From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #9 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/9 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 9 Today's Topics: [B7L] Too quiet [B7L] Too quiet [B7L] New B7 tape release in the US? Re: [B7L] Too quiet Re: [B7L] Too quiet [B7L] zine review: Standard by Seven 10 [B7L] Josette [B7L] Great big January sale Re: [B7L] Too quiet Re: [B7L] Too quiet Re: Re: [B7L] Too quiet [B7L] too much B7? Re: [B7L] Too quiet [B7L] Strangerers Re: [B7L] Strangerers Re: [B7L] Too quiet [B7L] Gallery Re: [B7L] Gallery Re: [B7L] Too quiet Re: [B7L] Gallery [B7L] re: Strangerers Re: [B7L] Too quiet Re: [B7L] Too quiet Re: [B7L] Too quiet Re: [B7L] Too quiet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 12:24:05 +0100 From: Angria@t-online.de (Tanja Kinkel) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Too quiet Message-ID: <128Lsj-1dkv56C@fwd04.sul.t-online.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Ellynne G. wrote: > Unless something's seriously wrong with my e-mail, the lyst has been a > tad too quiet lately, so I'm tossing out a few stray thoughts > > Orbit--I've heard the theory Avon wasn't really trying to find Vila, but > I don't buy it. Me neither. If anything, the fact that when he did figure out that block of Neutron star was the cause of everything, he still couldn't find Vila, confirms that he wanted to, but couldn't. > Also on Orbit--Avon's other actions seem suspicious. Vila was obviously > the wrong choice to bring down. Tarrant was better in a fight, as were > Dayna and Soolin. I blame this on the scriptwriter. Just think of Hostage. Same thing. Vila is obviously the wrong choice for backup, yet Avon orders him down instead of Cally or Jenna. Why? Because Vila can be captured by Ushton and terrified by Travis later, whereas the women a) wouldn't have been captured and b) wouldn't have given Travis what he wanted. The script demanded for Vila to be there, so Avon had to choose him against all logic. Now in Orbit, I can understand why he didn't take Tarrant (Tarrant was the pilot and probably could be trusted to get Scorpio out fast if something unexpected would happen), but as you say, Dayna and Soolin would have been more useful in a fight. If you want to stretch it: Avon could relax around Vila better than around any of the youngsters, maybe all that stress had been getting to him? Then there was Avon's bringing a gun that wouldn't do > him any good (unless he needed to kill Vila) when a teleport bracelet > would have been better. Well, there was the short Dayna-Tarrant exchange later on (when Dayna wanted to teleport with some bracelets) which says they can't use the teleport between two fast moving objects. Maybe Cally's not the only one whose brain gets > scrambled by aliens (although, I have to admit, Avon knew Ensor had gone > into permanent exile with one companion--male--and may have concluded > another male would be a better distraction than Dayna or Soolin and that > Tarrant was likely to overreact if he realized that was why Avon had > brought him. LOL. You mean Egrorian, don't you? Well, he WAS rather taken with Vila ("one could become very fond of that young man"), which made poor Pindar jealous, so you might argue Avon's tactics worked, if that was what he had in mind. > Besides, what do you do if you don't have enough fuel for escape > velocity? Land the shuttle, land the shuttle, land the shuttle . . . . The shuttle had a preprogrammed course by Egrorian. Of course, Avon and Vila managed to disable that one, so... ah well. Blame the scriptwriter again. Tanja ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 03:24:31 PST From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Too quiet Message-ID: <20000112112431.9594.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi, Karen, and welcome to the list. You wrote: Agreed. He's got an unpredictable but startlingly cold-blooded streak at times (here in Destiny, Avalon, Bounty, Horizon...) In Breakdown, I do think he'd have destroyed Kayn's hands - it's the casual, dispassionate way he says it, I don't think he's bluffing at all. But even if he was, zeroing in so effortlessly on the thing that would force Kayn to obey... The mixture of calculation and emotion (that can and does swamp his ruthless streak sometimes) is one of the things I find fascinating about him. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 11:57:47 EST From: Mac4781@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, freedom-city@blakes-7.org Subject: [B7L] New B7 tape release in the US? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While I've not been able to access the site, a friend of mine said that Columbia House (www.columbahouse.com) is currently offering the B7 tapes on a subscription basis. She thinks it might be a new release. We were wondering if the tapes might be better quality than the ones that were released in the US some years ago. Has anyone bought the Columbia House tapes? Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:21:25 GMT From: Murray Smith To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Too quiet Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A happy 2000 to my fellow list members. Karen, welcome to the list. I'm afraid that you are incorrect in saying that the Federation were responsible for the fungi on Destiny. It would certainly be the kind of thing they would do, but there is no mention of this in 'Mission to Destiny'. The same has to be said regarding the neutrotope. While I certainly agree that the Federation could be involved, the neutrotope's value means that any number of people could have made an offer to Sara that she couldn't refuse. Regarding Blake's ruthless streak, the most obvious example of this is his plan to destroy Star One, causing the deaths of huge numbers of people, in order to destroy the Federation. Murray ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 11:16:32 -0700 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Too quiet Message-ID: <20000112.111633.9662.0.Rilliara@juno.com> On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 11:37:14 +0100 Angria@t-online.de (Tanja Kinkel) writes: >Ellynne G. wrote: >Then there was Avon's bringing a gun that wouldn't do >> him any good (unless he needed to kill Vila) when a teleport >bracelet >> would have been better. > >Well, there was the short Dayna-Tarrant exchange later on (when Dayna >wanted to >teleport with some bracelets) which says they can't use the teleport >between two >fast moving objects. Since they've teleported people out of all sorts of things under all sorts of circumstances, I'd assumed the problem was getting a fix on the ship to teleport her in and that it wouldn't have been a problem to latch onto people wearing bracelets and get them out. Granted, I could be wrong, especially if this was a weakness in Scorpio's teleport, cancelling out any Liberator evidence (there could be lots of reasons Avon couldn't bring Scorpio up to the same standards as Liberator, since I assume he and Orac knew the design specifications. Maybe teleporting from a larger mass made a difference, maybe that alloy in Liberator's bracelets couldn't be duplicated outside the System, maybe they just couldn't fit all the backup equipment they carried on Liberator onto Scorpio). > >LOL. You mean Egrorian, don't you? Oops! First saying Avon when I meant Blake (talk about cardinal sins), now this! Keep me away from proper nouns! Speaking of Avon and Mission to Destiny, it's not that I don't think Blake could be ruthless and nasty, it's just that the bomb thing seemed to be done so much more in Avon's style (sneaky and basically shooting in the back). Blake's style would have been attacking with Liberator or at least announcing his intentions ahead of time so everyone could a) be properly impressed or b) argue against it while Blake stubbornly stuck to his plan. Of course, then the viewers wouldn't have had a small moment of suspense and been surprised when it happened. Perhaps Blake felt he gained some PR points for the cause by doing it this way. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:23:44 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] zine review: Standard by Seven 10 Message-ID: Yes, Judith, you can have it for the website. Standard by Seven, issue ten Editor Anne O'Neill I picked this one up second-hand last year, so yes, it is still possible to buy original copies of the old zines if you hit the right second-hand stall. This is one from the early days, 1981. Nicely printed, with a gloss card cover to show off the B&W photo of Blake on the back cover. The interior ink drawings are somewhat variable in quality, a mix of very nice indeed and ones where the likeness to the character is rather dubious, or the body proportions are wrong. Most of the internal illos are for specific scenes rather than generic, something I like to see. Letters page A couple of letters from readers, allegedly. The one complaining about the quality of the "tantalising time tour" holiday booked from an ad in a previous issue offers an interesting view of the fourth Doctor:-) The Mediators of Ellion The Liberator goes to the aid of a crashed spaceship, and picks up the ship's mercy mission to a colony planet. Some standard SF themes, nicely written. I had a couple of minor quibbles, most notably that it took the crew so long to work out what was going on. It could also have done with a little more attention to detail - Avon certainly doesn't look heavier than Blake to my eye, and the doorway to the flight deck does not have a door in it. However, I enjoyed the story. A sequel to 'There's something wrong on Strawberry Hill' One page humorous sequel to something in a previous issue, which presumably had the Federation putting out a propaganda series depicting the crew as cripples and rapists. I'd probably have found it more amusing if I'd read the original work, but not bad. "Normal service will be resumed shortly" Another sequel to an earlier piece. Longer, has a minor cross-over with Hitchhiker and is not my sense of humour. Where is thy victory? Interesting aliens, nice characterisation, plot hole large enough to fly the Liberator through. The Merry Rebels of Terminal Short Shakespeare pastiche set on Terminal, with the characters aware that they are characters, and speculating on the likelihood of renewal. Very much dependent on personal taste. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:24:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List cc: Freedom City Subject: [B7L] Josette Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII The following is from Horizon - Josette Simon is currently appearing with the RSC at the Barbican in Michael Boyd's production of 'A Midsummer Night's Dream' as Titania/Hippolyta and as Queen Elisabeth in Gale Edwards' production of 'Don Carlos'. Last performance of 'Midsummer Night's Dream' is 17th February (19 performances between 3rd January and 17th February - check the RSC website for exact schedule - www.rsc.org.uk This is playing at the Barbican Theatre. 'Don Carlos' previews on 13th January, opening 18th January with the last performance on 6th April. There are around 30 performances between 13th January and 6th April. Again, check the website www.rsc.org.uk for the full schedule. This is playing at The Pit. Box Office number for the Barbican Theatre and The Pit is 0171 638 8891 Horizon is planning to see at least one of these shows, possibly both, during the latter part of January/early February. Tickets for these shows are going quickly, so if you'd like to join us we'll be booking very soon so email Pauline at tuckers@easynet.co.uk if you're interested ASAP. (I don't know if the trips are open to non-members) Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:45:14 -0000 From: "Una McCormack" To: "lysator" Cc: "Freedom City" Subject: [B7L] Great big January sale Message-ID: <019101bf5d35$8dbe6be0$0d01a8c0@hedge> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthew and I flogging off our Dr Who book collection, having realized they've sat in boxes for more than three years and yet we have not died. Includes: - Most of the Target novelizations (including many first editions) - First 50 New Adventures and a good selection of Missing Adventures - Bunch of coffee table/hardback books - Bound to be other stuff I've forgotten There's a hell of a lot of stuff, and I'm working on a list; if you want to hear more, e-mail me directly (not via the list). We'll be sticking them up on QXL at some point, but would rather have them going to good homes in the first instance. Cheers, Una ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:50:44 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Too quiet Message-ID: In message <20000112103437.41196.qmail@hotmail.com>, Sally Manton writes [Orbit] > >I don't think he was trying *very hard* to find Vila - at >least one part of his mind didn't want to do it. But before >the crunch came, if he hadn't thought of some other way out >- he'd have done it. This I firmly believe (and if Vila had >the gun, he'd have done it too - as you said, he thinks of >the idea *before* Avon...) I have absolutely no doubt that he would have killed Vila. It's also fairly obvious that it didn't occur to him until after Orac put the idea in his head. Several seconds after, which was enough to save Vila's life by giving him an opportunity to hide. > >I admit I have no idea why he takes Vila, except that Vila >would be better company than the other three (Vila's >better company than just about anyone). Avon has obviously looked up Egrorian's records. Egrorian appears to have a liking for younger, easily intimidated men. Actually Egrorian seems to have a liking for D/s in general, and from either side, given the way he slobbers over both Avon and Servalan. >On Mission to Destiny: >the explosives and that Blake quickly took credit for some >little mind game reason of his own, like convincing the >passengers _he_ was in charge, not Avon. Really.> > >Do you mean 'it *was* really Avon'? No, I do think it was >Blake. AOL. As in, it never occurred to me before reading Ellyne's post that Avon had anything to do with it? Why *would* he set the explosives? He's not the one on a crusade for justice, and the pirate ship was no real threat to him. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:53:49 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Too quiet Message-ID: In message , Murray Smith writes >Regarding Blake's ruthless streak, the most obvious example of this is his >plan to destroy Star One, causing the deaths of huge numbers of people, in >order to destroy the Federation. Here we go again. "Many, many people" != huge numbers of people. Nor does it equal millions. Or billions. Or any of the other attempts to claim that Blake intended to kill the majority of the people he was trying to free. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:57:37 EST From: KKrause658@aol.com To: julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: Re: [B7L] Too quiet Message-ID: <35.51b1a8.25ae52d1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Regarding Blake's ruthless streak, the most obvious example of this is his >plan to destroy Star One, causing the deaths of huge numbers of people, in >order to destroy the Federation. Wasn't the Federation doing that anyway? Destroying planets even. Didn't they say people would die; not Millions, many civilizations...etc? I guess this is like the Bomb being dropped on Japan. Was it right to drop the bomb, killing many innocent people in order to stop WWII? You'll find arguments for both. Like dropping it then ended the war and stopped other innocent people from being killed by having the war drag on. But did that make dropping the bomb right? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:17:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] too much B7? Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII You know you've been watching too much B7 when you buy a cassette tape just because it has Kathleen Ferrier singing 'Blow the Wind Southerly' on it... (for those who haven't read the Sevencyclopaedia, that's the record Sarkoff is playing in 'Bounty') Actually, it's rather a nice tape - there's a good rendition of the Keel Row too. Long live Oxfam! Judith PS. I can almost imagine a Blake, sometime after Star One, looking at the horizon on some planet and wondering if Liberator will ever come back for him. (this is the 'Blake had a bust teleport bracelet' theory) PPS. If you don't see the connection between that and the above, don't worry, there is one, but you probably have to be a folkie or a slash fan or both. -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:42:19 -0000 From: "Alison Page" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Too quiet Message-ID: <006201bf5d56$d2eecfe0$ca8edec2@pre-installedco> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Murray and Julia >>Regarding Blake's ruthless streak, the most obvious example of this is his >>plan to destroy Star One, causing the deaths of huge numbers of people, in >>order to destroy the Federation. > >Here we go again. > >"Many, many people" != huge numbers of people. >Nor does it equal millions. Or billions. Or any of the other attempts to >claim that Blake intended to kill the majority of the people he was >trying to free. Those are good points, but the question wasn't whether Blake is 'wicked' to destroy Star One - the question was whether he was 'ruthless'. I think he was, without disagreeing with what he did. Alison ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:39:10 -0000 From: "Alison Page" To: "lysator" Subject: [B7L] Strangerers Message-ID: <006101bf5d56$d1c9d7e0$ca8edec2@pre-installedco> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know this has been mentioned before, but I just read a review 'Paul Darrow as the seedy landlord... looking almost unrecognisable under a bad toupee, this is surprisingly the best work he's done in ages.' However they say the rest of the show is missable. Sounds like a poor imitation of 'third rock' to me. Alison ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 00:03:22 -0000 From: "Una McCormack" To: "lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Strangerers Message-ID: <065801bf5d59$e97d03a0$0d01a8c0@hedge> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alison wrote: > I know this has been mentioned before, but I just read a review > > 'Paul Darrow as the seedy landlord... looking almost unrecognisable under a > bad toupee, this is surprisingly the best work he's done in ages.' > > However they say the rest of the show is missable. Sounds like a poor > imitation of 'third rock' to me. Arse! I didn't miss it, did I? Una ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:04:16 EST From: Mac4781@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Too quiet Message-ID: <3e.65be46.25ae7e90@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Julia (quoting Murray): > >Regarding Blake's ruthless streak, the most obvious example of this is his > >plan to destroy Star One, causing the deaths of huge numbers of people, in > >order to destroy the Federation. > > Here we go again. > > "Many, many people" != huge numbers of people. > Nor does it equal millions. Or billions. Or any of the other attempts to > claim that Blake intended to kill the majority of the people he was > trying to free. How many do you think "many, many people" equals, Julia? Without population figures for the Federated worlds, I can't begin to estimate what "many, many people" equals. I don't think it is a majority of the population who will die, but I do think there will be a significant loss of life with the destruction of Star One. At the beginning of the episode we are shown the type of devastation that will occur if Star One is destroyed. With Central Control still operational, but breaking down, we are already seeing serious problems develop: "Computer Flight Coordination is breaking down on twenty different worlds and the problem is spreading." and "Climate control has gone disastrously wrong on all the frontier worlds." We saw ships colliding with total loss of lives, half of a city killed as a result of that crash, and weather problems that were going to kill many more. This is a small scale example of the type of devastation that Blake was willing to accept to bring down the Federation. We don't know exact numbers. And even if we knew exact numbers, deciding how many is too many is a matter of individual interpretation. Carol Mc Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 14:20:04 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Gallery Message-ID: <387CFE14.B10B5351@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Judith wrote: > We're working on a redesign of the 'gallery' section of our website and we > thought it might be fun to make it resemble a real gallery with different > collections and displays on different floors. > ... > The question is, what pictures should be on display in such areas? What a fun idea. An old country house would have *lots* of rooms: For the loo - grimaces: I recall a few good ones of Blake, (with face screwed up during torture scenes in The Way Back - also of Blake, Jenna, Cally being tortured by the Federation Commissioner (Horizon) -- followed by a few visages of relief. Also: do we ever see any of the crew reading? I only recall Avon reading his floppy on the London. For the kitchen: Paul Darrow with the dead chicken (from that tv show with him as high priest) *more* grimaces and looks of alarm, puzzlement, disqust (perhaps the chicken immediately followed by Avon spewing (Gambit) Bet you've already done the bedroom (where all will click first): Sleer reclining with Krantor (Gambit) Or Krantor with Toise? All those adorable shots of Avon with his eyes closed - those lashes! oooooohhh For the family room / den: Vila playing board games (Moloch) Tarrant at the controls (Games) Soolin on the shooting range (Games) For the music room: Dayna with harp The Cabaret "Liza Minelli" woman (Gambit) Blake with phonograph record (Breakdown? - with Prez Sarkoff) The grand ballroom: A gallery of Servalan in all her begowned splendor. The garden: Blake in the ferns (Horizon) Blake dirty-faced with pick axe (Horizon) Ensor watering his plants (Orac) Avon eating the apple (Moloch) Dayna facing the GIANT PLANT (Terminal) Dayna facing the GIANT BUG (Harvest of Kairos) Dayna facing the GIANT GOAT (Animals) The chapel: The mad priest at the altar (Cygnus Alpha) Vila sleeping (during the sermon?) Blake kneeling, arms outstretched in rapture (Pressure Point) The priestess kneeling before Avon (Deliverance?) Vila, Tarrant kneeling before the Cally-Alien (Sarcophogus) Avon kneeling, head bowed before Servalan (Rumours of Death) Egroarian kneeling, hands clasped in adoration of Sleer (Orbit) The nursery: Sleer with her embryos (Children of Auron) Blake knee-deep in his little Decimas (The Web) Cally nurturing her pet blob (Shadow) (oh, thank the gods this show wasn't full of cute little tv tykes) The workshop: Avon ripping out Orac's guts Vila rummaging in his tool "kit" Tarrant welding (Stardrive?) The garage: Tyce Sarkoff as chauffeur The crypt / family mausuleum (sp?): Funeral with a coffin (Sarcophagus) The hall of mummies: The shriveled man in the machine (Moloch) The floating ex-captain (Moloch), The Tharn (Dawn of the Gods), The preserved floater (The Web), The android in stasis chamber (Headhunter) The home gym (a must have in the U.S. these days): Avon doing Cally's exercises (Voices from the Past) Jarvik as personal trainer: wrestling Dayna (Harvest of Kairos) Avon wresting Blake - yum (Voices) Avon wrestling Gan (Breakdown) Jenna wrestling Mutoid (Duel) Jenna wrestling Maniac (Mission to Destiny?) Jenna wrestling Pirate (Bounty?) For the basement: (where visitors will go immediately after the bedroom): Hire Penny Dreadful as interior designer. You will find yourself the proud owner of a subterranean S&M parlor - with *lots* of black leather and studs. Servalan hanging in chains (Rumours of Death) And Sleer as resident Dominatrix. (Think Traitor, glaring down at Fosborne (sp?): Those raptor feathers! Those boots!) Perverted Pat P __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:58:06 -0700 From: Penny Dreadful To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Gallery Message-Id: <4.1.20000112212935.0092f8f0@mail.powersurfr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:20 PM 12/01/00 -0800, Pat Patera wrote: >For the loo - grimaces: ... >-- followed by a few visages of relief. And then Travis all swathed in toilet paper from 'Voice From The Past'. >For the basement: (where visitors will go immediately after the >bedroom): >Hire Penny Dreadful as interior designer. You will find yourself the >proud owner of a subterranean S&M parlor - with *lots* of black leather >and studs. So *you're* the one who's been peering through my basement windows! Peeping Pat! Well I'll have you know the 'bondage gear' you may have thought you saw is merely used to restrain the steady supply of mailmen required to fuel my giant robot poodle. So it's an *ethical* deviancy, not a sexual one. --Perfectly Pure Penny -- For A Dread Time, Call Penny: http://members.tripod.com/~Penny_Dreadful/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:27:07 -0700 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Too quiet Message-ID: <20000112.223106.9046.0.Rilliara@juno.com> On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:04:16 EST Mac4781@aol.com writes: >> Here we go again. > >At the beginning of the episode we are shown the type of devastation >that >will occur if Star One is destroyed. With Central Control still >operational, >but breaking down, we are already seeing serious problems develop: > >"Computer Flight Coordination is breaking down on twenty different >worlds and >the problem is spreading." > > and > >"Climate control has gone disastrously wrong on all the frontier >worlds." > >We saw ships colliding with total loss of lives, half of a city killed >as a >result of that crash, and weather problems that were going to kill >many more. > This is a small scale example of the type of devastation that Blake >was >willing to accept to bring down the Federation. > Except that this is also the trouble caused by a _malfunctioning_ Star One, not just an absent one. The ship's were getting conflicting reports (one from Star One, one from their own instruments) about what was happening. This may have been happening with weather control, etc. as well (Star One says it should be snowing, so it's going to be snowing). >We don't know exact numbers. And even if we knew exact numbers, >deciding how >many is too many is a matter of individual interpretation. > Other relevant data we don't have: what _percentage_? And how do they compare to Federation caused deaths? Who's dying (if the many people are Federation troops dying in the popular uprising, it's not the same as cutting off power to the children's critical care wing of the hospital)? Which, of course, is why we can argue about it. Ellynne > > > > > >Carol Mc > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 08:30:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Gallery Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Wed 12 Jan, Pat Patera wrote: > Judith wrote: > > We're working on a redesign of the 'gallery' section of our website and we > > thought it might be fun to make it resemble a real gallery with different > > collections and displays on different floors. > > ... > > The question is, what pictures should be on display in such areas? > > What a fun idea. An old country house would have *lots* of rooms: I think we have slightly different understandings of the word gallery. I was thinking of the type of art gallery you find in big cities - large building with endless rooms with valuable paintings and classical architecture. You get lots of art, but also compulsory rooms like the cafe and toilets. A country house only has one room that you could call a gallery. It was often a long room on an upper floor where all the family portraits got displayed. Not that yours aren't fun ideas though. We had some interesting ideas come up on Freedom City, so we eventually decided to give the loos over the the fans. Here's how it works. Any member of either list can send me a scanned photo (low resolution please to keep download time reasonable), a line of grafitti, and a short biography (which can basically say whatever you want to say about yourself that you feel might be of interest to other fans (I'm not fussed about it being 100% true if you want to be creative. ) Part of the aim is for newcommers to the lists to be able to see who they are chatting to and hopefully to be able to feel more at home. If you have long-standing feelings on a particular topic, you might want to mention them here so that people can discover what happened if they get an unexpected response to what they thought was a non-provocative comment. Graffiti can range from a favourite quote from the series, a provocative statement like 'Animals is the greatest episode', to a line from a favourite song, Kilroy was Here, to pretty well anything that you fancy. (the cleaners may remove anything that's totally obscene) You also have to state which loo you want to be in: ladies, gents, disabled, or the nappy changing room. The photo and the grafitti will appear to whoever enters the loos and the biographies can be read by clicking on the relevent person. We've had a couple of photos arrive already. Once we've got the revamped gallery up and running, I'll post a note here. We'd like to have more pictures before the official opening. Come to think of it, who do we get to cut the red ribbon across the entrance? Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 09:16:06 -0000 From: Alison Page To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" Subject: [B7L] re: Strangerers Message-ID: <21B0197931E1D211A26E0008C79F6C4A60C05C@BRAMLEY> Content-Type: text/plain Una said > Arse! I didn't miss it, did I? Una Haven't got the magazine with me here but I think it was one of those forward reviews, where they get sent a tape of an upcoming series. It's going to be on Sky something. Starring Mark 'suits you sir' Thomas and someone else as aliens stranded on earth. Could be good but alas probably won't be Alison ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:24:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Iain Coleman To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Too quiet Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 Mac4781@aol.com wrote: > We don't know exact numbers. And even if we knew exact numbers, deciding how > many is too many is a matter of individual interpretation. > From context, "many, many people" == "a sufficiently large number of people that the question of destroying Star One becomes a serious moral dilemma". Arguing about the likely numbers, and whether or not they present a serious moral issue, seems to me to be massively missing the point. Iain ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 03:03:38 PST From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Too quiet Message-ID: <20000113110338.91642.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed After Carol wrote: Ellyne replied: Thanks, Ellyne, this is exactly what I (as Cheif Defender of Blowing Star One to Smithereens) was about to say. These examples are, to me, clearly signs not of loss of computer control but of computers out of control - it's not that no signals are being received, but that they're wildly mixed. Comes of giving total, unoverridable control to a computer complex, then making sure no one knows where the blasted thing is when it starts running amok... The results of *loss* of control would have been completely different IMO - that being about the only thing we can be sure of. Seems fairly obvious to me - the examples Durkim shows don't look like planets reverting to their normal, uncontrolled weather patterns, but worlds being devastated by unnatural conditions going haywire. Star One is still sending out commands, they're just scrambled, and it's killing 'many, many people' by its continued existence. And these examples indicate that, when Star One goes feral, individual worlds *cannot* override the lethal instructions (which makes sense, since it's an instrument of oppression). When all it said and done (and no, I don't think Blake, Travis *or* the Andromedans can take credit) the destruction of Star One may have been as much a mercy killing as a disaster. Like most things on B7, it all gets muddier the closer you look - Star One as a working Federation weapon kills; destroying Star One kills; Star One as an out-of-control but unstoppable control centre is killing...and there is no way, for Our Heroes or for us, to know which body count is highest. As Iain said, probably the actual body count matters less than the morality behind the numbers...but the numbers (in particular, the apocryphal 'millions') do tend to be used as the measure of the morality. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:19:25 -0000 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Too quiet Message-ID: <08e201bf5db8$51f29040$0d01a8c0@hedge> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Iain wrote: > On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 Mac4781@aol.com wrote: > > > We don't know exact numbers. And even if we knew exact numbers, deciding how > > many is too many is a matter of individual interpretation. > > >From context, "many, many people" == "a sufficiently large number of > people that the question of destroying Star One becomes a serious moral > dilemma". Arguing about the likely numbers, and whether or not they > present a serious moral issue, seems to me to be massively missing the > point. Indeed, if only *one* person had died, it would still have been a moral outrage. Una ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 09:09:03 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Too quiet Message-ID: In message <006201bf5d56$d2eecfe0$ca8edec2@pre-installedco>, Alison Page writes >Those are good points, but the question wasn't whether Blake is 'wicked' to >destroy Star One - the question was whether he was 'ruthless'. I think he >was, without disagreeing with what he did. Oh, I think he was ruthless - more so than Avon, in some ways. I just get fed up with people misquoting Cally to support their view of Blake. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #9 ************************************