From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #77 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/77 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 77 Today's Topics: [B7L] Re: Animals Re: [B7L] Greetings [B7L] Re: Ali G Interviews Kerr Avon Re: [B7L] Greetings [B7L] Another Shade of Blue [B7L] Re: Was Animals some time ago Re: [B7L] Greetings [B7L] Avon drool Guest Stars (was Re: [B7L] Re: Animals) Re: [B7L] Avon drool Re: [B7L] hyperspace Re: [B7L] Another Shade of Blue Re: [B7L] Off topic--UK sports [B7L] Avon - Meegat Re: [B7L] Re: Mary Poppins/Avon Re: [B7L] Belbin Re:[B7L] First impressions: "The Web" [B7L] Animals (was Greetings) Re: [B7L] hyperspace [B7L] Lost in Cyberspace Re: [B7L] First impressions: "The Web" Re: [B7L] Re: Animals Re: [B7L] The nature of WEB sites. Re: [B7L] Re: Costume/Prop Reference Book Re: [B7L] Re: Animals [B7L] RPG Female Fans [B7L] ADMIN: Maximum allowed size of posting Re: [B7L] The nature of WEB sites. Re: [B7L] RPG Female Fans Re: [B7L] RPG Female Fans Re: [B7L] Ali G interviews Kerr Avon Re: [B7L] Commiseration/Hunter Re: [B7L] Darkheart website Re: [B7L] Neil, the changed man Re: [B7L] Darkheart website ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:35:03 -0800 From: Susie Wright To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Animals Message-ID: <38D5C696.6BA67A34@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From Marian: "Wicked thought: suppose for a moment that Avon was not played by Paul Darrow (unimaginable, I know; just try it for the sake of argument). Instead, Paul was given the guest role of Justin. Now, would that have made 'Animals' our all time favourite episode?" I wonder because Avon didn't make an impression on me (and others) right away. He had to grow on you when you weren't looking and then suddenly - hey, who's THAT guy? So for Paul to have guested in one episode, he may not have made the intense impact he did as a regular cast member, but he might have grown in our hearts after repeated viewings of this episode. Can you think of other guest stars who made a huge impact on B7 fandom? The thought had me playing around with what if the B7 actors were cast differently? (Same cast, different parts.) Obviously, Sally and Jan swap roles, but what if you threw Jacqueline into the mix and had Jackie as Cally and Sally as Servalan and Jan as Jenna, for example? With the guys, you could have various combinations using both Stephen and Brian as potential Liberator members. I was originally thinking original cast, but you could also add 3rd and 4th season additions into the game. How about a female Travis? Servalan was originally to be a man but I'm glad they made the character a woman. The only other person I can think of to play Avon if a movie of the series were to be made now is Kevin Spacey. He has the intelligence, wit, grace and intensity. And I bet he wears leather really well.... Susie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:16:06 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Greetings Message-ID: <20000320071606.29281.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Una McCormack" > > I believe Neil has been to Ultraworld, where the Altas accidentally got > > his brain switched with that of a puffin. Or perhaps a muffin. >Could just be nuffin. Go down that track, and Neil will have to check for heart, home and courage next. Regards Joanne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 23:41:59 -0800 From: Susie Wright To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Ali G Interviews Kerr Avon Message-ID: <38D5D646.11058BFA@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alison said: "Very funny indeed. I hate to think what the non-brits think you are playing at." I find slang hard to read when I'm tired, but I can understand many a spoken thick accent. (Must be my thing for lanuages...) I'm wondering if it's a spoof of someone, but either way it was very funny. Strange, but funny. Time for bed. Susie Oh, and I liked Alison's doggy chorus in her "Cool Box Blues." I'm in that pre-sleep giddy mode of the evening as it creeps towards midnight... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 23:48:49 PST From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Greetings Message-ID: <20000320074849.98018.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Is it my imagination, or am I currently getting far more emails on the subject of nice Mr Faulkner than nasty Mr Avon :-)? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 01:21:10 -0800 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: [B7L] Another Shade of Blue Message-ID: <38D5ED86.A70916D4@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Ultramarines Well I woke up this morning, there was an echo in my head. Well, when I woke up this morning, there was an echo in my head. I telepathed myself a message, and warned myself to stay in bed. I dragged myself down to the flight deck, and all the rebel gang was there. Reluctantly I dragged myself down to the flight deck, and all the usual gang of criminals was there. The room was full of snarls and leather, aggression, soma, curly hair. We found a planet shining silver; Zen didn't know what it could do. We found a planet, it was lumpy and bumpy and silver, and Zen's scans couldn't show what it might do. But you know, Avon seemed to like it; I guess that should have been a clue. Well, honey, I've had the blues, the indigos, aquas, and greens; But there ain't nothing compares to these lowdown Ultramarines. You know, I don't know how I got there, my memories are very few. I said, I don't know how I got there, this sort of thing happens often since I joined this crew. I found myself down on this planet; there were some men, and they were blue. They said hello, we are the Ultra, and we're so glad you came to call. Yes, they said we, we are the Ultra, and we're so glad, so very glad you came when we called; But now you look a little tired, child. Why don't you lean against this wall? Well, honey, I've had the blues, the indigos, aquas, and greens; But there ain't nothing compares to these lowdown Ultramarines. Well, when I woke up this evening, someone else was in my head. Yes, when I woke up this evening, that cold sententious misanthropic Alpha's mind was in my head. So now when I catch up with Tarrant, he's going to see just what an Auronae can do when she sees red. It's hard to see him in my body, the things he does with it are vile. Oh, yes, it's hard to see Avon use my body, the things he gets up to can only be called vile. It isn't that I mind the leather, but my face just looks so awful when he smiles. Well, honey, I've had the blues, the indigos, aquas, and those sickly blue-greens; But there ain't nothing compares to the headache they give you, these lowdown Ultramarines. No there ain't nothing compares to these lowdown, unappealing, set your mind a-reeling, back-stabbing, double-dealing, greedy, grasping, psyche-stealing, lowdown Ultramarines. -- "Consider it an adventure."--Galen, 'Crusade' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 01:15:35 PST From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Was Animals some time ago Message-ID: <20000320091535.11282.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Susie wrote: You had to ask, and I had to think about it. With a slightly different angle. First pick - well, I *like* them...most of them... Blake - Dr Bellfriar (Killer) - I know, I know, any excuse to drag Paul Daneman back in. Jenna - Verlis (Assassin) Cally - Kasabi (Pressure Point) - what Cally *should* have been all along. Avon - Kayn (Breakdown) - well, the only other one *that* arrogant was the *real* Blake! Mind you, Julian Glover in black leather and studs is not something I really find appealing Gan - Ushton (Hostage) Vila - Bek (Shadow) Tarrant - Rai (SLD) seems closest, though Jarvik (Kairos) would be fun. Dayna - Tyce (Bounty) Soolin - Sara (Destiny) Travis I - Provine (Countdown) would knock both GITHOG *and* FINALACT out of contention IMHO. Servalan - Alta Morag (The Way Back. And no I do not want to imagine her in Servie's dresses, or in a liplock with Avon.) Second pick - oh what the hell, just for the utterly appealing mental pictures... Blake - Jarriere (Gambit - you knew I'd get him in there somewhere., didn't you? And 'Jarriere's 7' has a certain ring, doesn't it, Harriet?) Jenna - has to be Piri (Assassin) Cally - equally has to be Governer le Grand (Voice from the Past) Gan - Gunn-Sar (Power) Vila - Nova (Spacefall) Tarrant - abso*lute*ly has to be Cancer (Assassin) Dayna - Inga (Hostage) Soolin - Second Mutoid (Project Avalon ) Travis - Bayban (City on the Edge of the World) Servalan - Giroc (Duel.) And Avon as Avon, simply because My Darling having to live with/deal with this selection would be Not-at-All Beautiful Suffering of the most *fascinating* sort... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 01:25:53 PST From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Greetings Message-ID: <20000320092553.29470.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed After I wrote: Julia answered: Even better, let's imagine *Blake* - in a fit of fairly justifiable malicious amusement - doing it to Avon, being all noble and caring and sweet and mother-hennish and - and *nice* - just to see how appalled Avon would be... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 01:51:49 PST From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Avon drool Message-ID: <20000320095149.88302.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed After Ariana wrote: Julia answered: After all, why waste valuable drooling time? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:41:17 +1100 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Guest Stars (was Re: [B7L] Re: Animals) Message-ID: <20000320194117.G12402@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 10:35:03PM -0800, Susie Wright wrote: > episode. Can you think of other guest stars who made a huge impact on > B7 fandom? Carnell! -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:22:35 +1100 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon drool Message-ID: <20000320192235.F12402@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 03:25:52PM +0000, Julia Jones wrote: > In message <013c01bf91ae$5c30c3e0$96e407c3@ariana>, Ariana > writes > >Erm, when did I say that? If I did, I was lying. Though I understand that > >the 'hots for Avon' seems to be something most women catch later in the > >series, so maybe this limerick will become true later. > > It tends to be assumed that women who do not specifically state that > they cannot understand why the rest of us are drooling, are drooling. I cannot understand why the rest of you are drooling. (-8 Kathryn Andersen (A.S.K.S. - Avon's Sympathetic Kindred Spirits) -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:08:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Iain Coleman To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] hyperspace Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 18 Mar 2000, Andrew Ellis wrote: > > The point is this. I long thought that Time Distort (B7) and Hyperspace > (ST, SW) were totally different things. I was certain that the H word > was never even mentioned in "our" series until "that" radio play (the > one with the hamburgers), and then the central theme of the next radio > play. > > But then in Space Fall, Jenna say's "It feels like an early mark > HYPERDRIVE which needs re stressing, the whole thing .....". Presumably 'Hyperdrive" is a brand name. Iain ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:43:25 +1100 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Another Shade of Blue Message-ID: <20000320214325.A19862@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 01:21:10AM -0800, mistral@ptinet.net wrote: > The Ultramarines [snip] > No there ain't nothing compares to these lowdown, unappealing, > set your mind a-reeling, back-stabbing, double-dealing, > greedy, grasping, psyche-stealing, lowdown Ultramarines. Bravo! Bravo! Kathryn Andersen (two days to blast off! See you in Newcastle, Julia!) -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:46:19 EST From: Mac4781@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Off topic--UK sports Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Calle wrote: > No, no. Soccer involves *running*. Can't see Vila doing that, unless > he's running away from something. Good point. Having a designated Vila chaser on the team (a hired hairy alien) to keep him motivated would defeat the purpose. I'll switch to Dayna as best soccer player. But only if she promises not to wear her high heels during games. ;) She almost tripped down the flight deck stairs while wearing them in SARCOPHAGUS. > No, Vila plays pool. Depends on skilled hands, doesn't make you sweat, > eminently compatible with some social drinking and there's plenty of > opportunity for a modest scam. I can see him lounging about drink in hand. Yes, this works. A partner might be nice (all the better to run scams). I'd like to nominate Soolin for that role: cool, unflappable, and ready to protect both of them if the scam goes bad. Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 06:57:34 -0800 From: "Ann Basart" To: "Blake's7" Subject: [B7L] Avon - Meegat Message-ID: <000c01bf927c$ec034320$57d3b5cf@flp1> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01BF9239.91C289E0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01BF9239.91C289E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pat F wrote, about Avon: >Ah - well, he seems very bemused not to say embarrassed by Meegat . . . Not embarrassed enough. Ann Basart abasart@dnai.com ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01BF9239.91C289E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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>Ah - well, he seems = very bemused=20 not to say embarrassed by Meegat . . .

Not embarrassed=20 enough.
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------=_NextPart_000_0030_01BF9239.91C289E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:13:23 -0700 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Mary Poppins/Avon Message-ID: <20000320.085001.-521359.0.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:50:50 -0800 Susie Wright writes: > Ellynne: "How would Avon react to a woman whose traveling bag broke > the > laws of physics and who knew she was practically perfect in every > way?" > > Avon would kiss her and take the bag away for further investigation > and > use against the Federation. > Avon kissing Mary Poppins. The mind boggles. While that's an interesting idea, I was picturing something more like - Mary Poppins: Hmm, yes, I can see there's quite a bit of work needed here. I'll give you a trial period of thirteen episodes. All right, everyone, spit spot. We're going to play a game called "Let's Tide Up the Federation." Avon [just walking onto the bridge and seeing her for the first time. Stops, freezes, look of absolute horror written across his face]: Nannie? Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:29:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Iain Coleman To: b7 Subject: Re: [B7L] Belbin Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 18 Mar 2000, Alison Page wrote: > (Alison's prediction - nearly everyone comes out as 'Plant', which is the > trendy one to be anyway) Here's one data point in favour of your hypothesis, Alison. I've never been trendy before. Iain ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:34:35 +0200 (EET) From: Kai V Karmanheimo To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re:[B7L] First impressions: "The Web" Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ariana wrote: < Jenna's unexplained hostility towards Cally annoyed me too; if it just turns out to "feminine jealousy", I'll be very cross. I did like the bit where Cally tries to accompany Blake to the surface, though, especially the shrug she gives Avon and Gan as she leaves the teleport room.> I think this ties with her comment at the end of "Time Squad": "It seems to me it should have taught us something. Something about the wisdom involved in bringing aliens aboard." Having had to fight with a bunch of homicidal aliens, she would be suspicious about another one in their midst. And not long (?) after that, there's that very same alien sabotaging the ship and pointing a gun at her. Plus everybody was pretty upset there and hostile reactions were amplified (I'd like to think Avon's reaction was not just him being his normal, cheerful self, but that he also got angry for being tricked, in two ways, in fact). I think jealousy is only an option here (of course, maybe Jenna is thinking: "That little tart! She's only been here for a minute, and already she's throwing herself at Blake and banging Vila! On the head, that is."). When I first saw this episode all those years ago, I think it was that final devastation that made the greatest impression on me. It seems perhaps a bit too long now, but I'm still taken by its sheer viciousness. And I agree about the moral ambiguity of the ending. This a typical Star Trek influenced space-opera device, but stripped of the usual moral certitudes and easy-way-out resolutions (if this had been made by the original Trek team, the Decimas wouldn't have killed Novara and Geela, but instead we would probably have ended up watching Blake lecture them on how they can all live happily together if they just learn to love each other). Actually, I'd commend the daring colour scheme of Vila's costume. It suggests the wearer has recently had a nasty accident in a public lavatory. Kai ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:46:32 -0700 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Animals (was Greetings) Message-ID: <20000320.085001.-521359.3.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 04:56:09 PST "Sally Manton" writes: I thought Avon looked bad enough in *that* get-up in > Deathwatch, > but the mental picture of Paul in Justin's surreally awful outfit > is…is… No, no. If Justin had been on Liberator instead of Avon, if they survived long enough to make it to Animals, they would have found a scientist in a leather jacket (and probably building computer toys instead of doing genetic experimentation). And, so long as I'm dreaming, Cally would have survived to the main character instead of Dayna. Hence, Avon would have been her old boyfriend. Neither one of them would have fallen for Servalan's trap (assuming she showed up, since there would be no genetic experiments for her to steal). I'm sure there would have been some crisis, but it would have just been an excuse to bring a little action and suspense in as Cally tried to convince Avon to join them and Avon tried to convince Cally to dump the revolution and stay with him (all in a strictly, family viewing appropriate way, of course).... Hey, you're right, I'm liking this episode. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:37:24 -0700 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] hyperspace Message-ID: <20000320.085001.-521359.2.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:16:28 -0000 "Andrew Ellis" writes: > Is there any tech stuff out there on propulsion systems I can read up > on. > > The point is this. I long thought that Time Distort (B7) and > Hyperspace (ST, SW) were totally different things. [snip] > > But then in Space Fall, Jenna say's "It feels like an early mark > HYPERDRIVE which needs re stressing, the whole thing .....". > Just IMHO - actually, just my desperate effort to work around this - consider if someone from our era / cultural background were to say, after riding in some new kind of vehicle, "It's feels like riding a three-legged horse with a hangover that's trying to do the Watusi blind-folded. Someone, put it out of its misery ...." This would not mean they ever HAD ridden a three legged horse (of either the drunk or sober variety) or that they even knew what the Watusi was supposed to look like (I don't). Maybe hyperdrive was an early, largely unsuccesful attempt at space travel now refered to only in an effort to describe how much room there was for improvement in the Liberator's shock absorbers (Zen probably just hadn't gotten around to repairing them when they made that first trip, since we don't see this effect again [it might also explain the lost six months if the ship accidentally did skip a dimension and did some time warping along with it (Zen: Oops)]) Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:26:24 -0700 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Lost in Cyberspace Message-ID: <20000320.085001.-521359.1.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:36:17 -0000 "Andrew Ellis" writes: > > > ><< I've often wondered about Avon's well-roundedness > > (training-educationwise, that is). It seems a little beyond what > anyone > > could possibly accomplish. >> > > > >Combined hardware/software skills are kind of rare, but not > nonexistent -- > > >Nina > > Hear hear. > > Lots of great people have been skilled in more than one discipline. > Some of > them even switch fields, and get Nobel prizes for their new work. As > Nina > say's - Rare, but not non-existent. > Yes, but, as the resident "smart guy," Avon seemed to constantly to know everything about everything (with occassional, minor exceptions, usually when it was Blake's turn to do plot exposition). It's like the story someone told me years back about a 'What-if' Spiderman story where Peter Parker finally got to apply all his technical know how in the open instead of keeping it secret for his superheroing toys and winds up catapulting humanity into a new technology age within two weeks. It was nice some writer finally noticed the kid was overly gifted. Not that I'm suggesting any connection between Avon and Spiderman. True, they both make bad decisions for selfish reasons that hurt those near and dear to them, but I somehow can't see Avon gaining a moral conviction about using his talents for the good of all humanity (or even New York) as a result. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:21:01 -0700 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] First impressions: "The Web" Message-ID: <20000320.102103.-401891.0.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:30:06 -0000 "Ariana" writes: > Cally fared abysmally, as I said above. One of the reasons I dislike > possession stories -- aside from the fact most of the ones I've seen > were > rubbish :) -- is the notion that a character's personality and > behaviour can > be simply taken over by someone else's. In Cally's case, we weren't > even > given an opportunity to see her own personality and behaviour before > she's > walking around being someone else. Good point, although I do like some possession stories, the ones where a it eerily begins to dawn on someone that it may look like someone they trust and sound like someone they trust, but it isn't someone they trust - unless they themselves are the ones who are losing it. Then there's the opposite. It may look and sound like someone they DON"T trust, and it may just be a con. But, you're right. For either of these to work, you have to have some idea who you're supposed to be dealing with. It doesn't mean much to have a character come along and say, "Hi, we've never met before. I'm Fred." only to later say, "Hah! Had you fooled! I'm really Ed just made-up to look like Fred." Jenna's unexplained hostility > towards > Cally annoyed me too; if it just turns out to "feminine jealousy", > I'll be > very cross. Personally, I think the Federation had various levels of caste prejudice (Alphas, Deltas, etc.) and aliens were the low point on the hierarchy. Jenna's xenophobia was pushed up after the last episode and then settled on Cally. > > JENNA: It wasn't what she was doing. It was the way she was. If you > looked into her eyes it wasn't her looking back at you. > GAN: Avon says that's because she's an alien. > VILA: Everyone's an alien to him. > Just have to add, I'm dying to know what the context of Gan's Avon quote is. Avon obviously didn't feel this way when Cally was asking about his work and there didn't seem to be any hint of it when they first met. What we do know: Gan implies Avon made the same observation as Jenna, but this doesn't seem likely, given what we know. Also, this comment probably predates the current problem, since they seem to be just discussing it with one of the more communicative members of the crew. Also, the context implies this was from a conversation only between Gan and Avon. This seems to be the first Vila's heard of it or he'd have made this comment earlier (it he'd made it earlier in front of Gan, he should say something like, "Like I said, everyone's an alien to him." So, Avon made a comment about Cally,perhaps just in passing, possibly in response to something Gan had said (which means it could have been an attempt to end a conversation Gan was trying to start). What was it? Well, kind-hearted Gan may have been making a comment about Cally's lack of emotional display given all that had happened to her before joining Liberator and that it wasn't humanly healthy. Avon may have said, "Fortunately, she's not human." OR it could have been something more. Gan's statement could mean Avon has actually made a comment about Cally's _eyes_, either a comment about what he sees as a good trait (emotional control) or one where he more or less admitted he didn't know what she was thinking but that he wanted to know. As for the alien element, Jenna (and possibly Gan) may have prejudice against aliens, but Avon seems to have put humans at the bottom of his list. In other words, I think he _likes_ her. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:01:19 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Animals Message-ID: In message <38D5C696.6BA67A34@home.com>, Susie Wright writes >Can you think of other guest stars who made a huge impact on >B7 fandom? One of the strengths of B7 is how well they used the guest parts. For the most part they're real people, not cardboard cutouts as scenery for the regulars to play against. Bercol and Rontane seem to be very popular with Freedom City members, even though they have only a few lines in two episodes. > >The thought had me playing around with what if the B7 actors were cast >differently? (Same cast, different parts.) Paul originally went for the part of Blake:-) -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:31:26 GMT From: "Mat Shayde" To: Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] The nature of WEB sites. Message-ID: <20000320183126.56854.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >Andrew Ellis wrote: >"I am not a man, I am a free number." Do ALL B7 fans also follow The Prisoner ? No. We don't. :) Dorian ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:38:09 GMT From: "Mat Shayde" To: piscescat@home.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Costume/Prop Reference Book Message-ID: <20000320183809.37894.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Anyway... it'd be cool to see the history of the costumes and props and not just from Muir's listing of what was begged, borrowed and stolen from the set of "Space 1999." Learning that file boxes made up the console supports on the flight deck was a surprise. Low budget brings a lot of creativity. Susie I for one agree, I'd buy a book on costumes, props and sets. Speaking as someone who made a teleport bracelet from an section of orange juice bottle, half a rubber and some silver foil as a child (blue Peter has so much to answer for!) I'd love a book like this. :) Dorian ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:42:08 GMT From: "Mat Shayde" To: piscescat@home.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Animals Message-ID: <20000320184208.90149.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed From: Susie Wright To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Animals Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:35:03 -0800 I wonder because Avon didn't make an impression on me (and others) right away. He had to grow on you when you weren't looking and then suddenly - hey, who's THAT guy? So for Paul to have guested in one episode, he may not have made the intense impact he did as a regular cast member, but he might have grown in our hearts after repeated viewings of this episode. Can you think of other guest stars who made a huge impact on B7 fandom? Well, speaking personally (and for obvious reasons) Geoffrey Burridge as Dorian. A superb character convincingly played. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 06:51:57 -0000 From: "DragonFly" To: Subject: [B7L] RPG Female Fans Message-ID: <022b01bf9301$f3fa9800$9604883e@oemcomputer> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0228_01BF9301.F307FAA0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0228_01BF9301.F307FAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there. Just chucking an idea into circulation, anyone interested in a RPG B7 = style.? Julia L ------=_NextPart_000_0228_01BF9301.F307FAA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0228_01BF9301.F307FAA0-- ------------------------------ Date: 20 Mar 2000 19:53:41 +0100 From: Calle Dybedahl To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] ADMIN: Maximum allowed size of posting Message-ID: <86g0tltqve.fsf@tezcatlipoca.algonet.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Someone (name not given to protect the guilty) just tried to post a 650-kilobyte sound file to the list. Fortunately, the listbot threw it out, since it was over the half-megabyte maximum posting size. I set that size long ago, when the net was a place where one could expect people to behave sensibly. I had plain forgot about it. Now that it has been forcibly brought to my attention again, I'm considering lowering the limit to 25 kilobytes. A quick look at the postings that has been done since the beginning of December shows that the only posts approaching (or, in one case, exceeding) that size are HTML-infested monstrosities, and would have been less than half as big if the poster had had sense enough to send text. In text, 25k is about 350 to 400 lines. Something that long should probably be broken up into two or more parts anyway, to be easily readable. So, basically, I think that 25k is a reasonable upper limit. What do you people out there think? -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se "Last week was a nightmare, never to be repeated - until this week" -- Tom, a.s.r ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:56:20 +0100 From: "Marian de Haan" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] The nature of WEB sites. Message-ID: <007301bf929d$fd0be840$beed72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrew Ellis asked: >Do ALL B7 fans also follow The Prisoner ? No. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:04:45 GMT From: "Mat Shayde" To: dragonfly@pond65.fsnet.co.uk, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] RPG Female Fans Message-ID: <20000320190445.71347.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed From: "DragonFly" To: Subject: [B7L] RPG Female Fans Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 06:51:57 -0000 >Hi there. >Just chucking an idea into circulation, anyone interested in a RPG >B7 >style.? >Julia L Hi Julia, there is a B7 RPG. I've been running it for group of fellow role-players for about 2 years now. I don't know if it is still available but you used to be able to get it through Horizon. It's very good fun. Mail me if you want to know more details about the game or the scenarios I've been using, Dorian ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:07:17 -0000 From: "DragonFly" To: "Mat Shayde" , Subject: Re: [B7L] RPG Female Fans Message-ID: <025901bf9304$18609bc0$9604883e@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, I have seen it advertised...I used to run via email...a fantasy one like d&d, didn't know if we could get one up and going on email? just a thought. Julia ----- Original Message ----- From: Mat Shayde To: ; Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [B7L] RPG Female Fans > > > From: "DragonFly" > To: > Subject: [B7L] RPG Female Fans > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 06:51:57 -0000 > > >Hi there. > > >Just chucking an idea into circulation, anyone interested in a RPG >B7 > >style.? > > >Julia L > > Hi Julia, > > there is a B7 RPG. I've been running it for group of fellow role-players for > about 2 years now. I don't know if it is still available but you used to be > able to get it through Horizon. It's very good fun. > > Mail me if you want to know more details about the game or the scenarios > I've been using, > > Dorian > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:22:23 -0000 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Ali G interviews Kerr Avon Message-ID: <002b01bf92a4$fb040620$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rob wrote: > Ali G interviews Kerr Avon Wow! As in right, okay? Viss one I'm definitly keepin', yeah. Re-spect! Neil (who has no telly and has consequently never seen Ali G, but has heard enough about him to get the general idea) "I am not a man, I am a free number." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:12:55 -0000 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Commiseration/Hunter Message-ID: <002901bf92a4$f677c740$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marian wrote: >And if I did offend/insult/hurt Neil or anyone > else on this list I offer my sincere apologies. Offended? Insulted? Hurt? Not really. Just sort of ... well, a bit miffed. The Avon/Anna Aftermath angle was largely worked in as a sop to the readers (as in "Hey, they'll really go for this"), all part of my authorial duty to write an entertaining story ect. It slotted painlessly into the plot, at any rate, and helped locate the episode time-wise. But it wasn't the primary focus of the story, which was largely written in response to some of the knee-jerk reactionary comments on drugs and abuse of that I'd seen in various other fan stories. So right from the start, this was going to be a soapbox story, along the lines of 'Junkies are people too'. I'd long wanted to do a B7 version of 'Alien', and after seeing a few more SF action movies (such as 'Aliens', 'Terminator 2', and 'Predator' [which gave 'Hunter' its title, BTW]), I could sense a common thread running through them, namely the same knee-jerk reactionary attitudes that underlay the simplistic condemnation of drug (ab)use in the fan stories I'd read. So the two themes went together rather well, I thought. Hence 'Hunter' - part homage/part piss-take on the SF Action Movie genre, combining its native gung-ho spirit with a reversal of its normal values. (For instance, Dayna's quest to find and destroy the monster alone is *not* the noble/heroic act it is portrayed as in, for instance, 'Predator'. In 'Aliens' and T2 the child is almost obligated to survive no matter how often s/he gets threatened, whereas in my story she doesn't stand a snowball's.) The story, incidentally, is most emphatically not pro-drugs. I think the message is pretty clear - mess around with drugs and you get killed by a nasty big monster. But where 'Hunter' differs from the fanfic that inspired it is in the way it differentiates the people from the problem. The spaced-out junkies are not conveniently 'bad' people, in fact they are very ordinary and generally rather likable people (the dealer is portrayed somewhat more negatively, though). And the eponymous monster is of course a metaphor for the whole 'drug problem', and I made damn certain of slipping in that bit about it being an artificial creation, not something that evolved naturally on some distant planet - it is a man-made metaphor for a man-made problem, a product of its society, not reassuringly 'alien'. So when someone tells me that they read the story and think it was great because Avon suffered beautifully, is it any wonder that I end up feeling a little bit peeved off? Neil "I am not a man, I am a free number." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:27:39 +0000 From: Nicola Collie To: Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Darkheart website Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Una said: >Hoiho, hoiho, it's off to work we go... (and that probably gets the prize >for being a joke which I think only 3 people on this list could potentially >get and thus being the *least funny thing ever written here*). I certainly hope you had me in mind as one of the three. Who's the other one? Nicola (groaning on the inside) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:03:32 -0000 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Neil, the changed man Message-ID: <016301bf92a9$3fb7c640$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > What the heck, give me my hug before your medication wears off. :) ROFL!!! No medication, Avona, in fact I feel more like I've come off some really nasty pills. Let's hope it lasts, eh? And since you ask so sweetly, here's your Neil "I am not a man, I am a free number." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:31:27 -0000 From: "Una McCormack" To: "Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Darkheart website Message-ID: <086501bf92ab$5f14ba00$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nicola asked: > Una said: > >Hoiho, hoiho, it's off to work we go... (and that probably gets the prize > >for being a joke which I think only 3 people on this list could potentially > >get and thus being the *least funny thing ever written here*). > > I certainly hope you had me in mind as one of the three. I most certainly did. > Who's the other one? Well, I reckoned Neil would be groaning as well. Una -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #77 *************************************