > I can get to the right flavour. Takes a while to click in (Bounty is where I > think it starts really working) but it's quite wonderful to watch. They've > no illusions about each other - the mixture of respect (for each other's > skills) contempt (for each other's characters) and genuine liking is unique. And it does produce some very funny scenes too! The apologetic look on Avon's face when he wacks Vila after opening the cell door in Redemption is priceless! Steve Dobson. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:40:00 +0100 From: Alison Page To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" Subject: Re: [B7L] Terminal (was Sarcophagus) Message-ID: <21B0197931E1D211A26E0008C79F6C4AB0C5F0@BRAMLEY> Content-Type: text/plain Jessica (hello to the list Jessica) said >>there is often a definite divide between new crew and old crew, episodes like Volcano and Ultraworld where Dayna and Tarrant work on one thing and Avon, Vila and/or Cally do another.<< Completely agree with you about that. I know there are a couple of us who see it as rather a generational thing. Vila and Avon and Cally are just older and more battered by life than Dayna and Tarrant. I think the cast on both sides of this divide do an excellent job of portraying this. Alison ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:46:17 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" Subject: [B7L] Dead husband Message-ID: <200005311146_MC2-A70A-760A@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Obituaries of guest stars' spouses - part two in an occasional and extremely obscure series I noticed in today's Guardian an obituary of Nicholas Clay, the husband of Lorna Heilbron (Anna). He is described by Clive Merrison as "quite the most beautiful man I had ever seen, gallingly handsome and awesomely athletic" and had a long list of credits, including Lancelot in the film Excalibur. Clay and Heilbron were married in 1980, the year Rumours of Death was broadcast. They had two daughters. Curiously, Anna's on-screen husband Chesku is listed as "Peter Clay" - I don't know if there's any connection. I was interested to note that Lorna Heilbron is described as "psychotherapist and actress". Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:43:30 EDT From: RCalla6725@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] City at the Edge of the World Message-ID: <96.57cef42.26669b32@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've never seen this episode before - does the title intentionally rip off the Star Trek one? (City at the Edge of Forever) Richard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:09:59 +0200 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] zine orders Message-ID: <2bST3LAndUN5EwTK@jajones.demon.co.uk> I'm down to one or two copies on Tales 1, Vem Quest and Endless Farce. I hope to do a print run tomorrow or Friday - this may be my last chance to do any printing for some months, so if you were planning on buying any of my zines at Red Rose, or by mail order in the next couple of months, say so now. Americans should note that I will probably be in the US in late summer, but probably won't be at Eclecticon - again, say now if you're likely to want to buy any of the older zines at US domestic postage rates. Please send any replies to zineorder@jajones.demon.co.uk (the Reply-to header is set appropriately), to avoid annoying the rest of the list and to make sure I read it in time. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 13:20:49 -0400 From: "Christine+Steve" To: "B7 Mailing List" Subject: Re: [B7L] City at the Edge of the World Message-ID: <002101bfcb24$a4666b60$8e249ad8@cgorman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well a little. The Trek episode - a classic story and award winning episode - centered around a gateway which transverses space and time. The B7 City episode was a gateway that covered space only. Every 30 or so years, the inhabitants of Kezarn would locate someone who would try to unlock the gateway. One end is on Kezarn, the other end of the gateway is located on a ship traveling through space. The spaceship end of the door will only open when a suitable planet is found for colonization. This time, the first went to a guy called Bayban - played by Colin Baker. He failed to get the door open, so tricked Tarrant into sending Vila to help. Any more info would spoil the episode for you when you do get to see it. Steve Dobson. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: May 31, 2000 12:43 PM Subject: [B7L] City at the Edge of the World > I've never seen this episode before - does the title intentionally rip off > the Star Trek one? (City at the Edge of Forever) > > > Richard > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 20:52:12 +0200 From: "Marian de Haan" To: "B7 Mailing List" Subject: Re: [B7L] new versus old crew (was Terminal) Message-ID: <002501bfcb33$6fcf7220$5eef72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To Jessica's: >> I think, in the third season at least (I haven't seen the fourth yet) there is often a definite divide between new crew and old crew, episodes like Volcano and Ultraworld where Dayna and Tarrant work on one thing and Avon, Vila and/or Cally do another. I agree that Avon and Vila definately seem to have a special relationship but its also possible that this comes mostly from knowing exactly what they can expect from one another in whatever circumstances. Steve Dobson added: >Yes, you see it in "City" too, Avon and Cally join up with Tarrant and Dayna together. There probably is more of a degree of trust between Avon, Cally and Vila after what they've been through, and Avon definitely thought Tarrant was too carefree and too much of a risk taker. Harvest is the exception, with Tarrant choosing Cally rather than Dayna to accompany him. To me that doesn't feel right. But then, there's a lot in that episode that doesn't feel right, IMO :-) Marian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 16:01:23 -0400 From: "Dana Shilling" To: "b7" Subject: [B7L] War Wounds Message-ID: <014801bfcb3b$00cb5da0$fd614e0c@dshilling> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, I'm in trouble if the FBI Serial Killer Profiler Unit is reading this, but I really do want to know for purposes of creating fanfic rather than eliminating droves of people. For the various weapons shown in the series, what exactly happens when someone gets shot by one of them? (Well, I can figure out "stun.") That is, what kind of injuries could be expected in terms of blood loss, fractures, burns, neurological damage, size of exit wounds, etc., and what is the time frame for getting treatment for the injured person? -(Y) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 10:50:09 +0200 From: "Marian de Haan" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Cally's death cry (was Sarcophagus) Message-ID: <001801bfcba6$67db53e0$0bee72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ellynne G. wrote: >Well, I'm perfectly willing to believe Avon thought Cally died without forgiving him and that he thought her death cry reflected any range of things he could take badly. Add to that his knowing that it was his failure at Terminal that (he thinks) got her killed, plus knowing she _was_ in love with him (or having reasonable ground to convince himself of this after [and he'd want to just because it would give him more guilt]) and he had never done anything about it (contradictory with the "Blake!" cry, but I have never noticed Avon to be logical if it would make him feel less miserable).< Avon was not present to hear Cally's death cry, so he would not know about it unless Vila told him (and I can't see that happen before the shuttle incident). Or did she telepath it? In that case he could have picked it up, but I don't remember seeing that. [So I'll have to watch that episode again. :-)] Marian -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #150 **************************************