From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #237 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/237 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 237 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Re: Why not Blake II [ "Marian de Haan" ] Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? [ "Marian de Haan" ] Re: [B7L] Re: Why not Blake II [ "Dana Shilling" ] Re: [B7L] Liberator space travel [ "Ellynne G." ] Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? [ "Ellynne G." ] Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? [ Kathryn Andersen ] Re: [B7L] Liberator space travel [ "Neil Faulkner" ] Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? [ "Sally Manton" ] Re: The Jacket (was Re: [B7L] FC: Ne [ Ika ] Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? [ Jacqueline Thijsen To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Why not Blake II Message-ID: <004201c00c60$63152de0$bbed72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve Rogerson wrote: >Oh god, then we'd all be seriously confused. But I do agree, it would be an option to have a new Blake (I mean they did it with Travis and we weren'r meant to notice) But we *did* notice :-) That's something that's always bothering me: what were they thinking at the BBC? They get an actor who looks totally different from his predecessor - up to the eye colour - and expect us *not* to notice. Did they think no-one would look further than the eye patch? Or was it simply a disregard for the audience? >so using plastic surgery of some sort would work. > >If they had have thought of that at the start of series three and decided to go with it, then Steve Pacey would have ended up playing Blake and not Tarrant. A bit of plastic surgery wouldn't be a bad idea for someone who's face has been shown on television - or whatever they have - all over the Federation (assuming they gave the greatest possible publicity to his renouncing his Cause). But I can't imagine Blake being vain enough to want to end up looking 25 years younger. :-) Marian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:46:47 +0200 From: "Marian de Haan" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? Message-ID: <004901c00c60$fe4b10e0$bbed72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally wrote: >What one sees as chemistry is a very personal thing. After all, I see abolutely *none* - not a skerrick, not an atom - between Avon and Servalan, but I'm very much a minority of one, I think ... Thank you, Sally. Hating Servalan, especially when she's kissing Avon :-), I don't *want* to see any chemistry between them. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:53:09 -0400 From: "Dana Shilling" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Why not Blake II Message-ID: <007501c00c63$03b89d20$2a604e0c@dshilling> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve Rogerson said: > If they had have thought of that at the start of series three and > decided to go with it, then Steve Pacey would have ended up playing > Blake and not Tarrant. And, considering that Tarrant was supposed to be older anyway, Gareth Thomas could have guest-starred as Tarrant (Inga's cousin?) -(Y) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 02:51:51 -0500 From: "Reuben Herfindahl" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: Travis I or II was Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? Message-Id: <200008221957.OAA29561@athena.host4u.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ---------- >From: Penny Dreadful >To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se >Subject: Re: Travis I or II was Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? >Date: Tue, Aug 22, 2000, 3:45 AM > > At 01:15 PM 8/21/00 +0000, huh@ccm.net wrote: > >>> Now this makes me wonder if those lyst members who prefer Travis II saw S2 >>> before they did S1? I like the theory that we prefer the one we saw first, >>> but of course I may be totally wrong. I've heard the theory applied to Doctor Who as well. It doesn't hold water in that case as Davison was my first Doctor and I'm more of a Pertwee/McCoy fan. In B7's case it does hold true. I watched the whole run in order (studiously avoiding spoilers), and I much prefer Travis I (he just seems so much more evil). Reuben reuben@reuben.net http://www.reuben.net/blake/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:11:40 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Liberator space travel Message-ID: <20000822.155954.-76063.0.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:15:51 -0400 "Christine+Steve" writes: > Neil Faulkner wrote on August 20, 2000 @ 3:35 PM remember when Jenna first hit the acceleration > button on > the Liberator? Everyone's face showed the G Force effects. I don't > ever > remember seeing that again - but that could be more the > responsibility of > the episode's director. Actually, it was the responsibility of one of those unaired scenes where Avon said, "Jenna, see the switch labelled 'shock absorbers'? Next time, leave it in the on position." Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:19:34 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Liberator space travel Message-ID: <20000822.155954.-76063.1.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just to toss in my two cents worth, I think galaxy _must_ have been used in another context. Since 'galaxy' doesn't get thrown out too often in ways that make creative excuses necessary, I'll assume this is either an archaic or hick phrase, not part of everyday speech. It's probably short for something like 'galactic sectors,' refering to some kind of astronomical divisions or maybe some kind of 'galaxy divisions,' refering to political or administrative divisions. Since both Travis and Blake use it, it's more likely to be archaic than hick or slang, but you never know. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:59:51 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? Message-ID: <20000822.155954.-76063.2.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 07:39:57 +1000 Kathryn Andersen writes: > > Yes. Exactly. Precisely. I'd rather have no B7 than bad B7. > Caught between seeing the actors reprise their roles with an extra twenty years attached and never seeing any new B7 again, I'm not sure that I wouldn't mind seeing new B7 with new people. After all, Harrison Ford did it for The Fugitive. But, you're right, odds are we'd only get a bad remake that thought using the same names would blind us to the fact none of the characters were remotely similar. Besides, I really can't see Harrison Ford playing Avon. This brings up a side issue. Some roles can be played by people with different appearances and it might not make any overall difference (I know I'm oversimplyfying, let me get to the point). In B7, OTOH, it's hard to imagine certain things not being there- Avon: The coloring is essential. It just radiates his icy coolness and a certain harshness. _No one_ with anything remotely suggesting warm colors in their complexion should ever play him. As for the build, this is important. Avon's supposed to be capable of handling himself in a fight (and we shouldn't be too surprised when he wins) but he'd much rather out-think an opponent than out-fight them. A sort of cat-like strength. Blake: Warm colors work with him for the very reasons they don't work with Avon. Eyes may be warm brown but brown-black should be avoided. Curly hair is not too fashionable at present, but it has somehow often been associated with passion and feeling, which suits him. His build being heavier than Avon's also seems important. Blake has more presence than Avon, and a heavier build also suggests how he is so much likelier to get directly, physically involved. Vila: Since Michael Keating isn't actually shorter than Paul Darrow, I don't know if I'm undercutting my argument here, but Vila should be played by someone who can at least suggest smallness and a certain mousiness. Tarrant: Needs a certain physical presence, and contrasting with Avon helps. Not sure that anything else hits the essential list. Gan: Needs to be big. For the rest, I'm not sure that appearance was all that essential. I think Jenna could have been played by a redhead or even a brunette. It wasn't so important with her that she look like she could win a fight as it was for her to look like she knew she could win a fight and look ready to prove it - even if she was played by a petite woman under five feet (so long as the actress could radiate tough as opposed to feisty). Cally's warm coloring helped contrast her with you-know-who, but I'm not sure that was essential to her character. Other than that, her initial appearance as a relatively tough guerilla was in direct contrast to her build and all that. Dayna: Youth was important, but I don't think appearance was a key element. The actress would have to look credible using bows and spears. Anyone who throws like a girl need not apply. Soolin: OK, her appearance seems semi-important. I can't imagine a non-icy blonde in this role. That may not mean it couldn't be played by one, but I can't quite see it. Also, Soolin's minor hair obsession seems to say something about her personality, that vague suggestion that she spends more time deciding on hair clips than on whether or not to shoot, that she hasn't met a homicidal maniac yet who caused her as much trouble as a bad hair day. But I'm probably just kidding myself. It's nice to dream about a cast recapturing the old magic, but I just don't see it happening. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:55:38 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? Message-ID: <20000823065538.B13544@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 01:56:01PM +0200, Jeroen J. Kwast wrote: > > Jeroen: > > nothing / news b7> > > > Kathryn: > > > Yes. Exactly. Precisely. I'd rather have no B7 than bad B7. > > > > I don't mean bad B7. It doesn't have to be the same angle. We know the actors > are older now so they won't come back. If we use new cast then mucho people of > this list don't want to watch it! (I'll take a peek though :)) Yes, but considering what happened with the radio plays, *bad* B7 is the only B7 we're going to get. Kathryn Andersen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "And you were right. That must be a novel experience for you." -- Kerr Avon to Vila Restal (Blake's 7: Killer [B7]) -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://www.foobox.net/~kat \_.--.*/ | http://jove.prohosting.com/~rubykat v | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 20:52:24 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Liberator space travel Message-ID: <010501c00c72$a5ada6c0$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Christine+Steve > > What this appears to show is that even a simple bit of background detail > > such as this was not decided in advance, and that Nation and Boucher had > > some rather different ideas when it came to making a decision. I know > whose > > side I'm on. > > Personally I would have thought that once this was established by Terry > Nation at the start, then it should have stuck. Ideally I would like to operate on a 'first reference takes precedence' principle, but it doesn't seem to work a lot of the time. So I opt for 'most information takes precedence', which is why, for example, I take Children of Auron as being the definitive source for info on Cally's background because it tells us more than anything preceding it. >There isn't the series continuity there should be Tell me about it! > (Was Boucher the script editor on series 1?). (Yup.) Neil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:39:14 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: The Jacket Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Sally Manton" >a truly memorable ditty (so memorable that Sally found herself singing it >at work). Mea culpa, Sally, mea maxima culpa. Aren't you glad that I've no intention of adding further verses? Given what happens in "Running Bear", that would mean Avon and The Jacket would have to come to a sticky end at the same time, and we can't have that, can we? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:06:27 -0600 From: Penny Dreadful To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Plastic Surgery Disasters (was Re: Why not Blake II) Message-Id: <4.1.20000822184320.0093abe0@mail.powersurfr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:42 PM 8/22/00 +0200, Marian de Haan wrote: >A bit of plastic surgery wouldn't be a bad idea for someone who's face has >been shown on television - or whatever they have - all over the Federation >(assuming they gave the greatest possible publicity to his renouncing his >Cause). The more publicity they gave his face then, I'd think the more reason he'd have for wanting to keep said face unaltered now--as living proof that he fought the law and *he* won (relatively speaking)--despite the risk of being bounty-hunted. Same reason, I imagine, why he struts into unknown territory cheerfully announcing "the name's Blake, Roj Blake". -- For A Dread Time, Call Penny: http://members.tripod.com/~Penny_Dreadful/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:38:17 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? Message-ID: <001f01c00c6d$1032b0e0$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Marian de Haan > Now this makes me wonder if those lyst members who prefer Travis II saw S2 > before they did S1? I like the theory that we prefer the one we saw first, > but of course I may be totally wrong. So, members of FINAL ACT and others, > please satisfy my curiosity. I watched every episode, bar The Web, on first transmission, yet ultimately I prefer Travis II. However, this is at least partly because the 2nd Season is ever so slightly better than the 1st, with eps by Boucher and Holmes as well as Nation. However, the "first seen is favourite" theory does seem to hold up for Doctor Who. Three of us once discussed who our All Time Favourite Doctor was. As the youngest, I went for Tom Baker (I'm old enough to have seen a few Pertwee episodes, but I didn't watch the series regularly until Baker's 2nd season). A slightly older guy went for Pertwee. But the oldest of all declared himself a stalwart Patrick Troughton devotee, and for all I know still does. Mind you, this discussion was before Colin Baker stepped in to become my All Time Favourite Doctor, and he still is insofar as I care about the series at all. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 23:54:14 -0500 From: "huh" To: Subject: Re: Travis I or II was Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? Message-ID: <009601c00cbe$302933a0$5d64e0d1@0z4g4> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I've heard the theory applied to Doctor Who as well. It doesn't hold water > in that case as Davison was my first Doctor and I'm more of a Pertwee/McCoy > fan. As to Doctor Who- Tom Baker was my first doctor and while he is a favorite I like Peter Davison quite a lot, have enjoyed Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy too. Have never cared much for Pertwee and have seen too few Troughton and Hartnell episodes for an accurate ranking though prefer the little of them I've seen to Pertwee. So in that show's case it didn't matter who I saw first and I could enjoy any actor in the role as long as I liked the script. Not sure this would apply to B7 though I do like both Travis I and II though I think I liked the episodes II has been in more hence would always enjoy the II character more than the I character. ) > In B7's case it does hold true. I watched the whole run in order > (studiously avoiding spoilers), and I much prefer Travis I (he just seems so > much more evil). more evil but much more dull. and it isn't that I dislike the actor- I like him just fine he's a better actor. guess I just like the exaggeration of later characterization. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 20:43:47 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Liberator space travel Message-ID: <010401c00c72$a47f8700$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Iain Coleman > > I am not sure that the series ever established how much of the Milky > > Way humans had explored, so it may be that the Federation is confined > > to the rim of the Galaxy closet to the path taken by the Andromedans. > > That seems right to me. Surely that would depend on what direction Andromeda lies relative to our galaxy. If anyone did make a beeline for our galaxy from Andromeda, which bit would they hit first? > > > Might it be easier for the Federation to send expeditions to some of > > the companion dwarf galaxies of the Milky Way than to reach the > > opposite edge of the Milky Way itself? > > Possibly. However, I doubt they even got that far. Even such limited > intergalactic travel involves much greater distances than interstellar > travel. Travis' annoying remark in Duel might refer to a globular cluster on or just beyond the galactic rim, which would be more accessible than the the Magellanic Clouds. But if so, (a) why did he call it a 'galaxy; and (b) why the hell did Blake go there in the first place? >I get the impression that the > Federation is centred on Earth, and has the Galactic rim as one of its > edges. In that case, it's a few kiloparsecs across. This gives us a > reasonable size of empire for a civilisation with reasonably swift > interstellar travel, as the typical distance between stars is a parsec or > so. If you can travel a few parsecs per day, interstellar travel becomes > routine, long-term interstellar cruises are feasible and interesting (as > in 'Gold'), and the edge of the Galaxy is at about the outer limit for > imperial control, being a few year's travel away. Pretty much the rationale I used when calculating possible ship speeds, which just goes to show that great minds think alike. And so do mine and Iain's. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:48:08 +0200 From: Steve Kilbane To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Why not Blake II Message-Id: <200008222048.VAA08629@whitecrow.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sally wrote: > Somehow, one cannot imagine one's Hero taking time out to have *that* > serious a facelift ... Easily explainable: a bad accident, no time to waste recovering his original face - what's in the data banks of the surgical machine? And Blake's *face* was hardly important - it was his *name* everyone recognised. (funny how no-one said "Blake? You're 'aving a larf, mate" and told him to sod off.) steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 20:34:41 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? Message-ID: <010201c00c72$a0f6ae60$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: > > >Avon, like Dr Who or Iago, could be played by anyone with an Equity card > > >and a pulse. > > > > Iain, we here at FINALACT have Big Plans that require you to be Pope, and > > here you are trying for Sainthood instead. > > But the two are not mutually exclusive. Many Popes have been canonized, > starting with St. Peter. ;-) But not many Popes have played Avon, though. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:25:11 +0100 (BST) From: Iain Coleman To: b7 Subject: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, Neil Faulkner wrote: > From: > > > > But the two are not mutually exclusive. Many Popes have been canonized, > > starting with St. Peter. ;-) > > But not many Popes have played Avon, though. Ah, but in my ongoing one-man Robbie Coltrane For Avon campaign, I must note that Coltrane has played the Pope, and is thus ideal casting for Avon. Iain ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:55:21 GMT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Marian wrote: I came in early in S2, but can't honestly say I have any recollection of Travis at *all* ... I like them both, but have to say I prefer Travis 1 overall. OTOH, looking at individual episodes ... Trial would be just as good with either, methinks (it, Project Avalon and Star One are pretty much Travii-proof), and Voice doesn't matter 'cause who can tell under that lot? Duel wouldn't work with Travis 2 (he really is *not* a physical match for Blake, okay we all know who's going to win, but let's not make it too blatant :-)) Hostage would be a *hell* of a lot better with Travis 1, BC just overdoes the Victorian melodrama villain here; but Gambit wouldn't work *at all* with SG's dourer version of the character. JMO ... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:06:39 -0400 From: "Christine+Steve" To: "B7 Mailing List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? Message-ID: <006e01c00cfa$aaa56fe0$c9069ad8@cgorman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Iain Coleman added : > On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, Neil Faulkner wrote: > > > From: > > > > > > But the two are not mutually exclusive. Many Popes have been canonized, > > > starting with St. Peter. ;-) > > > > But not many Popes have played Avon, though. > > Ah, but in my ongoing one-man Robbie Coltrane For Avon campaign, I must > note that Coltrane has played the Pope, and is thus ideal casting for > Avon. I'd love to see John de Lancie try out for Avon, he's got a great sneer. Steve Dobson. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 20:36:53 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? Message-ID: <010301c00c72$a3948ac0$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sally Manton > What one sees as chemistry is a very personal thing. After all, I see > abolutely *none* - not a skerrick, not an atom - between Avon and Servalan, > but I'm very much a minority of one, I think ... Good news - you are not alone. Bad news - it's me you're not alone with. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 04:50:41 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? Message-ID: <39A3BA90.A06B5265@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil Faulkner wrote: > From: Sally Manton > > What one sees as chemistry is a very personal thing. After all, I see > > abolutely *none* - not a skerrick, not an atom - between Avon and > Servalan, > > but I'm very much a minority of one, I think ... > > Good news - you are not alone. > > Bad news - it's me you're not alone with. Er... it's worse than that, I'm afraid ;-) But then, I can't bear Servalan post Star-One. Mistral -- "Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!" --Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:37:12 -0400 From: "Christine+Steve" To: "B7 Mailing List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Liberator space travel Message-ID: <00df01c00cfe$f042a5a0$c9069ad8@cgorman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Neil Faulkner wrote : > > > > > (Was Boucher the script editor on series 1?). > > (Yup.) Does anyone know what the working relationship was like between Nation and Boucher? I've just finished reading both Trek Memoirs books by Bill Shatner, which reveals how badly Roddenberry felt and reacted when Nick Meyer and Harve Bennett came onboard for the movies and put their own spin on Roddenberry's creation (which was damm good in my mind - Trek's 2 and 6 are great movies). I'm guessing Nation's decision to stop working on B7 was his own. Steve Dobson. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 04:55:04 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? Message-ID: <39A3BB97.A406D45B@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathryn Andersen wrote: > > > Yes. Exactly. Precisely. I'd rather have no B7 than bad B7. > > > > > > > I don't mean bad B7. It doesn't have to be the same angle. We know the actors > > are older now so they won't come back. If we use new cast then mucho people of > > this list don't want to watch it! (I'll take a peek though :)) > > Yes, but considering what happened with the radio plays, *bad* B7 is > the only B7 we're going to get. It really makes one think that TPTB don't understand what made B7 popular at all, doesn't it? (Then again, maybe the fourth series was all the proof of that that was needed.) Mistral -- "Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!" --Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Aug 2000 15:06:28 +0200 From: Calle Dybedahl To: "B7 Mailing List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? Message-ID: <86u2cc9lez.fsf@tezcatlipoca.algonet.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>>> "Christine+Steve" == Christine+Steve writes: > I'd love to see John de Lancie try out for Avon, he's got a great sneer. And just imagine the crossover potential. -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se "Last week was a nightmare, never to be repeated - until this week" -- Tom, a.s.r ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 05:28:44 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? Message-ID: <39A3C37B.9F50C263@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marian de Haan wrote: > Now this makes me wonder if those lyst members who prefer Travis II saw S2 > before they did S1? I like the theory that we prefer the one we saw first, > but of course I may be totally wrong. So, members of FINAL ACT and others, > please satisfy my curiosity. I'm afraid I'll never be allowed into FINALACT, because I like both Travii (they are so different! how can you say one is better?), but if I _had_ to choose one, I'd choose Travis II. I started at S1 and went straight through (though that may not mean anything, I wasn't enjoying it until about Deliverance), but it was Trial where Brian Croucher really made me sit up and take notice. Though I'm sure the ep would have been just as good with Stephen Greif, I don't think he'd have ever made me feel sympathetic towards Travis; it's only now after having seen Croucher's version that I'm able to find reasons to like Travis I. Mistral -- "Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!" --Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 05:47:49 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: The Jacket (was Re: [B7L] FC: New frame captures) Message-ID: <39A3C7F4.20F13EC7@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally wrote: > and its labels;> > > Yes, that's all very well, Mistral (and the Silver Alpha outfit was worth > it) but someone should have un-freed him before he found that Lobster Top. ROTFL! AFAIC, the red should be thrown out entirely, along with the brown stuff. Then we could have more of the silver, and the dark blue (about which my only complaint is that one generally can't tell that it's blue). Though, if I were in a crowd and somebody shouted 'Avon!', I'd probably be looking around for the grey jacket, as that's what generally comes to mind for some odd reason (odd because it's not a particular fave). Does anybody else automatically think of any particular characters in particular costumes? (Series costumes, as opposed to, say, Vila in a bunny rabbit outfit.) Mistral -- "Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!" --Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:30:33 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? Message-ID: <39A3D1F8.B6FCD817@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally wrote: > As Iain says, you *could* put other actors in both Avon's and Vila's shoes. > You could have actors with far less chemistry and I think the relationship > would still work (not nearly as well, of course, but it wouldn't fall flat). I think it probably *would* fall flat, for me personally. I'm really not big on comedy at all, even buddy comedy. There's something very unusual in A-V as portrayed by PD & MK that I find irresistible, and undiminished over time. Obviously that's a very individual thing. > Take the unique chemistry, the way the actors play against each other, out > of A-B, and even I'd be left scratching my head as to what on earth makes > Avon *do* what he does for the man ... it doesn't make sense. Until you see > them together. Then it makes perfect sense. This is our slightly (yes, slightly) differing versions of Avon again. It makes perfect sense to me - no, more than that, it's inevitable - for Avon to choose a very few people (max 3) to be loyal to, and then do *anything* for the sake of that loyalty. That's why nothing he does for Anna or Blake is too extreme; and IMHO why Orbit is so affecting, because Vila's right on the edge of that. The thing that makes me scratch my head is why *Blake*? (No, I'm just kidding, I understand why Blake.) But the key to Avon's extreme behaviour is in Avon, not in Blake (for evidence - Anna.) Mistral -- "Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!" --Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:36:18 GMT From: Ika To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? Message-Id: <200008231536.QAA08599@smtp.uk2net.com> Sally: > Should have mentioned ... > > What one sees as chemistry is a very personal thing. After all, I see > abolutely *none* - not a skerrick, not an atom - between Avon and Servalan, > but I'm very much a minority of one, I think ... > Minority of two (if you mean sexual chemistry - I think there's some sort of mutual recognition or something going on there, esp post-Rumours, but absolutely nothing of a squishy, fluid-swapping nature) Love, Ika ---------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using http://uk2.net NEWS - CHEAPEST DEDICATED SERVERS IN THE WORLD - 29/month UK's FREE Domains, FREE Dialup, FREE Webdesign, FREE email ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:00:28 GMT From: Ika To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: The Jacket (was Re: [B7L] FC: New frame captures) Message-Id: <200008231600.RAA09013@smtp.uk2net.com> Sally/Mistral: > > > and its labels;> > > > > Yes, that's all very well, Mistral (and the Silver Alpha outfit was worth > > it) but someone should have un-freed him before he found that Lobster Top. > > ROTFL! AFAIC, the red should be thrown out entirely, along with > the brown stuff. Then we could have more of the silver, and the > dark blue (about which my only complaint is that one generally can't > tell that it's blue). My personal theory re: the Lobster Top is that Blake (or someone - no, probably Blake) was telling him off for wearing too much black/grey and making the place look depressing, so Avon thought: Right. I'll wear something *red* and see how he likes it. Ha ha ha. Love, Ika PS: The new Avon catalogue apparently says "Avon: Revolutionary Cosmetics" on the front, and is going to join our little Avon shrine along with the advert that says "Let's Talk Avon" and the carrier bag saying "Avon: *The* company for women" ---------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using http://uk2.net NEWS - CHEAPEST DEDICATED SERVERS IN THE WORLD - 29/month UK's FREE Domains, FREE Dialup, FREE Webdesign, FREE email ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:01:29 +0200 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000823182636.00a6c960@pop3.wish.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 16:28 21-8-00, Marian de Haan wrote: >Now this makes me wonder if those lyst members who prefer Travis II saw S2 >before they did S1? I like the theory that we prefer the one we saw first, >but of course I may be totally wrong. So, members of FINAL ACT and others, >please satisfy my curiosity. I saw B7 in sequence, so this theory doesn't work in my case. I've been thinking about what I remember most of the Travii and I've come up with (in order): the speech at the trial, killing the Blake clone, protecting Docholli, the self deprecating smile when Servalan blamed him for another failure and not throwing nuts at Blake when he had a perfectly good opportunity. That's three for Travis II and two for Travis I, and the ones for Travis II are better scenes than the ones for Travis I. I also think that Stephen Greiff couldn't have done the scenes for Travis II nearly as convincingly as Brian Croucher. Greiff was just a little too civilized. Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:46:01 +0000 From: Steve Rogerson To: B7newonelist , Couro Prido , Debra Collard , Freedom City , Harriet Monkhouse , Louise Badsey , Lysator , Redemption , Save Crusade , Xenanet Subject: [B7L] Nexus pictures Message-ID: <39A41BE9.49577370@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pictures from the recent Nexus convention in Bristol are now up on my web site. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption: The Blake's 7 and Babylon 5 convention 23-25 February 2001, Ashford, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #237 **************************************