From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #176 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/176 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 176 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons (OK, it's mostly about Jarriere) Re: [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons (OK, it's mostly about Jarriere) [B7L] Nexus Women we like [was Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)] Re: [B7L] Interesting food Re: Women we like [was Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)] Re: [B7L] Interesting food Fwd: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Re: [B7L] Re: Liberator crew size Fwd: Re: [B7L] crew Re: [B7L] Gauda Prime Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond Re: [B7L] Re: Stuart Jones (was Crew, Models and Liaisons) Re: Traves [Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #168] Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Re: [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons (OK, it's mostly about Jarriere) Re: [B7L] crew Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond Re: Women we like [was Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)] Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Re: [B7L] Greco-Roman comedy (back on topic?) Re: [B7L] Re: Stuart Jones (was Crew, Models and Liaisons) [B7L] Fav episodes.. was (Sarrcophagus) Re: [B7L] Re: Liberator crew size Re: Women we like [was Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)] Re: [B7L] Animals RE: [B7L] Fav episodes.. was (Sarrcophagus) Re: [B7L] Fav episodes Re: [B7L] Greco-Roman comedy (back on topic?) Re: [B7L] Interesting food [B7L] Travis Dons White Hat? (was Re: crew) Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond Re: [B7L] Travis Dons White Hat? (was Re: crew) Re: [B7L] crew Re: [B7L] Posting fanfic? [B7L] Re: Traves ------------------------------ Date: Mon Jun 26 20:26:39 BST 2000 From: Ika To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons (OK, it's mostly about Jarriere) Message-Id: <200006261931.UAA32207@ns4.uk2net.com> > > >>Harriet wrote: > > >Somebody round here (could it have been Betty?) once had the rather > >wonderful idea of putting DS9's Garak on the Liberator. Whoever it was, > >get on and write the story... > Minnie: > > God thats scary. I was wondering if anyone had thought of this. :) > Shall I joint the queue to read this. > I just want to say that my life's work is to convince Blake et al. that the Liberator needs Stuart Jones (from Queer as Folk - C4 series from a couple of years ago - especially the second season) (Has this gone overseas yet, btw?) Love, Ika ---------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using http://uk2.net UK's FREE Domains, FREE Dialup, FREE Webdesign, FREE email ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:39:30 -0400 From: "Christine+Steve" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons (OK, it's mostly about Jarriere) Message-ID: <00b301bfdfa6$41394260$f9089ad8@cgorman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ika asked :> > > I just want to say that my life's work is to convince Blake et al. that the > Liberator needs Stuart Jones (from Queer as Folk - C4 series from a couple of > years ago - especially the second season) (Has this gone overseas yet, btw?) > It was recently shown in the North America - about 3 or 4 weeks ago I think. I remember seeing it when I lived in the UK... which character was he? There was quite a lot of apprehension about showing it in the States... the exec's didnt know whether the viewers were ready for this sort of TV! C4 is pretty liberated compared to the North American TV stations. Steve Dobson. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:46:37 +0100 From: Steve Rogerson To: B7newonelist , Couro Prido , Lysator , Freedom City Subject: [B7L] Nexus Message-ID: <3957B2E8.B3E32556@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, Nexus starts a week on Friday; hands up who's going. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption: The Blake's 7 and Babylon 5 convention 23-25 February 2001, Ashford, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption ------------------------------ Date: Mon Jun 26 20:41:58 BST 2000 From: Ika To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Women we like [was Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)] Message-Id: <200006261947.UAA32355@ns4.uk2net.com> > Sally tried to find some common female ground: [and Ika snipped it] Harriet: > Oh, OK. We agree on Kasabi, Alta Morag, and Piri. And Jenna on a good > day. And Rashel and Chenie. Maja's OK, but we don't see her quite long > enough for me to have much of an opinion. Ditto times several for Levett > (I keep watching Mission for Destiny trying to understand the cult of > Levett, but can't quite get it). > I was surprised to see there was a cult of Levett - I am very much in love with her, but that's because her voice and manner are uncannily like a tutor I once had called Barbara Levick (do you see?), who ... well, if she and Avon weighed the same and were on the shuttle with me in 'Orbit', I'd find it a hard decision to make. (Though I guess I'd gamble on the probability that computer skills were going to be more likely to save my hide than an in-depth understanding of Roman history.) Love, Ika (who would put Kasabi, Jenna and Chenie at the top of the list. After Major Thania, but I'm aware that's just the boots.) ---------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using http://uk2.net UK's FREE Domains, FREE Dialup, FREE Webdesign, FREE email ------------------------------ Date: Mon Jun 26 20:43:58 BST 2000 From: Ika To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Interesting food Message-Id: <200006261949.UAA32366@ns4.uk2net.com> > ----- > Joanne retorted: > >>Have you tried marmite on chocolate cake? > > > > So in how many months' > >time does the happy event take place? Harriet: > > It was my brother's idea, actually, about 30 years ago. Most of my good > ideas (like watching Blake's 7, for instance) originally came from him. > Strangely, my Blake's 7-introducing-person also (about ten years previous to B7) introduced me to the joy of one square of Galaxy Caramel chocolate eaten in the same mouthful as 3 Space Invaders pickled-onion flavour crisps. This also works with Monster Munch, but not as well. Love, Ika ---------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using http://uk2.net UK's FREE Domains, FREE Dialup, FREE Webdesign, FREE email ------------------------------ Date: Mon Jun 26 20:47:35 BST 2000 From: Ika To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: Women we like [was Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)] Message-Id: <200006261952.UAA32404@ns4.uk2net.com> Sally: > After I wrote (among other things :-): > Avon Suffering (no matter how Beautifully) for Piri ...> > > Harriet answered: > > > Of course, mentally combining this with the thread on guests joining the > crew has given me the joyously awful mental picture of Piri (presumably > *not* turning into a villanous cliche, but staying the original cliched > helpless heroine) on Xenon Base. Oh Avon, the pain, the pain ... > OTOH, of course, Tarrant would be so happy about it that he might stay in his quarters (out of Avon's way) for a few days/weeks/whatever, so it might end up being to Avon's advantage if she showed up... Love, Ika ---------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using http://uk2.net UK's FREE Domains, FREE Dialup, FREE Webdesign, FREE email ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:52:49 -0400 From: "Christine+Steve" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Interesting food Message-ID: <00f701bfdfa8$1d33d860$f9089ad8@cgorman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ika wrote : > Strangely, my Blake's 7-introducing-person also (about ten years previous to > B7) introduced me to the joy of one square of Galaxy Caramel chocolate eaten in > the same mouthful as 3 Space Invaders pickled-onion flavour crisps. This also > works with Monster Munch, but not as well. > Mmmmm... Monster Munch....! Big problem with Canada... I love the place, but the choice of snacks is pitiful! No Wotsits, no Twiglets and no Monster Munch! *Sigh* Hope my parents send me the snack pack I requested from the UK! Steve Dobson. ------------------------------ Date: Mon Jun 26 20:52:57 BST 2000 From: Ika To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Fwd: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Message-Id: <200006261958.UAA32477@ns4.uk2net.com> > ----- > Marian wrote: > >I love the way he tricks Mori when he > > so innocently starts giving instructions to Zen and when he's shot he > > suffers so beautifully. (Sorry, Neil, I couldn't resist.) Neil: > > Yes you bloody well could. You just didn't bother. > > I thought Volcano was pretty crap, mainly because it was written by Allan > Prior. But... but... Allan Prior is Maddy Prior's father!! And Maddy Prior was in Steeleye Span!! > > Sarcophagus, OTOH, is the top bollocks. Do you mean "dog's"? I've only heard "top bollocks" as meaning "breasts". (Hey, I can be pedantic even over colloquialisms.) > > Neil (who still rates Dawn of the Gods as all-time worst episode, worse even > than Animals) Do you know, I'd forgotten about DotG. I think I blanked it out. I have to agree with you there. Although I do love it for Tarrant's reaction to seeing a pencil. Love, Ika ---------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using http://uk2.net UK's FREE Domains, FREE Dialup, FREE Webdesign, FREE email ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:54:35 -0400 From: "Christine+Steve" To: "B7 Mailing List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Liberator crew size Message-ID: <00f801bfdfa8$5bbbd740$f9089ad8@cgorman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gnog added > And I'm with Helen. There are just to many corridors etc for the ship to > only need to carry five people. Something more like Scorpio would have done > for five people. Heck, look at the size of pursuit ships, they took three. > It was just an impression I always had, that the ship was run bang on the > minimum crew. Maybe the extra passengers were not needed to "fly" the ship, > but carry out other roles. It might even have served as a cruise ship, it > might have been equipped for planetary assault, but there appeared to be > tons of space, and you don't transport all that extra air for nothing. I would think they would need a shift system for manning the flight deck. Remember how exhausted the crew got after running the ship on their own. There should be teams... all they could manage was one person manning the flight controls while the others slept. Not really the best way to proceed - if anything happens all the crew have to come running. Steve Dobson. ------------------------------ Date: Mon Jun 26 20:58:21 BST 2000 From: Ika To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Fwd: Re: [B7L] crew Message-Id: <200006262003.VAA32603@ns4.uk2net.com> Me: > > In the end I'm going to have to go for Major Thania (Trial) - the only > character > Fiona: > Really?!? I mean, she's a babe and all, but she's *such* an incredible ditz. > Mind you, that could make for some funny situations. "What do you mean, you > let this horde of evil mercenaries on board Liberator?" "Well, they told me > they were innocent travelling salesmen, and I believed them, naturally." > Hmmm. May have to rewatch Trial and actually *listen* to what comes out of her lovely mouth, but I never really saw her as a ditz - partly because I still can't work out what exactly is going on in Trial (too much intrigue pour moi). I find her fascinating as a kind of female Travis/Par character (the only female spear-carrier we get, I think?) which really gives a lot of edge to her interactions with Servalan for me. (line from fanfic-in-progress: "Thania had major Servalan crush - recognized ailment in Space Command") More humour would probably come when she reached the Liberator from her interaction with Blake, who doesn't like Federation lawyers much. Love, Ika ---------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using http://uk2.net UK's FREE Domains, FREE Dialup, FREE Webdesign, FREE email ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:43:43 +0100 From: "Nyder" To: "Una McCormack" , Subject: Re: [B7L] Gauda Prime Message-ID: <000601bfdf96$9d299620$45ca28c3@stx.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Una McCormack To: Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [B7L] Gauda Prime > Fiona wrote: > > > > Avon escaped! > > > > > http://www.europa.com/~bobvin/Alive.html > > > > > > > Two words: > > > > CAPTION THIS > > 'It was meant to be a *penalty* shootout...' "And for the last time, I did NOT take any money from Hansie Cronje!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:13:45 +0100 From: "Andrew Ellis" To: "Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond Message-ID: <002a01bfe13d$5f625e00$5141073e@leanet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Minnie ........> >Would Blakes new rebellion have been better/worse than the federation. He >knew who these people are, and what they did. We know this too after he's >spoken to Arlen and says something along the lines of ".......after all the >killing you've done". Is he so desperate that he will take anyone?? And what if he had won the "old" rebellion. An idealist president willing to deal with drug dealer to get what he wants, an egotistical money grabbing chief scientific advisor, a culture secretary who enjoys his work to much, an alien affairs minister to ready to listen / be taken over, and a pirate for supreme commander of space command and an uncontrollable central control computer. I feel a game of spot the difference coming on !! What to do if Blake actually wins is a very tricky question. Blake needs to convince himself that what he is trying to overthrow is SOOOOO bad that replacing it with something would actually result in change for the better. Perhaps it was a cultural thing. Self rule over central rule. Free trade over managed distribution. Entrepenuership over regulation. Small armies beating each other up over large armies beating the people up. But I'm not going to give away to many things until I finish this whole "Evil Federation ?" thing. Gnog ------------------------------ Date: Mon Jun 26 21:19:04 BST 2000 From: Ika To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Stuart Jones (was Crew, Models and Liaisons) Message-Id: <200006262024.VAA00142@ns4.uk2net.com> Me: > > > I just want to say that my life's work is to convince Blake et al. that > the > > Liberator needs Stuart Jones (from Queer as Folk - C4 series from a couple > of > > years ago - especially the second season) (Has this gone overseas yet, > btw?) Steve: > > > It was recently shown in the North America - about 3 or 4 weeks ago I think. > I remember seeing it when I lived in the UK... which character was he? > There was quite a lot of apprehension about showing it in the States... the > exec's didnt know whether the viewers were ready for this sort of TV! C4 is > pretty liberated compared to the North American TV stations. > Did you see the second season? because that's the bit where it becomes clear that the Liberator Needs Stuart Jones, and I don't want to spoil it in case you get the chance to see it... I think I can say that he ends up as a bit of a freedom fighter himself, in a way. Stuart Jones is the curly-haired one (of course), the old promiscuous one that the Dr Who fan (Vince) is in love with but never gets anywhere with, & who sleeps with Nathan (the schoolboy) in the first episode. I am surprised it made it to the States, to be honest, particularly after what happened to "Ellen". How was it received? Love, Ika ---------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using http://uk2.net UK's FREE Domains, FREE Dialup, FREE Webdesign, FREE email ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:29:08 +0100 From: "Nyder" To: "Harriet Monkhouse" <101637.2064@compuserve.com>, Subject: Re: Traves [Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #168] Message-ID: <000301bfdf96$9a163ba0$45ca28c3@stx.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 11:53 PM Subject: Traves [Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #168] > Fiona explained: > > Traves (assuming the noun is declined as third-gender > >regular, eg: canis, canes [that's "dog" for those of you > > who didn't have to take Latin at school]) > > At last! At last! Someone who can decline correctly! I've been trying to > sell this plural for years (though my analogy was "gravis"). Many people would say that I have declined considerably of late... Oh, and it suddenly occurs to me that following it through logically, the phrase "of Travises" should be rendered "Travibus." Hmmm... Fiona Fiona Moore http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:21:55 +0100 From: "Nyder" To: "Julia Jones" , Cc: Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Message-ID: <000201bfdf96$98942f80$45ca28c3@stx.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Julia Jones To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) > In message <20000625112645.14663.qmail@hotmail.com>, Sally Manton > writes > >It is a pity the writer of Sarcophagus doesn't seem to have taken much interest > >in the back-stories, however. > > An interesting comment, since this is one episode script that counts as > fanfic. Tanith Lee was already a big fan of the series when she was > asked to write a script for it. Which makes it all the more surprising that most of the crew are so out of character, then. Fiona Fiona Moore http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:48:48 +0100 From: "Nyder" To: "Harriet Monkhouse" <101637.2064@compuserve.com>, "Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons (OK, it's mostly about Jarriere) Message-ID: <000801bfdf96$9ed4d520$45ca28c3@stx.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 6:21 PM Subject: [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons (OK, it's mostly about Jarriere) > Judith asked > >Of all the people whom they met on their travels, > >who would you most like to have joined the crew? > > Apart from Jarriere, you mean? Hm. Tempting to go for my favourite > characters, but Rontane as a crew member is just a bit hard to swallow. He'd just insist on bringing along Bercol. Although the thought of them engaging in their usual Statler-and-Waldorf commentary from the Liberator flight deck is an entertaining thought. Fiona (PS: stay tuned for: "The Posthumous and Hastily Suppressed Memoirs of Secretary Rontane." Coming soon to a parody writer [and possibly website] near you...) Fiona Moore http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:46:07 +0100 From: "Nyder" To: , "Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] crew Message-ID: <000701bfdf96$9df300a0$45ca28c3@stx.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Borg To: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [B7L] crew > --- Sally Manton wrote: > > Judith asked: > > > most like > > to have joined the crew?> > > > > Ummm ... must we stick to people Our Heroes actually met long > > enough to > > extend the invitation? > > How about Travis? Post Trial of course. First time I saw "Gambit," I really, really, thought he would for a minute there. I mean, it is the sort of twisted thing B7 might do, since one's never sure who's the hero and who's the villain at any given time, and Travis had been getting steadily more sympathetic for some time. Mind you, I wondered if Kasabi's daughter was going to join for a minute there, on the grounds that if they were going to replace Gan, it would have been fairly shortly after he died. Small mercies, I suppose. Fiona Fiona Moore http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:37:12 +0100 From: "Nyder" To: "Minnie" , "Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond Message-ID: <000401bfdf96$9b42d4c0$45ca28c3@stx.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Minnie To: Lysator Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 5:40 AM Subject: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond > You may have discussed this before, but Ive been thinking recently (it does > happen occasionally )what happened to blake before the final episode and > what might have happened afterward if Avon hadnt airated his vest.??? > > My worry/thoughts where this. Blake had taken to recruting ruffians, > murderers and possibly rapists and the like, what would this have meant to > the resistance movement?? I'm not sure if it *would* have meant an awful lot. I mean, his initial recruitment pick included a smuggler (and exactly *what* was she smuggling? Guns? Drugs? Pornography?), a petty thief, a large-scale thief, at least one convicted murderer, and a professional terrorist. Later, Avon adds to that a traitor and ex-mercenary, a non-ex mercenary, and a young woman whose main hobby seems to be constructing explosive devices (Dayna as Ace avant-la-lettre? Discuss). Any resistance movement tends to attract people who are not terribly savoury, just cos they're the ones with the skills to do that sort of thing. Look at Ireland. But to address the question in another way, I think Blake as a resistance leader was well finished before Gauda. I think the business with Deva was, well, "Death throes, nothing more" (to use a possibly inappropriate quotation). Fiona Fiona Moore http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:57:59 +0100 From: "Nyder" To: "Harriet Monkhouse" <101637.2064@compuserve.com>, "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" Subject: Re: Women we like [was Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)] Message-ID: <000901bfdf96$9fc77280$45ca28c3@stx.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: Blake's 7 (Lysator) Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 12:36 PM Subject: Women we like [was Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)] > Sally tried to find some common female ground: > > Though I think we agree on how wonderful Kasabi is, don't we? > > > >I do love Jenna and Soolin, and of the guests love Levett, > >Rashel, and Giroc, and like Maja (TWB), Sinofar (Duel), > >Chenie (Gambit), Vena (Headhunter) and Verlis (Assassin - > >and I've probably forgotten some, sorry). Come on Harriet, > >there must be *someone* there you like. And while 'like' > >may not quite be the right word, I think the best villain in the > >entire series is Alta Morag (the 'banality of evil', indeed. She > >gives me the creeps, for all the right reasons). > > > >Anna *could* be worse. She could have been Piri-ish. I could > >*never* take Avon Suffering (no matter how Beautifully) for Piri ... > > Oh, OK. We agree on Kasabi, Alta Morag, and Piri. And Jenna on a good > day. And Rashel and Chenie. Maja's OK, but we don't see her quite long > enough for me to have much of an opinion. Ditto times several for Levett > (I keep watching Mission for Destiny trying to understand the cult of > Levett, but can't quite get it). Regulars: Servalan, Jenna and Cally in that order. Others: I do like Kasabi, and I like Levett (yes, me too-- as to why, it's cos she takes no s*** from anyone; I love the way she puts down what's-his-name at the beginning);Thania (I called her a ditz earlier and I stand by that, but I still like the character. Other than Servalan, she's the only top-brass female officer we see). I like Piri but only once she stops being Piri. Also Rashel, and the Clonemaster. Women we hate: Inga, Sara, and that silly bird in "Power" whose name doesn't leap to mind (e-mailing at work, shamelessly). And Piri while she's being Piri. Fiona Fiona Moore http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:11:36 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Message-ID: <20000626211136.92769.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Neil wrote: True, true. But even two good moments can make the difference when deciding which dud is the dud-iest (for me it's still Stardrive). Okay - to throw a bit of taffy into the discussion - let's go the other way. What are your favourite (or what you think are the best) episodes? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:11:26 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Message-ID: <20000626211126.78257.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Neil wrote: True, true. But even two good moments can make the difference when deciding which dud id the dud-iest (for me it's still Stardrive). Okay - to throw a bit of taffy into the discussion - let's go the other way. What are your favourite (or what you think are the best) episodes? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:19:09 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Message-ID: <20000626211909.51645.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed After I wrote: Wendy answered: Exactly. And *that's* another reason why, though I like Sarcophagus a lot, it isn't one of my top favourites (besides the ghosties and ghoulies plot). ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:22:04 +0100 From: "Alison Page" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Greco-Roman comedy (back on topic?) Message-ID: <020301bfdfb4$b6582300$ca8edec2@pre-installedco> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why do I always end up contributing to threads with titles like this? (don't answer) Neil - >I think, in hierarchy-subversion comedy, the sympathetically-portrayed >underdog serves the purposes of the ruling class. So - 'the people must be entertained'. But when it boils down to it, the subversive and the dangerous is just a bit more entertaining than the wholesome and constructive. Comedy kind of walks the line between being too boring and being too 'interesting' (ie getting banned) >He is not portrayed as an enemy of the status quo, rather an >observer, and ince his observations come from the bottom of the ladder, they >can be discounted as any advocation of meaningful change. But is wit a weapon you can disarm like a bomb? They might think it's safe, but is it? >Amazing what you think of in the shower... > Hmmm... I think you are teasing your fan club again Alison ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:17:26 -0400 From: "Christine+Steve" To: "B7 Mailing List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Stuart Jones (was Crew, Models and Liaisons) Message-ID: <005301bfdfbc$625449c0$cb219ad8@cgorman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ika replied > > > > > It was recently shown in the North America - about 3 or 4 weeks ago I think. > > I remember seeing it when I lived in the UK... which character was he? > > There was quite a lot of apprehension about showing it in the States... the > > exec's didnt know whether the viewers were ready for this sort of TV! C4 is > > pretty liberated compared to the North American TV stations. > > > Did you see the second season? because that's the bit where it becomes clear > that the Liberator Needs Stuart Jones, and I don't want to spoil it in case you > get the chance to see it... I think I can say that he ends up as a bit of a > freedom fighter himself, in a way. No, missed it, I'm afraid. Seemed to be a pretty good piece of drama. > Stuart Jones is the curly-haired one (of course), the old promiscuous one that > the Dr Who fan (Vince) is in love with but never gets anywhere with, & who > sleeps with Nathan (the schoolboy) in the first episode. Ahh, I know the one. Well... its been a while since I've seen the show, but I remember which one your talking about. > I am surprised it made it to the States, to be honest, particularly after what > happened to "Ellen". How was it received? I'm not sure, to be honest. Living in Canada, we get a lot of the US networks and independant shows... so get all the hype before hand. But little of the reaction afterwards. I remember the station was definatly concerned about the schoolboy part. Steve Dobson. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:20:10 -0400 From: "Christine+Steve" To: Subject: [B7L] Fav episodes.. was (Sarrcophagus) Message-ID: <005e01bfdfbc$c4cedc00$cb219ad8@cgorman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally Manton asked > Okay - to throw a bit of taffy into the discussion - let's go the other way. > What are your favourite (or what you think are the best) episodes? Difficult one. I tend to watch City the most I think, mainly cos of the obvious, its a big Vila episode. After that... probably Terminal. I enjoy watching Servalan pretend her plans have gone wrong, then turning the tables again. Steve Dobson. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:37:18 -0400 From: "Dana Shilling" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Liberator crew size Message-ID: <013701bfdfbf$334a05e0$1bae4e0c@dshilling> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Helen & Gnog on one side of the issue, Murray on the other: I agree with H&G that Liberator should have had a larger crew--there are damn few missions that can be effectively carried out with only six, much less with five, people--I particularly like the "Hostage" effect--"Gee, they must be in trouble, let's go down and see"--sort of like dropping all the cutlery in the kitchen down the sink in an effort to fish something out of the drain. Since they all had to sleep sometimes (and most of them eight hours a night) there should have been at least two or three shifts of seven people--one to stand watch, one to monitor the teleport, three to make planetfall directly into a bunch of guys with guns, and two to sneak up behind G w/g and rescue the other two. -(Y) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:53:24 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" Subject: Re: Women we like [was Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)] Message-ID: <03cf01bfdfc1$66ed8eb0$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fiona wrote: > I like Piri but only once she stops being Piri. Also > Rashel, and the Clonemaster. > > Women we hate: Inga, Sara, and that silly bird in "Power" whose name doesn't > leap to mind (e-mailing at work, shamelessly). And Piri while she's being > Piri. But when she's not being Piri she delivers the quite *awful* line: 'Oh Avon, and I thought you were supposed to be the cwever one.' Yukkety yuk. She really is absolutely the worst actor on the whole of B7. And I'm including the bloke in 'Warlord' who says, 'But words are only... words!' Una ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:50:35 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: "lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Animals Message-ID: <03cd01bfdfc1$660096a0$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ika wrote: > Una: > > > TWB is pretty slow... Umm, probably 'Pressure Point'. They all run across > > the grass, in turn. They all go down the blue corridor. Then the red > > corridor. Then the white corridor. It's quite possible we see them coming > > back, but I've usually given up by then. > > > > I'm sure I've said this before, but I will keep saying it until I get my way > (hey, it worked for Blake) - > > Servalan wears a hat in Pressure Point. > > Therefore, it is a brilliant episode. > > The logic of this is surely unassailable. You are, of course, completely and totally right. Una ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:53:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "rita d'orac" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: RE: [B7L] Fav episodes.. was (Sarrcophagus) Message-ID: <384755500.962060017360.JavaMail.root@web302-mc.mail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally Manton asked > Okay - to throw a bit of taffy into the discussion - let's go the other way. > What are your favourite (or what you think are the best) episodes? I watch "rescue" the most - all those studs & leather... not to mention the "hip deep" quote... rita d'orac "If you think of this mouse as a space captain..." http://www.vilaworld.com ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 00:07:25 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Fav episodes Message-ID: <03d601bfdfc3$5097b6c0$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally asked: > Okay - to throw a bit of taffy into the discussion - let's go the other way. > What are your favourite (or what you think are the best) episodes? Cue TOTP theme... In reverse order: 5. 'Sarcophagus': it's what started it all in 1980. That scene with Cally and Avon! 'Demonstrably.' 4. 'Deathwatch': 'Teal Star, Teal Star...' Everybody does something *and in character*!!! 3. 'City at the Edge of the World': because Michael Keating is dead good throughout and very funny indeed. And: '"Babe," she said... She used to call me "Babe"...' etc. 2. 'Rumours of Death': say what you like, hard-hearted ones, it's magic. 'Some days are better than others...' 1. 'Blake': the utter utter king of rock and roll. Oh no, that was John Craven. Of course 'Blake' is the best episode of B7. Can anyone *really* claim otherwise? 'He's sold us, Avon, all of us. Even you.' Honourable mentions: 'The Way Back' - it's corking stuff. And 'Animals' - because. Hmm, I fancy watching some B7 now. Una ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 00:09:32 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Greco-Roman comedy (back on topic?) Message-ID: <03e401bfdfc3$989bfe40$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil wrote: > Amazing what you think of in the shower... Swoon. Una ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:09:20 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Interesting food Message-ID: <20000626230920.85594.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >Harriet: > > It was my brother's idea, actually, about 30 years ago. Most of my good > > ideas (like watching Blake's 7, for instance) originally came from him. My brother also, though he doesn't remember doing so, had the idea that I should watch B7. No interesting food ideas have sprung from him, unless you count the fact that it is possible to smell chocolate several rooms away, even when heavily disguised (I don't know what he keeps up those nostrils that does it). Regards Joanne ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 17:17:19 -0600 From: Penny Dreadful To: "Lysator" Subject: [B7L] Travis Dons White Hat? (was Re: crew) Message-Id: <4.1.20000626161541.0092e330@mail.powersurfr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:46 AM 6/26/00 +0100, Nyder wrote: >First time I saw "Gambit," I really, really, thought he would for a minute >there. I mean, it is the sort of twisted thing B7 might do, since one's >never sure who's the hero and who's the villain at any given time, and >Travis had been getting steadily more sympathetic for some time. "...on the other hand..." My first reaction was "No way, Jose!"...but then I think about "Hostage" and how unbelievably open (considering the circumstances) Blake seemed to the concept of co-operating with Travis. If Travis had actually been prepared to negotiate at that point (I think he was just jerking Blake's chain), I can see Blake taking Travis onboard. Sure Travis has killed scads of Blake's personal friends and acquaintances in addition to oodles of strangers -- but Blake remembers being brainwashed, remembers the nasty stuff he did on the Federation's behalf while under their influence. Maybe he'd have given Travis the benefit of the doubt (I'm not saying *I* think that would be a wise choice, I'm just saying maybe he would). Certainly it would be a swell PR coup if nothing else. By "Gambit"...you know I still can't say absolutely for certain it could never happen. Discuss! -- For A Dread Time, Call Penny: http://members.tripod.com/~Penny_Dreadful/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:15:40 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond Message-ID: <20000626231540.89140.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Nyder" >a young woman whose main >hobby seems to be constructing explosive devices (Dayna as Ace >avant-la-lettre? Discuss). No, really - since when were Dayna's parts in each episode along the lines of "neurosis of the week"? That's my stumbling block in the comparison. Regards Joanne ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 19:52:06 EDT From: B7Morrigan@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis Dons White Hat? (was Re: crew) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Penny: > My first reaction was "No way, Jose!"...but then I think about "Hostage" > and how unbelievably open (considering the circumstances) Blake seemed to > the concept of co-operating with Travis. If Travis had actually been > prepared to negotiate at that point (I think he was just jerking Blake's > chain), I can see Blake taking Travis onboard. Sounds like an interesting fanfic plot...do go on, Penny Trish "I don't mind rough. It's fatal I'm not too keen on. " ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:55:06 PDT From: "Jason de Rooy" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] crew Message-ID: <20000626235506.9451.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Wendy S. Penberriss" >In order: > >Docholli >Kerril (why hasn't anyone else nominated her?) >Dayna's sister >Travis >Kara >Ensor (come on, he could have made it...) >Neebrox Let me put my vote in for a living Ensor too. In fact, I'd rather have Ensor than Orac. Imagine Ensor down in a lab in the bowels of the ship, refusing regularly to help the crew, and complaining over the intercom every time the ship gets bumped about in battle. jason __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:09:38 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: Re: [B7L] Posting fanfic? Message-ID: <200006262009_MC2-AA3C-6167@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kathryn told Ariana: >I don't think anyone would mind, though not everyone > would read it. (I satisfied my curiosity about the new > Randall & Hopkirk earlier this year, and a crossover > with it doesn't appeal to *me*. Others may differ, and >leap up with enthusiasm, so don't let anything stop you.) I tried the new Randall and Hopkirk, and couldn't really see the point - severe absence of Mike Pratt (Deceased) - but I have been reading Ariana's crossover with pleasure, especially the punchline in Part IV. We have had fiction here, and I now can't quite remember whether the Flat Robin ever finished? Probably it did, I just don't remember exactly how. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 17:10:56 PDT From: "Jason de Rooy" To: nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net, 101637.2064@compuserve.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Traves Message-ID: <20000627001056.65875.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed " > Fiona explained: > > Traves (assuming the noun is declined as third-gender > >regular, eg: canis, canes [that's "dog" for those of you > > who didn't have to take Latin at school]) > > At last! At last! Someone who can decline correctly! I've been >trying to sell this plural for years (though my analogy was >"gravis"). Fiona replied: Many people would say that I have declined considerably of late... Oh, and it suddenly occurs to me that following it through logically, the phrase "of Travises" should be rendered "Travibus." Hmmm..." This got me thinking about the existance of more Travises/Travii/ Traves. If 'da man' had somehow survived 'Star One', I wonder if they would have gotten a new actor, who it'd have been, and where the character would have gone from there? Of course, he'd have to change again from S3 to S4, but by then he may have been revealed as a Time Lord. jason Fiona Moore http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #176 **************************************