From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #304 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/304 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 304 Today's Topics: Re: [Re: [B7L] Deja Vu] [ Jacqui Speel ] [B7L] BTW, speaking of Lisa's screen [ "Sally Manton" ] Re: [B7L] Avon as loner? (here we go [ "Marian de Haan" ] Re: [B7L] Is Avon dysfunctional? (wa [ "Marian de Haan" ] Re: [B7L] Is Avon dysfunctional? [ "Marian de Haan" ] Re: [B7L] Avon as loner? (was Dorian [ "Marian de Haan" ] Re: [B7L] if Shakespeare wrote Blake [ "Marian de Haan" ] Re: [B7L] Dealing with the TN (was: [ "Marian de Haan" ] [B7L] Third-season Avon (was Is Avon [ Mac4781@aol.com ] Re: [B7L] Had to be seen to be ... b [ "Marian de Haan" ] Re: [B7L] Avon as loner? (was Dorian [ "Sally Manton" To: Subject: Re: [Re: [B7L] Deja Vu] Message-ID: <20001028234327.12359.qmail@ww190.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And to change authors again in Dickens Tale of Two Cities, would Blake be= the hero who is saved, or would he be Sidney Carton sacrificing himself for t= he other two (and Servalan would be Madame Desfarges (spelling again - I hav= e not read the book in a long time) knitting by the gallows) = Betty Ragan wrote: Ellynne G. wrote: > Although the idea of Avon and Vila dragging Blake's, Foress', or anybod= y > else's body through the forests of Florin seems a bit much even for B7 > ("Hello, my name is Kerr Avon. It's 30 minutes into the show, so I'm > sure you killed somebody. Prepare to die."). Oh, they'd drag Blake's body, I'm sure, but Avon would make Vila carry most of it. And I think Dayna would make a better Inigo. Except Servalan would have to be Prince Humperdink, not the six-fingered man. = And I have no idea who Buttercup would be. Hmm, no, OK, I've convinced myself the two don't map. But it would be fun to try! ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home= =2Enetscape.com/webmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:02:56 +1100 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] playing dead Message-ID: <20001029120256.B5992@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Thu, Dec 04, 2036 at 06:00:24PM -0700, Jacqui Speel wrote: > And in Hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy Zaphod Beeblebrox (phonetic spelling) > playing dead for a year for tax purposes No, it wasn't Zaphod, it was Hotblack Desiato, the lead in the rock band Disaster Area. Kathryn Andersen (amazing what trivia is stuck in my brain...) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "It's the weird colour scheme that freaks me. Every time I try to operate one of these weird black controls, labelled in black on a black background, a little black light lights up black to let me know I've done it. What is this, some kind of galactic hyper-hearse?" -- Zaphod Beeblebrox (The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy) -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | \_.--.*/ | v | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 21:41:01 -0400 From: "Dana Shilling" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: between a rock and a hard place Message-ID: <008601c0414a$2f6afd20$c5684e0c@dshilling> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Helen asked: Would Blake have been conned into going to > > Terminal > > for heroic reasons? If so, what would happen at the end of > > Stardrive? "Right. Avon, Vila, get down into that hold--I'm sure she can get it fitted a lot faster if she has some help. Soolin, get me a cup of tea." -(Y) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 20:39:54 -0600 From: Betty Ragan To: B7 Lyst Subject: Re: [Re: [B7L] playing dead] Message-ID: <39FB8DFA.FE193210@sdc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jacqui Speel wrote: > What would Orac make of the Guide (though which of the two computers is he?) Oooh, that's what I wanna see! Orac vs. Eddie, next, on Celebrity DeathMatch! -- Betty Ragan ** ragan@sdc.org ** http://www.sdc.org/~ragan/ "The Himalayas are quite tall at this time of the year." -- Vila Restal, promoting Earth tourism, _Blake's 7_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 07:34:58 GMT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] BTW, speaking of Lisa's screen caputres ... Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I received the CD last week and recommend it whole-heartedly to everyone - it's wonderful, sooo fast to load, utterly simple to operate and of course heaps and heaps of wonderful pictures (and a very nice, neat, professional presentation as well). I love it. A bargain at twice (or even, in my prejudiced eyes, thrice) the price ... Thank you, Lisa. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:11:37 +0100 From: "Marian de Haan" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon as loner? (was Dorian and Avon and *is* long ...) Message-ID: <002e01c04199$019de2a0$1bef72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (Working my way through a week's backlog after my holiday:) Neil wrote: >Y'know, it's rather fun watching a bit of fur flying around on the Lyst whilst knowing that just for once I had nothing to do with it:)< It's I who must plead guilty here, as I think it was my reply to Helen's post about Dorian and Avon which triggered all this response. >Any ideas of Avon spending most of his time brooding in isolation and shunning the proximity of his fellow crew< I would imagine him spending most of his time studying Liberator's systems. And there is that remark by Blake (sorry, can't remember the episode) that Avon seems more at home with machines than people. >probably come from reading too much fanfic.< Neil, Neil, this is heresy from a fanzine-editor :-) >Maybe the notion of Avon-as-loner arose from the way he can distance himself emotionally from people (and situations in general) even when he's in close physical proximity to them. Hence the notion (quite wrong, IMO) of poor ickle wounded Avon hiding in his shell from the nasty big world.< Well, that's not how I see him either. On the contrary, I regard his emotional self-sufficiency as quite healthy. The point I was trying to make, with my usual clumsiness, was that the fact that Avon can get on with his crewmates doesn't have to mean that he can't be content on his own. I suppose, it depends on how you define the word 'loner'. I meant it as someone who doesn't need company to be happy, not as some anti-social recluse unable to interact with other people, nor as someone who wants to hide from the big bad world. >Sounds more to me like an arrogant big-nosed bastard sneering down his snoot at the brainless riffraff whose company he hav to kepe ect.< IMHO his crewmates stop taking him seriously almost from the word go. Jenna's early put downs are a treat (I wish she'd keep them up). Vila always gives back as good as he gets. Cally's looks of patient indulgence speak for themselves. When provoked, Blake can be completely blistering. They're all more than a match for him. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:43:19 +0100 From: "Marian de Haan" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon as loner? (here we go again ...) Message-ID: <003301c0419d$6f8916a0$1bef72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally wrote: >it's like the 'noli me tagere' aspect of his nature, in which he appears at once stand-offish, so much so that a lot of fan lore says he *hates* to be touched - and the undeniable fact that when you watch the episodes, he not only has no problem, but is actually *inclined* to touch, even with those people he doesn't much care for.< Yes, I love that aspect of his nature. And to me it indicates a much more 'normal' (in the sense of undamaged) man than most fans give him credit for :-) >I love that line in Horizon, the quiet satisfaction of his "I am not alone after all". Indicates strongly that he's come to want people - if only *these* people - around (I am not saying for one minute that there are times he doesn't go and hide in one of the most distant hold on the Liberator, just for some time out. Then again, I'm sure Blake and probably Jenna do too :-)).< I interpret that line quite different. I don't hear any satisfaction. To me it sounds like relief that he hasn't risked his life for nothing (wasting time going down to check whether the others really are dead while that Federation flotilla is approaching). > Can't agree (everyone pretend to be surprised ...) I think he's 'fond' of Cally, he likes her (as he is Dayna) and can work well with her in one of her good episodes (Voice being an example) but I see very little evidence that he actively enjoys her conversation or company as such (I love that line about "the sparkling company on the flight deck" from Sarcophagus - he's speaking to one of the *least* sparkling people to ever set foot on the Liberator, after Gan and the Altas). And I'd love to know how you square that 'prepared to take him as he is' bit with Children of Auron/Rumours of Death, where Cally seems to me to resent the fact that he won't defer to her morals (but then my Cally is not a tolerant person. Neither is my Avon for that matter.)< Well, to me Cally's behaviour in Children and Rumours seems dreadfully out of character compared to what we see in the rest of the show. But you're right, I should have said "she usually takes him as he is". It's all those indulgent and tolerant looks she casts him whenever he's being obnoxious, that give me the impression. Also, I regard her as clever enough to realise that trying to change a man like Avon is an exercise in futility :-) >Actually, this could be used as an argument that he *is* a loner by instict, but I think it's more complicated than that. Avon prefers the company of people he likes/enjoys more to being alone< I don't agree with the word 'more'. I'd settle for 'equally', maybe :-) Just IMHO of course. >Errr ... this seems to have gotten rather off the 'is Avon a loner' thread. So what do I think of that idea? Well, as usual, that it's not that simple with Avon, is it :-)? We can agree on that :-) Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:54:10 +0100 From: "Marian de Haan" To: "B7 Lyst" Subject: Re: [B7L] Is Avon dysfunctional? (was Re: Avon as loner?) (long) Message-ID: <003801c0419e$f3280ba0$1bef72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Betty wrote: > Now, me, I think he *was* dysfunctional in certain ways, and to a certain extent (more so as time went on and his circumstances got worse and worse). . . .< IMHO Avon keeps functioning exeptionally well through all the setbacks in S3-4. I read all the transcripts of S4 before before I saw any of the episodes and and I couldn't understand the Avon-goes-mad theory because on paper his actions were as logical as ever. (Yes, even him shooting Blake - he thought the bloke had betrayed him, turned bounty hunter for real and lured them into a trap.) When at last I got the videos of S4 and saw Darrow trying to portray a mad Avon (and failing IMHO) that I understood where the theory came from. But it never convinced me :-) Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:57:03 +0100 From: "Marian de Haan" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Is Avon dysfunctional? Message-ID: <000801c041b0$238d82a0$fded72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carol Mac wrote: >This is where we disagree again. I think. I don't think his approach to emotional issues and interpersonal relationships is so severely maladjusted that he isn't able to cope with the consequences. But that's a judgment call and there really isn't much to say about it except that the manner in which he copes with Anna's betrayal indicated a mentally and emotionally healthy individual to me. Yes, there was an initial shock, but then he pulled himself together and went on.< Exactly. I can't see any difference in Avon's behavior in S3 prior and after Rumours. He seems to recover very quickly from the shock of Anna's betrayal, he even manages to put his own misery aside when he goes to check on Cally. Yes, he has a reason for that - the need to get her to agree they go mining that asteroid. But to me that whole enterprise sounds as such an unlikely project that it makes me suspect him of having come up with it solely to get an excuse for checking on her :-) >I thought he was actually better at reading people than most of his shipmates, but not out of an instinctual empathy with the human race. He observed people and learned from those observations.< His "He's a crusader" is IMHO the best description of Blake from the whole series. >For instance, it was his sure knowledge that his third-season shipmates would support him that made him go through the elaborate effort to keep them out of it.< I find it touching how in Rumours, Avon implicitly trusts his crewmates to get him out of the Federation prison. With him away there was nothing to prevent Tarrant from taking Liberator and run. Cally had been against it from the start and neither Vila nor Dayna would have been able to stop Tarrant abandoning him. Yet Avon seems to be absolutely certain that they'll be there when he needs them. It's one of his most trusting moments. >And that's fine, if it appeals. Why not interpret the show in a way that makes it more enjoyable for you. < And aren't we all glad that the show leaves so much for us to inrterpretate? :-) Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:10:12 +0100 From: "Marian de Haan" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon as loner? (was Dorian and Avon and *is* long ...) Message-ID: <000d01c041b1$fbbda320$fded72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally wrote re Hostage: >"Leave me, watch yourself." Depends on how serious you think he was at that minute - I think he was (to coin a phrase) dead serious.< IMHO he was dead serious, but out of pure self interest :-) By now Travis's fixation on Blake must be apparent to the others. Which means that Avon knows that when Blake runs, Travis will go after him. So, the faster and further away Blake runs, the safer Avon will be. Cold, logical reasoning :-) Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:24:04 +0100 From: "Marian de Haan" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] if Shakespeare wrote Blakes 7 Message-ID: <001201c041b3$e6a50620$fded72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Natasa wrote: >Hence we so often miss proper motivation for his actions - or at least, for the moments when he changes his mind. For example, we are given prefectly solid motivation for his preventing Jenna to bring Blake back from Cygnus Alpha, but we haven't got a clue what happens inside Avon afterwards. Likewise, there is no mistery about Avon's reasons for wanting to desert the crew in Breakdown or Horizon, but it's total mistery why he eventually fails to do so.< Well, to me his reason for returning to Liberator in Breakdown is perfectly clear. With Kayn, who has already sold out Liberator to the Federation, knowing his identity, it must be clear to Avon that Farron's promise of safety is worthless. This really leaves him no alternative but to return to Liberator. Of course, it is also possible that he was disappointed by the level of the technology in the computer section of the space station, or even that he found his future colleagues less challenging than Liberator's crew :-) Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:36:23 +0100 From: "Marian de Haan" To: "B7 Lyst" Subject: Re: [B7L] Dealing with the TN (was: Is Avon dysfunctional?) Message-ID: <001701c041b5$9cd896e0$fded72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Betty wrote: >Well, first of all, I don't think Avon has a particular problem with things like dealing with the Terra Nostra,< Actually, it seems to me he has strong objections to doing business with them. Whether this was on moral grounds is debatable of course, and if it was he would never admit it anyway :-) His reasons may be that he doesn't think it's going to work, in which he's right, and that taking part in the negotiations will bring him into danger, which it does. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 09:37:15 EST From: Mac4781@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Third-season Avon (was Is Avon dysfunctional?) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marian wrote: > Exactly. I can't see any difference in Avon's behavior in S3 prior and > after Rumours. He seems to recover very quickly from the shock of Anna's > betrayal, he even manages to put his own misery aside when he goes to check > on Cally. I do see a difference in his behavior, but it's a positive difference to me, a difference that is only obliquely related to Anna, in that his quest for vengeance set up the changes. RUMOURS forced Avon to get involved with his crew. He'd been trying to maintain a distance up until then. And once he got involved, he couldn't get uninvolved. RUMOURS also showed the third-season crew how deeply Avon could care for someone. So I see a lot of positive things coming out of RUMOURS, and that's what allowed the crew to become the gestalt that Dorian refers to in RESCUE. > Yes, he has a reason for that - the need to get her to agree they go mining > that asteroid. But to me that whole enterprise sounds as such an unlikely > project that it makes me suspect him of having come up with it solely to get > an excuse for checking on her :-) I completely agree with this. It was so typically Avon. His actions show that he cares. And there's that wonderful line that for me personifies the Avon I see on the screen: "Regret is part of being alive. But keep it a small part." > His "He's a crusader" is IMHO the best description of Blake from the whole > series. One of my favorite moments that shows how well Avon knows the others is when he translates for Tarrant at the end of SARCAPHAGUS: TARRANT: You sure you're up to this, Cally? AVON: Translated, that means how do you feel? > I find it touching how in Rumours, Avon implicitly trusts his crewmates to > get him out of the Federation prison. With him away there was nothing to > prevent Tarrant from taking Liberator and run. Nothing except Tarrant himself. I was not surprised that Tarrant was one of the two who teleported down to fetch Avon. Given Tarrant's loyalty and his strong sense of responsibility, I don't think he was far from the teleport the entire time Avon was gone. Carol Mc Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:06:02 +0100 From: "Marian de Haan" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Had to be seen to be ... believed? Message-ID: <001c01c041b9$c3c1ff40$fded72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally asked: >What do people have most problems swallowing? The science? (DotG, for instance - Black hole ahoy! Or Justin's experiments?) The SFX? (actually, the Andromedan's addiction to Kitchen front ship design never bothered me ...) The characters? (Now this is *definitely* my field - trying to take Governor le Grande seriously ... oh dear oh dear).< O dear indeed. Taking Voice from the Past seriously... Travis's mummy disguise... :-) >So when do *you* hear that little mental 'twang' when said suspension gives way entirely?< When one of the regulars is made to act uncharistically stupidly / totally out of character for plot reasons. Glaring examples are: Aftermath: Avon leaving Orac in the care of a blind man while knowing that Servalan is after it. No matter how much blows on the head he's had, his sense for self preservation will make him hang on to his only means for returning to Liberator. He would have taken Orac with him to his bedroom, ordered it to shrink and put it under his pillow :-) Sand: Servalan falling in love with a man as unappetising as Don Keller. (He could have been an Adonis in his youth but somehow I doubt that.) Servalan crying. Tarrant wooing the woman responsible for the death of his brother. Seek-Locate=Destroy and others: Blake letting the man who killed 20 (30?) of his friends go free to kill some more. Power: That silly kiss. Avon's in a hurry to get away, so why waste time on a defeated enemy? Terminal (and this is my pet hate): Avon knowingly walking into a trap and delivering himself into his enemy's hands without a proper rescue plan. Him being caught isn't going to help Blake at all. I can accept Avon doing stupid things, but this seems much too illogical for him. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:22:21 GMT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon as loner? (was Dorian and Avon and *is* long ...) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Marian wrote: No he won't, not with that sort of bartering chip lying there bleeding into the snow. Remember Travis's earliest assessment of his bete noir "he has one reliable fault ... loyalty." And Avon's own crack about the "great big bleeding heart." and most importantly how Travis *got* Blake to Exbar in the first place (not that I'd blame you for forgetting Inga, goodness knows I try to). He had Blake (literally) cold, and (due to yet another rush of cliched-cillan-itis) let him live to get away. Now he can have one of Blake's crew, injured and in his hands ..? He's not *that* stupid (even in Hostage) as to pass it up ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:28:07 GMT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] if Shakespeare wrote Blakes 7 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Marian wrote: Which, as Farren points out, is more than likely to be destroyed in the next hour. Well, as Servie says, there no one more free than a dead man. I always liked Suzann Lovett's suggestion from 'The Road to Hell' - he came back in case the Liberator *didn't* make it. But then I love that story anyway ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:07:43 +1100 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Dealing with the TN (was: Is Avon dysfunctional?) Message-ID: <20001030070743.C3391@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 03:36:23PM +0100, Marian de Haan wrote: > Betty wrote: > >Well, first of all, I don't think Avon has a particular problem with > things like dealing with the Terra Nostra,< > > Actually, it seems to me he has strong objections to doing business with > them. Whether this was on moral grounds is debatable of course, and if it > was he would never admit it anyway :-) His reasons may be that he doesn't > think it's going to work, in which he's right, and that taking part in the > negotiations will bring him into danger, which it does. I agree that Avon has strong objections to doing business with them... and I don't think it was solely pragmatic... well, perhaps that's not the way to put it. Would one call it "moral grounds" when he quite reasonably figures that if you get the Terra Nostra to help with the revolution then the cure would be worse than the disease? The Terra Nostra are bad news whichever way you look at them. Blake was terribly naieve to think that it was a good idea. But then, he'd probably never dealt with them before. Vila had, and I suspect that Avon might have too, hence his knowledge that they were bad news. Kathryn Andersen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Gan: They need help! Avon: Do they? Gan: Well, you heard him. Avon: It's not quite the same thing. Jenna: Avon's right. We need more information. (Blake's 7: Bounty [A11]) -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | \_.--.*/ | v | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:31:35 GMT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Dealing with the TN (was: Is Avon dysfunctional?) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed After Betty wrote: Marian wrote: His reasons may be that he doesn't think it's going to work,> Have to agree, but of course, Avon didn't think they had a hope in hell of winning from the word go ("what do you want to be, rich or dead?"). _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:38:58 GMT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Had to be seen to be ... believed? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Marian wrote: Oh he *did* think up a rescue plan, Marian, I'm sure. Nineteen or twenty of them at least. But after staying awake for thirty hours, then getting that spectacular shaking up from the fluid cloud, everything he could think of was so very (and increasingly) improbable and nonsensical that he just gave up and went for the Cavalry Charge that has always worked so well before.* (*except that it very often didn't, but being tired he forgot that small point.) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:02:15 GMT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] It's all Zen's fault (was: Avon as loner?) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Marian wrote: Well, let us try to be fair (it doesn't to me, but leave that for the moment :-)) I've already established to My Own Satisfaction that Avon had a tummy bug in DeathWatch. Now suppose it was the futuristic (and veeeerrry slow-moving) Bug-That's-Going-Around right the way through Zens' airconditioning system through third season (I work in an office - we have colds that last longer than the War of the Roses) So we get ... - a further explanation of Avon's relative lack of sparkle in Volcano/Dawn (he picked it up on Sarran). - Dayna gets a touch of it round about Kairos - being young and ultra-fit, she throws it off easily, but it explains her thickness in letting Servie go. - Cally picks it up just before Children and that makes *her* sour and rather crabby. - it appears to go away for a while, but Tarrant definitely has a dose in Moloch. - then My Poor Darling gets it back in Deathwatch (seeing as he is cheif candidate for Suffering, Beautiful or definitely *Not*, this is only fair). Well, I like it ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 00 13:40:09 PST From: Jacqui Speel To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [Re: [B7L] Had to be seen to be ... believed?] Message-ID: <20001029214009.10448.qmail@wwcst088.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One reason why Servalan was lying about Blake being dead in Terminal - su= rely she would have had it broadcast over all the news-services across Federat= ion territory and beyond? "Sally Manton" wrote: Marian wrote: Oh he *did* think up a rescue plan, Marian, I'm sure. Nineteen or twenty= of = them at least. But after staying awake for thirty hours, then getting th= at = spectacular shaking up from the fluid cloud, everything he could think of= = was so very (and increasingly) improbable and nonsensical that he just ga= ve = up and went for the Cavalry Charge that has always worked so well before.= * (*except that it very often didn't, but being tired he forgot that small = point.) _________________________________________________________________________= Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.= Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at = http://profiles.msn.com. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home= =2Enetscape.com/webmail ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 00 13:46:26 PST From: Jacqui Speel To: "Blakes 7 list" Subject: Re: [Re: [B7L] playing dead] Message-ID: <20001029214626.18768.qmail@ww185.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There appears to be a timewarp here. Kathryn Andersen wrote: On Thu, Dec 04, 2036 at 06:00:24PM -0700, Jacqui Speel wrote: > And in Hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy Zaphod Beeblebrox (phonetic spelling) > playing dead for a year for tax purposes No, it wasn't Zaphod, it was Hotblack Desiato, the lead in the rock band Disaster Area. = ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home= =2Enetscape.com/webmail ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 00 13:48:22 PST From: Jacqui Speel To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Crossovers Message-ID: <20001029214822.24217.qmail@www0p.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just watched Dr Who Timeslash = That laugh (and that hair!) ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home= =2Enetscape.com/webmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:13:20 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] The best known Pauline Hanson quote (was Avon as loner?) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed That's right, Sally: "Please explain". >From: Mistral >Sally Manton wrote: > > Goodness, Joanne proved quite conclusively that it isn't even > >canonical that the Lobster Top is red! >Really? I'm sorry to have missed that So'm I. Way I feel at the moment, however, that isn't entirely surprising. Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:56:40 -0000 From: "Jane Elizabeth MacDonald" To: Subject: [B7L] Re: TV Years Message-ID: <002701c041fb$811afc40$e329883e@orac> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just turned on Sky One for the end of TV Years 1981 at 9-30 pm and they were showing Blake's 7. I missed most of it but I saw a picture of Dayna and Tarrant. Did anyone see the whole thing? Jane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:03:28 -0000 From: "Pat Sumner" To: Subject: [B7L] Rumours of Blake's death Message-ID: <005a01c041fc$79205520$191a883e@s5e8f3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Jacqui Speel" Subject: Re: [Re: [B7L] Had to be seen to be ... believed?] > One reason why Servalan was lying about Blake being dead in Terminal - surely > she would have had it broadcast over all the news-services across Federation > territory and beyond? I disagree with this. It was established in series one (Seek-Locate-Destroy to be precise) that all news of Blake's 'activities' was being suppressed. The official story would have been that Blake was rotting on Cygnus Alpha. If it was then announced that Blake had been killed (on Jevran or anywhere that wasn't Cygnus Alpha), then that would cast doubt on the official story established previously; and by extension would cast doubt on all official Federation announcements. - Wildean "Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation." -- Oscar Wilde ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:45:36 GMT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] It's all Zen's fault (was: Avon as loner?) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Further to the Bug-That-Didn't-Die ... It just occurred to me that this is a perfect explanation for Avon's looking for Blake *in* the third series (for those who can't accept the simple 'of course he does, it's Blake' argument :-)). It's obvious. Given the 'mother's-home-remedies' that the others suggest ... Vila's patented faux-chicken and soma soup, Tarrant's militarily-tough senega-and-ammonia and caster oil, and Cally's totally indecipherable and unspeakable Auron potions ("my people have a saying ... the worse it taste, the better it must be for you") AND Zen's offering of assorted unpronouncable chemicals (with the new improved petroleum flavour) ... he's desperate to get the recipe for Great-Grandma Rojina's Ersatz-Blackcurrent-Concentrate-and-Rum Toddy (hey, the mindwipe didn't take *everything* ...) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #304 **************************************