From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #24 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/24 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 24 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] History Re: [B7L] History Re: [B7L] History Re: [B7L] History Re: Re: [B7L] Remove Re: [B7L] Remove Re: [B7L] Remove Re: [B7L] Remove Re: Re: [B7L] Remove Re: [B7L] Capchered agane Re: [B7L] History Re: [B7L] History Re: [B7L] Capchered agane [B7L] The Strangerers/Paul Darrow [B7L] Re:Avon&the masses (was history) [B7L] News from Horizon [B7L] theme music CD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:59:02 +0000 From: Una McCormack To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] History Message-ID: <388DBA36.F294D387@q-research.connectfree.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Iain Coleman wrote: > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2000, Una McCormack wrote: > > > Did I mention I'd trademarked the phrase 'many many people'? You all have to > > pay me a fiver everytime you use it from now on. Actually, I was thinking of > > looking into the possibility of retroactive charges, so this whole debate > > may have proved very profitable for me. > > Fair enough. By the way, did I mention I trademarked "Una" in 1985? I'm guessing that you made the common mistake and trademarked the 'Yoona' as opposed to the 'Oona' variant. Can't have been so much money coming from that since Worzel Gummidge ended, I guess? Una ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 15:38:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Iain Coleman To: Una McCormack Cc: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] History Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Una McCormack wrote: > Iain Coleman wrote: > > Fair enough. By the way, did I mention I trademarked "Una" in 1985? > > I'm guessing that you made the common mistake and trademarked the > 'Yoona' as opposed to the 'Oona' variant. Can't have been so much money > coming from that since Worzel Gummidge ended, I guess? Repeat fees, my dear, repeat fees. How do you think I fund my millionaire playboy lifestyle? Iain ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 15:39:18 +0000 From: Una McCormack To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] History Message-ID: <388DC3A6.342EDA21@q-research.connectfree.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Iain Coleman wrote: > > On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Una McCormack wrote: > > > Iain Coleman wrote: > > > Fair enough. By the way, did I mention I trademarked "Una" in 1985? > > > > I'm guessing that you made the common mistake and trademarked the > > 'Yoona' as opposed to the 'Oona' variant. Can't have been so much money > > coming from that since Worzel Gummidge ended, I guess? > > Repeat fees, my dear, repeat fees. How do you think I fund my millionaire > playboy lifestyle? I thought you did that by being one of the Spice Girls. Una ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:14:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Iain Coleman To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] History Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Una McCormack wrote: > Iain Coleman wrote: > > Repeat fees, my dear, repeat fees. How do you think I fund my millionaire > > playboy lifestyle? > > I thought you did that by being one of the Spice Girls. > _All_ of the Spice Girls. Not much profit there, though: all the cash goes to fund my Chew-Z habit. Iain ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:46:48 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: Re: [B7L] Remove Message-ID: <388E0BB9.6958@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, it's good to know we aren't boring all the newbies. Welcome aboard, Karen. And I can see already, you're going to fit right it. I leave it to the readers whether that was a compliment or not. --Avona ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:05:05 -0000 From: "Alison Page" To: "lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Remove Message-ID: <007201bf676f$990f22c0$ca8edec2@pre-installedco> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit lisabeth >Ah, but then he wouldn't have been able to get in the zinger about how >boring we are. but remember the simple acronym ITTOYA (it's that time of year again). The christmas computers are just kicking in. Two weeks on the net, and they're cheeky as all heck. This time last year it was 'Superspud' wasn't it? Alison ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:28:36 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Remove Message-ID: In message <007201bf676f$990f22c0$ca8edec2@pre-installedco>, Alison Page writes > >but remember the simple acronym ITTOYA (it's that time of year again). The >christmas computers are just kicking in. Two weeks on the net, and they're >cheeky as all heck. It's September all year round. > >This time last year it was 'Superspud' wasn't it? Oh, yes, must clean out my killfile... I genuinely am somewhat curious as to what he thought he'd find. Remember the one that wandered in, and wandered out complaining because the list wasted his time with discussions about the series instead of being just postings telling him where to buy merchandise? -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 15:37:12 EST From: Tigerm1019@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Remove Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 01/25/2000 2:07:34 PM Central Standard Time, alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk writes: > lisabeth > > >Ah, but then he wouldn't have been able to get in the zinger about how > >boring we are. > > but remember the simple acronym ITTOYA (it's that time of year again). The > christmas computers are just kicking in. Two weeks on the net, and they're > cheeky as all heck. And it's been very mild this year, compared to last. I hope it stays that way. :-) > This time last year it was 'Superspud' wasn't it? Unfortunately, yes. I remember him only too well. I suspect that at least part of the reason the lists get restive this time of year is that the Americans and Europeans have usually been cooped up indoors by bad weather and it's hot in Australia. It's more or less the same deal with July and August flamewars. Tiger M ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:25:23 -0000 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: Re: [B7L] Remove Message-ID: <000201bf6775$a8f31240$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Una wrote: > From: > > I was at first > > worried when I read Neil's "Avon diaries." But luckily, I'm found out it > was > > a pastiche and not something seriously wrong with Neil. > > Oh boy, I'm chortling at this end and restraining myself nobly from > responding, as I'm sure you can imagine! ;) And Lisa added: >Those are not necessarily mutually exclusive propositions, you know. Oh thank you. Thank you so much. Nothing seriously wrong with me, luvvies. You lot, on the other hand... Neil PS And now Una says she's trying to be nice to me. Whatever she's after, she won't get it. "The only good alien is a dead alien" - Ursula LeGuin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:34:19 -0000 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Capchered agane Message-ID: <000301bf6775$aa413d20$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kerry wrote: > The Molesworth books seem very English to me so that I can't imagine that > anyone brought up in a non-English background would appreciate the suptle > humer. I can well believe that. I was only going to write the one sample but Una Joanne Julia ect kept beging for more so I felt compeled to oblige. Judith's already asked if she can include those already posted in her next zine, and I've said yes, so if I do any more they'll probably go direct to her rather than to the Lyst. I suspect there are more than a few lurkers who would rather not hear more about the tribulashuns of being a whizzo computer feend. Anyway they're a bugger to write so I almost welcome an excuse not to do any more. Neil "The only good alien is a dead alien" - Ursula LeGuin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:20:37 PST From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] History Message-ID: <20000125222037.30684.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Una wrote: Agreed. And to protect the few people who are important to him. I wouldn't like to have to estimate how many of the great possibly-washed he'd be prepared to sacrifice to protect the Liberator/Scorpio crews, let alone the few he likes, let *alone* Anna or Blake... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:31:02 PST From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] History Message-ID: <20000125223102.43595.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Mistral wrote: Like to give examples? I'm not saying you're wrong, but since I didn't hear it, I'd like the chance to consider it. Sorry, but IMO he actually *only* avoids it because someone keeps stopping him. Being the selfish (if adorable) bastard he is, he is more than prepared to make decisions directly affecting masses of people without even *thinking* about them... Pressure Point - faced with exactly (as far as he and we know) the same results as will later come of Star One, he is ostensibly interested in just one point - will the destruction of Control and the ensuing revolt/civil war get him what he wants - the Liberator (of course, being a sentimental softy, I also think he agrees because Blake is going, but it doesn't change the main point - the effect of his actions on the hoi polloi interest him about as much as watching paint peel.) Killer and the plague warning - yes, he stopped when Blake put his foot down (I've yet to decide if that's because he knew Blake would never agree, or because he *did*, when made to think about it, accept the point that risking galaxy-wide plague was a little drastic to get rid of one Supreme Commander) but had Blake *not* been there, Avon would IMO have let the Federation land without a qualm, without even considering the consequences for anyone but himself and his own. The Keeper - less of a real example, since his suggestion of controlling Star One is half-hearted (I don't think he means it at all), but his phraseology is quite interesting as a pointer to how he thinks of it - not "we could change /defeat the Federation" but "we could *control* everything. The Federation could belong to us." And what is control but making decisions on behalf of others..? Star One - as I've said before, IMO Avon is genuinely all for the destruction. He doesn't give a damn who out there gets hurt, as long as he gets what *he* thinks he wants (freedom from 'it'/Blake/whatever. And the Liberator.) Children of Auron - a whole world, Cally's world, is dying, but he has to be forcibly shoved into putting it above his own plans (as Julia said, a decision to *not* act is still a decision.) Rumours - he lets Servalan go, again putting his own wants first and not caring what effect that might or might not have on the coup he's stumbled into. Traitor - you wrote I agree that he wanted to protect the Scorpio crew, but I didn't see any sign that 'many other planets' even entered his thinking during the whole episode. What *did* was that the expansion of the Federation, and the annexation of those planets, might prove a danger to Xenon base (himself and his own again) and against *that* danger, he was prepared to sacrifice any number of the population. Perhaps you can claim that Avon is not making these choices *on behalf* of people so much as *about* them, but again I think that's a semantical argument (one that the said people might not appreciate the finer points of ). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:27:21 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: b7 Subject: Re: [B7L] Capchered agane Message-ID: In message <000301bf6775$aa413d20$e535fea9@neilfaulkner>, Neil Faulkner writes >Anyway they're a bugger to write so I almost welcome an excuse not to do any >more. Now where did I put that whip... -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:31:42 -0000 From: "Angua" To: "Blake's 7 Lysator List" Subject: [B7L] The Strangerers/Paul Darrow Message-ID: <010b01bf6794$ef967920$d76b989e@demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The February Sky magazine has a three page article about the Strangerers, their new SF series which features Paul Darrow. There is a tiny thumbnail picture of Paul, who appears to be sporting several sticking plasters on his nose. The caption reads : Seedy Man (Paul Darrow) The dodgiest receptionist you're ever likely to meet. His hotel is the perfect cover for the aliens when they need a place to stay. The series starts on Tuesday February 15th on Sky One. The website also seems to have some content now, lots of animated things and stuff : http://www.sky.co.uk/strangerers/ I'll try and scan the pic if anyone is interested in seeing it, but it's very dark and indistinct *grumble*. Oh, and I believe the series is featured in this month's Dreamwatch magazine too. Cheers, Louise http://starriders.net - Babylon 5 & Crusade, Blake's 7, SF cult tv and movies, free graphics, and more ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:41:57 -0700 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re:Avon&the masses (was history) Message-ID: <20000125.204202.12070.0.Rilliara@juno.com> >Killer and the plague warning Avon's attitude toward disease is, to say the least, interesting. Add this to his response earlier in the ep where he never cares about being infected, and it gets almost eerie. >Children of Auron - a whole world, Cally's world, is dying, >but he has to be forcibly shoved into putting it above his >own plans (as Julia said, a decision to *not* act is still >a decision.) > This episode has some real odd points when you think about it. Avon has let the Anna issue sit on the back burner for a couple years or more (don't tell me it took him this long to dig up the official cover story on Anna's death). Then, suddenly, this is all he can concentrate on. Rather than try to unravel that twisted psyche, let me point out one thing: he was right. He only had a little time. If Orac had him wait five minutes longer, he might have missed the boat entirely. It makes me wonder if, on some unconscious level, he didn't know more about what was going on than he usually does. How still eludes me, but the coincidence level is pretty high. That aside, I think Avon discounted a lot of what Cally told him she was getting from Zelda. Although he doesn't say it, he could have plenty of reasons for being wary. Zelda could be lying. Cally (who has mistaken _one_ rock for _both_ her parents) might be deceived about who she's getting messages from. Also, Cally's warning is a little unclear. "They're all dying" does not necessarily mean everyone on the planet. Granted, Zelda probably wouldn't be contacting Cally over all this distance if her rhododendrons had mildew, but you can never tell with some people. Short of a planetary crisis, Zelda seems to be _witnessing_ a dangerous situation (she never says _we're_ dying) that Auron should be able to handle on a local level, since Auron's technology seemed largely on par with the Federation's. Other Aurons can get there faster than a ship light years away, etc. In fact, disease seems to have been Auron's Achilles heel (having successfully protected themselves from most offworld disease, the Auron government promptly cut all related medical budgets and cut the spaceport decontamination procedures to the bone to save tax dollars). For almost any other problem, Liberator could have done next to nothing compared to what Auron could be expected to do for itself. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 03:09:23 EST From: Mac4781@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, freedom-city@blakes-7.org Subject: [B7L] News from Horizon Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The following news is just in from Horizon: Steven Pacey is playing the part of Basil Hallward in 'The Picture of Dorian Gray' this Sunday (30th January) on Radio 4 at 3pm. It is a two part play with part two on the following week (Sunday 6th February). It is also repeated on Saturday 5th February at 9pm with part two being repeated on Saturday 12th February. Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 18:27:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List cc: Freedom City Subject: [B7L] theme music CD Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I work as a volunteer in an Oxfam shop, and we just had donated a CD of theme music from 20 popular SF shows. One of those is a version of the B7 theme (fairly disco in style). first person to offer 6 pounds plus postage gets it (all money bar postage goes to Oxfam) I can take dollars in cash. Please reply to me off-list as I'm not currently subscribed. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #24 *************************************