From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #215 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/215 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 215 Today's Topics: [B7L] Blake Poems [ "Ellynne G." ] [B7L] Gan-zilla [ "Ellynne G." ] Re: [B7L] Orbit [ Judith Proctor ] Re: [B7L] The charge against Blake ( [ "Sally Manton" ] Re: [B7L] Re: Orbit [ "Dana Shilling" ] Re: [B7L] Re: Orbit [ "Marian de Haan" ] Re: [B7L] Blake model [ Judith Proctor ] Re: [B7L] Parsec {was Orbit} [ "Gary" ] Re: [B7L] Blake model [ Jacqueline Thijsen ] Re: [B7L] Parsec {was Orbit} [ "Ellynne G." ] Re: [B7L] Parsec {was Orbit} [ "Lysias" ] [B7L] Tachyons [ "Ellynne G." ] Re: [B7L] Gan-zilla [ "Sally Manton" ] [B7L] Re: Avon, Tarrant, Guada Prime [ Helen Krummenacker ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 22:08:13 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Blake Poems Message-ID: <20000728.223627.-75339.0.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Was just listening to a CD by Loreena McKennitt. This was from a bit called Lullaby, which was actually a poem put to music for the Stratford Festival production of .... Blake (William Blake, but that is not the point). The basic sentiment sounded enough like Roj Blake (despite religious references which, I admit, weren't exactly him) that I had to put it in (text by William Blake [only the music and vocals still have copyright, according to my understanding (just thought I'd mention it)]) that I had to post it. O for a voice like thunder, and a tongue To drown the throat of war! -- When the senses Are shaken, and the soul is driven to madness, Who can stand? When the souls of the oppressed Fight in the troubled air that rages, who can stand? When the whirlwind of fury comes from the Throne of God, when the frowns of his countenance Drive the nations together, who can stand? When Sin claps his broad winds over the battle, And sails rejoicing in the flood of Death; When souls are torn to everlasting fire, And fiends of Hell rejoice upon the slain, O who can stand? O who hath caused this? O who can answer before the throne of God? The Kings and Nobles of the Land have done it! Hear it not, Heaven, they Ministers have done it! Yep, just your basic, reel-back-in-horror-at-the-atrocities-committed-and-perpetuated-by- the-powers-that-be type poem, with special references to those whose "senses are shaken, and the soul is driven to madness" by Federation brainwashers in The Way Back, as well as to the more generic "souls of the oppressed," aka, average civilian in B7. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 22:35:19 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Gan-zilla Message-ID: <20000728.223627.-75339.2.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:00:33 GMT "Sally Manton" writes: > Jessica wrote: > because Gan > was (IMO) the only member of the crew you'd dare turn your back on > ever ...> > > as long as you were absolutely *sure* the inhibitor was > working the > way it *should*. I've always wondered what Gan would have been like without the inhibitor. There's always the remote possibility the psycho who emerged when it was malfunctioning was the real him (I doubt it, since he was generally too nice in too many ways [if the Federation could do that kind of conditioning, Blake would have been given one]). The problem is, the only logical reason for Cally to have believed him when he said he was OK when it was breaking down was if she had some kind of telepathic input - he wasn't _feeling_ violent. Now, a true psychopath can give all the cues indicating one state of mind (even, possibly, fooling themselves [and, in theory, and empathically receptive telepaths]) when they're having another. If Gan wasn't in a truly psychopathic condition, then he should have been feeling surges of violence that Cally should have picked up on. Heaven forbid the unthinkable, she just fell for it. But, going back to King Kong and Fay Wray, his girlfriend _is_ dead. No one ever said Gan didn't carry her up the Empire State Building, swatting at attacking spacecraft (the guard[s] he killed) till he accidentally slipped (if Blake can survive 'Blake' I see no reason why Kong wouldn't have just needed a little first aid [especially if there's a sequal in it]). OTOH, Godzilla had a son, remember? Who was nice, mild mannered, and never accused of attacking noncoms. He could also shrink down to near human size and talk (however, Gan's lips are always synchronized with the sounds coming out of them, so this has major flaws). Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 20:18:47 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Orbit Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Sat 29 Jul, Jessica Taylor wrote: > Are you saying mean things about Gan, that is terrible! > Firstly because Gan was (IMO) the only member of the crew you'd dare turn > your back on ever and secondly well, cause he was just so all round sweet, > besides he couldn't have been godzilla because he had the inhibiter in his > head to stop him killing people, So there! Jessica, please stand forward and accept the oak leaf of the Gan Defence League. Wear it with pride and welcome to a small, but proud band who believe in the decency, kindness and general all round niceness of Olag Gan. (And he's cuddly too ) Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 03:13:39 EDT From: B7Morrigan@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Gan-zilla Message-ID: <44.5e4acef.26b3de23@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ellynne wrote: > I've always wondered what Gan would have been like without the inhibitor. > There's always the remote possibility the psycho who emerged when it was > malfunctioning was the real him (I doubt it, since he was generally too > nice in too many ways [if the Federation could do that kind of > conditioning, Blake would have been given one]). > OTOH, that sounds like a great idea for fanfic Morrigan "When I get a little money I buy zines; and if any is left I buy food and clothes." (apologies to Erasmus) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 07:39:33 GMT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Gan-zilla Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Ellyne: <[if the Federation could do that kind of conditioning, Blake would have been given one]).> and Trish: > But 'twould have brought the series itself to a screaming great halt round about - err - the start :-) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:56:43 +0200 From: "Marian de Haan" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] The charge against Blake (was Orbit) Message-ID: <001601bff932$8ba6aae0$dbee72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To my: >< Sally commented: >Why not ? Everyone else in the galaxy completely forgets the charge in record time - by SLD even the Powers-That-Be seem to have done so.< True, but at the time of Cygnus Alpha Blake had no means of knowing that everyone would so conveniently forget / ignore that charge [unless he's clairvoyant, of course :-)]. One wonders how the other prisoners on the London would have reacted to him if they had not been doped to the eyeballs. Usually rapists and child molesters are at the bottom of the criminal ladder, and in prison often prone to abuse from their fellow inmates. Of course, we don't know whether that distinction still exists in the B7 Universe. The admiration with which Vila in Space Fall speaks about Jenna's and Avon's feats might indicate that smuggling and grand-scale embezzlement are still at the top of the list, but could equally just express his personal view. [And isn't it touching how he's even offering Avon some consolation: "You've got nothing to be ashamed of." Avon doesn't look like he's appreciating it, though :-)] >I mean, they *did* it to discredit him, then, when he's becoming a galaxy-wide hero, they never think to use the most potent weapon in their armoury against him (I might add that I find *this* plot hole a little annoying, since it says so much about the Powers-That-Be's intelligence).< Maybe they deduced that the Federation's reputation had now become so bad that it lead to everyone automatically being prepared to believe that Blake had been framed. In those circumstances there would be little use in going through with it. But I agree that it is a gaping and irritating plot-hole. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 12:46:48 GMT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] The charge against Blake (was Orbit) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Marian wrote: Also true, but then given that, wouldn't he better off going and searching for other rebels, who (having a less-than-glowing view of Federation justice) would be more likely to give his story of a frame-up credit than ordinary criminals? Can't help feeling that had he turned up on, say, Avalon's door with an open invitation, there would have been enough real rebels dazzled (like My Darling) by this great big beautiful toy - err, I mean struck by the possibilities of this wonderful weapon against oppression - to fill the spots on the flight deck quite satisfactorily. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:39:30 -0400 From: "Christine+Steve" To: "B7 Mailing List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Orbit Message-ID: <004601bff962$8049e1a0$44029ad8@cgorman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gnog wrote : > > Now there is a new angle for Orbit (no not the Avon - Villa scene). > Egrorian. He is an eccentric man, who regards himself as a genius, but > becomes banished on a lonely planet, with a hero worshipping adolescent for > company. (Insert stuff for other list here). How would you expect Egrorian > to behave ? Is his performance in Orbit really that unbelievable, or just > the product of prolonged isolation of that sort of man. I like this view. A genius, used to hearing the praise of his fellow workers until he begins work on powerful weaponry, when he's cast out. I'm sure Egrorian considered himself better than all his co-workers, and the feelings of rejection and anger are probably enhanced over the period of isolation. The only person he's got to take it out on was Pinder, using him to get the praise and recognition he feels he deserves and becoming violent when he doesn't get the right reaction. Steve Dobson. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 15:34:09 +0200 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Avon Kong Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000729153051.00a7b470@pop3.wish.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The Gan as Godzilla or King Kong discussion has given me strange images on the brain again. The worst of them: a giant Avon (wearing black leather, of course) climbing the empire state building clutching an adoring Meegat in one hand. Brrrr.... Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 10:15:27 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: Re: [B7L] Blake model Message-ID: <200007291015_MC2-ADF4-847F@compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Judith wrote: >Ian says he's going to start work on Travis next week. May we enquire how far down the production line Jarriere is waiting? Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 15:48:04 GMT From: Ika To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon in Assassin Message-Id: <200007291453.PAA27711@smtp.uk2net.com> sorry, can't remember who... > > Bite your tongue ... no, we already *knew* from Assassin that > > although My Darling has a thousand and three talents and virtues > > (okay, a thousand talents and about three virtues), acting skill is > > *definitely* not among them. > > Helen: > Okay, am I the *only* one who thinks that Avon did a pretty good > befuddled, harmless strandee? I thought he was fine - but then I think Avon overacts pretty much all the time. Even when he's not acting. The example that springs to mind is his confrontation with Servalan - "Oh no, it is not *natural*" etc... (And yes, I do think that's Avon overacting not PD) Love, Ika ---------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using http://uk2.net NEWS - CHEAPEST DEDICATED SERVERS IN THE WORLD - 29/month UK's FREE Domains, FREE Dialup, FREE Webdesign, FREE email ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 10:48:37 -0400 From: "Dana Shilling" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Orbit Message-ID: <008001bff96e$65650020$74684e0c@dshilling> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Replying to Marian and Mistral: (Marian)> > Judging by the scene in Space Fall, Avon feels very protective towards his > > brother. It's my take [but of course I don't expect anyone to agree :-)] > > that the reason for Avon's strong protectiveness towards Blake is that Blake > > reminds him of his brother. > (Mistral)> That's rather close to my view--Avon's brother was an idealist, > his idealism got him killed, so Blake's idealism attracts and angers > Avon at the same time. Add that on top of Avon's natural cynicism > and I think you'd get some pretty strong push-pull. My take on it is that Avon starts out feeling comprehensively irritated by Blake because he reminds him of his brother--he can't quite stop being influenced by decades of quarreling over the last digestive biscuit. -(Y) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 10:53:51 -0400 From: "Dana Shilling" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Orbit Message-ID: <008101bff96e$673af8a0$74684e0c@dshilling> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally said: > Avon has this strong disinclination to think very much about other people > (with three, maybe four reluctant and unadmitted exceptions, including the > brother and maybe not even including Servalan), which means that they *do* > very easily slip 'out of sight, out of mind'. We're not talking about humanity in general here, we're talking about Tarrant. Avon is NOT a member of the Tarrant Nostra. Although he certainly doesn't hate Tarrant anywhere near as much as Vila does. > > and Marian: > > > And of course decided that the only people in the galaxy who would meet his > exacting standards of stalwart rebel cohorts were the likes of Arco and > Vila. :-) Yes, but whenever he met any real rebels and asked them to join him, they ALL remembered that they had a pressing engagement in Sector Five... -(Y) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 10:58:29 -0400 From: "Dana Shilling" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon in Assassin Message-ID: <008201bff96e$68d56ec0$74684e0c@dshilling> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Betty said: > > As representative of the majority view, I must add, however, that I > don't think the slave traders *cared* what his story was or whether he > was telling the truth, just about how much he was likely to fetch on the > auction block. You'd think the BBC would have recognized the palpable need to hire a few extras to mill around and look saleable...in fact, if online auctions had been available then, they could have financed S5 just from seeing how much the fen would have paid for the privilege. -(Y) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:17:37 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] The charge against Blake (was Orbit) Message-ID: <20000729.091739.-89653.0.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Marian wrote: > that > everyone would so conveniently forget / ignore that charge [unless > he's > clairvoyant, of course :-)].> > Although he'd forgotten it, Blake first had a big reputation (I assume under an alias) as leader of the Freedom Party. Then, when he was caught, they brainwashed him into being the Federation poster boy. Then, when the brainwashing began to wear off, they framed him for certain crimes. I'm thinking transformation #1 probably served more as a warning than anything else. The only people who really bought it were probably borderline brainwashed themselves, but (PR points aside) it probably hit the morale of anyone borderline interested in joining rebel groups to see how totally the government could twist someone around who'd been a supporter. When the false charges came along, people in the know probably had a fair idea what was going on (sheltered defense attornies who only hung out with privileged Alphas aside). For it to work, I think we have to assume that anyone who knew enough to know who Blake _really_ was had to know enough to think the charges were false. Probably why the Federation stopped bringing the issue up. If your best attack starts becoming part of everyone's image of you as an oprressor, you probably stop bringing it up. Naturally, Blake didn't know that. All he knew was that things had worked out on the London so most of the prisoners either believed him or had enough faith in his ability to plan an escape/charisma/whatever that they acted as if the charges didn't matter. He didn't have any reason to believe that would happen with the next group he ran into. He didn't know rebel movements all over the galaxy had been working nonstop on his PR. Then again, Blake's defense attorney may have had the sense to leave what he'd found (previous to being shot) where someone sympathetic could find it or perhaps he left information on his computer Avon (or his brother [previous to Orac, even Avon might have had problems doing the long distance download - and I doubt the guy's hard drive was just lying around all that time]?) somehow got ahold of it. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:34:21 +0200 From: "Marian de Haan" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Orbit Message-ID: <001a01bff983$3eecc6c0$dbee72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dana wrote: >My take on it is that Avon starts out feeling comprehensively >irritated by Blake because he reminds him of his brother--he >can't quite stop being influenced by decades of quarreling over >the last digestive biscuit. I can't see Avon quarreling over the last biscuit - he would just grab and eat it. But maybe his irritation was brought on by the fact that his brother always beat him to it. :-) Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 08:14:04 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Blake model Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Fri 28 Jul, Tigerm1019@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 07/28/2000 12:51:01 PM Central Daylight Time, > Judith@blakes-7.com writes: > > > Ian says he's going to start work on Travis next week. > > Is this Travis 1 or Travis 2? Travis 2, I believe. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 11:10:19 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Gan-zilla Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Sat 29 Jul, Ellynne G. wrote: > I've always wondered what Gan would have been like without the inhibitor. > There's always the remote possibility the psycho who emerged when it was > malfunctioning was the real him (I doubt it, since he was generally too > nice in too many ways [if the Federation could do that kind of > conditioning, Blake would have been given one]). I always thought that the limiter was feeding scrambled implses into his brain when it malfunctioned. That was the problem, it hadn't stopped working, it was malfunctioning. > > The problem is, the only logical reason for Cally to have believed him > when he said he was OK when it was breaking down was if she had some kind > of telepathic input - he wasn't _feeling_ violent. That particular scene does give me problems because it seems to be very calculated on GAn's part, whereas most of the time you got the feeling that his actions were beyond his control and were sometimes a response to severe pain. > > Now, a true psychopath can give all the cues indicating one state of mind > (even, possibly, fooling themselves [and, in theory, and empathically > receptive telepaths]) when they're having another. If Gan wasn't in a > truly psychopathic condition, then he should have been feeling surges of > violence that Cally should have picked up on. Or it came and went in surges (when the limiter fed him another current pulse or whatever and when she was 'listening' he wasn't at his worse? Cally's ability to read emotion was very limited. I can think of two occasions when she picked up Avon's emotional state (Hostage and Terminal) but I don't recall her ever reading anyone else. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 20:01:40 +0200 From: "Marian de Haan" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] The charge against Blake (was Orbit) Message-ID: <001d01bff987$11fda540$dbee72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To my: >< Sally replied: >Also true, but then given that, wouldn't he better off going and searching for other rebels, who (having a less-than-glowing view of Federation justice) would be more likely to give his story of a frame-up credit than ordinary criminals?< But would he know where to *find* other rebels? His own rebel activity seems to have been confined to Earth, which makes it doubtful whether he would have known about dissidents on other planets. And if he had those groups would have been wiped out after he'd spilled the beans to his interrogators prior to his brainwashing. So even if he got his memory back those people would no longer be there. The Federation would take care to keep any rebel attacks from the news. And the rebels wouldn't be advertising their whereabouts. On his first mission, in Time Squad, Blake is reduced to sit waiting for the rebels to make contact with him. So I don't think he had much option but to go to the one place where he could expect to find people willing to join him, if only to get off the planet. And he genuinely seems to be convinced of the need for a larger crew. Probably his first priority was to get a crew to fly the ship. He may have planned to recruit a rebel force later. But the trouble he had with his small band of reluctant followers must have made him think better of that. :-) Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 14:01:16 -0400 From: "Gary" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Parsec {was Orbit} Message-ID: <006f01bff986$fe384e20$78bac0d1@Pgadam> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; boundary="----------------------------"; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm not sure about the one second on arc at that distance, but the correct 'yardstick' for a parsec is 3.26 light years. I suppose if an ear of corn were that far away it would not subtend an angle that large. The crowd does note your exposure of Han Solo's use being incorrect. However, I must add that Star Wars had the best usage of the jump to hyperspace being *dangerous* and *time-consuming*. In series like B7 and Doctor Who and the Star Trek series' they just simply get the order to go warp whatever and basically just slam the gas and go... At least Han explains it takes time for the computer to get it right and it's just simply not a safe, free thing. Of course, they gloss over it in later movies anyway, just like everybody else does. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Date: Thursday, July 27, 2000 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [B7L] Orbit >On Thu 27 Jul, rita d'orac wrote: >> I was running late this morning and caught "Godzila" (cartoon series) on TV. >> >> Won't go into the details of the plot (yes I know I should have been at work by now), >> but the mad scientist referred to a "Tachyon Signal" being sent from an alien craft at >> the bottom of the sea. The others on the boat asked him what Ta >> chyons were and he described them as "high density electro-magnetic paticles". > >And the fact that they go faster than light passes un-noticed . > >God, I hate bad science! > >It isn't exactly hard to generate technobabble that at least has some relevence >to real science. I think the thing that makes me wince hardest in the whole >Star Wars saga is when Han Solo uses 'parsec' as a unit of time. (It's actually >the distance at which an object has as parallax of one second of arc - fingers >crossed that I haven't got that wrong...)(a second is a fraction of a degree) > >At least B7 isn't too bad in this respect, though they are rather cavilier about >how long it takes to get places - that's inconsistent plotting as much as >anything else though. Remember Star One where they talk about how they're so >far from anywhere that it would take ages for anyone to get out there - then the >fleet make it in about three hours! (I always assume that there was a fleet >doing border patrol that they didn't know about, but it's still a bit flimsy.) > >Judith >-- >http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, >pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth >Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) >Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 20:52:13 +0200 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Blake model Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000729204928.00a82730@pop3.wish.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:14 29-7-00, Judith Proctor wrote: >On Fri 28 Jul, Tigerm1019@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 07/28/2000 12:51:01 PM Central Daylight Time, > > Judith@blakes-7.com writes: > > > > > Ian says he's going to start work on Travis next week. > > > > Is this Travis 1 or Travis 2? > >Travis 2, I believe. Yesss!!!! Yesss!!!! Yesss!!!! Want one!!!! Want one!!!! Want one...... But only if it really is Travis 2. Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 15:12:21 EDT From: Tigerm1019@aol.com To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Blake model Message-ID: <1e.8a7dc9c.26b48695@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 07/29/2000 12:59:41 PM Central Daylight Time, Judith@blakes-7.com writes: > > Is this Travis 1 or Travis 2? > > Travis 2, I believe. Thanks, Judith. :-) Tiger M ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:47:15 GMT From: "Sally Manton" To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Blake model Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Tiger M/Judith: Have we got enough takers for a Vila yet? (and I'm with Harriet on the Jarriere too, surprise surprise). ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:30:08 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Gan-zilla Message-ID: <20000729.194551.-303951.0.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sat, 29 Jul 2000 11:10:19 +0100 (BST) Judith Proctor writes: > Cally's ability to read emotion was very limited. I can think of > two occasions > when she picked up Avon's emotional state (Hostage and Terminal) but > I don't > recall her ever reading anyone else. > Me either, but it's the only reason I can think of for anyone with an IQ higher than a drumstick's to untie a guy who'd just been violently attacking friends minutes before. It's either that or that terrible affliction, fluctuating IQ, that so many TV characters suffer from. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:45:49 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Parsec {was Orbit} Message-ID: <20000729.194551.-303951.1.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sat, 29 Jul 2000 14:01:16 -0400 "Gary" writes: > I'm not sure about the one second on arc at that distance, but the > correct > 'yardstick' for a parsec is 3.26 light years. I suppose if an ear of > corn > were that far away it would not subtend an angle that large. The > crowd does > note your exposure of Han Solo's use being incorrect. If it had been a TV series, someone would have had a scene where they talked about space flight to Dr. Who Companion or other character whose main purpose is to say "Huh?" with conviction so someone else can launch into plot exposition or other explanations. Han: It gets [X] parsecs past light speed- Dr. Who Companion: Huh? I thought parsecs were a distance thingy. Han: [Looks at DWC as if he can't believe anyone doesn't understand this] Not when you're talking about _how fast_ the ship goes [doesn't add 'you dumb twit' but the thought is implied]. It's short for parsecs per hour. Next Scene: Han is talking to Chewie in the engine room Han: Hey, Chewie, you won't believe this. I finally met someone dimmer than Luke. (Author's note: The opinions expressed by the characters are their own and do not reflect the opinions of the management). Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 20:03:45 -0800 From: "Lysias" To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Parsec {was Orbit} Message-Id: <2035250848964926225@apexmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Gary writes to Judith: >I'm not sure about the one second on arc at that distance, but the corr= ect >'yardstick' for a parsec is 3.26 light years. I suppose if an ear of co= rn >were that far away it would not subtend an angle that large. Well, Judith's definition wasn't quite complete, while I'd say yours was= more a value than a definition. What's Pi? Is it the ratio of a circle's circumference to its radius, or= is it 3.14159265359(and so on)? The definition of a Parsec is the distance at which a point object would= subtend an angle of one second, when the observer moves one astronomica= l unit (the distance between the earth and the sun) perpendicular to the= line of sight. That is, you make a measuremet of the angle to the objec= t, race one AU sideways, then measure the angle again. The difference be= tween the two angles can be used to give you the distance. As for Tachyons... As far as we know, they don't interact with normal ma= tter. So there. Just don't get me started on Neutrino beams! -- Lysias ____________________________________ Get your free full featured email @ http://www.apexmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 22:06:42 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Tachyons Message-ID: <20000729.220643.-487307.0.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thoughts on the Tachyon Funnel: So the name didn't make sense. Maybe Egrorian was one of those scientists who was messing in the lab one day, got a weird effect, even learned how to do something with it, but never actually managed a sound theory to explain the phenomena. Instead, he just spouted a lot of technobabble to try and cover. So it was pretty bad technobabble. What did we expect from him? Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 04:10:43 GMT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Gan-zilla Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed After Judith wrote: Ellynne added: Yes, but remember she was firmly *against* restraining him in the first place ("such things are barbarous" with that glower at Blake), and that when he was out cold so there were no emotions for her to pick up on. Me, I just assume that she was so upset by the restraints, that she was *looking* for an excuse to get rid of the damn things. (She'd learned better by Voice - unfortunately, Vila found a whole new stupid reason to do the same thing ... :-) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 20:38:00 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Avon'a acting Message-ID: <3983A318.3C16@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > OTOH, I don't think his acting the innocent in Gambit can have convinced > Blake for a minute. > > Marian Hell, no! Even without ORAC's sense of timing for reversion to full size. Avon was doing his best impression of a teenage boy having no idea why Dad's car was out of gas when Dad'd filled it on his way home last night. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:01:33 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Avon, Tarrant, Guada Prime Message-ID: <3983A89D.68AC@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > That's Avon's fatalistic streak :-) The possibility that Tarrant could have > survived the crash simply didn't enter his mind. I haven't viewed this tape in a while, but this comment is in line with my interpretation: > There's also the possibility that Avon had persuaded himself to check (and > couldn't do it until he had a flyer to get him there) and that's how he came > in contact with Blake's flyer and ended up following it. They teleported; the ship crashed. Who says they didn't end up off the plateau it crashed on, or on the other side of a canyon, or whatever? Avon quite likely was able to hide ORAC and check on the other's, but hadn't figured out yet how to reach the wreck. Also, on Terminal, there was no one besides Avon and friends to find out what happened after the explosions. Guada Prime, on the other hand, was a populated planet, with plenty of technology. Someone would surely notice a wrecking spaceship. Some one was sure to come. If they were coming to render medical assistance, they could do so better than Avon, especially siince he wasn't carrying medical equipment when he left Scorpio. (Envision if you will, him coming back, finding an injured Tarrant, "Don't die yet, I think I've got most of the pieces of the medical scanner. Once I insert all the chips back in order, and rewire it to get around the missing parts, I should be able to run a diagnostic on you. That should indicate what all of your injuries are, unless that was a really vital component that rolled off intot he flames over there. Then once it's instrcted me how to treat you, I can repair the tissue regenerators and we'll be ready to go in about, say 3 hours, barring any broken fuses.") If the people who would come t othe ship were going for other reasons than rendering assistance, such as making an arrest or tearing the thing apart for salvage, Avon might have been able to help Tarrant by killing the people if he took them by surprise, but he'd have to have awfully good timing to be able to determine their intentions were hostile before Tarrant was beyond his ability to assist. Meanwhile, he had 3 other crewmembers to think of. Soolin, and the attack as they reached the place, had both given him good reasons to think none of them would find Guada Prime a picnic spot. He, with typical Avon mathematics, went to see if 3 crewmembers were safe, rather than 1. > What I find most fascinating about the scene where Avon is willing to > sacrifice himself for Tarrant is Tarrant's change of attitude. In TERMINAL > Tarrant was surprised that Avon came back for him; Tarrant didn't yet realize > that Avon cared about him. By GAMES Tarrant is saying "Avon wouldn't run out > on us." And by BLAKE he realizes that Avon would take over the controls to > allow him to escape. That Avon doesn't deny he was willing to take over the > controls confirms his intent for me. Avon wouldn't stand still for an > "accusation" of altruism if it wasn't true. :) > > Carol Mc Well put, Carol. It was discussions on this lyst that made me realise how Avon and Tarrant's relationship had changed by this point in time. And Tarrant's telling Avon that both of them would die if he released the controls, was the fastest, smartest way of getting him to go. Avon couldn't save Tarrant's life by taking the controls; Avon trusted his evaluation. Better one live than both die; once again, the mathematics of Avon. -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #215 **************************************