From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #57 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/57 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 57 Today's Topics: [B7L] Blakes 7 Magazines for Sale Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves-Not Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves-Not FW: Re [B7L]: 'Beautiful' suffering? Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves Re: Re [B7L]: 'Beautiful' suffering? Re: Re [B7L]: 'Beautiful' suffering? Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves-Not [B7L] Introduction [B7L] too much blakes 7 when... Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves Re: [B7L] Introduction [B7L] Re: LHO and JFK [B7L] Re: Pat & JFK [B7L] sods and soul mates ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 17:04:27 -0700 From: Penny Dreadful To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Blakes 7 Magazines for Sale Message-Id: <4.1.20000301135616.00989ac0@mail.powersurfr.com> Message-Id: <4.1.20000301135616.00989ac0@mail.powersurfr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" "kokhin looi" asks me to pass this on: I have found some old Blakes 7 magazines in my loft that date back to Oct 81 iss1 to 13 Number 12 is missing. Can you put me in touch with anyone or club that is interested in collecting this type of stuff. Yours Sincerely kokhinl@hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:32:10 -0700 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves-Not Message-ID: <20000302.223219.-211129.0.Rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1.Gan reminds me of a big, friendly dog. I don't like dogs. 2. Continuing with the dog theme, Gan is like this neighborhood dog that, during life and death crises, has been known to give a doggy smile, wag his tale, and walk away without ever noticing his help would be appreciated. 3. If Avon's more like a computer than Gan, how come Gan is the only one who's ever been impersonated by a computer--and only the _computer_ noticed? 4. At least when Cally lets aliens on board, she's been possessed. Gan rolls out the welcome mat ("And would you like a spot of tea with your galactic domination?"). 5. When the others accidentally let hostile aliens on board and get attacked by them, they don't conclude that maybe these are friendly aliens who just needed to feel more welcome. 6. However, if Gan had made it to Star One, he would have stopped the war before it started. Five minutes of his "I'm OK, you're OK" approach, possibly followed by an attempt to start an encounter group with them and Travis, would have scared them right out of the galaxy. 7--Oh, all right, I'm being grossly unfair. Gan was a nice guy, and the world needs more nice guys. The B7 universe could use a mass infusion. But he was _boring_. No angst-the limitor kept him from expressing any. No sarcasm or appreciation for irony-which had to be his own problem. He was the only one in the group who seemed to be _enjoying_ Cygnus Alpha. And they never had any fun with him. Like, say, Gan and Avon marooned in space. Gan decides to keep Avon's spirits up with an endless round of camp songs (Avon, being wounded, can only suffer beautifully instead of rewiring the limitor to stop Gan from ever thinking of music again). Or Gan saves the galaxy by assuming everyone is really just misunderstood and needs a hug (the frustrated villains suffer heart attacks while trying to explain that, "No, we're really evil. You understand? Evil! We kill pink, fuzzy bunnies for fun. We hired Servalan's tailors. There's no depravity we wouldn't inflict on the universe, understand?" And Gan just replies, "Oh, you only think you're that way. Come on, let's turn that frown upside down. Have a smiley face sticker.") It occurs to me that Gan could have fallen through a wormhole into the "Back to the Beach" movie and easily passed himself off as Annette Funnicello's long lost brother. That part where Annette's daughter questions Annette's belief that having a pajama party with all her old friends will somehow solve all her problems and bring her recently seperated husband back to her and Annette says, "I don't know, life's always just worked out that way for me." Surely I'm not the only one who suspects that, if Gan had been in charge, there would have been an early effort to overthrow the Federation through means of a surfing contest? Or would he prefer cricket? Besides, like I said, Gan was just a big, friendly dog. And I don't _like_ dogs. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 18:06:51 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves-Not Message-ID: <20000302070651.79207.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Ellynne G." >Surely I'm not the only one who suspects that, if Gan had been in charge, >there would have been an early effort to overthrow the Federation through >means of a surfing contest? Or would he prefer cricket? Well, I would, for what it's worth. Then Gan can be trained in impersonating Merv Hughes (though I don't know about that moustache - I don't think it's really Gan at all); and Judith & co would love to be trained to chant the mantra "Legend, deadset legend", I'm sure! Regards Joanne (definitely time to leave work, most definitely) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:44:46 +1100 From: Andrew Williams To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" Subject: FW: Re [B7L]: 'Beautiful' suffering? Message-ID: <4103E830BB67D211877400A0247B635E15ED66@dialup49.actonline.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain Neil wrote: >(if it was me, I would probably have hidden in a cupboard or something). Thus Vila is vindicated yet again (Headhunter). Andrew. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 05:52:17 EST From: Mac4781@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrew wrote: > Gan was more handsome than Tarrant (ducks). Oh, Andrew, if that's the only thing you can come up with that Gan is "better" at than Tarrant, then you belong in the Tarrant Nostra. We're engraving your name in the record books immediately. However, we are not including you in our ranks of sharpshooters as we think your eyes may be a tad dodgy. :) Ellynne wrote: > 4. At least when Cally lets aliens on board, she's been possessed. Gan > rolls out the welcome mat ("And would you like a spot of tea with your > galactic domination?"). LOL! Good one. But while I'm here, I'd like to get a bit serious about Gan who is often so underappreciated. > But he was _boring_. No angst-the limitor kept him from expressing any. Alas, alas. I see a far more complex and interesting Gan than you do. No angst? This is the poor guy who had to reluctantly admit he was staying on Liberator because "I have to. I... I want to stay alive. And to do that I need people I can rely on. I can't be on my own." That's suffering, and it's better suffering because he's not sobbing his eyes out and wearing his heart on his sleeve. Gan knows he's a liability, that there are times when he's going to be helpless to help. Wonderful angst potential there. > No sarcasm or appreciation for irony-which had to be his own problem. I rather liked it that Gan was able to relate to people without defensive irony and sarcasm as protective armor. That doesn't mean he wasn't aware of irony, as in SHADOW: AVON: Your professional simplicity is beginning to irritate me. ENFORCER: Well think of it as a temporary problem. Move. GAN (after whopping enforcer and knocking him out): Simple enough for you? > He > was the only one in the group who seemed to be _enjoying_ Cygnus Alpha. I'd say he was making the best of a very bad situation. > Surely I'm not the only one who suspects that, if Gan had been in charge, > there would have been an early effort to overthrow the Federation through > means of a surfing contest? Or would he prefer cricket? I wouldn't mind seeing either. Cricket would have been a lot more entertaining and far less dangerous than revolution, and it couldn't have been any less successful than the more violent attempts to bring down the Federation that we saw in the show. But this image of Gan as a fuzzy teddy bear (or dog) does seem to overlook his take charge with a vengeance approach in SPACEFALL. GAN: Look, we only need the hand. If you want to stay attached to it, do as you're told. When you are as large as Gan is, you can go a long way on intimidation factor alone. And he used that with chilling effectiveness in SPACEFALL. I can't watch that bit without getting shivers up my spine. Gan's the man! Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:39:00 -0000 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: Re [B7L]: 'Beautiful' suffering? Message-ID: <002001bf8475$ef731540$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Louise wrote: > Try "Sleepy Hollow" - I don' t think I've ever seen anyone faint so many times in a film :-) But that's a Tim Burton film, I believe, and therefore breaks all the rules by definition, Neil "I am not a man, I am a free number." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:55:52 -0000 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: Re [B7L]: 'Beautiful' suffering? Message-ID: <002101bf8475$f12f1d20$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve K wrote: > > The trouble with action bitches is that however positive a depiction of > > women they may be (though the positivity of the values they embody is > > questionable within a gender-free context), they cannot escape being a > > vicarious expression of male doubts over the authenticity of the machismo > > myth. > > Hmm. While I can't argue the male fantasy thing, I can poke the latter > a bit: namely, action-oriented, tough, violent responses to a situation > aren't the sole perogative of the male. Agreed, but there is a difference in the stock responses of the typical male and female action hero. The former might do little more than flare his nostrils or narrow his eyes menacingly (if you can see them behind his cool mirror shades), whilst the latter typically screams, hollers, shudders, quivers, retches and leaves a glistening trail of cold sweat in her wake. > It's only seen that way because it's usually portrayed that way. And portrayals are pernicious things. Neil "I am not a man, I am a free number." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:08:28 EST From: Prmolloy@aol.com To: rilliara@juno.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves-Not Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/2/00 1:52:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, rilliara@juno.com writes: << 1.Gan reminds me of a big, friendly dog. I don't like dogs. I LOVE dogs (have two of my own) but let's face it, their thought processes pretty much revolve around sniffing things, marking things, eating things, and sleeping. Gan might be a big St. Bernard - a recuse type dog with generations of instinct bred into him, but there are no deep thought echoing in his large doggy brain. 2. Continuing with the dog theme, Gan is like this neighborhood dog that, during life and death crises, has been known to give a doggy smile, wag his tale, and walk away without ever noticing his help would be appreciated. 3. If Avon's more like a computer than Gan, how come Gan is the only one who's ever been impersonated by a computer--and only the _computer_ noticed? Since we're on the animal theme, Avon's more like a cat than a computer: self-possessed, independent, and intolerant of the wrong attention. I think he does the hissing pretty well too. (there a story about Vila turning into a beagle and Avon turning into a cat that is quite on point here). 4. At least when Cally lets aliens on board, she's been possessed. Gan rolls out the welcome mat ("And would you like a spot of tea with your galactic domination?"). Very much like a large Golden Retreiver wagging his tail furiously at the burglars breaking into your home. 5. When the others accidentally let hostile aliens on board and get attacked by them, they don't conclude that maybe these are friendly aliens who just needed to feel more welcome. Perhaps a lick, or a sniff in the right place will do .... 6. However, if Gan had made it to Star One, he would have stopped the war before it started. Five minutes of his "I'm OK, you're OK" approach, possibly followed by an attempt to start an encounter group with them and Travis, would have scared them right out of the galaxy. I don't think Star One permitted animals - too much slobbering on the critical computers and all that ... 7--Oh, all right, I'm being grossly unfair. Gan was a nice guy, and the world needs more nice guys. The B7 universe could use a mass infusion. But he was _boring_. No angst-the limitor kept him from expressing any. No sarcasm or appreciation for irony-which had to be his own problem. He was the only one in the group who seemed to be _enjoying_ Cygnus Alpha. And they never had any fun with him. Like, say, Gan and Avon marooned in space. Gan decides to keep Avon's spirits up with an endless round of camp songs (Avon, being wounded, can only suffer beautifully instead of rewiring the limitor to stop Gan from ever thinking of music again). Or Gan saves the galaxy by assuming everyone is really just misunderstood and needs a hug (the frustrated villains suffer heart attacks while trying to explain that, "No, we're really evil. You understand? Evil! We kill pink, fuzzy bunnies for fun. We hired Servalan's tailors. There's no depravity we wouldn't inflict on the universe, understand?" And Gan just replies, "Oh, you only think you're that way. Come on, let's turn that frown upside down. Have a smiley face sticker.") It occurs to me that Gan could have fallen through a wormhole into the "Back to the Beach" movie and easily passed himself off as Annette Funnicello's long lost brother. That part where Annette's daughter questions Annette's belief that having a pajama party with all her old friends will somehow solve all her problems and bring her recently seperated husband back to her and Annette says, "I don't know, life's always just worked out that way for me." Surely I'm not the only one who suspects that, if Gan had been in charge, there would have been an early effort to overthrow the Federation through means of a surfing contest? Or would he prefer cricket? Besides, like I said, Gan was just a big, friendly dog. And I don't _like_ dogs. Ellynne I do, and Gan was a lovely pet. It's a terrible fact that all pet owners must face: our pets have a much shorter life span than we do. At least Blake was never faced with the decision of putting Gan down; Travis was considerate enough to arrange for Gan to go out heroically, serving his master to the end. Trish ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg01.mx.aol.com (rly-yg01.mail.aol.com [172.18.14 >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:28:50 -0000 From: "Ariana" To: "b7" Subject: [B7L] Introduction Message-ID: <00a201bf8486$129c9900$bfe407c3@ariana> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone "Who she?" you probably all asked when I posted that bit about the "Strangerers" on Sky One. Given the stunned silence I got as a reaction, I think it would have been a good idea if I introduced myself first! :) I'm 27, and although I was born and raised in France, I've been working for three years in London. In real life, I'm a computer technician, but I'm also a big telly addict, with a particular interest in sci-fi shows. Recent interests have included Star Trek: The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, and Space: 1999. Assuming there's any interest, you can read the results of my passage in those fandoms at http://www.alpha.ndirect.co.uk. My only "real" claim to fame is winning Sky One's Trekmasters competition last year! I enjoy writing and reading fanfiction of all kinds. In fact, the first I heard of Blake's 7 was when I started lurking on the alt.startrek.creative newsgroup and stumbled on a discussion about slash. OK, so that probably wasn't the most orthodox introduction to the unfortunate show! ;) More recently, I've been hearing a lot of good about the series from Space:1999 fans, and not least, from my boyfriend, who holds that Blake's 7 is one of the best TV shows ever. So now, the BBC is showing the series again, and I'm looking forward to finding out what the palaver is all about! Ariana ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:58:25 -0000 From: "Alison Page" To: "lysator" Subject: [B7L] too much blakes 7 when... Message-ID: <001001bf848a$2876f0a0$ca8edec2@pre-installedco> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you listen to the radio, and rate songs particularly highly when you can fit them to B7 characters... I was reading some poetry and the same thing started happening. Auden isn't my absolute favourite poet but I think he fits B7 particularly well for some reason. He's very slashy (of course), rather camp and dark at the same time. Most people probably know this one, but it never struck me how well it fitted Servalan. In almost every detail (I suppose you'd have to change the last word to .. what?... test tubes?) I've flipped the pronouns too of course Perfection, of a kind, was what she was after And the poetry she invented was easy to understand She knew human folly like the back of her hand And was greatly interested in armies and fleets; When she laughed, respectable senators burst with laughter And when she cried the little children died in the streets Alison ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:26:57 -0000 From: "Andrew Ellis" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves Message-ID: <007201bf848e$12280ba0$b69b01d5@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Oh, Andrew, if that's the only thing you can come up with that Gan >is "better" at than Tarrant, then you belong in the Tarrant Nostra. We're >engraving your name in the record books immediately. However, we are not >including you in our ranks of sharpshooters as we think your eyes may be a >tad dodgy. :) Oh Carol , I was just trying to be nice. If you really want to know, Gan was more mature than Tarrant. But then so was Dayna. And Vila. And Cassabi's (sp) daughter. And Servalan. Get the picture. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 14:41:12 -0700 From: Penny Dreadful To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction Message-Id: <4.1.20000302141055.00a2d130@mail.powersurfr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:28 PM 02/03/00 +0000, Ariana wrote: >Hello everyone Hello Ariana. Welcome to the house of fun. >"Who she?" you probably all asked when I posted that bit about the >"Strangerers" on Sky One. Given the stunned silence I got as a reaction, I >think it would have been a good idea if I introduced myself first! :) I have been posting here for well over a year and have become quite accustomed to the sound of stunned silence in response -- although I prefer to think of it as speechlessness in the face of my awesome intellect and impeccable prose. ObB7, GAN [cheerfully]: So how 'bout that Space-Hockey game last night? REST OF CREW: (Moopy silence.) GAN: Any of you have a chance to catch it? [Cally and Jenna roll their eyes at each other. Vila clutches his head and curls up into an even tighter ball. Blake and Avon continue the icy-staring contest they have been engaged in for the last half hour] GAN: The Mars Mutoids looked like they had it sewed up, but then their goalie ran low on blood serum and the Cygnus Alpha Psychos really started kicking... ORAC: Gan! Fetch! [A brightly coloured space-rubber ball bounces across the flight deck floor and out the door with Gan in dogged pursuit] [Several more minutes of silence] BLAKE: Orac, just out of curiosity, how did you manage to throw that ball? ORAC: (Moopy silence.) ...and so on. -- For A Dread Time, Call Penny: http://members.tripod.com/~Penny_Dreadful/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 15:17:13 -0800 From: Susie Wright To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: LHO and JFK Message-ID: <38BEF678.3173EF83@home.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------3955961AFC5E08A4EED2C532" --------------3955961AFC5E08A4EED2C532 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bravo, Ellynne!! re: Oliver Stone was really hired by Servalan to cover up how a slightly unbalanced Federation thug by the name of Travis... etc. And Pat... Oliver Stone is a movie director who made "JFK" based on a lawyer's (Garrison) book about his investigation into the assassination and the subsequent cover up of critical information. It is widely believed that Lee Harvey Oswald wasn't alone and that there were at least 2 men on a grassy knoll along the route of JFK's limo. The preschool kids aren't as bad as the Decimas, they're not noisy but they are lively. I end up hanging with the class clown types until the preschool teacher comes over and shushes them/me. Always a rebel at heart! Oh well... Susie --------------3955961AFC5E08A4EED2C532 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bravo, Ellynne!!

re: Oliver Stone was really hired by Servalan to cover up how a slightly unbalanced Federation thug by the name of Travis... etc.

And Pat... Oliver Stone is a movie director who made "JFK" based on a lawyer's (Garrison) book about his investigation into the assassination and the subsequent cover up of critical information.  It is widely believed that Lee Harvey Oswald wasn't alone and that there were at least 2 men on a grassy knoll along the route of JFK's limo.

The preschool kids aren't as bad as the Decimas, they're not noisy but they are lively.  I end up hanging with the class clown types until the preschool teacher comes over and shushes them/me.  Always a rebel at heart!  Oh well...

Susie --------------3955961AFC5E08A4EED2C532-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 15:20:49 -0800 From: Susie Wright To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Pat & JFK Message-ID: <38BEF751.B2D1F7C4@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry, someone already answered your question... I'm just replying as I come to the messages in the digest. Sometimes I do read the whole digest before I reply, but not this time. Anyway... Susie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 13:54:45 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: B7 Lysator Subject: [B7L] sods and soul mates Message-ID: <38BEE325.1567C907@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil wrote: >Since when have I discussed British labour laws? I know sod all about them. I was speaking metaphorically about the serious subjects you present. For example: >Authentic male responses to dangerous situations seem to be confined to. >'serious' action dramas, such as realistic war films (Platoon, The Thin Red >Line, etc). Within the context of the primarily escapist, the machismo >myth still rules. and >Making Avon vulnerable wouldn't so much generate an erotic response as magnify a >pre-existing one, as a result of the shift in relative empowerment. Not that I am complaining! You always give me lots to think about. I am just too silly and scattered to take up the thread. > A diamond shines all the brighter for being stuck in a cowpat. *Now* I'm complaining! That's cowPIE not cowPAT --------- re: Soul Mates off topic Ellynne wrote: >If there's one term the English language would be better off without, >it's "soul mates." It's also been attacking me lately - even in B7! >As near as I understand it, "soul mate" is some vague idea about this >perfect person waiting out there and, once you meet them, life is like >some perfect (and sappy) romance novel. no no no. A soul mate is someone *exactly* like you. If you ever met one, you'd know *instinctively* what a soul mate really is. Granted, the tacky consumer culture image has made the term into a sleezy, lovesickness travesty. But I know better. I once met a soul mate: a fellow as flaky and ill-suited for this plane of existence as myself. We would have been a disaster if we ever teamed up for any sort of relationship or - horrors!!! living arrangement. Talk about the blind leading the blind! But it is wonderful to meet someone who *thinks* exactly as you do, and *sees* the world in the same way, in the same shades of gray. A rare (fortunately) and eye opening experience. Scary, really, to see your bad qualities on parade (along with the good). Were any of the characters on B7 soulmates? The closest would have been Soolin and Anna. Except that Soolin was straightforward and Anna underhanded. So no, they were simply both pragmatic. Jenna and Anna? Closer: pragmatic and idealistic. We really don't know Anna well enough to guess. Blake and his clone might have been soul mates. Just imagine how much trouble the two of them could have gotten into as a team. They'd be dead in a week! Pat P.S. Avona, loved your Way To Go's (tee hee) -- "Never give up. Never surrender." -- Galaxy Quest __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #57 *************************************