From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #173 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/173 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 173 Today's Topics: RE: [B7L] crew Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #168 Re: [B7L] Recruitment Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon) [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #172 [B7L] Travii-Traves Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) Re: [B7L] Recruitment Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) Re: [B7L] Re: Travis Re [B7L] crew Re: [B7L] shields up Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) Re: [B7L] Interesting food (not jelly or Jell-O) [B7L] Sighting.... Re: [B7L] Re: Jell-O/ jelly rebellion [B7L] Tynus aboard? [B7L] Re: crew additions [B7L] Re: If we'd been there Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Re: [B7L]lost episodes: was: Animals Re: [B7L] Re: If we'd been there Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Re: [B7L] Tynus aboard? Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #172 Re: [B7L] Re: If we'd been there Re: [B7L] Re: Lurena (was blakes7-d Digest V00 #172) Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) Re: [B7L] Animals Valium episodes (was Re: [B7L] Animals) Re: [B7L] Re: If we'd been there Re: [B7L] Animals [B7L] Back from the conference [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons (OK, it's mostly about Jarriere) [B7L] Marion McChesney funeral info ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:16:59 +-100 From: Louise Rutter To: "'B7 Lysator'" Subject: RE: [B7L] crew Message-ID: <01BFDD3F.6395C0E0@host62-7-1-196.btinternet.com> >Of all the people whom they met on their travels, who would you most >like to have joined the crew? >I'd nominate Levett from Mission to Destiny - brains and cool and not >fazed by Avon. Levett or Tyce - I think they're fantastic characters. They both had a bite to them. Much as I love Sarkoff, I don't think he would have added much to crew dynamics. Kasabi was also a great character I'd like to have seen more of - this is how Cally should have been more often. Louise ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:14:56 +0100 From: "Nyder" To: , "Jacqueline Thijsen" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #168 Message-ID: <000201bfdd3e$6aed2320$981086d4@stx.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #168 > by making them choose between the two Travii. Traves (assuming the noun is declined as third-gender regular, eg: canis, canes [that's "dog" for those of you who didn't have to take Latin at school]) Fiona, Fionae Fiona Moore http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:17:27 +0100 From: "Nyder" To: "Marian de Haan" , "Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Recruitment Message-ID: <000301bfdd3e$6bd81f60$981086d4@stx.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Marian de Haan To: Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [B7L] Recruitment > can be excused for not bothering. :-) Besides, Avon, Jenna and Vila would > not be pleased with the addition of some dedicated, selfless freedom > fighters who would encourage Blake in his dangerous missions. I can see > those three working together to prevent any candidate from joining them. Plus they'd have to stop calling it "Blake's 7" and start using some sort of random app: "Blake's {x+y-z-1} where X is number of original crewmembers, Y is the number of selfless freedom fighters encountered, Z is the number of individuals with four lines per episode whom the director doesn't like..." perhaps? Fiona Fiona Moore http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:02:36 +0100 From: "Nyder" To: "Wendy S. Penberriss" , "Ellynne G." , "Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon) Message-ID: <000501bfdd3e$6e6e5aa0$981086d4@stx.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Wendy S. Penberriss To: Ellynne G. ; Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon) > > IIRC in the ending Justin wasn't supposed to die and > Cally was supposed to go off with him-- which seems a > bit more Doctor Who than Blake's 7 to me Ah, but there would always have to be a B7 twist to it... they might well have wound up on opposite sides of an Animal rights campaign, or he'd have gotten shot during a Telepaths' Lib meeting. Perhaps she'd have cropped up in "Blake" as a disillusioned vegetarian bounty hunter, starving to death because she doesn't fancy eating squirrels.... In B7, no one gets a happy ending. Especially not in Series 4. Fiona Fiona Moore http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:36:27 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #172 Message-ID: <3953A01A.4CA@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Lurena from Star One. [Yes, you may groan but I like the character :-)] > She must be a skilled technician to be of use on Star One and she doesn't > scream when she finds those bodies. Actually, Marian, I'd agree. She also was aware soemthing was terribly wrong on Star One, and ready to confront the others to find out what was goig on. It would be interesting to have someone who has been a Federation Loyalist in a position on the Liberator. The others would probably make it clear to her that having been on Star One might put her in a very awkward position if she were to go back to the Federation. Avon and Vila would still make sure she never got close to the communicator by herself, until such time as they were really convinced of her loyalty, and they aren't easy to convince... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:25:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Tegan Donnelly To: B7 list Subject: [B7L] Travii-Traves Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > by making them choose between the two Travii. > Traves (assuming the noun is declined as third-gender regular, eg: canis, > canes [that's "dog" for those of you who didn't have to take Latin at > school]) But Travii looks cooler, like Elvii. cheers, tegan (*) tegan@offcenter.org http://offcenter.org/~tegan Ice is all he was made of The bitter blue, and frozen through He went over to the mound Reclining down his final thoughts Were drifting to the time this life had shined - Phish, Mound ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:41:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Wendy S. Penberriss" To: Ika , blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) Message-ID: <20000623184120.25184.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Ika wrote: >I quite like Anna Grant as well, once she loses the dreadful perm and stops >being a simpering git and turns into hardcore Federation chick with ambitions. Awww-- we finally see what Avon saw in her, minutes before she bites the dust. >And it's a great Servalan episode. She is so brave... Well, I'd call it something else ;). But yes. >drama-school-improvisation-exercise stylee. I know Josette Simon was only 5 >minutes out of RADA, but still...) Really? Wow. Wendy "It's an old wall, Avon, it waits." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:33:30 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Recruitment Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Thu 22 Jun, Marian de Haan wrote: > > Nick Moffitt wrote: > >> begin Helen Krummenacker quotation: > >> > I think the Liberator was *supposed* to have enough people that one > person could just stand there and press the button. 5-6 people do not make a > full complement for a ship that size. > > > This, of course, makes the whole "why doesn't Blake invite more people on > to his crew?" bit the more ridiculous. > > Considering the trouble he had getting his small crew to do his bidding, he > can be excused for not bothering. :-) Besides, Avon, Jenna and Vila would > not be pleased with the addition of some dedicated, selfless freedom > fighters who would encourage Blake in his dangerous missions. I can see > those three working together to prevent any candidate from joining them. And when Star Four comes out, you can read a story on this very theme... Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:30:07 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Thu 22 Jun, Jurgen van de Sanden wrote: > Your episode reviews are great! Very interesting and very well written! > Unfortunately I couldn't find the reviews of 'Orac' to 'Killer'. Haven't > they been added yet? I'm working through them doing the occasional edit (Marian asked me to correct any Dutch/English typos - though there are very few of them) and adding the occasional comment. Once I've done that, they go up on the next site upload which can sometimes mean a few day's delay. There's 4 waiting to be uploaded at the moment. I think they're great. I must have watched the series I don't know how many times and yet Marian found plot holes that I missed. Mind you, I found one great big one that she'd missed, so we're almost even. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:44:33 +0100 From: "Nyder" To: "Harriet Monkhouse" <101637.2064@compuserve.com>, "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Travis Message-ID: <000401bfdd3e$6cb252c0$981086d4@stx.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: Blake's 7 (Lysator) Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Travis > crewmate (Blake or Tarrant). Avon shoots well-known one-eyed man whom he > assumes (rightly or wrongly) is responsible for crewmate's injuries, not to > mention a large-scale act of treachery. Cf. "The Mark of Kane" audiotape. "Welcome to the Travis club," says Kane as Blake is stabbed in the eye... Fiona Fiona Moore http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:57:08 +0200 From: "Marian de Haan" To: "Lysator List" Subject: Re [B7L] crew Message-ID: <003c01bfdd4d$3fca3520$18ed72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nick Moffitt wrote: > Remember that Lurena was conditioned. That's why she didn't scream.< She was conditioned not to reveal anything about Star One. That doesn't necessarily include being conditioned not to scream on finding a room full of corpses. After all, her conditioners could not have foreseen that occasion arising. :-) Marian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:08:49 +0100 From: "Nyder" To: "Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] shields up Message-ID: <000601bfdd3e$6f3f6640$981086d4@stx.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger the Shrubber To: blake's seven Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 2:08 PM Subject: [B7L] shields up > For example > Microsoft is pleased to announce Plasma Bolt Detector v1.0, incorporating > Shield Raiser public beta - Trust it with your life ! Hm, what a horrible thought. A few others: Long-Range Detectors powered by AltaVista v. 2.1: unless you input your search parameters in pure boolean format, it sends you back a list of every asteroid and space particle in the region, in no particular order... RealScanner Basic v. 4.0. "Put it on the visual, Zen" "Confirmed, now wait 20 minutes for download. Oh, and if the streaming is patchy it's not our fault, it's your connection..." (Scorpio, naturally, has the QuickTime version, which is just as bad and requires a plugin which crashes your whole system...) Microsoft Onboardcomputer Suite 7. Ten fiddly little programmes you never use, and one you always would do except that you can't figure out the commands. When you hit the Help key, a little paperclip pops up and says "Terribly sorry, marster, but..." Microsoft Orac 2000. Glitzy popups, daily helpful hints, fully web-enabled... and it still won't give you a straight answer. Prone to viruses, which is actually a plus as the results are very enteratining.... Of course, things are not likely to be much better on the other side: "Mutoid, what do you mean you've lost them?" "I keep hitting 'search,' Commander, but I just keep getting 404. Perhaps if we disconnected and reconnected in ten minutes?" Fiona Fiona Moore http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:40:19 EDT From: B7Morrigan@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) Message-ID: <6f.6931aae.26827423@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > And has anyone noticed she has a statue of a nude lady on her desk? > > > > Not noticed that, what like, > > an arty classical-esque nude? :-) > > > > Izzy Probably more along the lines of indicating Servalan's taste in fine art. Perhaps she's a bit of a deco collector and it's a Frankart (not on the BBC budget, must have been borrowed). Those are quite lovely, flowing and graceful. Trish "I don't mind rough. It's fatal I'm not too keen on. " ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:20:11 EDT From: B7Morrigan@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) Message-ID: <99.67c7c29.26826f6b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, Penny. It's time to confess. We, the mad-for-Avon, can stand Avon in almost anything (even a bit of overacting although not those shoulderpads from Deathwatch) but Anna/Sula? THIS (shuddering quite obviously) is what our hero has been pining after for all those years? We see him in a new and tragic light, the light of unbelievably horrid taste and rose-colored glasses. It's not an attractive sight. Sally expressed it in quite restrained words: I think she has the soul of a loathsome spotted toad and a voice like fingernails on a blackboard, you are more inclined to wonder what the hell got into the Beloved Idiot to waste all that time and effort and emotion on her. Which does sort of put a crimp in the romance and the sentiment. > > Now had it been someone like Levett (MoD)... No, I don't think that's quite right either. However, I've been looking for a story title and Beloved Idiot might just do... Trish "I don't mind rough. It's fatal I'm not too keen on. " ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:49:16 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Interesting food (not jelly or Jell-O) Message-ID: <000c01bfdd62$d10d3360$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harriet asks: > Have you tried marmite on chocolate cake? No, and given my intense loathing of marmite I am unlikely to. Besides, the purity of chocolate cake is too precious to be violated. I've been known to have onion bhajee sandwiches for breakfast. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:40:18 -0400 From: "Christine+Steve" To: "B7 Mailing List" Subject: [B7L] Sighting.... Message-ID: <003601bfdd7d$3a9d48a0$24069ad8@cgorman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was watching an old episode of Yes Minister earlier this evening, on our local PBS TV station, here in Toronto. The episode was "Death List", where Jim Hacker is listed on a freedom fighting team's assassination list. He gets assigned a team of bodyguards from Special Branch... and one of them is Michael Keating. He only had two lines... but the surprising thing was seeing him with a moustache. Don't think it suited him at all! I'm pretty sure it was filmed in the early 80's but I'm not sure if it was post B7, or filmed during a season break. Good to see him though. Steve Dobson. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:58:13 +0100 From: "Nyder" To: , Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Jell-O/ jelly rebellion Message-ID: <006b01bfdbaa$e410e920$10c628c3@stx.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Jell-O/ jelly rebellion > In a message dated 06/21/2000 7:17:03 AM Central Daylight Time, > jeroenkw@gns.getronics.nl writes: > > > Thanx, I'll look for it tonight. I'm sure the flavor is ok. I always wanted > > to wobble the plate with some yello on it! :) > > > > If nothing else I could make some moondisks ! ;) > > I recommend the cherry flavor. Orange is also pretty good, with shredded > pineapple in it. > > Or you could combine the two to get the proper color for moondiscs. ;-) Another fun thing is to make it with vodka instead of water. VERY entertaining at parties! Fiona Fiona Moore http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:12:26 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Tynus aboard? Message-ID: <3954352A.48FA@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Tynus (Killer - Avon's friend trying to stab Avon's Fearless > Leader in the back. Yum) Oh, wow. What a possibility... Tynus is now the one talking about how easy to just fly off stranding Fearless Leader and anyone else inconvienient... Avon's the one saying "Don't touch those controls". And trying desperately to justify everything logically. "We need to be able to trust the remaining crew, and for *that*, they need to think they can trust us. Give them one more hour to contact the ship. After that, we can say they are lost, and we must cut our losses." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:14:03 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: crew additions Message-ID: <3954358A.4920@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I liked Docholli, from Gambit. He was also on the run from the Federation, > looking for a place to hide and the crew only really had Cally doing first > aid. I bet they could have used a decent medic from time to time. A > likeable guy, experienced with the Federation, probably could have been very > useful. > Steve Dobson. Last, but not least, a drinking buddy for Vila. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:15:21 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: If we'd been there Message-ID: <395435D8.187C@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > And Steve, did you really have to ask Cally if you could see > > how much hair she had under that dress? > > Umm.. .it was part of a scientific experiment I was doing on Aliens... > honest! > "There is no logical reason why aliens should be hairy." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:03:29 +0930 From: "Minnie" To: "Jessica Taylor" , Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Message-ID: <000301bfdda6$d0fe4e60$20ae3acb@marina> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Dana asked: >>(....who thinks Ultraworld is much, much worse than either >>Sarcophagus or Animals) Whats wrong with Ultraworld and Sarcophagus? I really like these two, they are in my top ten. Although Im not a fan of Animals. (Justin is soooooooo ewwwww IMHO) I really dislike 'Stardrive' too. Ive taken to calling that the 'Punk rockers from outer space' episode. I really find it hard to watch. Sorry but its true. Each to their own. Min. xxx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:48:27 +0930 From: "Minnie" To: , "Ellynne G." Subject: Re: [B7L]lost episodes: was: Animals Message-ID: <000201bfdda6$cf4b6e40$20ae3acb@marina> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> And Penny wrote: >> *Everything* was better than Stardrive, include the lost episodes Huh?? Ive missed something. What lost episodes???? /me sitting up with raised eyebrows. Cheers Min. xxx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:57:08 +0200 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: If we'd been there Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000624103215.00a85d60@pop3.wish.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:15 24-6-00, Helen Krummenacker wrote: > > And Steve, did you really have to ask Cally if you could see > > > how much hair she had under that dress? > > > > Umm.. .it was part of a scientific experiment I was doing on Aliens... > > honest! > > >"There is no logical reason why aliens should be hairy." So that's what you were up to, trying to prove Steve wrong. Vila did seem rather busy with bets on all kinds of things, and I'm sure that when he was encouraging Steve, it was for purely scientific reasons. I guess you were simply trying to prove them wrong. But I think Cally would have been more likely to go along if you hadn't dressed up as fourth season Avon. All that black leather and all those metal studs would have given anyone pause. I don't know what the others were up to, because I was kinda busy trying to convince Orac that "99 bottles of beer on the wall" was too a logical song and that it would all make sense if he sang it all the way to the end. I think the snotty little glowbox just didn't want us to find out that it couldn't carry a tune in a bucket. So what were the rest of you up to? I mean, we couldn't possibly have been kicked out for that bit of innocent fun we were having when we convinced the battle computer to play packman with the local asteroid belt. So fess up, guys. Anyone been snooping around in the strong room? I do seem to remember seeing Ellynne dressed up as Servalan sneaking away with Travis and a few mutoids. Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 07:39:43 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Message-ID: <20000624.073945.-122765.3.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:07:54 EST "Jessica Taylor" writes: > > Dana asked: > >(....who thinks Ultraworld is much, much worse than either > >Sarcophagus or Animals) > > What was wrong with Sarcophagus? Hey, it's one of my favorites. Good character interactions with some creepy undertones. What more could anyone want? I keep wondering if I'm missing > something > but I really enjoyed that episode. I admit it was a little > implausible If we're going for plausible, there are a lot of other episodes with bigger problems than this. but > it made sense and the scene with Vila doing magic tricks must make > up for > any other shortcomings (the a/c stuff was cute too). > Agreed. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 07:31:14 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Tynus aboard? Message-ID: <20000624.073945.-122765.1.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:12:26 -0700 Helen Krummenacker writes: > > Tynus (Killer - Avon's friend trying to stab Avon's Fearless > > Leader in the back. Yum) > > Oh, wow. What a possibility... Tynus is now the one talking about > how > easy to just fly off stranding Fearless Leader and anyone else > inconvienient... Avon's the one saying "Don't touch those controls". > And > trying desperately to justify everything logically. "We need to be > able > to trust the remaining crew, and for *that*, they need to think they > can > trust us. Give them one more hour to contact the ship. After that, > we > can say they are lost, and we must cut our losses." > Now, this is a tempting idea. Then there would be those scary days when these two actually _agreed_ on what they were going to do.... Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 07:36:12 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #172 Message-ID: <20000624.073945.-122765.2.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:36:27 -0700 Helen Krummenacker writes: > > Lurena from Star One. [Yes, you may groan but I like the character > :-)] > > She must be a skilled technician to be of use on Star One and she > doesn't > > scream when she finds those bodies. > > Actually, Marian, I'd agree. She also was aware soemthing was > terribly > wrong on Star One, and ready to confront the others to find out what > was > goig on. > It would be interesting to have someone who has been a Federation > Loyalist in a position on the Liberator. The big question is whether they'd find a way to overcome her programming or whether her programming, which was centered on Star One, wouldn't kick in of the Liberator, OR whether, having been programmed to protect the computers Blake & co. tried to defend and the Federation failed to protect, she might be forced to change sides. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 07:29:18 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: If we'd been there Message-ID: <20000624.073945.-122765.0.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > So what were the rest of you up to? [snip] So > fess > up, guys. Anyone been snooping around in the strong room? I do seem > to > remember seeing Ellynne dressed up as Servalan sneaking away with > Travis > and a few mutoids. > Uh, no offense, but if you saw that, you _really_ shouldn't have eaten the jell-o/jelly Vila offered you. I was just having a quiet chat with Cally about what films she thought were deep and meaningful. We were just saying how everybody _had_ to see the complete, unabridged Les Miserables (complete with a two hour documentary about the Paris sewers) and a few side comments on how they could make the Liberator look sunnier and more cheerful (I had some sunflower posters and smiley faces I'd be glad to loan her). It really went over well, since Blake and Avon immediately asked what I thought they should do with the teleport room, that being the first bit of the Liberator people see when they come on board. I was just looking around and making some suggestions when someone accidentally turned on the teleport. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:14:26 +0200 From: "Marian de Haan" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Lurena (was blakes7-d Digest V00 #172) Message-ID: <001001bfddee$e4e79380$46ef72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ellynne wrote re the possibility of Lurena joining the crew: >The big question is whether they'd find a way to overcome her programming or whether her programming, which was centered on Star One, wouldn't kick in of the Liberator, OR whether, having been programmed to protect the computers Blake & co. tried to defend and the Federation failed to protect, she might be forced to change sides.< I suppose that they could deprogram her with Orac's help, like they began on Blake in Voice from the Past. Now I wonder which crewmember Orac would recommend for the 'dual therapy'? :-) The reaction of the one chosen would be interesting. Cally, as alien, would probably be left out. I think Jenna would refuse outright. (Suffering for her Beloved Leader is one thing, but for a stranger... No way!) Blake would volunteer, but it's likely that all the tampering done with his mind would make him unsuitable. Vila would be unreliable, as he would start moaning and yelling for them to stop even before the therapy started. Which would leave Avon, who I can't see being that obliging, unless it appealed to his scientific curiosity. :-) Assuming, of course, that Blake and Jenna would still be there. What I meant when I first mentioned Lurena was that I would have liked to see her survive and join them for S3 instead of Dayna or Tarrant. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:20:09 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) Message-ID: <05be01bfddef$d066bf20$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Penny, > --Penny (hoping that agreeing with Neil just this once won't undermine my > hard-won Frivolous Pervert credentials) Ooh, I shouldn't think so ;) Una ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:25:42 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: "lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) Message-ID: <05c301bfddf0$7db35ee0$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Penny wrote: > At 02:09 PM 6/21/00 +0100, Una McCormack wrote: > > >PS Penny, your remark that you liked 'Animals' more than 'Stardrive' could > >well be the first step towards ending the holy Travis war... > > Hmm...a FINALACT/People For The Ethical Treatment of "Animals" alliance? > You'll replace the phrase "Cheap Cockney Imitation" with "Vastly Superior > Specimen" on your site, right, Penny, not even for you can I tell a lie. > and a renunciation of all your misguided > campaigning for GITHOG? I am at heart a campaigner for lost causes. > And you'll admit publically that Ralph Fiennes is > the only reasonable choice to play Avon in the six jillion dollar > big-screen B7 remake? I would do it, but I'm afraid I throw up when I say Ralph Feu-urgh... > And I'll put up some sexy pictures of Og on my site. Wild thing! You make > my heart sing! > > Oh wow man this is beautiful, I can practically taste the love in the air. That'll be the cordite. > Okay, now we just need a cute acronym so I can forget what it stands for. > And badges, of course. I'll meet you in the empty auditorium to finalize > the transaction. I'll only bring my genetically modified warrior creatures. Una ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:28:05 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Animals Message-ID: <05c801bfddf0$ce2230e0$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally wrote: > Do we *all* have Valium episodes (as apart from just plain ones we don't > like?) I recall Betty saying that a possible convert fell asleep during TWB > on her ... TWB is pretty slow... Umm, probably 'Pressure Point'. They all run across the grass, in turn. They all go down the blue corridor. Then the red corridor. Then the white corridor. It's quite possible we see them coming back, but I've usually given up by then. Una ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:45:12 EDT From: Tigerm1019@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Valium episodes (was Re: [B7L] Animals) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 06/24/2000 10:28:08 AM Central Daylight Time, una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk writes: > TWB is pretty slow... Umm, probably 'Pressure Point'. They all run across > the grass, in turn. They all go down the blue corridor. Then the red > corridor. Then the white corridor. It's quite possible we see them coming > back, but I've usually given up by then. I can see this, although Travis 2 can always keep my attention. The Way Back is slow in places, but it gave me a lot to think about, so I didn't get bored. Mission to Destiny was my sleep-through episode. ;-) Tiger M ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:43:49 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: If we'd been there Message-ID: <000201bfddf6$8d026160$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Helen Krummenacker > > And Steve, did you really have to ask Cally if you could see > > > how much hair she had under that dress? > > > > Umm.. .it was part of a scientific experiment I was doing on Aliens... > > honest! ASctuiallky tyhat was mwe. SDhe daid "YTouch me ansd I'lll nbreak alkl your finghers" bnut sdhe didnt souind tertrribly cvonvincinmg BNeil ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:12:05 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Animals Message-ID: <001401bfddf6$f47eb0a0$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Una McCormack > TWB is pretty slow... Umm, probably 'Pressure Point'. They all run across > the grass, in turn. They all go down the blue corridor. Then the red > corridor. Then the white corridor. It's quite possible we see them coming > back, but I've usually given up by then. What really pissed me off is they way they never went through the arched window. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:53:09 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: "lysator" Cc: "Freedom City" Subject: [B7L] Back from the conference Message-ID: <05e101bfddf4$51714640$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just got back from delivering a paper on the Q study at a conference in cultural studies in Birmingham. It's quite an important conference on the circuit, so I was fairly chuffed to get the paper accepted. I was even more chuffed when Henry Jenkins ('Textual Poachers' guy) turned up specially to hear it! Unfortunately, we'd had to shift round the order of papers slightly and I'd already spoken, but this ended up working in my favour as 1. I was already nervous enough thank you very much; and, 2. it meant he came to speak to me afterwards and asked for a copy of the paper, so email addresses were exchanged As a result of the paper, I also made contact with some academics working on TVSF in the UK, and one of them invited me to give a paper at a panel he's doing on 'The Creations of Terry Nation'. Woo hoo! I'm going to argue that B7 was a Chris Boucher creation rather than a Terry Nation one, and I throw that one over to you all for closer scrutiny! Can I thank everyone again for contributing to the study, and then debating the results with me? I had a brilliant evening last night, and it's because of all the people round here. Cheers, chaps! Una ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:21:41 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons (OK, it's mostly about Jarriere) Message-ID: <200006241321_MC2-AA05-821A@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Judith asked >Of all the people whom they met on their travels, >who would you most like to have joined the crew? Apart from Jarriere, you mean? Hm. Tempting to go for my favourite characters, but Rontane as a crew member is just a bit hard to swallow. Kasabi is one of my heroines, but I'm not sure how it would work out on the ship - either she'd get on too well with Blake, and all the non-rebels would be squeezed out, or Blake would suddenly find working with another charismatic rebel leader quite awkward, which could lead to some interesting conflict. I can just about see Par fitting in, if he'd been thrown out of the Federation - lots of interest in crew learning to overcome their distrust. Toise would be a hilarious addition if he could keep his carnival headdress. Useful recruits: a ship's doctor, freeing Cally and/or Gan to do something else. Three suggestions: Bellfriar (extra bonus: older, wiser head); Docholli (older, not necessarily wiser, but a drinking crony for Vila); Franton (seemed a sensible person, and even though she didn't seem to be telepathic would help Cally to feel less homesick). Or a diplomat, to help in negotiations with other planets: the adorable Max of Teal. One of the most interesting possibilities would be take up Travis's suggestion from Hostage that he should work with the rebels, and to spend the rest of the series trying to work out whether he's lying or not. Except it would be rather a short series if he is. If it's fourth season, I want Pella, with similar doubts about her loyalties. Somebody round here (could it have been Betty?) once had the rather wonderful idea of putting DS9's Garak on the Liberator. Whoever it was, get on and write the story... Topic 2: About Jarriere models. I'd be prepared to commit to one fully assembled, Kelvin-painted Jarriere plus two in bits and pieces if that meant they got commissioned. Also Servalan, preferably in Gambit dress to go with Jarriere, if anyone else is interested. I'd probably be interested any first/second season crew (will there be an Orac?) eventually, but all at once might be a bit pricy. So if anyone's looking for someone to make a fifth order, let me know. Topic 3: Dangerous Liaisons update: I've now fast-forwarded through Ellie's video to check out Harry Jones's appearance. It's about 20 minutes into the film (a bit less allowing for the stuff at the start of the video) and he's on screen for half a minute. Scenario: Valmont, learning that he is being followed by la Presidente de Tourvel's manservant, contrives to be seen in the village paying off the bailiffs who have arrived to seize the property of an honest peasant struck down by illness. He enters the hovel and finds M. Jarriere, I mean M. Armand, an old man with lank white hair and an oddly familiar nose, sitting on a bed. Dialogue is something like this: VALMONT: You don't know me... ARMAND (in oddly familiar Scottish accent): Oh, of course I do, Vicomte... VALMONT: No, don't get up... ARMAND: I have to, they're going to take the bed... VALMONT: They're not taking anything! He strolls out, while Armand, his wife and children gambol round kissing his hands. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 14:03:36 EDT From: Tigerm1019@aol.com To: freedom-city@blakes-7.org CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Marion McChesney funeral info Message-ID: <2b.7788f45.268651f8@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been given permission to pass this along. The e-mails sent to Martha are being collected to give to Marion's family. > Forwarded with permission: > > << Marion McChesney's funeral will be at 11:00 a.m. on Monday at Govans > Presbyterian Church in Baltimore. The address is 5824 York Rd. (for those > who know Baltimore, it's next to the famous Senator Theatre.) Following the > > funeral, there will be a chance for people to visit and reminisce in the > church's hall. > > Again, viewing times are 3-5 p.m. and 7-9 p.m. at Sterling Ashton Schwab > Funeral Home at 736 Edmonson Ave, Catonsville, MD 21228. The phone number > for the funeral home is: 410-747-5324. > > Marion's sister recommends that if you'd like to use a particular florist, > call Gabrielle's at 410-879-5820, as they are a florist the family has used > for many years. > > Martha >> > > > Merricat Tiger M -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #173 **************************************