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blakes7-d Digest				Volume 00 : Issue 157

Today's Topics:
	 Re [B7L] Last chance to buy
	 [B7L] Chris Boucher email
	 Re: [B7L] Ben Steed
	 Re: [B7L] Re: Chris Boucher appreciation society
	 Re: [B7L] Ben Steed
	 [B7L] Faster than light.
	 Re: [B7L] Faster than light.
	 Re: [B7L] Other peoples mail
	 [B7L] Re: other people's mail
	 [B7L] Re: Animated gif
	 Re: [B7L] Star One
	 Re: [B7L] Re: Chris Boucher appreciation society
	 [B7L] Chris Boucher (was Hostage and Terminal)
	 Re: [B7L] Ben Steed
	 [B7L] Re: Other people's mail
	 [B7L] Re: Hotel Terra Nostra
	 Re: [B7L] Re: Hotel Terra Nostra
	 Re: [B7L] Ben Steed

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Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:46:53 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re [B7L] Last chance to buy
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I checked on my zine stockpile just now and I seem to be down to about four
copies of Stadler Link and six of Pressure Point.  Since I don't have any
plans for further print runs of either zine, anyone who wants a copy of
either should consider ordering now.  You can order direct from me (prices
at http://homepages.tesco.net/#N.Faulkner/blakes7/zinelist.htm ) or via
Judith Proctor (who is slightly more expensive but can handle credit cards,
which I can't).

Neil

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Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:49:00 +0100
From: "Andy Hopkinson" <andyrh@netcomuk.co.uk>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Chris Boucher email
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Chris Boucher does have an email address, 
I can't give this out, 
but I am willing to forward things, if anyone wants to contact him.


Andy.

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Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:40:40 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Ben Steed
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Kai wrote (following up on his excellent post on Steed's scripts)
>For this is exactly the point: women cannot beat a real
> man in a fair fight.

Hmmm <the Hedgehog wrote, pondering on the implications of that statement
given that at least one woman in three could beat him to a senseless pulp
with ease>

> As for Pella, yes she is indeed a murderer, there is no way round that
> fact. She has to be to justify Avon killing her, an eye for an eye. The
> bad guy (the bad gall here) must spill blood first so that the good guy
> can take him out without upsetting the audience. Now I don't feel that
> much sympathy for the character, but the whole device whereby she becomes
> a cold-blooded murderer is a bit too neat and far too obvious.

I took it as a suggestion of some Evil Feminist Conspiracy, in which a
handful of corrupt women lead their innocent sisters astray from the path of
natural virtuous submissiveness.  Pella has to be bad because the
ideological position she represents is bad.  She has to hatch her cunning
plan to steal Scorpio because she has declared war on all men, thus
preventing her from maybe sitting down with Dorian and just asking him to
ferry her and the rest of the Seska off-planet. 'Power' ignores all
possibility of cooperation in favour of a conflict which only exists in the
writer's paranoid imagination.

In actuality it is Dorian who is oppressing the Seska by keeping them
dancing to his tune, making them reliant on the nutrients he brings them.
No wonder the natives got restless.

Neil

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Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:24:48 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Chris Boucher appreciation society
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Trish wrote
> His brilliance is appreciated to such an extent that I generally attribute
eve
> ry good line to Chris Boucher.  Hmm, maybe his point about writers not
being
> appreciated is correct - it's the Story Editor that gets the credit.
Julia,
> please do send him our emails to let him know how highly we think of him.

Echoed.  Terry Nation may have created B7, but Chris B made it what it was.

Oh, and there was a typo in the URL I sent with my last post.  It should be
'~' not '#' (I obviously didn't hit the shift key hard enough).

Neil

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Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:41:06 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Ben Steed
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Neil wrote about Power:
>  
>  I took it as a suggestion of some Evil Feminist Conspiracy, in which a
>  handful of corrupt women lead their innocent sisters astray from the path 
of
>  natural virtuous submissiveness.  

Neil, there's a woman here named Jane.  I think she's looking for you.  You 
do go by the name Tarzan, don't you?

<g>

Trish

"I don't mind rough. It's fatal I'm not too keen on. "

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Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:13:48 -0400
From: "Christine+Steve" <cgorman@idirect.com>
To: "B7 Mailing List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Faster than light.
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Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 22:01:01 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: "B7 Mailing List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Faster than light.
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    Going back to a recent discussion about the Tachyon Funnel and faster
than light particles, the BBC's news website has a report on new successful
FTL experiments which is quite interesting.  If your interested, its at
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_781000/781199.stm  Although
there are some reservations about the experiments one of them entailed
sending a light pulse through a caesium gas chamber which obtained speeds of
300 times light speed.

    Steve Dobson.

    Should make interesting reading, if it actually gets published.

    Gnog

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Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 09:05:53 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [B7L] Other peoples mail
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>From: mistral@ptinet.net
> > Smile - it make 'em wonder what you're up to.
>Particularly the one at the end of Warlord.

Or the one just before the fit of laughter at the end of Gold.

Regards
Joanne
("Laugh - it makes 'em wonder about your sanity" doesn't have quite the same 
ring to it)




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Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:44:41 -0500
From: "Gerald Rocan" <grocan@home.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: other people's mail
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Jessica wrote:

>A few days ago I found the archives for the mailing list. I was reading
through some of them starting with last months and the March/April ones and
then scrolled down and had a look through November 1992. It was odd, i'm not
sure if it was the fact that I was still at primary school in 1992 that
freaked me out <

I agree with Julia who said:

><groan> thank you for that kind thought, yet another reminder that there
are fans out there who are the same age now as some of us were when we
watched the original run...<

Or even younger!

And Jessica continues:

> or the strange feeling that I was reading someone elses mail
(well I was, wasn't I?).
But I started scanning for familliar names. I also started wondering if the
same conversation topic would keep coming up every so often as new members
joined and old ones left, strange thought, like that idea of history being a
cycle.<

So Jessica, did you find any repetitions in conversation topics?  You never
said!  If you did, what were they?

- Sue

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Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:23:37 -0500
From: "Gerald Rocan" <grocan@home.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Animated gif
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Min asked:
>I was wondering if anyone has an animated B7 gif?? My sister is starting a
website for various Sci Fi shows she likes and she rather kindly, more for
my benefit than hers although she has watched B7, has offered to set up a
link for B7. This has made me very happy, but she would like an animated gif
for the link ( I think).

Can anyone help??<

I was browsing the other day and came across a site for Kodak that offered
the download for a rotating cube that you could add your own pictures to.
If your sister had such a device, she could add whatever fan pictures you
have or Our Heroes and have them rotate on the cube.  Anyone who wanted a
closer look would just have to click on the side and the picture cube stops
and the picture blows up for a better view.
If you want, I can send it to you directly in an attachment, but you'll have
to contact me personally at surocan@home.com.  Most likely it will be in a
compressed file.  I hope you'll be able to read it.

- Sue

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Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:14:09 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Star One
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On Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:59:19 EDT B7Morrigan@aol.com writes:
> Elynne wrote
>   In his mind, there was only one vote that counted, a vote no 
> acquittal 
> could override.
> >  
> >  Back to Blake.  Maybe what Blake is doing is justified, but maybe 
> Blake
> >  is beginning to realize the one person he can't justify this to 
> is himself
> 
> Good insight Ellyne and I'm intrigued by the story you recounted.  

Ah, well vanity kept me from giving the exact details, but it was from a
comic book I read years ago (there are some very good stories hidden away
in some comics, but anyone unaware of that tends to stop reading as soon
as they're brought up).  If you've ever heard of the Legion of
Superheroes, it was one of theirs.

> I'd 
> wondered how the resistance handled matters within itself as they 
> surely 
> couldn't turn a murderer or thief over to the authorities, but 
> weren't set up 
> as judge or jury, though many might volunteer as executioner.  Yet 
> there must 
> have been internal situations that demanded some type of justice 
> system.

In some cases they _might_ have been able to leave someone to local
justice, but probably only for very minor offenses where they had _very_
reasonable cause to believe the person wouldn't betray them or for minor
revolutionaries where they could make everything the person knew
obsolete.  That only works if they only know a handful of people who can
quickly and easily be moved and where what they know about plans, etc.
can quickly be changed.

Other than that, well, I've read about justice in wagon trains where they
were often limited to extreme steps like exile or hanging for relatively
mild offenses simply because they lacked alternatives.  Once someone had
broken a big enough rule where you couldn't just take them back with open
arms the next day, there weren't many choices except to send them away or
take even more severe steps (although, since the case I'm thinking off
involved the Donner party, don't think there weren't fringe benefits).

Rebels, in some areas, could probably use exile - dropping people off on
uninhabited asteroids or possibly Cygnus Alpha, but execution would have
been a very real possibility.

As for how it was done, that probably varied from group to group.  Some
might have allowed a leader to make the judgement.  Some probably tried
for some kind of trial.  Some may have had the group vote.  Some may have
made their decision without the accused present.  Rebellions are not
always as pretty as one would like.

Ellynne
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Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:16:19 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Chris Boucher appreciation society
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On Wed 07 Jun, B7Morrigan@aol.com wrote:

> His brilliance is appreciated to such an extent that I generally attribute eve
> ry good line to Chris Boucher.  Hmm, maybe his point about writers not being 
> appreciated is correct - it's the Story Editor that gets the credit. 

Erm.  He *was* the story editor, as well as the best writer.

> Julia,  please do send him our emails to let him know how highly we think of
> him.

Forwarded.

And while I'm here, can I put in a plug for 'Seven' (I'm too sore to write a
full review, but it has Chris Boucher and it also has Paul Darrow giving the
most uptodate news about the TV movie)  You can order it direct from Sheelagh
Wells (address on my web site) or from http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7

My philosophy is that I only stock stuff that I like.  This means that I don't
stock 'the Sevenfold Crown', but I have just got in a stock of 'Blakes 7: The
Inside Story', which for those who haven't already read it, is an absolutely
wonderful book about the making of the series which interviewed an incredible
number of people (including Chris Boucher) who worked on Blake's 7 and is full
of great pictures and funny stories.

I've got it at a 2 pound discount, though the postage cost wipes out the saving
unfortunately.  Still, it's well worth the money.

Judith

-- 
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 -  Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs,
pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth
Thomas, etc.  (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org )
Redemption '01  23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:25:04 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Chris Boucher (was Hostage and Terminal)
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On Wed 07 Jun, mistral@ptinet.net wrote:
> 
> 
> Julia Jones wrote:
> 
> > In message <Pine.OSF.3.96.1000606122546.22724A-100000@bsauasc>, Iain
> > Coleman <ijc@bsfiles.nerc-bas.ac.uk> writes
> > >Great line. I bet it was written by Chris Boucher.
> >
> > You know, after hearing his mutterings on the Together Again tape about
> > writers not being appreciated, I'm tempted to print off posts like these
> > and send them to him:-)
> 
> Actually, after your last post on this subject, I found myself
> wondering if there wasn't some way we could let him know how
> much we do appreciate his work. Does he have an e-mail address
> that we could cc relevant posts to, or even invite him to 'drop in'
> on us occasionally? Without his contribution, I'm quite certain I'd
> have never made it through the series once, let alone developed
> any attachment to it.

I'm in touch with Chris - I'm just publishing his second Star Cops novel, which
at the copy shop right now and should be ready in about a weeks time.

I'll forward your note onto him <smile>

Judith

-- 
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 -  Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs,
pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth
Thomas, etc.  (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org )
Redemption '01  23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:04:08 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Kai V Karmanheimo <karmanhe@cc.helsinki.fi>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Ben Steed
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Ellynne wrote: 
<There are similarities, but it's the differences that matter.> <snip>

Of course they do, and I agree with your analysis. I have been too vague
again. My Steed post rose partially out of my on-going project to chart
each writer's themes and idiosyncrasies, and when I was comparing Lee
and Steed (the easiest targets) I couldn't help but to grin at the
parallelism of these two scenes. They are completely different in mood,
message and impact, but formally both have Avon physically confronting a
woman who displays extrasensory powers to stop him, kissing her, snatching
a technological device used to boost those powers from her hand, and
leaving her shaken and powerless. Different contexts, different scenes,
but I liked watching how two writers can use the same familiar elements
and end up with two completely opposite scenes, yet both seeming to serve
their respective themes and subtexts. However, taking off my formalist
hat, I have to say that the whole flight-deck climax of "Sarcophagus" is
IMO one of the best individual scenes in the series, while the
"Power" scene is troubling, to say the least.

Kai

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Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:21:27 -0500
From: "Gerald Rocan" <grocan@home.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Other people's mail
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Ignore my last post.  I just read Sally Manton's letter that listed common
topics.  Thanks Sally.

- Sue

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Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:19:31 +0000
From: Murray <mjsmith@tcd.ie>
To: Lysator <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Hotel Terra Nostra
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I was recently looking at the brochure of a travel agency, Carvlla Tours,
that specialises in holidays in Portugal, Maderia, and the Azores. On an
island in the Azores called Sao Miguel, there is a 'Hotel Terra Nostra'.
Here is what the brochure has to say about it:

On the South Eastern side of the island, in what is considered to be one of
the most secluded spots in the world, the Hotel Terra Nostra is a perfect
setting for those seeking the most peaceful of holidays. The surrounding
Terra Nostra Park contains a fascinating collection of plants, trees and a
thermal spring.

Do the words 'perfect setting for those seeking the most peaceful of
holidays' sound menacing or have I been watching too much B7?<vbg>


Murray


Vila: Try to look on the bright side. It must have something. None of the
guests have left early. In fact, none of them have ever left at all. (_The
Way Back_)

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Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:13:25 +0100
From: "Isobel Gordon" <isobel@ussenterprise.ndo.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Hotel Terra Nostra
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Murray wrote:

> On the South Eastern side of the island, in what is considered to be one
of
> the most secluded spots in the world, the Hotel Terra Nostra is a perfect
> setting for those seeking the most peaceful of holidays. The surrounding
> Terra Nostra Park contains a fascinating collection of plants, trees and a
> thermal spring.
>
> Do the words 'perfect setting for those seeking the most peaceful of
> holidays' sound menacing or have I been watching too much B7?<vbg>
>
<g> It does sound menacing, but I think I'd be more worried about (or
possibly interested in) the "fascinating collection of plants".  Hmmm.


Izzy

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Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:20:28 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Ben Steed
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Trish wrote:
> Neil wrote about Power:
> >
> >  I took it as a suggestion of some Evil Feminist Conspiracy, in which a
> >  handful of corrupt women lead their innocent sisters astray from the
path
> of
> >  natural virtuous submissiveness.
>
> Neil, there's a woman here named Jane.  I think she's looking for you.
You
> do go by the name Tarzan, don't you?

Why do I think I've been misinterpreted?

Neil

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