From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #36 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/36 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 36 Today's Topics: [B7L] Fwd: Re:FC:Cukt TV Re: [B7L] Cult TV 2000 [B7L] Servalan's Manipulations (was Animals.. me too) Re: [B7L] Beatles 7 [B7L] bullies Re: [B7L] bullies [B7L] PGPs Re: Sources (was Re: [B7L] Motivations and Justifications (Part Three)) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 07:19:31 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Carolan?= To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Fwd: Re:FC:Cukt TV Message-ID: <20000206151931.21653.qmail@web1703.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Steve Rogerson said, "Though it's sad that Paul will no longer be at Cult TV, I can't help thinking about what the work committment is for late October that he knows about already. Could it be he's got the green light (ie the money) for the B7 film?" Cukt TV....is that Klingon TV, Steve Sorry to disappoint you,it isn't the B7 film. Paul's Corporate Entertainment company has got a booking. His letter to Cult TV is on file at their Onelist and available to members, so nosey old me just had to look. Carolan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 16:43:28 -0000 From: "David A McIntee" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Cult TV 2000 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I keep forgetting to change the reply address, since with freeserve it's the bit after the @ that's unique to each user... ---------- > From: Carolan > > News for anyone going to (or thinking of going to) > CULT TV in Torquay 27-30 0ct 2000....They have just > announced that Paul Darrow won't be a guest after all, > as he's working that weekend. > But don't let that put you off going... OTOH, Paul Cornell is going - *do* let that put you off... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 14:17:31 -0500 From: Cam MacLeod To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Servalan's Manipulations (was Animals.. me too) Message-ID: <389DC8C7.9CBF3641@ilap.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pat P wrote:

What if there were certain 'embarassments' Servalan/Sleer wanted to be
rid of? Federation citizens that she could not have (legally)
eliminated. People who knew things about her. How convenient if she
could program Avon to visit these folks. How even more convenient if
such encounters resulted in the untimely demise of those persons?
Persons such as: Dr. Mueller, Dr. Plaxton, the rotund Space Princess
Purser (Gold), the crooked miner (Games), Dr. Egrorian, Zukan, (the list
of 4th season fatalities is a long one) ... Blake!

I find this idea totally fascintating - and completely believable. The idea that Servalan was "running" Avon throughout the 4th season seems entirely possible to me given the enormous co-incidences about the people they were both interested in and those people's previous personal involvement with Servalan.

But, it seems entirely possible Servalan could have been manipulating the ENTIRE "resistance" including our crew. This would in keeping with B7 precedent -  The President of the Federation controlled the Terra Nostra in the 2nd season ("To have total control you must control totally, both sides of the law.").  And it would nicely tie in with Avon's own wrenching history with Anna ("stayed close and let you run").

Use the rebels to further your own ambition of achieving Federation power, make sure the rebels don't really achieve much, eliminate some pesky figures from your past, control one of your enemies, AND become rich in the process...Seems like a PERFECT Servalan plot to me.

Just think of the evil glee she would have just waiting for the perfect moment to reveal all to Avon in her moment of victory. What a wonderful plot idea!

Cam. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 08:51:59 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Beatles 7 Message-ID: <20000206215159.92250.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Pat Patera >Sleer and her minions can be the Blue Meanies. Oh God, I can see that - Servalan yelling "Smash them, glove"; and Jarriere reappearing as the clueless Max, being beaten until he remembers that affirmative answers require a "No, Your Blueness". Regards Joanne (grinning) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 16:32:24 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: B7 Lysator Subject: [B7L] bullies Message-ID: <389E1298.454E9B60@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mistral wrote: >[ObB7: Does it strike others, as it strikes me, >that the job of Federation Trooper attracts bullies? >Does the screening process hunt for this trait or is it a result of the training? >Is that a commentary on modern law-enforcement types?] Travis was a bully when he tortured Cally. When he massacred the peaceful Freedom Party gathering. When he tormented his mutoid 'friend'. But he can't hold a candle to Super bully Servalan/Sleer. It is unconsionable the way she abuses her position in instances too numerous to list. Except for Travis who, admittedly, gets 90% of Federation Trooper screen time, few of the 'force' seem like bullies. First we meet baby doll curly locks Ray (Seek Locate Destroy). In Rumours, we get to know the philosophical palace guards, i.e. "Some days are better than others, Trooper (Smith)" Courtroom guards Trooper Parr and pal seemed pleasant enough (Trial). Even Old Starkiller seemed reasoned and fair. A slave to tradition. Remember how he paused to adjust Trooper Parr's collar pin. Likewise, the Major (Tharnia?) in Trial. She did not hold herself above the law, as Servalan did. Now in today's police state in the US, merrily tossing non violent offenders in jail (for taking a toke) it's a different story. A law teacher mentioned the time he asked a survivor of Nazi Germany, 'At what point did you realize what your nation was becoming?" The answer: "When our peace officers looked like soldiers." Cops in the US look mightily scary, in their jackboots, helmets and dark shades; an arsenal of weapons on the belt; big snarly German shephard dogs on leash; billy club in hand. Get the picture? I believe the 'fashion accessories' of the force attract bullies who feel they need all these 'power gadgets' to impose their will on others. On New Year's Eve at the downtown fireworks, there was a full platoon of such helmeted, be-dogged, weapon-bedraped decked-out goons marching about in their high black jack boots. Heil Hitler wannabes? Pat P PS Mistral, you must type about 400 words a minute to type so much! __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 19:37:50 -0700 From: Penny Dreadful To: B7 Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] bullies Message-Id: <4.1.20000206190910.00947220@mail.powersurfr.com> Message-Id: <4.1.20000206190910.00947220@mail.powersurfr.com> Message-Id: <4.1.20000206190910.00947220@mail.powersurfr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yo Pat, Servalan, you're right, is a great big bully. A great petite bully, at any rate. But as for... >Courtroom guards Trooper Parr and pal seemed pleasant >enough (Trial). ...allow me to quote Trooper Par on the gunning down of 'unarmed civilians'. "THANIA: Trooper Par? Do you think he's guilty? PAR: No doubt about it, Major. He gave the order. We just did the shooting." Not a 'bully' perhaps but 'pleasant' would not be one of the adjectives that springs to *my* mind. The cop comments, now them I ain't touching with a ten-foot truncheon. --Penny "Shot Both Sides" Dreadful ______________________________ "No rules, no naps, no shoes!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 01:00:37 -0800 From: "Sarah Thompson" To: Subject: [B7L] PGPs Message-ID: <003501bf7149$fb16f400$8bd88ad1@y1i7s9> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm working my way through J. Kel's "Pattern of Infinity," downloaded from the online B7 fan fiction archive (can't remember the url off the top of my head, but you can get there easily from Judith's web page). It's long and complicated, and I'm enjoying it a lot so far. There have been all kinds of interesting plot twists, including various deaths and resurrections, and I can't begin to imagine how it is all going to end. Has anyone else read this novel yet, and what did you think? Reading this soon after Gillian Marsden's "Chameleons" has gotten me thinking about PGPs. (Er, that's Post Gauda Prime, aka Series 5, for anyone new to B7 fanfic jargon.) Do most fans enjoy them? More or less than other genres of fan fiction? What constitutes an especially good one? (By the way, this is =not= the same story as Ana Dorfstad's "Pattern of Infinity" in the =Enarrarre= B7 special, another excellent story-- and zine-- that I hope will be reprinted or put on line soon.) Sarah T. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 04:33:37 -0800 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: Sources (was Re: [B7L] Motivations and Justifications (Part Three)) Message-ID: <389EBBA1.F143EE4F@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil Faulkner wrote: > >All reporting is inevitably biased; based simply on the law > > of averages, the majority of (free) media reporting should therefore > > be biased in favour of majority opinion (and thus reinforce trends, > > whether good or ill, true or false), wouldn't you say? > > The oft-touted myth of the objective journalist has, IMO, provoked a > countermyth, namely the myth of the myth of the objective journalist. IOW, > exactly the kind of simplistic black-and-white view of the world that the > tabloids like to peddle. Journalism can strive towards objectivity, even if > it can never attain it. So reluctant to agree that you must first contradict me, and then contradict yourself? And I thought I was perverse! FTR, the black-and-white/shades of grey dichotomy is just more of the same. The world is a bit of both, and it is possible to distinguish between shades of grey. > The tone was definitely intentional, and mainly because I found myself > disagreeing with you even more than usual:) Would've been my guess. Irreconcilable viewpoints. Shall we meet in the forest at dawn with pointy sticks? I'll bring my mutoid. Mistral -- "Who do you serve? And who do you trust?" --Galen, 'Crusade' -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #36 *************************************