From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #271 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/271 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 271 Today's Topics: RE: [B7L] the Travis comparison [ "Lisa Rowland" ] [B7L] new souls for the faith [ padme@bantha.org (Clavda) ] Re: [B7L] the Travis comparison [ "Una McCormack" ] Re: [B7L] h2g2 [ "Una McCormack" ] Re: [B7L] Introduction [ "Sally Manton" ] Re: [B7L] Re: Neil's conspiracy theo [ "Ellynne G." ] Re: [B7L] Introduction [ "Una McCormack" To: Subject: RE: [B7L] the Travis comparison Message-ID: <000401c02883$a16ee4c0$6401a8c0@livingroom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Firstly, I'd like to thank everyone for the great welcome. Then secondly, mention that there have been some great comments on the two Travises. Penny wrote: >He's more excitingly unpredictable. He is the manic rabid poodle to Greif's well-trained doberman. And at least in "Trial" and "Gambit" he gets to be a bit more multifaceted than Greif ever got to be, but without losing his reprehensibility. I like the comparison! I would definitely agree that Brian is more a rabid poodle. ;) Yes, he does get to be more multifaceted, however, I maintain it's because the writers finally allowed the character to grow. I also maintain that this happened due to Stephen leaving the series. If he hadn't left, the writers would have been happy to continue in the same vein with the "I'll get you Blake!" theme. Mistral wrote: >Sometimes I think Travis II brings out my few maternal instincts - I want to give him a hug and make it all better. (EW! I can't believe I SAID that! Must be tireder than I thought.) Are you watching the broadcasts on KBTC? LOL! Now THAT's something I would NOT have thought of! Yes, I'm watching KBTC. If you've seen it, you may have noticed the new format they're broadcasting Dr. Who. Thank goodness they don't have that choice with B7! Marian wrote: >Croucher's face is much too smooth compared to Greif's, which gives the impression of intense suffering. The eye patch doesn't 'fit' Croucher. With Greif it becomes part of his face, it blends in, while on Croucher it just looks very silly, IMHO. Well put! That was one of the first things I thought about. Why didn't they give Brian the same kind of patch they gave Stephen? With Stephen it looked like they had taken a mold of his face and made the patch in some sort of plastic. Brian's patch looked like the vinyl that they used in for some kid's toys. A good point about the actual shape of the face. Marian also wrote: >I think Croucher would have been better served if the producers had created the role of a new villain for him, maybe as Travis's younger brother, blaming Blake for his brother's death and wanting to take revenge. Now, I like THAT idea! That would have been quite interesting. Too bad the writers didn't think of it. Una wrote: >I see T1 as the Establishment guy who loses the game, and T2 as the working class boy made good who is subsequently screwed over by the Establishment who put him where he is. 'Trial' would have been very different with T1. >Welcome, Lisa. Pay no attention to the ones who preach heretical Travisties. The only True Travis is the first one. Yes, Brian's accent does strike me as being more "working class" than Stephen's. I never really thought about whether or not that affected my perceptions of him. It very well could have. BTW, I've seen your site on Stephen/Travis, Una. It's terrific! Alison wrote: >The Federation must have mutilated the second Travis, and possibly the first one, and implanted false memories that Blake was to blame. This would convey two advantages: the improvement of the prosthesis over the ordinary hand and eye, and the emotional force it gave to his pursuit of Blake. How could they have known that it would all go horribly wrong... What an interesting theory! It sounds like something out of the X-Files (or closer to the plot from the first story with Blake and his own implanted memories). That would certainly make Travis into a victim in every sense. Una also wrote (in response to Alison): >No, no - officer class through and through. Absolutely. Military family. But goes a bit bonkers and is therefore something of an embarrassment. That's always been my theory. If Travis has been in the Military for his entire adult life (which he mentions in 'Trial'), and if his entire life IS the military (no outside pursuits at all), then when he does become maimed, he could/would blame Blake for any disruption of his service. If the establishment questioned his ability as an office because of his injuries, that could truly ruin his psyche. Just goes to show...it's vital to 'get a life' outside of your job! Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:19:25 -0400 (EDT) From: padme@bantha.org (Clavda) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] new souls for the faith Message-Id: <20000927141925.26CB566CA1@bantha.org> Does this subject line ever mean anything other than hooking new viewers on B7? Last night I introduced those who went through B5 last year to B7. I had thoroughly warned them that budgets were nil and styles were seventies, so they weren't in shock at production values. We watched the first two episodes. They really listened to the character stuff and are already identifying with Blake's crisis of identity and memory, and enjoying Avon's snarkiness and Gan's capable strength. One good friend tried to slip away before the first episode, but I persuaded him to stick around. At the end of it, he said simply "I like it". They'll be back next week. I was a bit dismayed when one guy started heckling some of the sillier things: "uh, if you could hear *him* through that door maybe you should move away from it before talking?" But, y'know, he kept it contained to moments that deserved it; there were appreciative hushes at the right times. I think he added value to the evening--a gentle MST3K-ing, nothing more. A good start to the school year. ;-) Claudia -- "Reality is a dangerous concept." Dr. Havant, Blake's 7 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:59:37 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] the Travis comparison Message-ID: <050301c0288b$331ede00$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lisa wrote: > BTW, I've seen your site on > Stephen/Travis, Una. It's terrific! Thanks, Lisa. But it's only a shrine. Have you seen Angua's site? It's absolutely brilliant - the Temple of the True Travis: http://starriders.net/b7/ And, I suppose, you can always dally with the dark forces: http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/5204/travis.html#top Una ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:26:46 EDT From: Mac4781@aol.com To: freedom-city@blakes-7.org, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Steven Pacey sightings Message-ID: <6c.3622402.27035da6@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tour dates, so far, for Steven Pacey in A FAMILY AFFAIR: Theatre Royal, Brighton 4 - 9 December =20 Regent Theatre, Stoke-on-Trent 16 - 21 October =20 Arts Theatre, Cambridge 23 - 28 October =20 Theatre Royal, Bath 6 - 11 November =20 Churchill Theatre Bromley, Bromley 20 - 25 November =20 Festival Theatre, Malvern 11 - 16 December =20 Richmond Theatre, Richmond 27 November - 2 December =20 Yvonne Arnaud Theatre, Guildford 13 - 18 November =20 A FAMILY AFFAIR, Play Credits: Author: Agnes Jaoui, Author: Jean-Pierre=20 Bacri, Company, organisation: Theatre Royal Bath Productions, Director: Andy= =20 de la Tour, Design: Saul Radomsky, Performer: Rik Mayall, Performer: Steven=20 Pacey, Performer: Anne Reid, Performer: Susan Wooldridge Production Company:= =20 Theatre Royal Bath Productions=20 =20 Synopsis: A family get-together like no other. Henry's mother, brother and=20 sister-in-law turn up to celebrate a birthday. But Henry has missed his=20 brother's crucial television appearance, his mother has brought the most=20 inappropriate present and his younger sister is in trouble with both her bos= s=20 and her secret boyfriend. Poor Henry is at the end of his tether, only to=20 discover his wife has disappeared and his favourite dog seems about to=20 breathe its last. ----------------- Steven also has another book on tape due out soon: Wordsworth: a life=20 Author: Juliet Barker=20 Publisher: Penguin Audiobooks =20 SUMMARY: Sage, seer and Poet Laureate; this biography seeks to present William=20 Wordsworth - one of Britain's foremost poets - as both a public icon and a=20 private, family man.=20 ARTIST: Read by Steven Pacey PRICE: =A313.00=20 FORMAT: Audiobook on cassette=20 ISBN: 0-14-180120-4 =20 ------------ Fans of Steven's audio work might also keep an eye out for his reading of=20 HAVANA BAY, by Martin Cruz Smith, Macmillan Audio Books, 1999. A London=20 friend of mine recently turned up a bargain price copy of it for me. Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 06:44:49 -0700 From: mistral@centurytel.net To: B7 List Subject: [B7L] Merch. Query Message-ID: <39D1F9CF.C485E1BF@centurytel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can someone tell me if the poster books are different from the B7 monthlies? Or if there is a site somewhere listing the 'official' merchandise from the original era? I've check Judith P's site, but can't find what I'm looking for. Thanks. Mistral -- "It seems that I'm some kind of a galactic yo-yo." --the third Doctor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 06:49:14 -0700 From: mistral@centurytel.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] h2g2 Message-ID: <39D1FAD9.FF672E0B@centurytel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Una McCormack wrote: > The main entry on h2g2 yesterday was B7. I think you can link to it from: > http://www.h2g2.com/A425954 > > Spot the mistakes! Well, I'm thinking you wrote the entry on Dayna ;-) Mistral -- "It seems that I'm some kind of a galactic yo-yo." --the third Doctor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:20:31 -0700 From: mistral@centurytel.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Anna Message-ID: <39D2103E.130EDE5F@centurytel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ellynne wrote: > As for her and Avon, I think she did love him but she didn't trust him. > She might make some sacrifices for him but risking her life wasn't too > high on the list - and she would draw on him first. I think the question of whether Anna loved Avon rather depends on how you define 'love'. For example the behaviour you describe above would immediately _eliminate_ love from the words I might choose from. The only case I can think of in which I might love someone and not trust them is as a parent. Love requires an open heart, but mistrust is witness of a closed one. This is why I think that when Anna asked 'Do you trust me?' and Avon said 'I'm afraid I do,' it was a far more eloquent portrayal of his love for her than if he had said 'I love you'. He had opened up his heart to her. To turn it around - would you feel loved if you knew your partner mistrusted you? I wouldn't. The same thing goes for drawing on him first - if her instinct tells her to kill him rather than explain things, it's not what I'd call love. He might not have loved her any longer, but likeliest they'd have both lived through it if she'd made a full confession. I would say that she probably cared for him more than she'd ever cared for anyone else, as much as she was capable of - and that she was surprised by the strength of her feelings. But it never crossed the line from attachment, affection, caring into something I would recognize as love, although it was a factor in how she managed the wrap-up of the investigation. But in the end, she chose her own safety _at his expense_. I think we've discussed this all before, however (and I cannot believe I am talking about Anna Grant again, of all people); but at least I've a new theory that I don't remember seeing proposed since I've been here (though I haven't adopted it as personal canon): when Avon didn't return from buying the exit visas, Anna knew that something must have gone wrong, and she sprang the trap in order to interrogate his acquaintances _so that she could find him and help him_. She needed speed and couldn't afford to just ask questions surreptitiously. But since he was helped by strangers, none of those collected knew anything, and she gave him up for dead. Hm. Of course that scenario requires her dying words to be a lie at worst, metaphorical at best. Mistral (Who thinks the whole point of Anna as a character is to demonstrate yet again how incompetent Avon is at deciding who to trust and who not to.) -- "It seems that I'm some kind of a galactic yo-yo." --the third Doctor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 05:50:41 -0700 From: mistral@centurytel.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] the Travis comparison Message-ID: <39D1ED20.44E5D1D6@centurytel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lisa Rowland wrote: > Mistral wrote: > > >Sometimes I think Travis II brings out my few maternal instincts - I want > to give him a hug and make it all better. (EW! I can't believe I SAID that! > Must be tireder than I thought.) Are you watching the broadcasts on KBTC? > > LOL! Now THAT's something I would NOT have thought of! Yes, I'm watching > KBTC. If you've seen it, you may have noticed the new format they're > broadcasting Dr. Who. Thank goodness they don't have that choice with B7! Ew, yes. Can't believe that (1) it's more expensive in that format, even though we don't actually get a whole story per week any more, and (2) the fans actually ASKED them to do it that way! However, my real pet peeve with KBTC is that they act as if B7 is unimportant in the Saturday night programming line-up. All their emphasis is on Who and the Britcoms. They actually skipped an ep or two of B7 this time through, or else they rescheduled it without listing it in the TV Guide. Though at least B7 is the one in prime time, whether that means anything on a Saturday. Mistral -- "It seems that I'm some kind of a galactic yo-yo." --the third Doctor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:30:16 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: Anna [was Re: [B7L] Re-Introduction] Message-ID: <20000927.103019.-32135.0.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have to admit, many of the reasons I take things a certain way in Rumors is because of things outside the actual text. 1) Anna _did_ let Avon go. Reasons: 1) Avon's not going to be nearly so miserable if she didn't. 2) It makes their story more interesting. Problems: 1) So what's Avon doing on that prison ship? Possible solutions: 1) He got caught on something else (the smaller bit of theft Vila refers to). 2) He needed to get off the planet and was also rather down. He realized no one checks prison ships for illegal emigrants. Then, it was just a matter of arranging his escape - probably originally intended to be some rebellion or rebellion sympathetic ships (or maybe he _did_ hack into some financial records and hired some mercenaries). Hence, he delays agreeing to help Blake's mutiny till the time is right (probably reasoning that it's safer to have the crew dealing with internal problems at the time of the attack and to limit the captain's ability to execute all the prisoners when he's faced with the choice of doing that or handing them over). Unfortunately, Liberator trashes the rescue fleet (I still need an added reason coming out of all this for why he felt so proprietory towards Liberator and for how he wound up in the hands of Federation interrogators and could have spilled what he knew about a certain, bug painting friend [in Rumors, he obviously has no doubts about his ability to withstand prolonged torture, but he could have been exaggerating about his chance to spill the beans on Tynus]). 2) Anna's revolution made some kind of sense. Reason: I think we're supposed to have some respect for her intellect that just isn't there once I start considering everything that seemed to be wrong with what she did. Problems: Plenty Solutions: Extremely elaborate plot complications far too lengthy to give here. 3) Anna wasn't democratically inclined Reason: I like the idea that she was supposed to be established as deadly, competent, manipulative, and ruthless. Problems: None I can't deal with. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:37:40 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: "B7 List" Subject: Re: [B7L] h2g2 Message-ID: <055501c028a1$5bb26ec0$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mistral: > Una McCormack wrote: > > > The main entry on h2g2 yesterday was B7. I think you can link to it from: > > http://www.h2g2.com/A425954 > > > > Spot the mistakes! > > Well, I'm thinking you wrote the entry on Dayna ;-) Guiltless! Una ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:01:45 +0000 From: Murray To: Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Neil's conspiracy theories (was Typesetting preferences) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Neil, >Seen it twice, actually. Enjoyed it, but can't say I loved it. There were >certainly some brilliant moments (the duel between Wesley and Inigo stands >out) but it didn't seem to have any firm direction in which to point its >satirical dagger. > >It strikes me as odd that swords'n'sorcery dominates 90 per cent or more of >the rolegaming hobby, but I've yet to see a decent swords'n'sorcery film. >'Hawk the Slayer' probably came closest to matching the genre, yet was >dreadful. 'Excalibur' is probably still the best of its kind, though rooted >in legend rather than a true other-worldly fantasy tradition. >'Dragonslayer' was just too twee, and barbarian picaresques make me switch >off. They're only worth watching to see if the bird gets her kit off. You've made a good point about fantasy films, particularly the ones you mentioned by name. That said, I liked 'The Princess Bride' because I thought that it was a good fantasy film, with the emphasis on romance and comedy. To be fair, it wasn't intended to be satrical. Murray ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:59:48 GMT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Una wrote: I don't know any Mysteries, sorry. Would saying three compliments for Animals do (they'd be fairly mysterious-without-a-capital)? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:17:47 EDT From: B7Morrigan@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Neil's conspiracy theories (was Typesetting preferences) Message-ID: <27.b69bf05.2703afeb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/27/00 8:23:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, N.Faulkner@tesco.net writes: > From: > > You actually saw the movie? > > > > Morrigan > > who was convinced only women knew of the existence of "The Princess > Bride." > > > Seen it twice, actually. Enjoyed it, but can't say I loved it. Inconceivable! > They're only worth watching to see if the bird gets her kit off. > > Neil the Curmudgeonly And here I was thinking your hobby was watching the ones with feathers... Morrigan "I find sometimes it's easy to be myself; sometimes, it's better to be somebody else." Dave Matthews ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:30:22 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Merch. Query Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Wed 27 Sep, mistral@centurytel.net wrote: > Can someone tell me if the poster books are different from the > B7 monthlies? Or if there is a site somewhere listing the 'official' > merchandise from the original era? I've check Judith P's site, but > can't find what I'm looking for. Thanks. Dang! Something I haven't got on the site yet. Yes, they are different. There were 7 poster mags and they were pretty poor overall though the posters weren't bad. The fiction ranged from good to terrible. I still recall the writer who mentioned Avon's BLUE eyes. They were just a poster with a story and a bit of blurb on the back. Judith PS. We're working on the site library this week. It should be up with a few initial stories next week. We'd love to have more stories - I'm happy to consider a wide range of stuff. My tastes are eclectic. -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:59:49 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Una McCormack" >and a demand for great wodges of cash. Ooh, that's what I call paying for your sins. I think GITHOG have just found a Jacqueline-without-Tellytubbies equivalent. Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:51:43 +0200 From: Steve Kilbane To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Neil's conspiracy theories (was Typesetting preferences) Message-Id: <200009272151.WAA23740@whitecrow.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Neil wrote: > It strikes me as odd that swords'n'sorcery dominates 90 per cent or more of > the rolegaming hobby, but I've yet to see a decent swords'n'sorcery film. ..and I thought, "But you've forgotten about, um, er..." Star Wars isn't a bad one, though. This came up during one of the panels at (I think) Redemption: there's a resurgence of interest in fantasy on TV, but little of it is epic fantasy. Xena and Herc, but most of it's either contemporary or sf. My theory was horses: cost too much. steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:37:40 +0200 From: Steve Kilbane To: "Una McCormack" Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Neil's conspiracy theories (was Typesetting preferences) Message-Id: <200009272137.WAA23464@whitecrow.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Una: > Another woman to add to your tally. The book is just as funny as well, and > has a brilliant map. Really? It's sitting on the shelves, but it's near the bottom of the to-be-read pile, metaphorically. Someone else read it recently, and said they found it to be tedious. However, while on holiday in Castleton a few years ago, it was fun to go traipsing around looking for PB locations. :-) steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:25:07 -0700 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings Message-ID: In message , Pherber@aol.com writes >I have a definite preference for spiral binding, pretty much for the same >reasons others have mentioned. I don't mind the tape & glue system, except >that sometimes the glue comes apart -- is there an easy way to fix that? >I've got several zines where I have to be careful because chunks of pages >have come loose. Hot glue gun - it uses a thermoplastic glue similar to those found in thermal binding systems. I bought a baby one for about five pounds for other purposes, and discovered it was very useful for repairing books and zines. But practice first... -- Julia Jones ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:56:46 -0700 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction Message-ID: In message <4.1.20000925223358.009882a0@mail.powersurfr.com>, Penny Dreadful writes >>Do you view the character as the SAME character, or do you >>see them as individuals? > >I see two actors playing a single character, pre- and post-mental meltdown. Summing up very nicely why I like them both. -- Julia Jones ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:48:51 -0700 From: Julia Jones To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Mary Ridge Message-ID: In message , Judith Proctor writes >News has just reached us of the recent death of Mary Ridge. Mary was the >director of Terminal, Rescue, Power, Animals, Headhunter and Blake. > >I wish I'd had the chance to meet her. So do I. An excellent director, who managed to make the most of bad scripts, and pure delight of good ones. It was wonderful to hear her on the "Solstice" Together Again tape - a fascinating woman, with an ability to talk to an audience without talking down. I never met her, but I'm still saddened to hear of her death. -- Julia Jones ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:29:56 -0700 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: 'Lysator mailing list' Subject: Re: [B7L] Typesetting preferences Message-ID: In message <01C026D4.8C564480.tavia@btinternet.com>, Tavia Chalcraft writes >What do people think? Does this make you think 'icky DTP amateur' or 'nice >combination of prose and typography' ? Would this be something that might >work better for a webzine than a printzine? Ick. One of the things it will do is make your zine look like some of the zines of old where the authors typed their stories in a bewildering array of fonts, and the publisher (*not* editor) assembled them into one volume. -- Julia Jones ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:08:23 -0700 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] The Princess Bride Message-ID: In message <003001c0283f$c25b7c00$1a64e0d1@0z4g4>, huh writes >On the other hand, no one has understood my Leah Rosenthal Avon/Blake >cartoon at work which implies a severe shortage of B7 fans. Whereas my boss understood the Bizarro cartoon above my desk well enough to order me to take it down before someone was offended by it. It's a good thing it wasn't "Whoops, mind-wiped on the lube":-) -- Julia Jones ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:27:50 +0100 From: "Wildean" To: , "Lisa Williams" Subject: Kak virus info Message-ID: <002001c028da$b3820c80$801c883e@s5e8f3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry about the dramatic text message (if you received it). If not, you (may) have the Kakworm virus. Your last email (QAF disk 1 details) brought up the following error message: "An ActiveX control on this page is not safe. "Your current security settings prohibit running unsafe controls on this page. "As a result, this page may not display as intended." When I received an infected email (from the Blakes 7 list) the exact same error message appeared. One of the subsequent mails was from the List Administrator, warning about the KakWorm virus thing being present in the email concerned, also providing the followimng useful information. > The Symantec Antivirus website > has a writeup on it, including a link to a tool that should fix the damage > if the script has already been run. It also refers you to a patch which > should fix the MS Outlook security hole which allows the thing to execute > in the first place. > > The Symantec page on this worm is at: > http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/wscript.kakworm.html . > > And if you don't have virus-checking software examining your email as it > downloads, I'd suggest that you do so. And make sure you keep it up to > date. Switching to another email client program would be a good idea, too; > Outlook Express has more than its share of security holes, plus it's widely > used, so is often targeted by email worms like this. At the very least, > make sure you have installed any recommended patches and activate whatever > security features it's got. May I suggest that you a. check and disinfect your systems b. Upgrade Outlook Express (so that it will warn you of potential errors c. Contact everyone in your address book and get them to check as well. I'm sorry about all this extra work for you. Pat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:45:17 EDT From: B7Morrigan@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Welcome back Message-ID: <18.2d1bc2a.2703e08d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Julia, Nice to see you back on list; we missed you. I hope the move wasn't too stressful. Welcome to the US - and no, not everyone is a lunatic though sometimes it does seem that way, especially when driving. Morrigan "I find sometimes it's easy to be myself; sometimes, it's better to be somebody else." Dave Matthews ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:26:15 +0100 From: "Wildean" To: , "Lisa Williams" Subject: Re: [B7L] Kak virus info Message-ID: <006e01c028e3$6cdec580$9d26883e@s5e8f3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Terribly sorry about that. I replied to the wrong message. Please disregard Pat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:16:46 -0400 From: "Doraleen McArthur" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction Message-ID: <059e01c028e7$c6cdb3e0$74f35a0c@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sally Manton > Nonononono ... the great thing about *that* ending is there isn't actually > any of the characters in 'Blake' that actually *can't* be resurrected. (I am > Firmly and Unswervably of the Opinion that Blake, Avon and Vila survived. > And Servie - who wasn't even *in* it - got killed on the way to GP.) Oh, tell me I'm not the only person in the world who finds "Terminal" more depressing than "Blake". For some reason I spend all of "Terminal" thinking "Good-bye, Zen; Good-bye Liberator; Good-bye Cally; Good-bye curling iron guns; sniffle..." While in "Blake" I spend most of the episode thinking "no, you idiots! Don't do it!" --Katie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:06:47 EDT From: B7Morrigan@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction Message-ID: <58.12e185a.270401b7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/27/00 8:59:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, d.mcarthur@worldnet.att.net writes: > Oh, tell me I'm not the only person in the world who finds "Terminal" > more depressing than "Blake". For some reason I spend all of "Terminal" > thinking "Good-bye, Zen; Good-bye Liberator; Good-bye Cally; Good-bye > curling iron guns; sniffle..." While in "Blake" I spend most of the episode > thinking "no, you idiots! Don't do it!" OK, Katie, you're not the only one. I dread "Terminal" and have it fixed in my head that Cally dies (even though she doesn't until "Rescue") and everything goes to hell. The only good thing about "Terminal" (at least in my view) is the lovely interaction between Avon and Blake and GT's beard. Morrigan Protons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:59:14 +1000 From: Andrew Williams To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" Subject: [B7L] The Princess Bride Message-ID: <4103E830BB67D211877400A0247B635E34E17A@dialup49.actonline.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain Ellynne wrote: >Strange, in my neck of the woods, I've seen all the Monty Python's Quest >for the Holy Grail quoting slowly replaced by Princess Bride quoting. Inconceivable! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:03:18 +0200 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20000928070215.009d9b00@pop3.wish.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:59 28-9-00 -0500, J MacQueen wrote: >>From: "Una McCormack" >>and a demand for great wodges of cash. > >Ooh, that's what I call paying for your sins. I think GITHOG have just >found a Jacqueline-without-Tellytubbies equivalent. Hmph, just another bloody amateur. Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:59:36 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Anna Message-ID: <20000927.225938.-86437.0.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:20:31 -0700 mistral@centurytel.net writes: > > I think the question of whether Anna loved Avon rather depends > on how you define 'love'. For example the behaviour you describe > above would immediately _eliminate_ love from the words I might > choose from. The only case I can think of in which I might love > someone and not trust them is as a parent. Not that I'm a glutton for punishment, but I can think of _lots_ of cases where I might love someone but not trust them. Some of its situational. There are people I love dearly who can't be trusted to turn on the VCR or remember their own mother's birthdays. _Generally_ trustworthy, but always to be trusted with certain tasks. Then there are those ethical hierarchies. In 'Memory' by Bujold, there's a part where a character named Ivan finds out his cousin, Miles, kept a BIG secret from him but had told his brother, Mark. Without going into complex histories, this leads directly to the incredulous question, "You told Mark but not _me_?" Miles can only reply that he could trust Mark to do what he asked. He could only trust Ivan to do what he thought was right. Then there are cases where people you love _become_ untrustworthy, like when a once trusted person develops a substance problem and will lie, cheat, and steal to support it. Then there's the fact that, sometimes, you can find yourself loving someone who you want to trust - but you don't know if you can (in this case, I'm thinking Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel, but I'm sure there are real life examples not involving the undead). Argument aside, you may be right about Anna. Actually, semantics aside, I agree with you that Anna cared deeply for Avon. Was it love? If it was, she loved herself more. Did she trust him? She didn't trust him enough to think he wouldn't shoot. She didn't know him well enough to think he wouldn't shoot if she didn't draw (although, given how that thinking got some people, this is maybe not a point to be belabored [although I think Avon wouldn't have shot (but am I _sure_?), I also think the way this worked out effected a decision in Blake]). What about before Avon left Earth? She asked him if he trusted her. I think she knew him well enough to know how important that question was - and how important the answer was. She manipulated him, she lied to him, she knew she wasn't worthy of his trust when she asked. The problem remains that I'm still not certain where she was coming from. Did she want him to trust her? Did she, right then, want to be worthy of his trust? Did she ever want to tell him the truth? If she did, what held her back? Loyalty to the Federation? Fear of it? Fear of losing Avon? Fear of having him turn on her? Oh, and let's ask the obvious. Had she ever asked Chesku if he trusted her? Although I'll make some solid guesses about Avon's view of Anna, I admit the woman remains largely a mystery to me. I think she loved him - or came as close to it as she ever would. But whatever leap of love, faith, or selflessness was required to keep her from drawing that gun was beyond her. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:02:46 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Neil's conspiracy theories (was Typesetting preferences) Message-ID: <20000927.230248.-86437.1.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:51:43 +0200 Steve Kilbane writes: > Neil wrote: > > It strikes me as odd that swords'n'sorcery dominates 90 per cent > or more of > > the rolegaming hobby, but I've yet to see a decent > swords'n'sorcery film. > > ..and I thought, "But you've forgotten about, um, er..." > > Star Wars isn't a bad one, though. > > This came up during one of the panels at (I think) Redemption: > there's > a resurgence of interest in fantasy on TV, but little of it is epic > fantasy. Xena and Herc, but most of it's either contemporary or sf. > > My theory was horses: cost too much. > My theory is writers: too many TV folk wouldn't recognize the good ones if the patron saints/dieties of writing from every major religion in the world came down and told them who they were. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:36:06 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction Message-ID: <061c01c0290e$151d8130$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally wrote: > Una wrote: > Anna heresy is *probably* the greater sin. I would insist on all three > Mysteries of the Rosary for that one, whereas for Travis heresy I'd just > give a Hail Holy Queen, an Our Father, and a demand for great wodges of > cash.> > > I don't know any Mysteries, sorry. Would saying three compliments for > Animals do (they'd be fairly mysterious-without-a-capital)? Hmm, OK, so long as you stick a Hail Mary at the end. Una ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:31:06 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction Message-ID: <061b01c0290e$14d5a2c0$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jacqueline wrote: > At 07:59 28-9-00 -0500, J MacQueen wrote: > > > >>From: "Una McCormack" > >>and a demand for great wodges of cash. > > > >Ooh, that's what I call paying for your sins. I think GITHOG have just > >found a Jacqueline-without-Tellytubbies equivalent. > > Hmph, just another bloody amateur. The Teletubbies are indeed a cruel and unusual punishment, but I prefer the straightline simplicity of extortion. Una ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:26:22 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Neil's conspiracy theories (was Typesetting preferences) Message-ID: <061a01c0290e$1479ee30$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit steve: > Una: > > Another woman to add to your tally. The book is just as funny as well, and > > has a brilliant map. > > Really? It's sitting on the shelves, but it's near the bottom of the > to-be-read pile, metaphorically. Someone else read it recently, and said > they found it to be tedious. It's quite possible that I'm superimposing the film over it. Una ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:42:14 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Jacqueline Thijsen >Hmph, just another bloody amateur. Now there's a slogan. For someone... Regards Joanne (off shortly for a longer than usual weekend) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:41:32 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Tue 26 Sep, rita d'orac wrote: > On Mon 25 Sep, Tavia Chalcraft wrote: >=20 > > By the way, Judith, I would guess (as a limited company) I will be able= to > > reclaim the VAT ? >=20 > Well, I wasn't going to admit to being an accountant. Ever. But it didn= 't > seem right to let your questions go unanswered, so here goes: >=20 > If you are registered for VAT, you can reclaim it. You *must* register i= f > your turnover is over the VAT threshold, but you *may* also register if y= our > turnover is lower than the threshold (currently about =A352k). But I presume that if you reclaim it, then you also have to charge it? (Th= at would rather defeat the object of keeping costs down) Judith --=20 http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #271 **************************************