From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #198 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/198 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 198 Today's Topics: Re: Bleeding onto the page (was Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock) Re: [B7L] Re: posts on Shrinker & treatment thereof. [B7L] Re:Wobblevision at Nexus Re: [B7L] Stock equalization Re: [B7L] Stock equalization Re: [B7L] Horizon Re: [B7L] Stock equalization Re: [B7L] Horizon [B7L] Re. Zenith and Sally Knyvette Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette Re: [B7L] Horizon Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette [B7L] Revolutions past Re: [B7L] Revolutions past [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #195 [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #196 Re: [B7L] Revolutions past Re: [B7L] Revolutions past Re: [B7L] Revolutions past Re: [B7L] Re:Wobblevision at Nexus [B7L] Winspit quarry trip [B7L] new caption picture Re: [B7L] Revolutions past Re: [B7L] Revolutions past Re: [B7L] Revolutions past Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette Re: Bleeding onto the page (was Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock) Re: [B7L] Bleeding onto the page Re: Bleeding onto the page (was Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock) Re: Bleeding onto the page (was Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock) Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette Re: [B7L] Revolutions past Re: [B7L] Revolutions past [B7L] Watch out Mr Faulkner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:04:34 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: Bleeding onto the page (was Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock) Message-ID: <20000711220434.B19230@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 12:02:24AM -0700, mistral@ptinet.net wrote: > > 'Twould be interesting to compare people's working styles. > Quick or slow? Considering that I've probably written about 15 stories in 15 years, I don't think I'm quick. But I'm getting quicker - or maybe it's that deadlines do amazing things for productivity: my first Lyric Wheel story was basically done over a weekend. > Multiple drafts or one plus tweaking? That depends. I usually tweak while I'm writing, then when I actually manage to get to the end, let it rest a bit, and then tweak some more. With or without beta-readers. What usually happens is that whenever I come to start a writing session, I re-read what I have so far, and tweak that, then then go on from there. So the start of a story always ends up getting more attention than the end. Sometimes things do get more than tweaking done to them. The worst case was The Butterfly Effect 2, where I had to rip it up and start over completely at least twice. What I ended up with bore no resemblance to what I started with. A not-so-bad case was a more recent story where I re-arranged the order of some scenes - I had originally been writing it alternating scenes with the two main characters, but changed it so that there was a whole sequence for one character, and then it went back to the start of the day and showed what had happened to the other character. Got more suspense that way. I ended up having to write a few more scenes for one of the characters, to fill in some gaps. > Beginning to end, or jumping around? Both. I start writing "properly" from the first scene, but I will jot down ideas, dialogue and scene-snippets for further on in the story as they occur to me. *Never* get in the way of the Muse. Write it down! Dialogue is usually what occurs to me first. I have an entire file of snippets for The Butterfly Effect 2 that I never used, but are too good to throw away... > Outline or not? Well... no, not really. Sort of. I have goals. I have ideas of where the story is going. But I don't sit down and write a scene-by-scene outline before I actually write anything else. Even though some schools of writing declare that Thou Shalt Write An Outline. I find that a bit... dogmatic, myself. Actually, now that I think of it, I *did* write an outline for one story. Good story, too. But I can't actually remember whether I'd started the actual writing before I started writing scene-goals for the rest of the story. For that one, I did jump around, because certain scenes didn't actually depend on other scenes. The problem with jumping around is that you lose the flow, the continuity, from one scene to the next. Not necessarily continuity of plot, but continuity of... tone? The feel? The mood? Dunno. > Know the end when starting, or not? Absolutely. Can't write a story unless I have an end in mind. Without that, it's just half an idea, which will be written down to be worked on at some future date, when it has germinated. The possible exceptions to this would be (a) a section of Round Robin where I don't know what the end is going to be anyway, and (b) a song-fic, where I'm trying to capture a mood, and so may start the story without actually knowing where it's going. > Long obsessive sessions, or an hour a day? Anybody? Scribble in a notebook in the bus. Type it up when I get home. Print out the current draft. Scribble edits on printout. Repeat. I also I sit and edit and compose in front of the computer. Long obessive sessions when I'm on a roll, on a weekend. Particularly for song-fic or poetry, where I'm trying to get a mood. Play the song over and over and over and over... No way am I disciplined enough to do an hour a day. I generally only work on one story at a time, though I may put a story aside for a while and then come back to it. Kathryn Andersen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Avon: When we first met, you said there was no pleasure without danger. Do you still feel that way? Dayna: I think I can do without excitement for a little while. (Blake's 7: Aftermath [C01]) -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://www.foobox.net/~kat \_.--.*/ | http://jove.prohosting.com/~rubykat v | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:11:48 -0400 From: "Dana Shilling" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: posts on Shrinker & treatment thereof. Message-ID: <01dc01bfeb54$5dd23260$df694e0c@dshilling> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gnog said: > Actually, I like to think that the cave DID have an opening. In that case, > leaving the gun means that Avon is giving Shrinker the option of using it > rather than trying to find the exit. I've always assumed that the cave is about two miles from Brent Cross, and all Shrinker has to do is climb out, carjack somebody, and be back in business. -(Y) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:38:30 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Carolan?= To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re:Wobblevision at Nexus Message-ID: <20000711173830.25884.qmail@web1704.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Judith Proctor said: > Servalan was drawn by David McIntee (imagine a > middle-aged man with a > beard and a Glaswegan accent if you don't know > David). Er, Judith - if Dave is middle-aged at 30+, what does that make us?? 8-) Carolan (RoD Wobblevision's Vila) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:51:09 +0100 From: "Nyder" To: , "Ellynne G." Subject: Re: [B7L] Stock equalization Message-ID: <000401bfeb5f$add80860$60c828c3@stx.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1) Murray, 2) Dana, 3) Ellynne: > > >In the series, none of Servalan's > > > enemies ever asserted that she was unfit for the offices she held > > because > > > she was a woman. > > It would have been a little tough for LeGrand or Kasabi to say that, > > wouldn't it? > > -(Y) > > > At last, I understand how Kasabi and LeGrand messed up so easily. It was > all part of an intricate scheme to undermine the Federation's faith in > female leadership in general (one leader in particular). Sure, it was > extreme, but they kept thinking what they could get away with if Travis > was running the show. It might also explain a certain defense lawyer > Travis had. She was really working for the other side. And, to tie two online threads together neatly, this explains both why the women on the Liberator didn't do much (afraid of fouling up this intricate plan due to the fact that they were both naturally brilliant) and why Jenna left (off to form an intricate scheme of her own). For the interested, the Posthumous Memoirs of Secretary Rontane are now on my website (at http://redrival.com/nyder/rontane.html). Be warned though, it's not fanfic-- it's a gossip column. Fiona Fiona Moore http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:22:20 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Stock equalization Message-ID: <000201bfeb68$26074500$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Nyder > > Fiona, in addition to Dayna and her father, and the two warlords, there is > > also an anonymous black individual in "Traitor," > > OK, missed him. Still, not much, is it? Since I can't recall anyone else mentioning them, there's also Ven Glynd's aides in Voice. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:30:03 +0100 From: "Nyder" To: , Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon Message-ID: <00c401bfeb77$4ecf3060$60c828c3@stx.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Morrigan/Trish-- > publications. I shan't say another word. The last time this was discussed, > my company merged and changed its name, using Horizon and another word to > form a new one. NOT wanting to open that awful can of worms again, but I'm just dying to know-- what was the other word? E-mail me privately if you like. Fiona/Nyder Fiona Moore http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:11:09 +0100 From: "Nyder" To: "Neil Faulkner" , "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Stock equalization Message-ID: <00c301bfeb77$4e0d6700$60c828c3@stx.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil > From: Nyder > > > Fiona, in addition to Dayna and her father, and the two warlords, there > is > > > also an anonymous black individual in "Traitor," > > > > OK, missed him. Still, not much, is it? > > Since I can't recall anyone else mentioning them, there's also Ven Glynd's > aides in Voice. Probably because we're all blocking Voice from our memories in self-defense. Fiona (mee-ow!) Fiona Moore http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:39:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Wendy S. Penberriss" To: B7Morrigan@aol.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon Message-ID: <20000711203954.13659.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- B7Morrigan@aol.com wrote: > Check the archives about 3 months ago > (ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/blake7/) > for the discussion about the Horizon fan club, its > director, and > publications. I shan't say another word. No further questions! Wendy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:28:52 PDT From: "Isobel Hamilton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re. Zenith and Sally Knyvette Message-ID: <20000711212852.19475.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >I'm not sure Jenna would have allowed Zen to pick up Avon, if she'd >gotten >onboard first. I think she would have headed off to >concentrate on >finding Blake, maybe picking up some new recruits of >her own hmmm not sure about that myself. Despite all the divisions in the crew I doubt any of them would have left another stranded after the evacuation. Jenna and Avon may have had their differences but they also had their moments of agreement. Avon obviously wanted the Liberator for himself but if Blake had been down there wanting to be picked up he would have done it. I've only just seen Aftermath and Powerplay for the first time, so I can't comment after repeated viewings.. yet! Also I have to add, I got my first 2 Together Again tapes in the mail yesterday (Blakes Back and Liberatored) and I must say they are excellent! I'm going to have to buy the others now :o) Isobel ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:48:10 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette Message-ID: <20000711214810.17939.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Steve wrote: Mmm ... no, can't agree. Firstly *because* he had Orac, and could both contact Zen and find out what was going on and use Orac to override Zen if this was going on (note, he does tell Zen that urgent calls from the others have priority over him, which indicates he expects them to do the same for him. There is *some* trust there). Secondly because - mutual mistrust notwithstanding - they were all in danger until they were picked up (these *are* the galaxy's most wanted people, and it ain't just for Avon's sex appeal) and I can't see her leaving even Avon in danger to go recruiting (how long would she expect to leave her crewmates stranded while she goes recruiting, BTW? Not nice.) Thirdly, I think even *Jenna* has worked out by Star One that Avon will Do The Right Thing by Blake as far as he can. As, IMO, he does - there *is* evidence of a serious effort to find Blake early in 3rd season. Just not to find Jenna :-). ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:24:32 EDT From: B7Morrigan@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon Message-ID: <25.82f7e8f.269cf8a0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Morrigan/Trish-- > > publications. I shan't say another word. The last time this was > discussed, > > my company merged and changed its name, using Horizon and another word to > > form a new one. > Fiona asked: > NOT wanting to open that awful can of worms again, but I'm just dying to > know-- what was the other word? E-mail me privately if you like. > Oh, it's not that bad, unless you dislike the translation. Veritas + Horizon = Verizen (the new combined Bell Atlantic & GTE) My only complaint is that they are choosing to translate Veritas to mean reliability. For all of you who are snickering about the combination of Truth and Horizon, remember we are not starting that discussion again! (said firmly) You know, with the imaginations we apply to fanfic, we could probably make a fortune as consultants to companies that merge and require new names (and do a better job than most) Morrigan (aka Trish) "I don't mind rough. It's fatal I'm not too keen on. " ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:12:27 -0400 From: "Christine+Steve" To: "B7 Mailing List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette Message-ID: <004501bfeb9e$71e11600$1a0e9ad8@cgorman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally Manton replied > Mmm ... no, can't agree. Firstly *because* he had Orac, and could both > contact Zen and find out what was going on and use Orac to override Zen if > this was going on (note, he does tell Zen that urgent calls from the others > have priority over him, which indicates he expects them to do the same for > him. There is *some* trust there). Secondly because - mutual mistrust > notwithstanding - they were all in danger until they were picked up (these > *are* the galaxy's most wanted people, and it ain't just for Avon's sex > appeal) and I can't see her leaving even Avon in danger to go recruiting > (how long would she expect to leave her crewmates stranded while she goes > recruiting, BTW? Not nice.) Avon could be pretty sure that if Vila and Cally got back on board then they would have gone looking for him - they both relied on him too much. I think Jenna would have been okay with going looking for Blake, knowing Avon had the help of Orac to survive. > Thirdly, I think even *Jenna* has worked out by Star One that Avon will Do > The Right Thing by Blake as far as he can. As, IMO, he does - there *is* > evidence of a serious effort to find Blake early in 3rd season. Just not to > find Jenna :-). This was only because Avon gave his word in person to Blake to hold off the aliens until the Federation ships arrived. After that, Avon only went after Blake when he needed him. At the end of series 4, he's known where Blake was for a long time and admits he would have left him where he was if things had gone right. I think they all knew this about Avon's character and Jenna might have left him to fend for himself, and gone after Blake immediatly. And I'm not sure there is an effort to find Blake early on in Series 3. He makes contact with the Liberator a couple of times, they drop his name into the negotiations on Obsidian in Volcano to try to get recruits, but that seems about it. Steve Dobson. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:21:04 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Revolutions past Message-ID: <396BC7FF.6690@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gnog said: > Just read an interesting e-mail about the fate of the 50 odd professional > people who signed the US declaration of independence. Basically it sounds > like they all died, I should hope so! They'd be mighty damn old by now otherwise! But some lived to a ripe old age. or ended up bankrupt. But the Americans still think they > are better of without us ? No! No! We don't want to be rid of you. We like to read your novels, listen to your accents, mock your food... oh, you mean better off without you ruling us? Hmmm... woudl that mean no Gore vs. Bush race this year? That gets tempting. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:23:23 EDT From: B7Morrigan@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Revolutions past Message-ID: <5f.7c9c217.269d309b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Gnog said: > > Just read an interesting e-mail about the fate of the 50 odd professional > > people who signed the US declaration of independence. Basically it sounds > > like they all died, > I should hope so! They'd be mighty damn old by now otherwise! But some > lived to a ripe old age. > or ended up bankrupt. But the Americans still think they > > are better of without us ? > No! No! We don't want to be rid of you. > We like to read your novels, listen to your accents, mock your food... > oh, you mean better off without you ruling us? > Hmmm... woudl that mean no Gore vs. Bush race this year? That gets > tempting. As bad as the taxes are here in the US, I think I'll put up with Bore vs.Gush. Anyway, Gnog, there is always a necessity for the child to toss off the apron strings. Staying tied to one's mother (actual or country) for too long does not usually have salutary effects on either. Besides, we're an affectionate child. We write, come to visit, come to your defence, and do everything a well-raised child should. Hell, even the "Sandbaggers" acknowledged our special relationship. It's why France doesn't like us; they're jealous Morrigan (Trish) "The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:42:38 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #195 Message-ID: <396BCD0E.A69@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Kathryn, > > > > I've still got 5 copies of Refractions #3 left, and 7 copies of #4. > > Not to mention however many of #5 and #6. > > Does anybody want them? It seems not. (grumble, grizzle, sigh) > Wanting and feeling free to blow money on something that does not serve a useful purpose (my husband's job may be in jeopardy) is a different matter. I generally like your tastes, Kathryn, so I feel any zine you publish is worth reading. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:53:43 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #196 Message-ID: <396BCFA6.37ED@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > 'Twould be interesting to compare people's working styles. Quick > or slow? Slow. Multiple drafts or one plus tweaking? One. Very slight changes. Beginning to end, > or jumping around? Mostly beginning to end. In longer works... new chapters for later begun individually to give some plan. Outline or not? Not Know the end when starting, > or not? Know the end. Long obsessive sessions, or an hour a day? Yes. If one or the other is not done, finishing it becomes unlikely. Anybody? Helen, once known as Avona. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:07:06 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Revolutions past Message-ID: <20000712030706.71871.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: B7Morrigan@aol.com >As bad as the taxes are here in the US, I think I'll put up with Bore >vs.Gush. Hahaha! >Anyway, Gnog, there is always a necessity for the child to toss off the >apron >strings. Trish, don't do that, please. You'll wake up Darren the rampant monarchist. Let him sleep. Regards Joanne (who isn't going to take either side of the Australian republic debate seriously until they stop whingeing at each other) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:18:32 EDT From: B7Morrigan@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Revolutions past Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >From: B7Morrigan@aol.com > >As bad as the taxes are here in the US, I think I'll put up with Bore > >vs.Gush. > > Hahaha! > > >Anyway, Gnog, there is always a necessity for the child to toss off the > >apron > >strings. > > Trish, don't do that, please. You'll wake up Darren the rampant monarchist. > Let him sleep. > > Regards > Joanne > (who isn't going to take either side of the Australian republic debate > seriously until they stop whingeing at each other) Joanne, What fun! Could Darren do a monarchists' version of B7? I suppose it would change everything, wouldn't it? If you waiting for politicians to stop whingeing, it might be C30. Morrigan (Trish) "The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:39:39 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Revolutions past Message-ID: <20000712033939.63672.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: B7Morrigan@aol.com >If you waiting for politicians to stop whingeing, it might be C30. If it were only the politicians... It's the "I know what's best for you, so nyah!" brigade on both sides that I'm worried about. It's Vargas v Vargas, really (if you *want* to imagine two Brian Blesseds yelling "I rule" at each other). Regards Joanne ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:26:49 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:Wobblevision at Nexus Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue 11 Jul, Carolan wrote: > > > Judith Proctor said: > > Servalan was drawn by David McIntee (imagine a > > middle-aged man with a > > beard and a Glaswegan accent if you don't know > > David). > > Er, Judith - if Dave is middle-aged at 30+, what does > that make us?? 8-) Well, if the years of our days are three score and ten, then I'm err, going to lie about my age Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:26:15 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List cc: Freedom City , adamspossie@netscapeonline.co.uk Subject: [B7L] Winspit quarry trip Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII The trip to Winspit quarry is definitely on. Winspit is where 'Games' was filmed and Dr Who used the site as well. The rendezvous is at Wareham station around 12am on Sunday 30 July. If you're coming, please let me know in advance so I can make sure we don't leave without anyone. We'll share cars, so anyone arriving by rail will be able to get a lift. (We rendezvous at the station because it's easy to find on the map and has free parking on Sundays.) You'll need to bring a packed lunch, a water pistol or supersoaker (or a bottle of water to throw at people if all else fails), plus a good pair of shoes. A container for carrying water is also handy (as there's no tap at the quarry - you have to carry your ammunition supply). A change of clothes is optional, but a dry t-shirt might come in handy. Basically, this is an excuse to run in and out of caves zapping fellow fans while using the excuse that it's a good occasion to take a photo of a Mecronian cave or Belkov's base or where Tarrant and co teleported down. It's cheaper than paintball and lots of fun and the view over the Dorset coast is fantastic. Everyone welcome regardless of age, (children are fine - they'll have a great time as long as they're old enough to walk a mile or so), gender, planet of origin, etc. Non-combatants also welcome. We generally have a neutral area where the ore-carts unloaded, so you can sit there and chat to people who are having a break from the shoot-out. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:30:35 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List cc: Freedom City Subject: [B7L] new caption picture Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII We've just uploaded the next picture for the caption contest. See what you make of this one... http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 We've also added a special page to thank everyone who's contibuted material to the site. We really appreciate all the zine reviews, convention diaries, essays and other material. We hope we haven't missed anyone out, but apologise if we have. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:40:13 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Revolutions past Message-ID: <20000712.004015.-441135.0.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:21:04 -0700 Helen Krummenacker writes: > Gnog said: > > Just read an interesting e-mail about the fate of the 50 odd > professional > > people who signed the US declaration of independence. Basically it > sounds > > like they all died, Blake would have loved them. Even Avon might have had some difficulty being cynical. But the Americans still think they > > are better of without us ? Couldn't it be the other way around? Do you really want to be too closely associated with a country that made hamburgers its ambassador to the world? > oh, you mean better off without you ruling us? > Hmmm... woudl that mean no Gore vs. Bush race this year? That gets > tempting. > Wait, no Clinton administration? Ever? No listening to people defend a slimey back stabber who you can't even saterize because he always turns around and lives down to (and below) your worst expectations? No listening to Gore explain he had nothing to do with Clinton and barely knows the man? No listening to Gore supporters explain that the scandals don't mean anything because all politicians are like that and Bush must be just as bad, even if they can't think of any specifics? No listening to how complete lack of personal intergrity doesn't matter so long as the economy's good (kind of like the Federation being glad to take profits from Shadow)? Hmm, and your flag has a nice color scheme, too. Ellynne (Who is actually a dyed in the wool Yankee even if she does spend an inordinate amount of time salivating over certain British TV shows [and who, come to think of it, knows all the words to 'God Save the Queen'....(hey, my ancestors only came here to avoid being massacred for their beliefs and stuff like that)]). ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:13:08 -0600 From: Penny Dreadful To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Revolutions past Message-Id: <4.1.20000712010130.00a9cab0@mail.powersurfr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:40 AM 7/12/00 -0600, Ellynne G. wrote: >Ellynne ... >who, come to think of it, knows all the words to 'God Save the >Queen' Yeah, me too. "...she ain't no human bein'..." (but without her we'd be forced to put Chretien's face on all our coins) Are there faces on the money in the far-flung future of B7? And if so, how many people did Sleer have to kill because they looked down at the cash she was handing them to buy slaves or whatever and then looked at *her* and said Hmm, you know, you look very familiar... Nah. The implausible part is imagining she'd ever actually *pay* for anything. Lookin' For Trouble, Penny ______________________________ "No rules, no naps, no shoes!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:41:13 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Revolutions past Message-ID: <0eff01bfebd4$8fbc9c40$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Trish wrote: > Anyway, Gnog, there is always a necessity for the child to toss off the apron > strings. Staying tied to one's mother (actual or country) for too long does > not usually have salutary effects on either. Besides, we're an affectionate > child. We write, come to visit, come to your defence, and do everything a > well-raised child should. And then produce films which don't mention us at all > Hell, even the "Sandbaggers" acknowledged our > special relationship. If there is *anyone* out there who can help me track down episodes of this, they will have my eternal gratitude. Una ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:58:51 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette Message-ID: <20000712075851.14474.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Steve wrote: Well, that's what Avon says, but he's being decidedly less than frank and open at this point anyway ... and as I said in a loooong post not long ago, there's little evidence either way, but enough to make a case that he/they did too search - not all the time, not obsessively, but seriously enough to be veeerrry noticeable to at least one outsider ... And I don't need much evidence to add it to my personal canon :-) (PS - if anyone actually *wants* to hear the argument again, write to me not the Lyst - I'm not re-inflicting it on those who were bored with it the first time :-)) For Blake, quite possibly. For recruiting purposes, no, can't see it (if she would, it says something about Jenna I don't like). Although I have to admit, the *fanfic* idea of Jenna doing this, something nasty happening to Avon in the interim and Fearless Leader's reaction (he does *not* like his people put at risk for what he doesn't consider bloody good reason) is extremely appealing ... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:00:00 +0200 From: Steve Kilbane To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: Bleeding onto the page (was Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock) Message-Id: <200007120700.IAA23328@whitecrow.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kathryn wrote: > I have goals. I have ideas of where the story is going. > But I don't sit down and write a scene-by-scene outline before I > actually write anything else. Even though some schools of writing > declare that Thou Shalt Write An Outline. I find that a bit... > dogmatic, myself. Well, there are two poles on that scale, ranging from plotting every scene in advance, to starting with a single character, and just "watching what they do next". People usually find themselves on one side or another, and the other approach doesn't work for them. I like to at least have the beats of the story broken down, but beginning and end are absolute musts - otherwise I can't begin. It's like mountain climbing: you need the gear, and you need a mountain. > I generally only work on one story at a time, though I may put a story > aside for a while and then come back to it. I usually have background notes germinating for half a dozen, in my head, with one story being the actively in-progress one, at a time. steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:47:45 +0200 From: Steve Kilbane To: "B7 List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Bleeding onto the page Message-Id: <200007120647.HAA22860@whitecrow.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Marian wrote: > I too find it much easier to > rewrite what's already there so at first I just keep on writing even though > I know it's bad. On going over it again and again I gradually adjust it > until I'm satisfied. Oo, [envy]. I find it very difficult to edit. Away from the page, it's ok - I know what I want to write, what its texture is. Once I read what I've already written, that tends to take over, and I lose what I had in my head. The best way to describe it is that the existing story has momentum, and it takes effort to steer it in the direction I want it to go. > Then I let it rest story for a few weeks and go back to it and find a lot of > things which need changing that escaped me earlier. I can keep tinkering > with it forever and at some time just have to say: "Enough!" I can always find some reason why my stories still needs work. :-/ steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:24:28 +0200 From: Steve Kilbane To: B7 List Subject: Re: Bleeding onto the page (was Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock) Message-Id: <200007112024.VAA08444@whitecrow.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > LOL, something in common. I often spend an all-nighter coming > up with three sentences (and occasionally erase those the next day). cf Oscar Wilde (it was him and his comma, wasn't it?) > 'Twould be interesting to compare people's working styles. Quick > or slow? Multiple drafts or one plus tweaking? Beginning to end, > or jumping around? Outline or not? Know the end when starting, > or not? Long obsessive sessions, or an hour a day? Anybody? Personally, I write most when I'm in bed, supposedly trying to sleep. I get the general sense of whole chunks of text worked up, and then I put them down on paper. It can take weeks for this to accumulate in my head before I actually write it. 'Course, for any given story, there's only so much text I can hold in my head at once, which might explain why I haven't written a novel yet. :-) steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 02:28:24 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: Bleeding onto the page (was Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock) Message-ID: <396C3A37.8714ED9E@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve Kilbane wrote: > > LOL, something in common. I often spend an all-nighter coming > > up with three sentences (and occasionally erase those the next day). > > cf Oscar Wilde (it was him and his comma, wasn't it?) Well, if I wrote half so well, it would be worth the agony. I'm so enjoying hearing how everybody works; I'll answer my own questions, just to be fair: > > Quick or slow? Nonfiction, in the middle on the quick side. Nonfiction's easy. With fiction, very fast or very slow; practically never in the middle. Fast is bliss, a high, and slow is agony (hence the thread title.) Oddly, the quality seems pretty much the same fast or slow. I attribute this to having to get the words very close to what I really want in order to have the story flow--for me it's not so much about what happens as in how you tell it. I hear the rhythm in my head, and it's right for me, or it's not. > > Multiple drafts or one plus tweaking? One plus tweaking. But I want to try the multiple drafts thing. > > Beginning to end, or jumping around? Outline or not? > > Know the end when starting, or not? I have to know where I'm going. I was always told to choose your characters, put them in a situation, and see what happens. It just doesn't work for me; I'd get bogged down at about 30% done--at the break between the beginning and the middle. Then last year I tried outlining, and all I can say is, WOW! I keep it very flexible; just a list of scenes that tell me where, who, which viewpoint, and what has to happen in the scene to move the story forward. As bits of dialogue, action, gags occur to me, they get tacked on to the end of the file, and moved to the appropriate scene when I know which one that is. If I know something has to be revealed in scene 12, I can go back and plant clues in 3 and 7; and I can keep making adjustments, even as writing. I'm much less likely to leave out something that has to be in. Another big plus is that I can work on whichever scene inspires me on that particular day--which in turn leads to more flow and less crawl. And the simple outline is flexible enough to make changes if a scene takes an unexpected turn. When working on a particular scene, if it's too cumbersome to write from beginning to end, I'll start with a script-like rough draft; dialogue plus stage directions. If there's so much that has to go in the scene I can't even get there logically, I write each piece of the scene I do know on a Post-It and rearrange them and fill in until the scene makes sense. The only downside to all this is that it means all the most difficult/ least inspiring scenes are left for last; I get bogged down at 90% instead of 30%, LOL. > > Long obsessive sessions, or an hour a day? Long obsessive sessions when it's going well. When it's slow, it varies with my patience, but I try to get *something* done each day. Taking a walk or other physical activity helps; and my best trick is to tell myself I am NOT going to write today--I spend the day doing all the household chores that have gone begging so that the writing would be done, I don't even answer e-mail, sometimes don't turn on the computer, just work really hard at *anything* else that's useful and productive. Then I sit down just before bedtime and write for an hour or two--many times I get as much down as if I'd tried to write for eight hours. I'm going to try tacking the pages on the wall next. Mistral -- "Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!" --Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:45:18 +0200 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: B7 Mailing List Subject: Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette Message-ID: <0Vh32UAOICb5Ewi6@jajones.demon.co.uk> In message <004501bfeb9e$71e11600$1a0e9ad8@cgorman>, Christine+Steve writes >This was only because Avon gave his word in person to Blake to hold off the >aliens until the Federation ships arrived. After that, Avon only went after >Blake when he needed him. Terminal... -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:22:39 EDT From: Mac4781@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Revolutions past Message-ID: <9f.7f8bdb4.269daeff@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Penny (on Servalan): > Nah. The implausible part is imagining she'd ever actually *pay* for anything. LOL Sorry to be off topic, but this reminds me of the mind-boggling (to me) question of what can't-be-without-them items are inside the Queen's handbag (that I've seen hanging from her arm in many a picture)? coins for phone calls her tube pass pics of the grandkids to show people she might meet what they look like Getting back to B7, I love it that Servalan strolls around without so much as a mini-purse for necessities. She expects the rest of the universe to provide her with anything she needs. I like her style. Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:42:34 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Revolutions past Message-ID: <0f4601bfebf6$478146c0$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carol wrote: > Sorry to be off topic, but this reminds me of the mind-boggling (to me) > question of what can't-be-without-them items are inside the Queen's handbag > (that I've seen hanging from her arm in many a picture)? > > pics of the grandkids to show people she might meet what they look like So that'll be some stamps I want to know if the Queen Mum is going to get a telegram from the Queen when she turns 100. This one has been puzzling me since I was about 5. Only a few weeks now, and it'll all become clear at last. Una ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:06:45 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" Subject: [B7L] Watch out Mr Faulkner Message-ID: <200007120807_MC2-ABF9-8719@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The Times, July 12: The owner of a penguin that disappeared in Sheerness, Kent, while it was being taken to the vet, has appealed for its return. The man stopped his van to use a cash machine, but when he returned the bird had gone. The penguin was fed on water, sardines and cat food. Harriet -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #198 **************************************