From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #120 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/120 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 120 Today's Topics: [B7L] What makes a fan? [B7L] Re: Christopher Wheatley Re: [B7L] re Christopher Wheatley Re: [B7L] Re: The good ones in Season 4 [B7L] Re: Christopher Wheatley [B7L] Pooh and company [B7L] Research Tigger (Re: [B7L] New frame captures) Seven as Pooh (was Re: [B7L] New frame captures) Re: [B7L] New frame captures [B7L] Re: Fans and Memorabilia Re: [B7L] Deliverance pros & cons Re: [B7L] Research Re: [B7L] A.N.G.E.L.S Re: [B7L] Re: The good ones in Season 4 [B7L] Re The good ones in Season 4 [B7L] Re: Research Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 Re: [B7L] Captures and Kinks Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 [B7L] Re The good ones in Season 4 Re: [B7L] Captures and Kinks Re: [B7L] Types of fan (was Re Christopher Wheatley) Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 Re: [B7L] Re The good ones in Season 4 Re: [B7L] What makes a fan? (new question) Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 [B7L] fans and memorabilia Re: [B7L] Research Re: [B7L] Re: Fans and Memorabilia [B7L] fandom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:00:31 +1000 (EST) From: kat@welkin.apana.org.au (Kathryn Andersen) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se (Blake's 7 list) Subject: [B7L] What makes a fan? Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting question. Answer #1: If someone considers themself to be a fan, they are a fan. Answer #2: There are certain sufficient, but not neccessary conditions, that would indicate to someone *else* that someone is a fan, but even if someone meets these conditions, they may not be a fan... (yeah, confusing). What I mean is, you can give a list of things that fans do, and say "that is a fan", but not every fan does them, and not every fan has to do them to be a fan. Okay, specific examples: - watching the series repeatedly - collecting the series on video - reading interviews - collecting memorabilia - joining fan clubs - going to conventions - joining mailing lists - posting to mailing lists - creating web-pages - reading/buying fanzines - writing fanfic - editing fanzines These are indications, but you don't have to, for example, have piles of Starlogs in your basement to be considered a fan. Me, I don't usually buy such magazines, though I did sit and read someone *else's* entire collection of Blake's 7 monthlys when I first discovered fandom. Being a fan is different for everyone. Me, I have my own personal rule of thumb about whether *I* am a fan of something, as disinct from being merely just interested, and it is a rule-of-thumb that I wouldn't dream of applying to anyone else. The rule is this: if I've written fanfic/poetry about a universe, then I'm a fan of it. By that rule, I'm a fan of: Blake's 7 (most heavily) Doctor Who Highlander Sapphire & Steel UFO The Champions VR.5 Babylon 5 Robotech Bladerunner Forever Knight Ocean Girl which is a pretty reasonable rule of thumb; a few of these I am no longer a fan of, but I used to be, and there are a few universes (such as The Pretender or S:AAB) for which I would *like* to write something, but haven't yet. But for me, if I am so into a series that it touches my heart and mind enough to write poetry or fanfic about it, then I've got to be a fan of it. If I just like watching it, even if I am really regular at watching it, then I'm just an Interested Party, and not a fan. But for people who don't write fanfic at all, then that rule simply can't apply. People can say whether they themselves think they are a fan of something, but to try to apply one's personal rule-of-thumb to someone else, and if they don't fit, to declare that they aren't a "real fan", is exclusive and divisive. Someone is a fan if they think they are. Kathryn Andersen -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://connexus.apana.org.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "std/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:52:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Una McCormack To: Lysator Subject: [B7L] Re: Christopher Wheatley Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jackie said: >Perhaps I made the mistake of assuming that someone who said he was a >fan of Blakes 7 since the beginning would have a collection of >memorabilia. Although I have yet to meet a *fan* who does not collect >memorabilia. Perhaps Chris (and yourself) are the first. Is there anyone >esle on the list who is a fan of Blakes 7 and does not collect >memorabilia? Depends what you mean by memorabilia, I suppose. I pretty much only buy the odd zine these days (and the new video releases): when I got into fandom the first time (1989) I bought a bit of Horizon stuff, but couldn't really afford all that much because I was a student. When the programme was on originally I was only 9 and didn't have much in the way of disposable income! ;) These days I just don't seem to want to collect stuff - I don't buy artwork, I don't buy costumes, I don't buy merchandise from fanclubs, I don't buy posters or stickers or T-shirts or mugs (except for other people). I came away from Deliverance with 20 quids worth of zines and a nice buzz about all the fun I'd had meeting and chatting to people. (I also inherited my brother's B7 collection from when he was a fan in the early 80s, so perhaps the pressure isn't there so much! - i.e. the Monthly, rather too many issues of Starburst, a nice set of zines, his LPF newsletters - yeah! I remember them too!!) And yet as I spend substantial amounts of time chatting and thinking and writing about Blake's 7 I suppose I could only call myself a fan. But I don't think I spend that much money on it - particularly as the e-mail connection comes free with work! ;) Una --------------------------------------------------------------------------- A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Judge Institute of Management Studies Tel: +44 (0)1223 766064 Trumpington Street Fax: +44 (0)1223 339701 Cambridge CB2 1AG http://www.sticklebrock.demon.co.uk/una United Kingdom http://www.jims.cam.ac.uk/research/ion/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:02:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Una McCormack To: Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] re Christopher Wheatley Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Tom said: >I'd like to class myself as a fan. I'm a fairly newly-uplifted one, >having seen it when very young, vaguely thought about it sometimes, and >then having a girlfriend who raised me to "active" fan status by having >all the videos (and it's all Una's fault :-). Does putting that up on a mailing list make that libel or slander? Una ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Judge Institute of Management Studies Tel: +44 (0)1223 766064 Trumpington Street Fax: +44 (0)1223 339701 Cambridge CB2 1AG http://www.sticklebrock.demon.co.uk/una United Kingdom http://www.jims.cam.ac.uk/research/ion/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:08:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Una McCormack To: Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: The good ones in Season 4 Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pat wrote: >>brent@ntr.net wrote: >> >> The Ugly: >> Animals (How can these thugs be causing so much trouble if we've never >> heard of them?) >> Animals (Why do they look like 20th century punks?) >> Animals (Egads, that hair!) > >You're thinking of Stardrive, dear. The punk riding-mower morons, the >troll hair-dos. See! Vindication! I *knew* that it couldn't be 'Animals' you all hated! (Be still, my beating Og, the hour is nigh. Soon the whole world will be in my power and they shall all know the delights of 'Animals'...) Una --------------------------------------------------------------------------- A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Judge Institute of Management Studies Tel: +44 (0)1223 766064 Trumpington Street Fax: +44 (0)1223 339701 Cambridge CB2 1AG http://www.sticklebrock.demon.co.uk/una United Kingdom http://www.jims.cam.ac.uk/research/ion/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:12:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Una McCormack To: Lysator Subject: [B7L] Re: Christopher Wheatley Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Alison said: >PS - Oh No, I've got a Myers Briggs comment coming on.. womanfully>.. phew.. kept it under control Go on - I dare you! BTW, Christopher, what's it like to have a thread named after you? Una --------------------------------------------------------------------------- A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Judge Institute of Management Studies Tel: +44 (0)1223 766064 Trumpington Street Fax: +44 (0)1223 339701 Cambridge CB2 1AG http://www.sticklebrock.demon.co.uk/una United Kingdom http://www.jims.cam.ac.uk/research/ion/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:14:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Una McCormack To: Lysator Subject: [B7L] Pooh and company Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There is a Pooh / Blake's 7 crossover story on 'The Aquitar Files' Una --------------------------------------------------------------------------- A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Judge Institute of Management Studies Tel: +44 (0)1223 766064 Trumpington Street Fax: +44 (0)1223 339701 Cambridge CB2 1AG http://www.sticklebrock.demon.co.uk/una United Kingdom http://www.jims.cam.ac.uk/research/ion/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:59:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Una McCormack To: Lysator cc: Space City Subject: [B7L] Research Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Wow! What a *terrific* response! You're all being extremely kind, and I think you'll enjoy it. Other people who haven't offered to take part - go on! You know you want to! ;) What I envisage will have a couple of stages: 1. I'm going to ask you to rank order all the episodes according to a specific pattern in a scale ranging from 'most like' to 'most dislike', and provide comments on why you've put particular episodes at extremes. 2. I then go away and do some number-crunching and try to find out if any of you have come up with shared / similar preferences for combinations of episodes. 3. In the meantime, you all keep up this fascinating discussion about what B7 fandom means to you. Talk about it more! What about: - B7 fandom - your experience of it - how you perceive yourself as fan - how you perceive other people as fans - what's important to you as a B7 fan - what activities are important to 'being a fan' (or not) There's no holds barred on this discussion (***except within the confines of the rules of Lysator, obviously***) - I want you to tell me about why it is that everyday (mostly) you sit and pen responses to a mailing list devoted to 48 hours of BBC TV that (in the UK at least) haven't been transmitted since 1982!! 4. When we've burned this discussion out, with the permission of the people who have posted, I will sample what you have all been saying and come up with about 40/50 statements about B7 fandom and being a fan. Then I'll ask people to rank these statements again, in a specific order, this time from 'most agree' to 'most disagree'. 5. Then, back to me for the number crunching, and try to find out whether there are shared perspectives on fandom, and what these are. I'll come back to you all with my interpretations of these, and you can tear what I've interpreted to shreds until we reach agreement on these shared perspectives are. 6. Then the nice bit - are there any relationships between the shared preferences for episodes and people's experience of being a fan? I'm in the process of setting up little website which will have fuller instructions for people, and explain how I want you to rank the episodes and how I'd like you to report your rankings out to me. All the people who have responded and offered to participate I will contact personally with the details, but I shall also post up the URL on these mailing lists so that anyone else who would like to take part can have the opportunity to do so. I am *extremely* grateful that people have offered to do this. I'll ask you to be patient with me as I put up the website, for 2 good reasons: 1. This takes a bit of organization and I'll be doing it in my spare time ('You have spare time?!?' people cry. 'You lucky woman!') 2. I'm rubbish at HTML :( Let's give it a go and see what come out! Una --------------------------------------------------------------------------- A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Judge Institute of Management Studies Tel: +44 (0)1223 766064 Trumpington Street Fax: +44 (0)1223 339701 Cambridge CB2 1AG http://www.sticklebrock.demon.co.uk/una United Kingdom http://www.jims.cam.ac.uk/research/ion/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:32:59 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Tigger (Re: [B7L] New frame captures) Message-ID: <19980423203259.27683@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Thu, Apr 23, 1998 at 12:01:46AM -0700, Tramila wrote: > Tramila wrote: > >>but if that will get you to consider the episode than go for it. > Tramila really needs >to see lots of Vila pics. > > Nicola wrote: > >*sigh* Take cover, everyone, she's channeling Tigger again ;-) > > Tigger? I never knew who Tigger was until my FK friends used that name and > mine in the same sentence. hummmmmmmm. I guess one of these days I'm > going to have to watch that show. maybe not. Maybe I can watch > for the grandkids and if I am very, very lucky that will be in a very long > time. No, no, no! Do *not* watch the show that calls itself "Winnie the Pooh". Please do not. It is a travesty. Read the original books. They are fun. ObB7: so, do you think that reading was a lost art by the time of Blake's 7? Kathryn A.S.K.S. -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://connexus.apana.org.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "std/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:48:24 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Seven as Pooh (was Re: [B7L] New frame captures) Message-ID: <19980423204824.24026@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Thu, Apr 23, 1998 at 05:35:45PM +1000, Bill Billingsley wrote: > Which Pooh characters would you cast in which roles.... > > Christopher Robin - Blake > Pooh - Tarrant > Rabbit - Avon > Piglet - Vila > Eeyore - Gan > Owl - Cally > Kanga - Jenna > Roo - Dayna No... Pooh - Gan Piglet - Vila because Pooh is a gentle, kind bear, though of little brain, and Piglet is his timid friend, which I think is a good representation of the Gan-Vila relationship I agree with Calle - Owl is Orac. Yes, Avon is probably Rabbit. Tarrant is Tigger - very boucy and impulsive. Tarrant isn't like Pooh at all! I don't think there *is* an Eeyore character in the Seven, there isn't anyone who's really terminally depressed like Eeyore is - unless you count Slave? So who do we have left? Kanga and Roo, Cally, Jenna, Dayna, Soolin, Zen, Servalan and Travis. Hmmm, not enough to go around. -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://connexus.apana.org.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "std/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 06:52:08 -0500 From: Lisa Williams To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] New frame captures Message-Id: <199804231147.GAA28958@mail.dallas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Tramila wrote: >Tigger? I never knew who Tigger was until my FK friends used that name and >mine in the same sentence. hummmmmmmm. I guess one of these days I'm >going to have to watch that show. Books. Not "show". Books. You know, the paper things. - Lisa _____________________________________________________________ Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@ti.com Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/ New Riders of the Golden Age: http://www.warhorse.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:22:38 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] Re: Fans and Memorabilia Message-ID: <199804230822_MC2-3AC6-8690@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Shela wrote: >Since no one is expressing any *passion* for the >fandom in this thread, I'll be the first. Oh, yes, I was sort of taking the passion thing for granted. Though not necessarily using passion and lust as synonyms. Passion is for the whole phenomenon (well, except most of fourth season); lust for the occasional black silk shirt. >I don't collect "fan memorabilia" -- I'm not interested >in "teleport bracelets" I confess I did order a teleport bracelet at the end of December. Waiting anxiously for Horizon to get enough orders to have a batch made. (Mrs Taylor assures me that the order did arrive.) And to console myself in the meantime, I got a keyring with a picture of Vila. For some reason, I don't think of these as memorabilia, or as essential fan accessories, just as items that took my fancy. Harriet PS I though we agreed last time that Tigger was Tarrant? And what is the case against Eeyore = Avon? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:29:00 -0400 From: Fiona Scarlett To: Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Deliverance pros & cons Message-ID: <199804230829_MC2-3ACA-A533@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >> >>> It is, after all, simply >>>an opinion. It rolls off my back like water off a duck. I trust that we >>>all can respect the words of (Thomas Jefferson?) who said something >>>like: "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death >>>your right to say it." >>>Pat P >> >>hear! hear! >> >>I didn't go to/organize the CON either and I have to say - having heard a >first hand account >>of it from Jenni - that it sounded like I missed a really great time. Any >party/convention/ >>event is going to have its problems and I have yet to hear any criticism >of the Con that was >>not constructive. That said, I do understand that when you have worked >really hard on >>something it can be difficult to take critism and often it can feel personal. >>Anyone who organises an event which people pay money to attend has to be >prepared to deal >>with complaints about it. >>so I say - grow up DIVA! - Adults can deal with this kind of thing in a >professional manner >>and do not have to resort to flaming. I am a Customer Support >Professional and even the >>nastiest and most Foul-mouthed customers (which Kathryn was clearly NO >WHERE NEAR) can be >>dealt with in a civil manner. >> >>As for the issue of Diva remaining anonymous - Having called herself a CON >organiser >>then she should have identified herself. >> >>Right - Rant over! >> >>Fifitrix >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>fifitrix@compuserve.com >>fscarlett@hotmail.com >> >> >Can I just point out that at no time did Diva claim to be one of >"Deliverance's" organisers. "Deliverance" had three committee members, or >"organisers", and Diva was not one of them. Diva was one of "Deliverance's" >staff. Thank you. > >Judith > I stand corrected. Thinking about my response above (as I was in bed at about 2 this morning) I came to the conclusion that I should have qualified it, by saying that I had not picked up any e-mail for 2 weeks, and therefore all the furore was still fresh for me. Apologies to anyone who was glad that this was all over. Also apologies to the organisers of Deliverance as I got the facts wrong. going back to mostly lurking as shoving my head above the parapet seems to land me in trouble. (my own fault you understand.....my teachers always said that I didn't read the question properly..........as did my university lecturers.......too impatient I guess.......should read WHOLE email and not just skim through extracting its essence...and in this case missing vital information................Oh lets face it I'm just CRAP aren't I ?) I'm going to lie down in a dark room. or failing that I'm going to eat some Chocolate. or possibly both. fifitrix xxx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:01:15 +1000 From: Wainwrights To: Una McCormack , Lysator Cc: Space City Subject: Re: [B7L] Research Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980423230115.0079d100@mail.eisa.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:59 23/04/98 +0000, Una McCormack wrote: >Wow! What a *terrific* response! You're all being extremely kind, and I >think you'll enjoy it. > >Other people who haven't offered to take part - go on! You know you want >to! ;) > > >What I envisage will have a couple of stages: > >1. I'm going to ask you to rank order all the episodes according to a >specific pattern in a scale ranging from 'most like' to 'most dislike', >and provide comments on why you've put particular episodes at extremes. > >2. I then go away and do some number-crunching and try to find out if any >of you have come up with shared / similar preferences for combinations of >episodes. > >3. In the meantime, you all keep up this fascinating discussion about what >B7 fandom means to you. Talk about it more! What about: > >- B7 fandom >- your experience of it >- how you perceive yourself as fan >- how you perceive other people as fans >- what's important to you as a B7 fan >- what activities are important to 'being a fan' (or not) > >There's no holds barred on this discussion (***except within the confines >of the rules of Lysator, obviously***) - I want you to tell me about why >it is that everyday (mostly) you sit and pen responses to a mailing list >devoted to 48 hours of BBC TV that (in the UK at least) haven't been >transmitted since 1982!! > >4. When we've burned this discussion out, with the permission of the >people who have posted, I will sample what you have all been saying and >come up with about 40/50 statements about B7 fandom and being a fan. Then >I'll ask people to rank these statements again, in a specific order, this >time from 'most agree' to 'most disagree'. > >5. Then, back to me for the number crunching, and try to find out whether >there are shared perspectives on fandom, and what these are. I'll come >back to you all with my interpretations of these, and you can tear what >I've interpreted to shreds until we reach agreement on these shared >perspectives are. > >6. Then the nice bit - are there any relationships between the shared >preferences for episodes and people's experience of being a fan? > > >I'm in the process of setting up little website which will have fuller >instructions for people, and explain how I want you to rank the episodes >and how I'd like you to report your rankings out to me. All the people who >have responded and offered to participate I will contact personally with >the details, but I shall also post up the URL on these mailing lists so >that anyone else who would like to take part can have the opportunity to >do so. > > >I am *extremely* grateful that people have offered to do this. I'll ask >you to be patient with me as I put up the website, for 2 good reasons: > >1. This takes a bit of organization and I'll be doing it in my spare time >('You have spare time?!?' people cry. 'You lucky woman!') > >2. I'm rubbish at HTML :( > > >Let's give it a go and see what come out! > > >Una >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy >enough people to make it worth the effort. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >The Judge Institute of Management Studies Tel: +44 (0)1223 766064 >Trumpington Street Fax: +44 (0)1223 339701 >Cambridge >CB2 1AG http://www.sticklebrock.demon.co.uk/una >United Kingdom http://www.jims.cam.ac.uk/research/ion/ >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 06:25:24 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: pussnboots@geocities.com CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] A.N.G.E.L.S Message-ID: <353F4F53.5165@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pat Patera wrote: > > Helen Krummenacker wrote: re: > > Graham, Gregory wrote: > > > Except for those of us who have already become too powerful to be > > > limited to chairman/president. One will only settle for Supreme > > > Commander. > > In that case, I think I'll apply for position of Goddess. :) > I do hope you're practicing your quick draw, grrl, cuz that title is > already taken and if you want to fight over it, you'll have to do battle > with the Golden Goddess Soolin. > Pat P > Acolyte at the Temple of the Golden Goddess Soolin Ah, but I could never be a _Golden_ Goddess. She can be the Golden Goddess, and I'll be... Silver Goddess, or Dark-eyed Goddess, or Machivellian Goddess... Why am I explaining myself to you? As a member of Meglomaniacs Anonoymous-- HEY! A meglomaniac would NEVER be anonymous. Avona ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 06:32:20 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: Tramila CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: The good ones in Season 4 Message-ID: <353F50F3.505D@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tramila wrote: > > Pat wrote: > > >Plus, I'll never forgive the producers for not strapping Avon into that > >chair, at the mercy of Servalan priming him to kill Blake: I can hear > >Avon growling now: "I hate him! I *hate* him!" > > LOL The imaginary Pat. Oh MY!!!! > You have GOT to wrote this story!!!! > > Tramila I usually don't write "Me, too"s, but as soon as I read that idea... it would be SO much more believable, and it would give the shooting a new twist. And Avon would be so fearsome growling at the picture. And yes, let Dayna go hunting instead.. Write the story, write the story. Helen, aka Avona ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:16:23 +0100 GMT From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re The good ones in Season 4 Message-Id: <498296857MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk> How can Dangermouse possible describe Animals as "unmitigated worthless crap" with all that brilliant character acting by David Boyce. Humph! cheers Steve Rogerson Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ "The workers united will never be ignited" Guards! Guards! - Terry Pratchett ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:49:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Una McCormack To: Lysator Subject: [B7L] Re: Research Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Iain wrote about the Journal of Hawkwind Studies: >Well, a few years ago I got really pished at a party and apparently came >up with a fully relativistic proof that the band Hawkwind exists at all >points in spacetime. I don't remember the proof, You need *proof*?!? Surely this is a truth we could all hold to be self-evident?!? ;) >everything in the universe is, in a very real sense, Hawkwind. At least it's not Runrig... Brrr.... >Yes, this is what years of theoretical physics, Philip K Dick novels and >cheap whisky do to the brain. Thanks God I've avoided all 3!!! All right, you're in! ;) Una -------------------------------------------------------------------------- A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Judge Institute of Management Studies Tel: +44 (0)1223 766064 Trumpington Street Fax: +44 (0)1223 339701 Cambridge CB2 1AG http://www.sticklebrock.demon.co.uk/una United Kingdom http://www.jims.cam.ac.uk/research/ion/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:01:28 -0400 From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 Message-ID: <199804231501.LAA01731@yfn.ysu.edu> D. Rose wrote (about HOK): > I agree 100%. And of course, I can't resist Avon's rousing from his >monomania long enough to bail everyone out of the mess. Something about >Tarrant being shown up, I think! Deborah! I thought we had cured you of your bad habits. I guess we'll have to put you back under the hynomachine next Eclecticon. ;-) Actually, I like that Avon bails Tarrant out, and that they all end up making mistakes in this ep. It proves they are human. There's the bit when Avon thinks he has outwitted Servalan by instructing Zen that the crew has to be put down on an Earth-like planet before Servalan gets Zen access. Then Servalan points out that the nearest such planet is Kairos. The expression on Avon's face is priceless. Of course, *I* LOVE Harvest. There's the implication that Tarrant had quite the impressive reputation with Space Command and Jarvik. And his knowing about the third pursuit ship. The cute way he puts his arm about Vila. The "kiss." The absolutely yummy angles when Tarrant is rolling about the grass with Jarvik. His adorable line that he doesn't know if he can dock the shuttle because he didn't expect to get that far. It's a great ep. Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:04:01 -0400 From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 Message-ID: <199804231504.LAA01855@yfn.ysu.edu> Ian wrote: >Oh it's always nice when Tarrant gets shown up. Wouldn't it have been nice >if Vila had shot him at some point!! :-) Not another one! Ian, I've just booked a vacation on Kairos for you. I'm sorry that we won't be able to see you at Pages in June after all. ;-) Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:01:37 -0700 From: Tramila To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Captures and Kinks Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980423080137.006dc5a0@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Russ wrote: >Number of times captured: > >Avon: 17 (2 of which were voluntary) >Blake: 10 >Cally: 11 >Dayna: 12 >Gan: 5 >Jenna: 7 >Soolin: 1 >Tarrant: 12 > >Divide these numbers by the number of series in which each character >appeared and we get, ranked in order of captures per season: > >Dayna: 6.00 >Tarrant: 6.00 >Blake: 5.00 >Avon: 4.25 >Cally: 3.67 >Jenna: 3.50 >Gan: 3.33 >Soolin: 1.00 Notice how Vila is not here. Notice how intelligent that makes our lovely thief. 4.25 times more intelligent than Avon and 6 times more intelligent than Tarrant and Dayna. Life is good. :) Tramila --------- Charter Member and Pres. of V.I.C.E. Vila's Intimately Corruptable Element Am I corruptable? Of course I am! and loving it!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:26:30 -0400 From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 Message-ID: <199804231526.LAA03070@yfn.ysu.edu> Tramila's response to Vila's shooting Tarrant: >Now there's a thought.... a happy thought. > > People, I didn't want to have to become a serial cyberkiller, but ... ... how much can a Tarrant fan take. Besides, if Vila shoots Tarrant, he's going to be awfully lonely alone in bed at night. ;-) Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:47:28 +0100 From: James Mansson To: "Lysator Blake's 7 Mailing List" Subject: [B7L] Re The good ones in Season 4 Message-ID: <353F628F.13F7@atlas.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk wrote: > > How can Dangermouse possible describe Animals as > "unmitigated worthless crap" with all that brilliant character > acting by David Boyce. Humph! Well, we've got the Tarrant Nostra to protect everyone's favourite pilot, so why don't we have the R.S.P.C.A. (Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to "Animals") to protect everyone's favourite episode? James ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:55:39 -0400 From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy) To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Captures and Kinks Message-ID: <199804231555.LAA04406@yfn.ysu.edu> Tramilla wrote: >Russ wrote: > >>Number of times captured: >> >>Avon: 17 (2 of which were voluntary) >>Blake: 10 >>Cally: 11 >>Dayna: 12 >>Gan: 5 >>Jenna: 7 >>Soolin: 1 >>Tarrant: 12 >Notice how Vila is not here. Notice how intelligent that makes our lovely >thief. 4.25 times more intelligent than Avon and 6 times more intelligent >than Tarrant and Dayna. Life is good. :) That would depend on how one defines "good." I'm positively lusting over 12 visions of Tarrant in captivity. I especially like when he gets tied up in Volcano and Power. But his worn, ill, resigned expression in Children of Auron is also noteworthy. However, the best one is when Blake pulls the gun on him in "Blake." Poor, disillusioned Tarrant is "arrested" by someone he thought was one of the good guys. (Russ, thanks for jogging my memory into remembering these stellar moments.) One would expect the more reckless members of the crew to end up captive more often. But shouldn't Vila be on the list? He was a captive in Powerplay. And they were all captives in Dawn and Harvest. He was also captured in Stardrive. And Rescue (when Dorian is holding a gun on Vila and Dayna). And while my early season knowledge is limited, we also have Horizon and Bounty. And I think we have to count Sarcophagus, City, and Terminal. Space Fall. Eek, the numbers keep growing. For a person who liked to avoid trouble, darling Vilakins managed to get more than his share of it. Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:01:22 -0500 From: "Reuben Herfindahl" To: "Harriet Monkhouse" <101637.2064@compuserve.com>, Subject: Re: [B7L] Types of fan (was Re Christopher Wheatley) Message-ID: <004001bd6ed1$1376b990$660114ac@misnt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, having gotten into the game fairly late, I didn't get a chance to get everything when it first came out (I was 3). I'm fairly happy with what little I've got, and really don't have an urge to join a fan club (the lists are better than any fan club I've ever been in). I have all the videos, picked up a few of the books and made the mistake of getting the 1st four MM (at least the first issue still has the iron on intact). I still consider myself a big fan. I measure all TV against B7(guess who canceled cable?), name servers after characters and even went so far as attempting (and failing) to write some quality fan-fic. Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:57:45 +0100 From: "Ian Lay" To: , Subject: Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 Message-ID: <01bd6ed0$8e5797c0$407a0439@Ian_Lay.es.lon.sita.int> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carol wrote: >>Oh it's always nice when Tarrant gets shown up. Wouldn't it have been nice >>if Vila had shot him at some point!! :-) > >Not another one! Ian, I've just booked a vacation on Kairos for >you. I'm sorry that we won't be able to see you at Pages in >June after all. ;-) :-) Ah well I was only kidding. Though Tarrant wasn't my favourite character (those are Vila, Avon and all the computers i.e. ORAC, Slave and Zen) I did like him. It's just he picked on poor Vila too much. I preferred him more in the 4th series than the 3rd. He was far too arrogant in the 3rd series. Take care, Ian "50% increases. Are you getting that shafted feeling?" Lay //// :-) \\\\ Watford Internet Football Club Ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk or wifc@wfc.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:13:01 +0100 From: "Ian Lay" To: , "Lysator Blake's 7 Mailing List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re The good ones in Season 4 Message-ID: <01bd6ed2$b00ef640$407a0439@Ian_Lay.es.lon.sita.int> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James wrote: > >Well, we've got the Tarrant Nostra to protect everyone's favourite >pilot, so why don't we have the R.S.P.C.A. (Royal Society for the >Prevention of Cruelty to "Animals") to protect everyone's favourite >episode? Just to add my two-penneth to the discussion. Animals is quite frankly the worst episode of the entire series. IMHO of course. It is the only one I avoid when watching the 4th series. the only good bits are at the beginning with Tarrant and Slave when they are getting attacked.... and Vila in the "tank". All the stuff in the middle usually gets the fast forward treatment. Ian "50% increases. Are you getting that shafted feeling?" Lay //// :-) \\\\ Watford Internet Football Club Ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk or wifc@wfc.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:35:08 -0500 From: "Reuben Herfindahl" To: "Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] What makes a fan? (new question) Message-ID: <00aa01bd6ed5$c740e410$660114ac@misnt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I seem to recall the question being asked earlier, but my memory is hazy. What other shows, or anything actually do people here consider themselves fans of? I'll disclaimer this quickly by saying my list changes frequently an unpredictably. My list (in vague order): Dr. Who Blake's 7 Star Trek (the original) MST3K Star Trek:TNG Macintosh and Power PC - I know it doesn't really fit here, but it's a huge passion of mine. Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:18:02 -0700 From: Tramila To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980423101802.00cb5b08@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Tramila's response to Vila's shooting Tarrant: >>Now there's a thought.... a happy thought. >> Carol Mc wrote: >People, I didn't want to have to become a serial cyberkiller, >but ... ... how much can a Tarrant fan take. :) he he oops sorry. But Tarrant was an irritant from the moment he said, "My ship!" grrrrr I may be a Vila fan now but I started out an Avon fan and that Tarrant comment placed by into the category of low life in my book. It was Avon's ship. It was always Avon's ship from the moment that he stepped on board. >Besides, if Vila shoots Tarrant, he's going to be awfully lonely alone in bed at night. ;-) ROTFLMAO! Not really. He'll be with Avon. Remember. He's always safe with Avon. LOL Except during Orbit. hummmmmm. And speaking of A/V...perhaps I should dig out a few of my zlines.... naaaaw, not enough time. Have company coming. Must clean house. Be afraid. Be very afraid. Tramila --------- Charter Member and Pres. of V.I.C.E. Vila's Intimately Corruptable Element Am I corruptable? Of course I am! and loving it!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:11:20 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] fans and memorabilia Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII It's fascinating to decide what people actually consider to be memorabilia. Some things are clear cut. If you have an original teleport bracelet or costume, then that just has to be memorabilia. How about magazines? If you bought them when they came out, they probably don't count. However, if you've hung onto them for 20 years or bought them second-hand, then they probably qualify. Are fanzines memorabilia? What about photographs? Publicity shots pretty well have to qualify, but what about more informal shots of the cast? I know people who collect those. Fan art? I've got framed artwork by Suzan Lovatt and Val Westall. Theatre flyers? Novels? Annuals? (I guess they are memorabilia, but they are still naff) My gut feeling is that to qualify as memorabilia, things have to be either original to the series or at least out of print. Memorabilia has to have been specifically collected as opposed to just acquired out of general interest. Judith PS. If anyone has any unwanted theatre flyers or programmes for anything Gareth Thomas has been in, I collect those. I'm also interested in publicity photos, although I think I have most of the easy to get ones. -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:36:28 +0100 From: "Heather Smith" To: "Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Research Message-ID: <007c01bd6ede$598c3d80$163e63c3@smith99> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Wow! What a *terrific* response! You're all being extremely kind, and >I think you'll enjoy it. > >Other people who haven't offered to take part - go on! You know you >want to! ;) Okay, Okay, consider me offered. Heather. 'There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish' -The fourth Doctor -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GIT/L/P/O d--? s-():(+) a--- C++(+++)>$ US@ P L E--- W++>+++ N++ !o K w+(---) O@ M- V PS+>$ PE Y+>++ PGP-- t-- 5+ X-(+) R(-)* tv b++++ DI+ D++ G++>+++ e->+++++ h++ r? x- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:02:41 -0500 From: "Reuben Herfindahl" To: "Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Fans and Memorabilia Message-ID: <00cf01bd6ee2$027f18b0$660114ac@misnt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se Date: Thursday, April 23, 1998 7:25 AM Subject: [B7L] Re: Fans and Memorabilia And what is the >case against Eeyore = Avon? Well, it is insinuating that he's an ass. Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:53:02 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] fandom Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Thu 23 Apr, Alison Page wrote: > Perhaps there should be a category of 'super-fan' for people like Jackie > and Judth and others for whom B7 is (as she says) a major hobby, and 'fan' > for others for whom it is one of their interests (like me). I think most > people would say I am a 'fan' (I mean people outside of B7 would) but I > wouldn't dream of buying memorabilia, and my reading is much more > restricted than Jackie's I'm sure. Ah, no, please! I'd hate to be in a different category from anyone else who loves the series. 'super-fan' sounds pretentious. A more apropriate title for people who do things like fanzine publishing and con-running would be 'congenital idiot'. Here's my personal definition of 'fan' (which I reserve the right to change every week) - a fan is someone who tries to convert their frineds to the series. They love it so much that they want to share it. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #120 **************************************