From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #223 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/223 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 223 Today's Topics: [B7L] Which ship in Harvest? (was Or [ Ika ] Re: [B7L] Pressure Point [ Ika ] Re: [B7L] Vinni (was Slave and Think [ Ika ] Re: [B7L] Avon and Explosives [ "Dana Shilling" ] Re: [B7L] Parsec {was Orbit} [ Lisa Williams ] [B7L] Fanfic on the web [ Mac4781@aol.com ] [B7L] Mythmaker tapes [ Mac4781@aol.com ] [B7L] New zines, A-Z [ "Sarah Thompson" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Which ship in Harvest? (was Orbit) Message-Id: <200008061543.QAA00311@smtp.uk2net.com> Me: > > > >And why are the rooms she's in in 'Harvest', when she appears to be on the > >doughnut (correct me if I'm wrong) so much smaller than the doughnut rooms > are > >in 'Trial', 'Star One' etc? Gnog: > I always imagined that she was on the ugly looking Platypus shaped > Federation cruiser in Harvest, not the doughnut. Just MHO. > Yeah, I thought that too but then I wondered how they managed to fit a construction crew on the said platypus. I can't remember how big that ship is (that's the one she's in in 'Children of Auron', isn't it?) but I didn't think it was big enough for that. Although otoh the doughnut probably doesn't move. Or does it? Love, Ika ---------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using http://uk2.net NEWS - CHEAPEST DEDICATED SERVERS IN THE WORLD - 29/month UK's FREE Domains, FREE Dialup, FREE Webdesign, FREE email ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 17:35:08 GMT From: Ika To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Pressure Point Message-Id: <200008061635.RAA05229@smtp.uk2net.com> Ellyne: > Well, not through normal evolution and adaptation. No, this is a clear > case of genetic engineering, probably resulting in the little talked > about 'fashion wars' in which all purses were done away but rebelious > souls adapted. This is the _real_ reason Servalan never carries a purse > or credit card (That, and her desire to make it clearly understood she's > not _paying_ for anything [Oh, no, I have just made an argument for Blake > and all other good, little rebels to carry overly cute handbags as a > political statement. "So, Avon, which do you think really says 'I'm a > tough, nonconformist. Don't mess with me.'? The pink one with the pearl > snap or the little macrame number with the glittery beadwork?"]). > Dana? Cue fanfic, please(Pink Handbag Avon)? :) Hey, do Judith's Avon dolls come with accessories? Love, Ika ---------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using http://uk2.net NEWS - CHEAPEST DEDICATED SERVERS IN THE WORLD - 29/month UK's FREE Domains, FREE Dialup, FREE Webdesign, FREE email ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 17:37:24 GMT From: Ika To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Vinni (was Slave and Thinking) Message-Id: <200008061637.RAA05298@smtp.uk2net.com> Betty: > > > Um, drifting a bit from B7 here... OK, what do people think about > > Vinni? Or the Avalon android? They both seem to have passed the Turing > > test... > Judith: > > Vinni was far more advanced. It thought it was human. I wondered if they'd > found a way of using a human brain print and mapping it onto the android. > Deathwatch is straight after Moloch, no? Is the timescale too tight for Servalan to have be using the technology from whatever the planet in Moloch is called (which could map a human brain print onto another human, so probably also onto an android)? Though why I bother trying to make sense of the B7 timeline is beyond me. Love, Ika ---------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using http://uk2.net NEWS - CHEAPEST DEDICATED SERVERS IN THE WORLD - 29/month UK's FREE Domains, FREE Dialup, FREE Webdesign, FREE email ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 15:06:40 -0400 From: "Dana Shilling" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon and Explosives Message-ID: <00d701bfffdc$a6a85180$a5684e0c@dshilling> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In response to Helen: > > Speaking of the bombs the rebels use, which of them was the demolitions > expert? Or did the rebels work together to create the bombs? "Working together' is not really their strong suit, is it? >I expect Avon would be quite > able to do the timing device, but Vila or Jenna would be the only 1st > season characters who I can picture having had much need for explosive > before. 1. When the scriptwriters can't think of anything else, they have Avon tinker around with something, so he probably built those too 2. Although my partiality on this subject is notorious, it seems to me that Avon would be good at building bombs in much the same way that he's a good shot--i.e., once he decided he was going to be in repeated situations calling for demolitions and handgun fire, he would practice until hhe got it down right. 3. Mind you, some of those plot holes could have been blasted by his prentice efforts. -(Y) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 17:12:19 -0600 From: Betty Ragan To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Twould have improved it no end ... Message-ID: <398DF0D3.EBECD5F7@sdc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally Manton wrote: > Duel - the person chosen to 'demonstrate the death of a friend' is Vilakins. Oh, yeah, that would have been fun. Avon would have been fun, too (although then we would have missed some lovely moments on the ship). I do like the scene with Blake and Jenna in the tree, though. > Harvest of Kairos - Avon, Tarrant or Jarvik - I don't care which - has > screaming arachnophobia. Jarvik! Please, Jarvik! > Assassin - 'tis obvious. Scorpio got distracted and My Darling got sold. > Alternately, Avon acted within character and shot Piri twelve minutes after > meeting her (of course, this would have made for a much shorter episode ...) Which some might argue would not necessarily be a bad thing... :) So, Sally, you gonna write up some of these alternative episode versions? Hmmmm? I vote for starting with "Voice from the Past." :) -- Betty Ragan ** ragan@sdc.org ** http://www.sdc.org/~ragan/ "Imposing Latin rules on English structure is a little like trying to play baseball in ice skates." -- Bill Bryson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 18:16:29 -0500 From: Lisa Williams To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Parsec {was Orbit} Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000806181422.00af0840@mail.dallas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Neil Faulkner wrote: >This suggests that trying to initiate such a discussion in the first place >might be a fruitless exercise[2]. > >[2] in the case of a subneutronic overlap shift, this is literally true. Is this because the collapsed hypothetical wave packet behind the fridge has eaten all the fruit on its way there? - Lisa -- _____________________________________________________________ Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@raytheon.com Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/ From Eroica With Love: http://eroicafans.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 20:02:36 EDT From: Mac4781@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, freedom-city@blakes-7.org, DownandSafe@egroups.com Subject: [B7L] Fanfic on the web Message-ID: <7e.899ebde.26bf569c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sheila Paulson has archived some of her fanfic on the web. It can be found at: http://members.aol.com/Venkie/rgb/rgb.htm Click on "other fanfiction." The stories are "Tribute" (second season) (Gambit 10) and "A Case of Deja Vu" (PGP) (Input 4). She says she'll put up additional stories if there is a demand, so be sure to let her know if you want to see more. Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 20:27:27 EDT From: Mac4781@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, freedom-city@blakes-7.org Subject: [B7L] Mythmaker tapes Message-ID: <10.96b8f5.26bf5c6f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Last week I mentioned a possible NTSC source for the B7 Mythmaker tapes (only one out to date is the Jacqueline Pearce one). I've not learned more about that source, but I have learned that Horizon is able to provide NTSC copies. Be sure to specify which format you want, PAL or NTSC, when ordering from Horizon. Prices and ordering information: http://www.horizon.org.uk/merchandise/videos/MythMakersvideos/ Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 01:04:31 -0700 From: "Sarah Thompson" To: Cc: Subject: [B7L] New zines, A-Z Message-ID: <000f01c00046$3e375be0$f0aecdcf@y1i7s9> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit For anyone who's wondering whether to get the two latest B7 fan publications (that I know of), here's a detailed list of what's in them. I recommend both. Ordering info is on Judith's website and the Avon Club's site. I do believe that the Avon Club newsletter is the longest-running B7 fan publication (in terms of number of issues) of all time. AVON NEWSLETTER #74 Editor: Ann Bown (Basingstoke, Hampshire) Date: May 2000 Format: A5 digest, 44 pp. + 1 p. insert, white card cover printed in full color, center staples Fiction: Gillian Puddle, "Prediction" (S2, post-Orac; A) Marian de Haan, "A Suitable Pet" (S1) Josie McCall, "The Price of Silence" (S4; A-ocf) Nonfiction: Ann, Jackie, Sue, Maureen, and Helen, editorial Paul Darrow, "From: Paul" "Sue Chadwick Writes" (on fiction publications and quiz) Helen Parkinson, "The Strangerers" (TV review) "News" (on merchandise) "Paul Darrow Live on beeb.com" (transcript of interview) Helen Parkinson, "Book Review: 'A History and Critical Analysis of "Blake's 7", the 1978-1981 British Television Space Adventure' by John Kenneth Muir" Judith Proctor, "Blake's 7 Trivia-- First Season" "Code Breaker 2 Quiz" Sarah Egginton, "Avon: A Terrible Addiction" (essay) Judith Proctor, "Standing on the Flight Deck" (article on flight deck set; see longer article in ZENITH) "'Together Again' Tapes Available from the Club" Sarah Thompson, "Zine Review: Avon Millenium Special" "Letters of Comment" "Raffle" "Audio Tapes for Sale" "Avon Merchandise" Ads for clubs, fanzines, conventions "Ann O'Neill, SRN" (obituary of fan) Art: color photos cover Avon fantasy p. 5 PD in Strangerers p. 26 "Seven" tape cast p. 35 audio tape covers inside back c. Ann O'Neill b/w photo p. 9 Avon fantasy Helen Lyon p. 30 Avon (raffle prize) ZENITH Editor: Alan Stevens Design & Layout: Andy Hopkinson Production Manager: Judith Proctor Date: [June 2000] Format: A4, 76 pp. incl. covers, full-color wraparound cover, center staples Fiction: Nickey Barnard and Alan Stevens, "Rotten to the Core" ("The Logic of Empire" universe; S5; ocs) Nonfiction: Andy & Alan, "Forward" Una McCormack, "Destined 2 Fail?" (essay on BBC reruns) Sheelagh Wells, "Strangerer Days" (article on her makeup work for "The Strangerers") Joe Nazzaro, "Exploring the CD Side of Life" (interview with Paul Darrow on "The Strangerers") Fiona Moore, "Hell Is Full of Avons" (humor; future films and shows) Judith Proctor, "7 on 4" (article on filming of "Collector's Lot," with much info on costumes) Julian Porter, "An Interview with Vere Lorrimer" (conducted in 1990) "Vere Lorrimer 1920-1998" (short biography) "Reviews-- Audio-- The Together Again Series" Jim Smith, "Blake's Back!" Claire Fisher, "Liberatored!" Leslie Scott-Harris, "Action!" Phillippa Bennett, "Kingmaker" Judith Proctor, "Elements" Judith Proctor, "Solstice" Fiona Moore, "Seven" Jim Smith, "Spotlight on Trial: Savage Thinking Animals" (episode review) Alan Stevens, "Trial: The Missing Evidence" (comparison of first draft and final script) Alan Stevens, "Lock, Stock & Two Smoking Fingers" (interview with Brian Croucher) untitled bio of Brian Croucher Dianna Firmin, "Travis: The Empty Room" (essay on Travis's motivations) Alan Stevens, "Peter Miles: A Man of Many Deaths" (interview with the actor who played Rontane in SLD and Trial, on his various SF roles) untitled bio of Peter Miles Judith Proctor, "Seek--Locate--Enjoy" (article on trip to Oldham Power Station, location for Time Squad, Redemption, and Killer) Pete Wallbank, "Tall, Dark & Gruesome" (autobiography of SF artist) Fiona Moore, "There's a Hole in Your Plotline" (essay on story arcs) ads for zines, clubs, cons, tapes, etc. Art: Pete Wallbank cover Tr2 (color) pp. 46-7 Tr2 p. 64 self-portrait p. 65 Tr2, DW art p. 66 art for audio covers p. 67 GP cartoon; Avengers art p. 68 DW art w/ Colin Baker p. 69 DW art Nik Spender p. 41 Tr2, cariacture p. 73 illo for "Rotten" Photos on almost every page.  ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 02:15:06 -0600 From: Penny Dreadful To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Time (was Re: Vinni) Message-Id: <4.1.20000807020712.009e77d0@mail.powersurfr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:37 PM 8/6/00 +0000, Ika wrote: >Though why I bother trying to make sense of the B7 timeline is beyond me. FTL travel is functionally equivalent to using a "time machine", right? Therefore I figure in any SF universe wherein FTL travel exists, any concept of "timeline" or concrete Cause and Effect can be dispensed with cavalierly if it's getting in one's way. -- For A Dread Time, Call Penny: http://members.tripod.com/~Penny_Dreadful/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 02:22:47 -0600 From: Penny Dreadful To: freedom-city@blakes-7.org Cc: Subject: Re: [B7L] New zines, A-Z Message-Id: <4.1.20000807021847.009e1c10@mail.powersurfr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:04 AM 8/7/00 -0700, Sarah Thompson wrote: >For anyone who's wondering whether to get the two latest B7 fan >publications (that I know of), here's a detailed list of what's >in them. But!!! you didn't mention *Page 42* (which has singlehandedly sold at *least* 2 copies of "Zenith") ;-p. --Penny, Campaigning For More Skin ______________________________ "No rules, no naps, no shoes!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:46:43 +0100 From: Alison Page To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" Subject: FC: Re: [B7L] New zines, A-Z Message-ID: <21B0197931E1D211A26E0008C79F6C4AB0C6D2@BRAMLEY> Content-Type: text/plain Penny said - >>But!!! you didn't mention *Page 42* (which has singlehandedly sold at *least* 2 copies of "Zenith") ;-p. Three. Bloody inspiring. In fact Brian Croucher throughout is absolutely gorgeous I'll take the opportunity to recommend Zenith to anyone who thinks their taste might coincide with mine at all. I'm not a huge zine-consumer, but I thoroughly enjoyed this. Good production values, interesting and intelligent content, nice pictures. One gripe - four of the pages were blank, when they should evidently have had content (from the page numbering). Was that a common thing, or just a glitch in the copy I got? Alison ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 03:12:42 -0600 From: Penny Dreadful To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: FC: Re: [B7L] New zines, A-Z Message-Id: <4.1.20000807030436.00955230@mail.powersurfr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:46 AM 8/7/00 +0100, Alison Page wrote: >Bloody inspiring. In fact Brian Croucher throughout is absolutely >gorgeous Alison Page, I hereby bestow upon you the title of FINALACT Acolyte Extrordinaire, thereby exempting you from *any and all* future Teletubbies Festivals and/or Karaoke Exhibitions. Let the crowd (hereafter known as Jacqueline) say A-a-amen!!! Amen! High Priestess Penny -- For A Dread Time, Call Penny: http://members.tripod.com/~Penny_Dreadful/ ------------------------------ Date: 07 Aug 2000 11:38:28 +0200 From: Calle Dybedahl To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Wardrobe room Message-ID: <86bsz5xvfv.fsf@tezcatlipoca.algonet.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>>> "Julie" == Julie Horner writes: > Why do you think there is a Wardrobe Room? From "Cygnus Alpha": AVON: Where did you get the clothes. JENNA: I found a room full of them down there. Why don't you go and have a look? -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se "Just about anything can be done if you are demented enough." -- Christopher C. Petro, scary.devil.monastery ------------------------------ Date: 07 Aug 2000 12:12:12 +0200 From: Calle Dybedahl To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Slave and Thinking Message-ID: <8666pdxtvn.fsf@tezcatlipoca.algonet.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>>> "Una" == Una McCormack writes: > Have people ever done the Turing test and failed it? Yes. Some people I know personally have, in a test we did on a MUD a bunch of years ago. One of the submitted programs had people thinking it was a human for, on average, 45 minutes (it used a number of clever psychological tricks, but was in no way "intelligent"). Some people were rejected as programs after only two or three sentences :-) -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se "No one expects the waterbuffalos of packet loss!" -- simes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 14:35:03 +0200 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: FC: Re: [B7L] New zines, A-Z Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000807143151.00a7fc30@pop3.wish.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:12 7-8-00, Penny Dreadful wrote: >Alison Page, I hereby bestow upon you the title of FINALACT Acolyte >Extrordinaire, thereby exempting you from *any and all* future Teletubbies >Festivals and/or Karaoke Exhibitions. Let the crowd (hereafter known as >Jacqueline) say A-a-amen!!! A-a-amen. A-a-amen. A-amen, Amen, Amen. BTW, I don't remember four empty pages, so I think Alison was deprived of four pages of Zenith. Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 04:50:26 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: FC: Re: [B7L] New zines, A-Z Message-ID: <398EA281.9F635593@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jacqueline Thijsen wrote: > At 11:12 7-8-00, Penny Dreadful wrote: > >Alison Page, I hereby bestow upon you the title of FINALACT Acolyte > >Extrordinaire, thereby exempting you from *any and all* future Teletubbies > >Festivals and/or Karaoke Exhibitions. Let the crowd (hereafter known as > >Jacqueline) say A-a-amen!!! > > A-a-amen. A-a-amen. A-amen, Amen, Amen. Ooh, Jacqueline, I didn't know you could sing, too! Together now: See the babe B. Croucher (A-a-amen) Modelling the swimwear (A-a-amen) In the middle of Zenith! (A-amen, Amen, Amen.) Sing it over... Mistral (I just know I'm gonna regret this...) -- "Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!" --Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:52:33 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: FC: Re: [B7L] New zines, A-Z Message-ID: <03e701c0007f$cbd2f2a0$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jacqueline wrote: > > BTW, I don't remember four empty pages, so I think Alison was deprived of > four pages of Zenith. Nor I - give Andy a shout, Alison, I'm sure you can get a replacement copy. Una ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:55:10 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Slave and Thinking Message-ID: <03e901c0007f$cc981760$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Calle wrote: > >>>>> "Una" == Una McCormack writes: > > > Have people ever done the Turing test and failed it? > > Yes. Some people I know personally have, in a test we did on a MUD a > bunch of years ago. One of the submitted programs had people thinking > it was a human for, on average, 45 minutes (it used a number of clever > psychological tricks, but was in no way "intelligent"). Some people > were rejected as programs after only two or three sentences :-) That's very pleasing! Una ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:45:30 +0100 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Pressure Point Message-ID: In message <200008061635.RAA05229@smtp.uk2net.com>, Ika writes >Dana? Cue fanfic, please(Pink Handbag Avon)? :) > >Hey, do Judith's Avon dolls come with accessories? No. Although I'm highly tempted to model a pink handbag to add to my model of fourth series black leather clad maniac fanning a blaster as if it's a Colt. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #223 **************************************