From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #258 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/258 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 258 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Auron [ "Ellynne G." ] Re: [B7L] Auron [ Kai V Karmanheimo ] FW: [B7L] Awkward phrases [ Andrew Williams To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Auron Message-ID: <20000913.084001.-31937.0.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:03:03 -0400 (EDT) sjk3@cornell.edu writes: Carts in India still have the same > distance > > between wheels they did 4,000 years ago. Could Auron be that > stable? > > Possibly. I suspect a major reason the cartwheels still have > the > same spacing is because they didn't have paved roads for the > majority of > those 4000 years (and many areas still don't have them). You used > what > was comfortable for the draft animals and fit in the ruts already > worn > into the tracks. > True enough, which is how they know the wheels are the same - when they dig up roads from 4,000 years ago and still make out the ruts, they're the same distance. And I know India has changed in the past 4,000 years (that little invasion thingy, the establishment of the caste system, invention of one of the earliest phonetic writing systems, etc). But, when looking for arguments for fan fic, take the supporting evidence and ignore the contrary stuff whenever reasonably possible, I say. I guess I should say that, when I had to throw in a few comments on Auron art and fashion, I was looking at a few pictures on Minoan stuff and thinking of murals on Roman walls. Obviously, I didn't go with the neck lines, but it influenced the colors and patterns. I also included what were essentially Greek pots (supporting canon for this is pretty minimal and I can cite examples against, but what the hey). I also noticed I can't think of a time Cally wears red after her first episode. Given the vegetation on that planet, her reasons there were obvious. After, she seems to aboid it like... the plague. Which may have been the point. Or am I just not thinking of episodes? Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:47:37 +0300 (EEST) From: Kai V Karmanheimo To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Auron Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ellynne wrote: At least on "Weapon", "Killer" and "Deathwatch" she is wearing quite a lot of red fabric. Actually, her red battle gear doesn't work all that well in the environment we see her (even Blake's clothing blends in better), though in the planet's "jungles" it would probably be a different matter all together. Perhaps it was her xenophobic fighter comrades who thought it was a good idea to dress the bloody alien like that and use her as a bait to draw the security's attention and allow them to raid the complex. Kai ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:01:18 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] Re: To Heck or not to Heck Message-ID: <200009131301_MC2-B335-DE36@compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline The thread keeps reminding me of a moderately comic poem I once heard abo= ut a boy helping his father, or uncle, or grandfather, or someone like that,= in the vegetable garden... the punchline coming when he tells his mate something on the lines of "We put manure on the rhubarb": "Flippin' heck," said his mate, "we put custard on ours." Er, totally off topic, but if I write it down maybe I can stop thinking about it. Vila could say flippin' heck, but I don't think any others would. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:17:39 +0000 From: Steve Rogerson To: Couro Prido , Whitecrow , Spin list , Xenanet , Lysator , CultTV Subject: [B7L] Stargate appeal Message-ID: <39BFD2D2.C66A267A@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eeek, I just realised the fourth season of Stargate started on Sky last Wednesday, so I missed the first episode. Has anyone got it on tape and can lend it to me; I'll pay postage. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption: The Blake's 7 and Babylon 5 convention 23-25 February 2001, Ashford, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:01:27 +0100 From: "Andy Hopkinson" To: "Lysator" Subject: RE: [B7L] Horizon: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone I'm down at Andy's again for the next couple of days, completing recording block three for the new Kaldor City series. Whilst looking back through a recent crop of Lysator e-mails I was interested to see this one from Mark Spencer, the talented chap who was behind Horizon 39.5, and is at this moment in the process of doing N/L40 for Diane Gies. As someone who did a lot of work for Horizon through out a large chunk of the 1990's, I found Marks comments very interesting indeed. Therefore, I would like to take this opportunity to answer one or two issues raised in his letter. Adam said: >>Over the past months I have read some disturbing comments on this >>mailing list between members of the comittee and subscription payers >>and wondered whether it is now time for the current committee to >>resign in favour of a new one. And Mark replied: >I think that the idea of the entire committee resigning is a bit much, but >there is definitely a need for fresh ideas and fresh blood. As you and I know Mark, the Horizon committee have only a very small input into the Horizon Newsletter, and virtually no say whatsoever in what the N/L should contain, or what direction it should go in. When Andy and I worked on it, all editorial decisions came from Diane Gies. At first Diane was quite flexible and open to the changes we wanted to make, but as time went on, and H39 got a universal thumbs up from the membership, this altered quite dramatically. One major problem with the N/L was its total lack of focus. Articles, features and reviews were included simply because they were on the top of the pile. Even if an article or feature was dramatically out of date, it was still extremely difficult to get it dropped. Towards the end good features were being cut, like the Pete Wallbank interview, to make room for 12 month old theatre reviews. The reason given? Because Diane said so. Another problem was Club News, which seemed to be either about one persons family matters that no one else was at all interested in, or Horizon club outings which only really affected, and was of interest, to a very small group of members who lived, for the most part, in London. Both Andy and I hated Club News and for H39 managed to slash out a whole 2 pages of total verbiage, which then allowed us to include and expand the more interesting features. One of those features was **not** Orac's Oddments, another spiralling mess that had us tearing our hair out! In reference to people who have previously contributed to Horizon, Mark comments: >The trouble is, you find that a lot of people are willing to give something a go for >a few months at battle speed, and then the interest and impetus wanes, or they >have their own agenda which would steer the club in a wildly different >direction. Interesting. I think the reason why in the past many people have got fed up and left Horizon is because they are given practically no creative input. In fact in many cases independence of mind is frowned upon in Horizon. As for people having there own agendas, I'm not quite sure what Mark means by this. Although officially Horizon no longer recognizes that either Andy or myself ever existed (rather amusingly, Andy was airbrushed out of a group photo in H39.5) privately some very unpleasant things have been said about us. So perhaps Mark is picking up on that. Therefore, I would like to state publicly that Andy and I **did** have an agenda. It was to make the Horizon Newsletter into a good and interesting read, with lots of photos. And that's all. As anyone can see from Zenith, there would have been very little difference in style between H39 and H40 if it had come out. I would agree however, that there is a marked difference between H39 and Horizon newsletters 1 to 38. >Tracking down the likes of Diane Gies, is a bloody difficult task. Yeah. We had that problem too. >[Diane Gies and Judith Proctor] are the people who have stuck by B7 simply because it's what they love, and that's what drives them. That's certainly true of Judith, I don't think it's true of Diane anymore. >Diane at Horizon had a big falling out with the guys who put the magazine >together. There, I've said it, and things have been a bit turbulent at Horizon HQ. I think this is common knowledge. >I personally couldn't give a flying f*** what happened. Perhaps you should Mark. I have done a lot of work for Horizon over the years, but it didn't stop me from being thrown out of the club. Anyone else care to put their hand up and say "me too"? >Horizon is not a closed system to outsiders (fercrissakes, they let me in!), Yes, but you're talents are of use. >it's just that it would seem that the committee don't want to rush into >changing things for the sake of changing them. It has to be a move for the >better, no? Give 'em time, it's not exactly easy to run this sort of >organisation. Especially with one hand tied behind your back, with your other hand in plaster. Again, the committee do not make the decisions at Horizon. Mark continues by saying that he is: >not a committee member. I only warranted a club membership card, but I put the magazine together. I can see that you are a big Blake's 7 fan and judging from H39.5 a good writer and a highly talented designer. I believe you have a great deal to offer Fandom. It's just a terrible shame that you are working for something as negative as Horizon. A club which is no longer concerned with promoting the programme and it's actors, but rather with using its diminishing powers to attack other sections of Fandom and censor news and information it doesn't what its membership to hear about. For example, does anyone remember reading in H39.5 about the then up and coming B7 Collector's Lot segment, or reading about the new Blake's 7/Doctor Who cross-over CD series (written by Chris Boucher, starring Paul Darrow, Scott Fredericks, Brian Croucher, Peter Tuddenham, etc) in any recent Horizon bulletin, or on the lamentable Horizon website? No? Then what about Redemption, the Blake's 7/Babylon 5 Convention that's due to take place early next year. Oh sorry, I forgot, Horizon doesn't approve of fully-signed-up-long-term-club-member Judith Proctor. She is an enemy of the state. This event must not be publicised! >I'm finishing up editing the Deliverance 98 videos (my god, what a task!). I told Diane back in November 98 that there was no way the Deliverance videos were going to be ready by January '99, but she just wouldn't listen. Oh well, she's the boss and so it's she (not you) who is ultimately the one to blame for this quite appalling delay. (Less we forget, Deliverance '98 was two and a half years, or 30 months ago) Mark concludes by saying that his letter: "Was just to give you an idea of who the hell I am and what I do for Horizon." Well done Mark, you sound like a nice guy, perhaps one day we will be working together. In the meantime - watch your back. Alan Stevens ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:43:51 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Auron Message-ID: <004d01c01dbb$b18be880$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ellynne G. > All this talk about religion and culture has got me wondering, what does > everybody think about Auron's religion and cultural background? I tackled this one in A Candle in the Dark (in Deadlier Than The Male), though I wasn't terribly happy with the results in some places. The story began as a reaction to the nicey-nice Auron I'd encountered in some other bits of fanfic and turned into an anti-Thatcherite rant (even though Thatcher stood down whilst I was writing it). > I've always thought the Aurons were human or human derived, even if they > weren't aware of it (on Chenga, Cally was an acceptable organ donor so > she'd have to be pretty similar genetically). But what human culture > were they derived from (I'm assuming a single, dominent one, which may be > wrong)? I'd agree with the human origins. Indeed, I would insist on it, and have done to the point of converting Judith :). Since their cultural origins lie in the future, then they may derive from a homogenous globalised world culture, with elements drawn from many diverse strands, their roots not easy to identify. Throw in several centuries of progress and you could end up with almost anything. > Originally, I thought Cally's name was Kali, which suggests a Hindu > background. However, Cally is Greek and Auron could have either Latin or > Greek roots. However, the few other names we have don't sound remotely > Greek (arguments could be made for anything from German to Chinese). > Any ideas? Interestingly, she refers to her people as the Auronar, and the -ar suffix functions in Esperanto for collective nouns (eg; hundo - dog, hundaro - pack of dogs). Though 'Cally' in Esperanto would be written 'Kali' and pronounced 'Car-lee' - the short 'a' sound does not exist in that language, and the letter Y is not in the alphabet. (Additionally, 'Avon' is Esperanto for 'grandfather'...) >Oh, all right, the real question: Do I want Auron to have a culture with recognizably Terran roots or not? That's entirely up to you. > If I do, what culture do I want? Ditto. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:48:22 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: To Heck or not to Heck Message-ID: <004e01c01dbb$b3f8f0e0$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> >The thread keeps reminding me of a moderately comic poem I once heard about >a boy helping his father, or uncle, or grandfather, or someone like that, >in the vegetable garden... the punchline coming when he tells his mate >something on the lines of "We put manure on the rhubarb": >"Flippin' heck," said his mate, "we put custard on ours." >Er, totally off topic, but if I write it down maybe I can stop thinking >about it. Since we're off-topic, can I mention the comic strip Skizz, by Alan Moore (in 2000AD many years back), where Skizz the alien arrives on Earth, in Birmingham to be precise, and falls ill from contact with the local atmosphere (either Earth's or Birmingham's). His limited ability to translate English, combined with the reaction he always gets from natives who see him, leads him to deduce that he's suffering from a disease called 'flippy neck'. >Vila could say flippin' heck, but I don't think any others would. Not even Vila, I'd say. The episodes prove conclusively that in the future, nobody swears at all. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:23:54 EDT From: Mac4781@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alan wrote: > Towards the end good > features were being cut, like the Pete Wallbank interview, to make room for > 12 month old theatre reviews. I'm not going to get into the middle of this, but I would like to say that the theatre reviews are my favorite part of the newsletter. I love theatre. I don't care if the reviews are decades old. I hunt up old B7 newsletters (from many different clubs) at cons for their old theatre reviews. I picked up back issues of Theatre Record (all theatre review magazine) my last trip to England. The definition of "good features" is in the eye of the beholder. Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:18:27 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: RE: [B7L] Horizon: Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I'm an interested party, and I'm going to do my damndest to avoid posting anything on this thread. I hope others will do likewise. The Lyst is a place for people to socialise and share what they enjoy. If we start arguing, no matter how valid the points being raised, it just sours the atmosphere. I am thus going to go off and post a message on a totally different thread. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:29:07 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] Aliens Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII We've been discussing whether Cally was human or not. Similar questions can be asked of other 'humans' encountered. Many were obviously from Earth such as the people of Helotrix, some were harder to define. Keezarn (City at the Edge of the World) is probably the hardest to determine. Civilisation was supposed to have collapsed 3000 years earlier there, which places it as being occupied well before the present day - at least according to my personal time line which places B7 around 800 years in the future (largely on the evidence of the sub-light ship in 'Killer'). so, if I'm right (and many will happily disagree with me) then the people of Keezarn are either not human, or else they were sampled and relocated in the same way as I think the Auronar were by an alien race. Of all the planets where people speak English, the Keezanians give me the most trouble in explaining it, though thinking about it, it could be that only Norl had learned the language to enable him to act as a link with the outside world. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:32:31 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] Vila's outfits Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII What were Vila's best outfits? He didn't dresss to impress in the way that Avon did and I find many as a result don't stick in my mind. The worst one was the one with the yellow plastic thingy round the shoulder. The suede one was nice, but not eyecatching. The 4th season outfit with the ring pattern always smacked a little too much of uniform to me - I didn't like it when everyone seemed to be in matching grey outfits. which outfits do Vilaphiles like most? Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 07:57:11 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: b7spin: Despite some personal cynicism... Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Nicola Collie >Joanne, dear, to thine own self be true. And if that true self is terrifed >of little ol' me, then sure, cheer for us Kiwis until you're hoarse ;) Terrified of little ol' you? There's another reason I've thought of, if it comes to that: my brother's gone back to the oil rig off the NZ coast, where he is surrounded by Kiwis unhappy about the last rugby game, let alone Auckland's dismal record in the Australian rugby league matches... >Personally, I don't give a shit which team wins - I'm just glad to be on >the opposite side of the world to the five-ring circus, and watching >Farscape, DS9, Buffy et al. instead of stale athletics replays. Sounds good, but I've altered my working hours for the duration, so no replays of any kind for me. >From: "Rob Clother" >As long as you barrack for our coxless four, Joanne, we'll protect you from >flack on all fronts. ;-) Don't do that, Rob. You'll have Una insisting I barrack for her favourite oarsman at all times, if you aren't careful! >From: Ross Mallett >And yes... I've got my tickets. Had to stand in line for two hours to get >them. Plus the indignity of being cross examined about it by Channel 10. Poor Ross. I'm glad to see you are still sane. >I'd like to reassure all foreigners that us Aussies are not going to spend >the next two weeks in an onanistic orgy of national self-promotion and >congratulation. But I'd be lying of course. You fool, be more careful! You've doomed several high profile sportsmen and women to failure now! Ah well... Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 07:59:39 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Idiocy Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Yes, yes, I hit the wrong button in the address book. I can only apologise, and say I'm well and truly due for the week off I'm taking in the first half of October. Regards Joanne (mentally going ARGH!) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 08:02:49 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Auron Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Neil Faulkner" >(Additionally, 'Avon' is Esperanto for 'grandfather'...) You're the expert of course, and I bow to your wisdom. But forgive me for continuing to think my leg is being pulled (though why anyone would want to carry out such an activity ranks with why heck flips). Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 23:04:48 +0100 From: Tavia Chalcraft To: 'Lysator mailing list' Subject: RE: [B7L] Horizon Message-ID: <01C01DD7.22209A30.tavia@btinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alan wrote (masquerading as Andy): >One major problem with the N/L was its total lack of focus. Articles, >features and reviews were included simply because they were on the top of >the pile. Even if an article or feature was dramatically out of date, it >was still extremely difficult to get it dropped. The problem with having something called a 'newsletter' is that there tends to be the assumption that it will carry 'news'. This makes for a lack of focus and for a fairly broad set of inclusion criteria. Now I've never been a member of Horizon, and I've thus never seen their newsletter, but this kind of thing would seem to me to be typical of club newsletters (I've edited several newsletters in the past). >Another problem was Club News, which seemed to be either about one persons >family matters that no one else was at all interested in, or Horizon club >outings which only really affected, and was of interest, to a very small >group of members who lived, for the most part, in London. Club News will be of tremendous interest to a small group of people and none at all to others, but this kind of thing seems to hold a sort of fascination among quite a lot of people. The thing to do with club outings would be to expand it to include all kinds of meet-up UK wide. >Both Andy and I >hated Club News and for H39 managed to slash out a whole 2 pages of total >verbiage, which then allowed us to include and expand the more interesting >features. & > good >features were being cut, like the Pete Wallbank interview, to make room for >12 month old theatre reviews. Why the page restrictions...? Surely the solution is simply to include everything and print more? The problem with many similar newsletter-type publications is lack of copy not too much copy. >As anyone can see from Zenith, there would have been very little difference >in style between H39 and H40 if it had come out. I would agree however, >that there is a marked difference between H39 and Horizon newsletters 1 to >38 I assume from this that the writer co-edited 'Zenith' (sorry, I'm no good with names). If so, well done, it was an excellent read. But it seems more pointful to go away and try to make something different and exciting than to try and change a club newsletter into something it's never going to easily be. Tavia --When the fire and the rose are one ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 23:51:36 +0100 From: Tavia Chalcraft To: 'Lysator mailing list' Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila's outfits Message-ID: <01C01DDD.9A329CC0.tavia@btinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Judith asked: >What were Vila's best outfits? Hmm. Actually I like him best in Federation black ('Moloch'). See = endless posts on Other List re 'Avon in black', 'Tarrant in black' &c = &c. >The worst one was the one with the yellow plastic >thingy round the shoulder. =20 Agreed. The first time I saw that I thought I was seeing things. Tavia --When the fire and the rose are one ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:13:40 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: Re: [B7L] Auron Message-ID: <200009132013_MC2-B338-8469@compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline >It's terribly hard to make judgements based = >on five words total (Cally, Auron, Zelda, = >Thaarn [which may be borrowed from the = >Thaarn's language and not count] and = >Franton. Oh, and LiHan. Six). = I always assumed that Auron had something to do with the Latin auris (ear= ), signifying that its people could hear each other telepathically... but other possible Latin derivations are aurum (gold) and aura (breeze). On the other hand, -on sounds more like a Greek ending. Auronar - a plural ending in R - um, Swedish has this for some class of nouns, do we know any other languages with the feature? Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:08:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Susan.Moore@uni.edu To: BLAKES7@LYSATOR.LIU.SE Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila's outfits Message-id: <01JU4XJNKMBM986O9C@uni.edu> I've always assumed that one of the reasons very few of Vila's outfits seem to stick is my mind is that Vila is used to dressing to be inconspicuous. Unlike others, he prefers to continue to dress in the style he's used to. I must admit, I haven't seen the whole series and haven't seen him in the black outfit, so I have that to look forward to. Susan M. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 02:23:57 +0100 From: "Andy Hopkinson" To: "Lysator" Subject: RE: [B7L] Horizon Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tavia Chalcraft wrote: >The problem with having something called a 'newsletter' is that there tends >to be the assumption that it will carry 'news'. This makes for a lack of >focus and for a fairly broad set of inclusion criteria. Now I've never been >a member of Horizon, and I've thus never seen their newsletter, but this >kind of thing would seem to me to be typical of club newsletters (I've >edited several newsletters in the past). True, that's why from issue 39 onwards it was to be called a magazine. This change took place with Diane's full approval. >Club News will be of tremendous interest to a small group of people and >none at all to others, but this kind of thing seems to hold a sort of >fascination among quite a lot of people. The thing to do with club outings >would be to expand it to include all kinds of meet-up UK wide. Ah, but the catch here is that an "Official Horizon Outing" is only "official" if Diane Gies is present, however if it is an "outing" organised by anyone else, especially Judith Proctor, the chances are it will never be mentioned at all, let alone appear in the Horizon N/L. >Why the page restrictions...? Surely the solution is simply to include >everything and print more? It's because of the weight of the paper and the price of the postage. >The problem with many similar newsletter-type >publications is lack of copy not too much copy. That is not a problem in B7 Fandom. Although Horizon has been running for about 20 years it has failed to even scratch the surface of potential articles, features and interviews. John Leeson, Aubrey Woods, Peter Miles, none of these people had been interviewed in Horizon before, and yet they were out there. All that had to be done was to show a bit of initiative and phone up their agents. When looking back over previous N/L issues I also found that many of the actors and production people were being asked very little about the show anyway. It was almost as if Horizon was afraid to mention Blake's 7 in case the actor or production person concerned would think they were a fan! >I assume from this that the writer co-edited 'Zenith' (sorry, I'm no good >with names). If so, well done, it was an excellent read. Thank you for saying that, because after Andy and I left the club, Horizon was putting it about that the reason we were no longer working on the mag was because our work wasn't up to scratch. >But it seems more pointful to go away and try to make something different and exciting >than to try and change a club newsletter into something it's never going to >easily be. Firstly, I think the change of club Newsletter into magazine was achieved very successfully, and from the correspondence we were getting the Horizon membership agreed. Secondly, it is easy to say "Why don't you go away and do your own mag", but that's not an easy thing to do. Firstly you need money. Then you need people to buy it, and if that isn't enough, you then have got to contend with Horizon vindictively using every dirty trick in the book to torpedo you. If everyone pulled together, Blake's 7 Fandom could really become something special. Unfortunately, Horizon is not interested in pulling together, it's only interested in being in control and carrying out petty and underhand attacks on people it doesn't like. As Servalan once said, "Where there's life, there's threat." A motto Horizon has taken to its heart. I'm going home tomorrow morning and I'm not on e-mail. I'll be back in a couple of weeks though. Alan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:10:54 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Aurons from India? Message-ID: <39C0259E.5E04@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Oh, all right, the real question: Do I want Auron to have a culture with > recognizably Terran roots or not? If I do, what culture do I want? > Go with Hindu. Polytheistic, Kali becomes Calli, and let's not forget the stretching excercises that did not improve Avon's disposition. I couldn't help but quote him when my husband tried getting me to do similiar Yoga excercises with him. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:32:03 +1000 From: Andrew Williams To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: FW: [B7L] Awkward phrases Message-ID: <4103E830BB67D211877400A0247B635E34E13F@dialup49.actonline.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain Judith wrote: >On Mon 11 Sep, Andrew Williams wrote: >> >> I feel that Vila's remark in Harvest, "They don't take (too?) kindly to >> scrumping on Kairos", is hideously out of place. It's all too Billy Bunter >> and Jennings & Derbyshire etc. > >You're getting confused with 'scrumptious'. 'Scrumping' is stealing apples >from an orchard - presumably the root of the word scrumpy (a form of rough >cider). > >Hence, Vila is refering to theft of something that grows locally on Kairos. No, I'm not getting confused, I know exactly what scrumping means. My point was this is a very "English schoolboy" kind of phrase and as out of place as if he had said "What a super wheeze to pull on the half-term hols!" or "Wizard!" It also seems dated to me - more applicable to a time when fruit was coveted as a treat (children being thrilled with an orange in their Christmas stocking). I can't understand how 'scrumptious' fits - "They don't take too kindly too scrumptious on Kairos" - unless Scrumptious is the name of a lady-friend or something.... Andrew. P.S. I recall that one of the English comics by IPC(?) had a "Jakes Seven" strip in it, but I can't remember which one - Whizzer & Chips perhaps? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 06:43:44 GMT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Crossover potential? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Joanne wrote: And he'd make such a pretty wall hanging, don't you think? No, no, Avon fits the best IMO (not wonderfully, but the best). I'd put up Blake for the Princess Leia role (and no-I-do-not want to think about him in her brass bikini, but he fits the True Believer profile and he fights beautifully with Avon/Han) and ... err ... hard to say for Luke (Gan? Tarrant?) Og can be substituted for Chewbacca (oh. Damn. Now I've got the mental picture of Og joining the Scorpio crew.) CP30 is definitely Vila, and R2-D2 Cally. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 06:45:01 GMT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Vila's outfits Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Judith asked: Vila looks good in black, IMO. The high-collared silk shirt in Weapon and the Federation uniform in Moloch both look good on him. The yellow outfit in Shadow is rather nice as well. And Tavia added: Actually I would have liked to see Soolin in a Federation uniform; given her Killer Barbie appearance, I think she'd have been quite cute (as in that silvery thing in Gold, she looks more like a deadly little doll than ever). _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:50:56 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Crossover potential? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Sally Manton" >CP30 is definitely Vila, Better if it were an Orac/Vila hybrid - you'd get the fussiness as well as the general reluctance to endanger the self. How one would achieve such an entity is probably best not thought about Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 08:05:23 EDT From: Bizarro7@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, freedom-city@blakes-7.org Subject: [B7L] 8 Hour Warning on rare B7 fanzine auction Message-ID: <49.c5cdd2.26f21903@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The September 14th round of rare and out-of-print B7 fanzines from the Ashton Press collection will be rolling off today, beginning in about 8 hours. If any of you haven't had a chance to check this out, now's the time to peek. Also, many more rare old fanzines have been posted since, and bear looking at. These classics date back to the 70's and 80's, and are original copies and great reading. Keep checking back! A large grouping of new B7 zine listings will be going up tonight (Thursday). Bear in mind that with only one or two exceptions, there will only be a SINGLE copy of each of these zines offered up in the course of this ongoing auction. Good luck! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 23:27 +0100 From: nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net To: "Neil Faulkner" , "b7" Subject: RE: Re: [B7L] Auron Message-Id: <20000914174334.E4605F8252@chalfont.mail.uk.easynet.net> >> All this talk about religion and culture has got me wondering, what does >> everybody think about Auron's religion and cultural background? Wrote an unpublished article on it once, analysing what we know about Auron from an anthropological point of view. If people are interested I could put it up on the Web or something. >> I've always thought the Aurons were human or human derived, even if they >I'd agree with the human origins. Indeed, I would insist on it, and have >done to the point of converting Judith :). Since their cultural origins lie I notice that this seems to be the dominant view on the lyst, but how then do you account for the dating given in the legend Cally tells in "Dawn of the Gods"? For there to have been at least two million years between the first arrival of the gods and the end of the story, they would have had to come from Earth in paleolithic times. Although I suppose the "gods" could have picked up and transplanted the odd Terran sample... I favour the parallell evolution theory myself. >> Originally, I thought Cally's name was Kali, which suggests a Hindu >> background. However, Cally is Greek It's also an abbreviation for Caroline, in some circles. >>Oh, all right, the real question: Do I want Auron to have a culture with >recognizably Terran roots or not? > >That's entirely up to you. Agreed. I'm being a silly old curmugeon here. Excelsior! Fiona http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #258 **************************************