From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #165 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/165 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 165 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts Re: [B7L] Quex Park museum visit (was Bounty) Re: [B7L] Re: Introduction & Murals Re: [B7L] Research Re: [B7L] Travis Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts Re: [B7L] Travis [B7L] Boo! Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts [B7L] Looking Down Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts [B7L] question.. Re: [B7L] Re: Always the bridesmaid, killed off all the grooms ... [B7L] Orac Re: [B7L] Re: Always the bridesmaid, killed off all the grooms ... [B7L] MB personality test.. Re: [B7L] Orac Re: [B7L] Orac [B7L] Josette Simon [B7L] Re: FC: Josette Simon Re: [B7L] Types of Cats Re: [B7L] Travis Re: [B7L] Types of Cats Re: [B7L] Boo! Re: [B7L] Quex Park museum visit (was Bounty) Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts Re: [B7L] Boo! Re: [B7L] Re: FC: Josette Simon Re: [B7L] Travis Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts Re: [B7L] Boo! Re: [B7L] Re: FC: Josette Simon [B7L] shooting question Re: [B7L] Quex Park museum visit (was Bounty) and locations ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:23:18 +0100 From: "David A McIntee" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Jurgen van de Sanden > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Subject: [B7L] Novelised transcripts > Date: 15 June 2000 21:51 > > Does anybody on this mailing list feel like writing novelised transcripts of > the B7 episodes like Jill Sylvan did? I'd do it but for the fact that my floppy drive has given up the ghost and died, and my copies of the transcripts are all on floppies... ------------------------------ Date: Fri Jun 16 11:29:44 BST 2000 From: Ika To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Quex Park museum visit (was Bounty) Message-Id: <200006161034.LAA19872@ns4.uk2net.com> > On Tue 13 Jun, Neil Faulkner wrote: > > > > The museum is *fantastic*. It's full of dioramas of stuffed animals (an > > earlier Powell-Cotton was an enthusiastic big game hunter who later turned > > conservationist). The first gallery you walk into, you see a glass case in > > front of you, about 20 feet high, with whole *trees* in it. And the > > branches are dripping with monkeys. > > Sounds great. Ideosyncratic museums can be really interesting. I'll add it to > the tour. > > Judith I used to get dragged off to Quex Park & museum a lot when I was tiny & lived in the area, and it's a real shame I can't make it this summer because it really is the maddest thing ever. I don't know if my memory is playing tricks on me but I'm sure there's a life-sized model of a man fighting a tiger. And possibly an elephant. And I remember flying squirrels, too. But it was a long time ago... Love, Ika ---------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using http://uk2.net UK's FREE Domains, FREE Dialup, FREE Webdesign, FREE email ------------------------------ Date: Fri Jun 16 11:36:59 BST 2000 From: Ika To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Introduction & Murals Message-Id: <200006161041.LAA20246@ns4.uk2net.com> > Isobel said: > > Oh, one last thing.. I'm a mural painter, so if anyone would like to > > commission a B7 mural.. ;o) http://surf.to/murals > > > Welcome, Isobel. > A B7 mural---what a wonderful idea! Now all you need is a rich B7 fan in > England with a big wall and a family that doesn't object to the fan's > obsession. I hope you get a taker. > > Joyce Bowen How rich? My housemate (fan) is planning to remodel her cellar over the next few months, and might be persuadable... But she is skint. Love, Ika ---------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using http://uk2.net UK's FREE Domains, FREE Dialup, FREE Webdesign, FREE email ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:54:03 +0000 From: Murray To: Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Research Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> I'm testing my writing skills on a B7 fan fic - its something I've >>never done before, so I'm not sure how it'l turn out. But I need a >>little help with a fact. The crystals the crew were after in City - did >>they ever get named? I know they were used in the Liberator's weaponry >>system, but was there anymore information given? I can't remember if >>they were mentioned in any other episode. Anyone know? Steve >>Dobson. Dear Steve, Very little information was given about the crystals in 'City'. They were not named, and no other information was mentioned about them other than that they were needed for the ship's weaponry system. We saw what they looked like, and the handful Vila brought back to the ship were sufficient, suggesting that they were quite powerful; and that is all. To the best of my knowledge, they didn't appear in any other episode. Yours, Murray ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:16:42 EST From: "Jessica Taylor" To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis Message-ID: <20000616111642.57932.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Jacqueline Thijsen >To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se >Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis >Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:16:52 +0200 >I hope this helped with your story. > >Jacqueline I think so, thanks a lot for the help, despite my rather abrupt request (sorry, I was a little frustrated). Take care all. Jessica PS Happy Blooms Day Everyone! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jun 2000 13:20:20 +0200 From: Calle Dybedahl To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts Message-ID: <86n1kllvnv.fsf@tezcatlipoca.algonet.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>>> "David" == David A McIntee writes: > I'd do it but for the fact that my floppy drive has given up the ghost and > died, and my copies of the transcripts are all on floppies... http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/b7list/b7scripts/ -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se "English has rules in the same sense the computer industry has standards." -- Chris Adams, scary.devil.monastery ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:11:04 +0200 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000616130610.00a827a0@pop3.wish.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 21:15 15-6-00, Judith Proctor wrote: >On Thu 15 Jun, Jacqueline Thijsen wrote: > > > That doesn't mean that he stopped hating Blake, but the drive was > gone. Just > > look at Gambit, where he barely seemed interested in the fact that > Blake was > > standing next to him and even allowed Blake to take care of the bomb in > his > > arm. That's a far cry from the rabid hatred we saw in Weapon > >I think a lot of people miss that point as it isn't very clear in the >episode. >Travis knew about the bomb (though I forget how) and expected it to go off and >kill Blake. He was willing to die as long as Blake died too. I just rewatched the episode and you're right. But Travis only heard about the bomb from that enforcer of Krantor that he'd shot a few minutes before he found out that Blake was there (he said he expected Blake, but I seriously doubt that he expected Blake to show up at that exact moment). I think he expected to die no matter what he did since the bomb was (according to the guard) set to go off after a certain amount of time or immediately when the arm was removed. Docholli wasn't exactly an explosives expert, so Travis must have figured that if he was going to die anyway, he might as well take Blake with him. He did react more violently than I remembered after Blake discovered the explosive, but I think that may have been a reaction to Servalan's decision to finally really get rid of him, first by showing up with a new puppet at her side (IIRC, Travis only ever bothers to call people names when they've attracted Servalan's attention in such a way that they might interfere with his priorities and so it's quite interesting to see that he takes the time to call Jarriere a powder puff or something like that) and then by trying to kill him. He was acting quite sane and calm before he met Servalan. Afterwards, he was just about ordering Docholli to set off the bomb, and he didn't even try to attack Blake once it was discovered. He simply pulled his arm out of Blake's hands in a rage and then nearly begged to be shot. Like Blake said (while channeling counsellor Troi ): killing Travis at that point would have been a mercy. In short, I still think that at this point getting Servalan to take him back was more important to Travis than killing Blake and her rejection of him was a devastating blow. The fact that she did it again in The Keeper was probably enough to push him all the way over the edge. I have a sneaking suspicion that his desire after that episode to destroy the Federation was pretty much his way of smashing Servalan's favorite toy, because she'd been mean to him. >I can't now recall why Servalan didn't actually arm the bomb, but there was an >implied reason. I think her main aim was for Krantor to *think* it was armed. She wanted to make sure that Krantor met Docholli while the doc was still alive and potentially capable of telling Krantor about Star One. After all, she could hardly expect the Federation to put Krantor on their most wanted list and approve an invasion of Freedom City if he'd only been in contact with Docholli's dead body. Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:28:23 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: "lysator" Subject: [B7L] Boo! Message-ID: <028701bfd7af$e7984d30$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wotcha, everyone. Well, the arms are damn near fine, and I was feeling deprived of all that lovely friendly Blakey email popping into my inbox. I see from the archives that Neil has been passing off pictures of me as himself. Remember, Neily-babes: 'usually sadistic and malevolent creatures, goblins have a connection to the dark arts. The rare goblin who is smart and cunning enough can master dark magic and become a chillingly cruel opponent'. Missed me? Una ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:27:01 +0300 (EET DST) From: Kai V Karmanheimo To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jurgen wrote: I wrote novelisations of five episodes about ten years ago, but unfortunately they were in Finnish (with the dialogue translated), so they are of no use here. I did them mostly to practise my writing for my own projects, because having the story and the dialogue ready makes it easier to concentrate on the representation alone. And it did allow me to add internal monologues and other stuff of my own to the basic framework. I can now look back on them with a sense of embarrassment, but then again I do think my version of "Project Avalon" was better than Trevor Hoyle's and he got his published! However, it would be interesting to have more fan-written novelisations available in English, even several of the same episode. That would be one way of seeing how different people see the same episode, what things they emphasise etc. You could do an anthology of different readings of one episode ("The Way Back - Ad Nauseam"?) If anyone has the necessary time and skill... Kai ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:54:47 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts Message-ID: <029801bfd7b3$a9b5b940$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kai wrote: > my version of "Project Avalon" was better than Trevor Hoyle's and > he got his published! I read an SF novel of Trevor Hoyle's and it was rather good: very black humour indeed. Una ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:25:09 -0400 From: "Dana Shilling" To: "b7" Subject: [B7L] Looking Down Message-ID: <003201bfd7b7$ed3195a0$36ae4e0c@dshilling> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Although Web sites often describe themselves as "vertical portals," as if this were something special, the only "horizontal portal" I can think of is a manhole cover. I happened to look down at one today, and TELEPORT was embossed into it. And me without my bracelet.... -(Y) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:32:30 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Fri 16 Jun, David A McIntee wrote: > > > ---------- > > From: Jurgen van de Sanden > > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > > Subject: [B7L] Novelised transcripts > > Date: 15 June 2000 21:51 > > > > Does anybody on this mailing list feel like writing novelised transcripts > of > > the B7 episodes like Jill Sylvan did? > > I'd do it but for the fact that my floppy drive has given up the ghost and > died, and my copies of the transcripts are all on floppies.. Fear not. You can find all the transcripts on my web site as well as at Lysator. Darn, there goes your excuse Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:35:22 PDT From: "Isobel Hamilton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] question.. Message-ID: <20000616213522.72486.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >Now all you need is a rich B7 fan in England with a big wall and a >family >that doesn't object to the fan's obsession. I hope you get a >taker. Just have to wait and see I suppose! I've decided a life size painting of a character would be rather nice.. and I'm trying to restrain myself from attempting an Avon.. but I don't know how much longer I can resist trying :o) >According to the Meyers Briggs test, I'm Travis (no need to ask which > >one). I've heard mentions about this.. is this just people working out what character type they are and comparing it to the B7 list or has someone actually made a wonderful quiz which will tell you which B7 character you are most like? Isobel ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:41:41 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Always the bridesmaid, killed off all the grooms ... Message-ID: <20000616214141.41721.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Fiona wrote: Oh, I'll agree about the sack (though I'm still holding out on the pink and green lace bon bon). It's interesting how - errr - varied her taste in clothing is (notwithstanding the fact that late 70s retro is fashionable anyway). She wears a lot of gorgeous clothes (my personal favourite is still the very first outfit we see her in in SLD, though the one in Star One is lovely too) and wears them beautifully. But there's the chickenwire neck-protector in Weapon, the vulture costume in Animals, the above-mentioned outfit in Pressure Point (although there were a lot of bad costumes running around that one mutter grumble) and I have a personal distaste for the nightie-with-dried-pasta-decoration in Terminal. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:18:21 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] Orac Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Did Orac have loyalties? I like to think he did, and for a story I'm trying to work out in my head, it may be relevent, but I keep running up against Volcano. MORI: We know that Servalan is coming with more reinforcements. We know that we're safe here until she does. We also know that we're going to get at least a million credits from her for this little toy. So, Orac, I'm talking to you. You can provide Servalan with a flight path that evades the long range detectors on this planet. That will come in very useful. Can you do that? ORAC: I have access to the necessary data banks. It is really quite simple. If an attacking force comes in at zero three seven degrees approach they will find the blind spot in the detectors and thence can use tactical missiles with impunity. Why does Orac give them the answer? Is Orac just a machine that must reply to any question asked it? I think not (if Orac doesn't want to answer, it generally involves a long argument to get your own way) Does Orac have any sympathies with the Federation? I doubt it. He had Ensor's personality. Can anyone give me a convincing reason why Orac sells out the crew? Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:52:43 -0700 From: Nick Moffitt To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Always the bridesmaid, killed off all the grooms ... Message-ID: <20000616145243.H32679@zork.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii begin Sally Manton quotation: > It's interesting how - errr - varied her taste in clothing is > (notwithstanding the fact that late 70s retro is fashionable > anyway). She wears a lot of gorgeous clothes (my personal favourite > is still the very first outfit we see her in in SLD, though the one > in Star One is lovely too) and wears them beautifully. But there's > the chickenwire neck-protector in Weapon, the vulture costume in > Animals, the above-mentioned outfit in Pressure Point (although > there were a lot of bad costumes running around that one mutter > grumble) and I have a personal distaste for the > nightie-with-dried-pasta-decoration in Terminal. Let's not forget the scalloped mesh random-circular-thing from Gambit! That was the only outfit that seemed to make her less than graceful. She tended to fidget with it when she walked around. -- CrackMonkey.Org - Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks LinuxCabal.Org - Co-location facilities and meeting space Pigdog.Org - The Online Handbook for Bad People of the Future You are not entitled to your opinions. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:53:30 PDT From: "Isobel Hamilton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] MB personality test.. Message-ID: <20000616215330.42544.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed In response to my question before, I did a little searching and found a quiz myself, and I seem to be an INTJ. Which apparently makes me either Avon or Cally, depending on opinion, which is fine with me! Isobel ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:58:43 -0700 From: Nick Moffitt To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Orac Message-ID: <20000616145843.I32679@zork.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii begin Judith Proctor quotation: > Did Orac have loyalties? I like to think he did, and for a story > I'm trying to work out in my head, it may be relevent, but I keep > running up against Volcano. [Orac gives Mori a safe trajectory] > Why does Orac give them the answer? Is Orac just a machine that > must reply to any question asked it? I think not (if Orac doesn't > want to answer, it generally involves a long argument to get your > own way) Orac is self-important in a way that Avon and Vila exploit in Gambit. They pull the old "I bet you can't shrink yourself down!" routine, and Orac simply *has* to prove his superiority. Perhaps Orac found thie trajectory puzzle interesting enough to want to solve, and difficult enough to want to brag. Normally Orac refuses to answer a question when he feels it was asked or phrased foolishly. That's another form of bragging, really. -- CrackMonkey.Org - Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks LinuxCabal.Org - Co-location facilities and meeting space Pigdog.Org - The Online Handbook for Bad People of the Future You are not entitled to your opinions. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:08:35 EDT From: B7Morrigan@aol.com To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Orac Message-ID: <54.5539588.267bff63@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Judith asked: > > Why does Orac give them the answer? Is Orac just a machine that must reply > to any question asked it? I think not (if Orac doesn't want to answer, it > generally involves a long argument to get your own way) > > Does Orac have any sympathies with the Federation? I doubt it. He had Ensor's > personality. > > Can anyone give me a convincing reason why Orac sells out the crew? > I found that scene unusual for another reason. Servalan's fleet (you know the 8 ships that attacked Liberator and the 8 ships that retreated after 3 of them were destroyed ) would use the information to threaten and attack the planet, therefore threatening Orac's safety. Usually that is one of his primary concerns, and often his loyalty to the crew is really self-serving. In this case, giving Mori the coordinates doesn't really endanger Liberator so much as it endangers those on the planet (Cally, Tarrant, and Dayna). I agree with Nick that Orac did like the challenge aspect, but wondered how Orac thought Mori and company would get it/him to safety. It may have calculated that its chance of survival was better if Servalan's threat was successful than if he remained in the hands of Federation officers while Servalan's fleet was destroyed. He miscalculated the planet's resistance, didn't he? Trish "I don't mind rough. It's fatal I'm not too keen on. " ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:36:30 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List cc: Freedom City Subject: [B7L] Josette Simon Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Josette Simon just got awarded an OBE ! (for her Shakespearean work I rather suspect ) Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:47:21 EDT From: B7Morrigan@aol.com To: freedom-city@blakes-7.org, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: FC: Josette Simon Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Judith wrote: > Josette Simon just got awarded an OBE ! (for her Shakespearean work I > rather > suspect ) Not for Animals? Una will be disappointed... Trish "I don't mind rough. It's fatal I'm not too keen on. " ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:46:05 +0100 From: "Nyder" To: "Nick Moffitt" , Subject: Re: [B7L] Types of Cats Message-ID: <000101bfd7e8$a093f9a0$adc628c3@stx.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Moffitt To: Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 12:16 AM Subject: Re: [B7L] Types of Cats Sorry Nick, but is anyone else having trouble reading this? Your message came as an attatchment which I couldn't open. Fiona Fiona Moore http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:45:57 +0100 From: "Nyder" To: "Jessica Taylor" , Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis Message-ID: <000001bfd7e8$9f22b660$adc628c3@stx.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Jessica Taylor To: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 10:54 PM Subject: [B7L] Travis > Can anyone help me, > What exactly do you think Travis's motives were. That is was his crusade > against Blake solely about getting revenge or was there some patriotism > there too. I'm trying to write something and it's bugging me. I'm most inclined to go with the character portrait from "The Final Act" (some of you are going "well she would, wouldn't she?" :) )-- that in a sense, the only family, the only society Travis knew was the military. Notice how he toes the party line with Servalan regardless of whether he agrees with her actions, cos she's the commander; how he'll go all out for a fellow soldier, simply because he's "one of ours." Without the military, Travis' mental state, which had previously been simply obsessive, tips over into downright insanity. So I'm not sure it's so much patriotism as, in a sense, "family" loyalty; Blake, being against the Federation and thus against its military (not to mention not adverse to causing the deaths of a few of its members), is raising two fingers to the institution which is effectively the source of Travis' personal identity. So I'd say revenge was a big part of it, but I'm not sure about the other bit. You can call that sort of loyalty patriotism if you like, but since it's loyalty to an institution, not necessarily a country (empire, mega-state, whatever), I'm not inclined to call it that. "He broke the rules." "Which rules are those?" "The only ones that matter. Ours." Fiona Fiona Moore http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:39:57 -0400 From: "Christine+Steve" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Types of Cats Message-ID: <007301bfd7ec$41937620$aa249ad8@cgorman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nyder wrote : [B7L] Types of Cats > > Sorry Nick, but is anyone else having trouble reading this? Your message > came as an attatchment which I couldn't open. > There's something in Outlook Express which doesn't like his messages. Before you open his messages, you need to right click on it and select properties. Click on the details tab, then click on Message Source. The message will show up in a special window. Steve Dobson. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 03:48:51 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Boo! Message-ID: <006901bfd806$dee339a0$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Una wrote: > I see from the archives that Neil has been passing off pictures of me as > himself. Remember, Neily-babes: 'usually sadistic and malevolent creatures, > goblins have a connection to the dark arts. The rare goblin who is smart and > cunning enough can master dark magic and become a chillingly cruel > opponent'. Missed me? Awww, 'Neily-babes', how sweet. Well, Yoona-woo-woo-kins, I think in your case it's the other way round, in that being a mistress of dark magic and a chillingly cruel opponent has turned you into a goblin. And made you sadistic and malevolent to boot. Fight it, woman, fight it! While you still have the chance! Neil ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 03:42:46 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Quex Park museum visit (was Bounty) Message-ID: <006801bfd806$ddffde80$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ika wrote: > I used to get dragged off to Quex Park & museum a lot when I was tiny & lived > in the area, and it's a real shame I can't make it this summer because it > really is the maddest thing ever. I don't know if my memory is playing tricks > on me but I'm sure there's a life-sized model of a man fighting a tiger. And > possibly an elephant. And I remember flying squirrels, too. Your memory is playing tricks, but not by that much. It's actually a lion fighting a buffalo (the lion being the same one that mauled Powell-Cotton on one of his expeditions. There's definitely an elephant in one of the exhibits. Also an aardvark. I definitely remember the aardvark. Neil PS: How did you escape from Thanet? Is there some network that smuggles people out? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:49:50 +0300 (EET DST) From: Kai V Karmanheimo To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Una wrote: I've read his novel The Last Gasp, which I wouldn't call monumental, but it was pretty enjoyable, occasionally inspiring (from what I can remember). It *was* better than his Project Avalon book (I haven't read his two other novelisations so I can't comment on those). I remember coming across Project Avalon in a second-hand bookshop at the time when my interest in Blake's 7 was probably at its lowest. After reading the novel, I actually wondered what I had ever seen in the whole series (re-watching a couple of episodes reminded me). I don't know, but somehow the book seems to go through the motions of the episodic plots without conveying any of the feel or the intrigue of the characters or the situations, apart from a couple of inspired moments, and contributing nothing that would strengthen the original material. His only addition that has stuck to my mind is the one in a "Duel" scene, where Avon tells Gan to go back to counting his fingers and Gan replies that Avon's broken teeth would be better practice... Kai ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:27:35 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Boo! Message-ID: <03c801bfd835$f24e7e80$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil wrote: > Una wrote: > > I see from the archives that Neil has been passing off pictures of me as > > himself. Remember, Neily-babes: 'usually sadistic and malevolent creatures, > > goblins have a connection to the dark arts. The rare goblin who is smart and > > cunning enough can master dark magic and become a chillingly cruel > > opponent'. Missed me? > > Awww, 'Neily-babes', how sweet. Well, Yoona-woo-woo-kins, I think in your > case it's the other way round, in that being a mistress of dark magic and a > chillingly cruel opponent has turned you into a goblin. And made you > sadistic and malevolent to boot. Fight it, woman, fight it! While you > still have the chance! Neil, you always say the nicest things Una ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:24:56 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: FC: Josette Simon Message-ID: <03c701bfd835$f1fbf1b0$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Trish wrote: > Judith wrote: > > > Josette Simon just got awarded an OBE ! (for her Shakespearean work I > > rather > > suspect ) > > Not for Animals? Una will be disappointed... A typical oversight on the part of our lords and masters. Una ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 02:58:20 -0600 From: Penny Dreadful To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis Message-Id: <4.1.20000617025602.009355e0@mail.powersurfr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:45 AM 6/16/00 +0100, Nyder wrote: >"He broke the rules." "Which rules are those?" "The only ones that matter. >Ours." and >Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed I have nothing to contribute. I'm just so delighted to see someone quoting from "Trial". Twice. -- For A Dread Time, Call Penny: http://members.tripod.com/~Penny_Dreadful/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:56:53 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts Message-ID: <03d701bfd83a$3f7554a0$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kai wrote: > Una wrote: > humour indeed.> > > I've read his novel The Last Gasp, which I wouldn't call monumental, but > it was pretty enjoyable, occasionally inspiring (from what I can > remember). This was a novel called 'Vail', and was a quite well-observed near future police state type book of the sort that were popular in the 1980s. It had a very sick, Soylent Green theme, IIRC. About 18 months ago, I saw his new novel was being promoted, so I read the back cover and was hugely entertained to see him described on the lines of: 'Britain's most promising and stylish SF writer'. My, how we laughed. I didn't buy it. > It *was* better than his Project Avalon book (I haven't read > his two other novelisations so I can't comment on those). The others are workmanlike. The first one is quite interesting in that he appears to be working from an earlier version of the script than the one that's transmitted. There are just little bits here and there that you don't get on screen, such as people's clothes being the colour of the job they do. I remember being thrilled getting my hands on it. I was about 11 (so 1983, just after the 4th season repeats), and the library tracked it down for me. It was the hardback edition and it looked fab. It was one of the most exciting things that had ever happened to me at the time and I read it cover to cover that day and pretty much every day after that. I wondered if I could pinch it, but I was still a model citizen at that stage, and sadly handed it back when the loan was up. 'Scorpio Attacks' is a pile of shit. At least I got it for 10p. It was the only piece of B7 stuff that I got rid of in our recent clear out of SF gear. In fact, I think I actually had to give it away ('Take the shite Dr Who Target novelizations and I'll chuck in a 'Scorpio Attacks...'). Una ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 11:41:04 +0200 From: "Marian de Haan" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Boo! Message-ID: <003201bfd840$27fd9520$c9ee72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From Una: > Neil, you always say the nicest things Give him a big hug, Una. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 02:58:56 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: FC: Josette Simon Message-ID: <20000617095857.99593.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Trish: and Una: Actually, Una, didn't you miss my confession that I'm developing a soft spot for the wretched thing? (I still haven't worked out if it's in my heart or head.) I know my faltering approbation isn't as impressive as an official award OTOH, it's probably the closest Animals will come ...) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 12:02:34 +0200 From: "Marian de Haan" To: Subject: [B7L] shooting question Message-ID: <003a01bfd843$3058d600$c9ee72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For a story I'm writing I need to know how Liberator's cannons (or whatever they're called) work. Does Liberator's nose has to point towards the target in order to aim or can the cannons be turned independent of the ship's position? I can only remember one occasion of Liberator firing, in Volcano, and there the ship seems to be shooting straight forward. Are there any occasions where the cannons shoot sideways or to the rear? Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sat Jun 17 15:55:15 BST 2000 From: Ika To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Quex Park museum visit (was Bounty) and locations Message-Id: <200006171500.QAA01309@ns4.uk2net.com> > Ika wrote: > > I used to get dragged off to Quex Park & museum a lot when I was tiny & > lived > > in the area, and it's a real shame I can't make it this summer because it > > really is the maddest thing ever. I don't know if my memory is playing > tricks > > on me but I'm sure there's a life-sized model of a man fighting a tiger. > And > > possibly an elephant. And I remember flying squirrels, too. > > Your memory is playing tricks, but not by that much. It's actually a lion > fighting a buffalo (the lion being the same one that mauled Powell-Cotton on > one of his expeditions. There's definitely an elephant in one of the > exhibits. Also an aardvark. I definitely remember the aardvark. > > Neil What about the flying squirrels? I don't remember an aardvark. The lion fighting a buffalo sounds about right, though. > > PS: How did you escape from Thanet? Is there some network that smuggles > people out? If only. I was actually in - wait for it - Herne Bay (not *quite* Thanet. Or so we like to tell ourselves), and as you probably know there's an ancient Kentish law specifying that you aren't allowed to live there if you're over 14 or under 70. Love Ika PS: Dragging Bounty back in by hook or by crook: isn't it a tragedy that I never started watching B7 till I moved out of Kent? (Though now I live near - taran-tara - Leeds University. Oh, hey, this can be on topic after all. Anybody know which episodes used which bits of Leeds University? I was all over- excited when I thought I spotted a lecture hall in Voice from the Past, but apparently that's in Wembley.) ---------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using http://uk2.net UK's FREE Domains, FREE Dialup, FREE Webdesign, FREE email -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #165 **************************************