From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #136 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/136 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 136 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Invasion Earth? [B7L] Visions [B7L] Re B5-B7 [B7L] Southern Seven #11 and #12 [B7L] Re: B7-B5 links [B7L] B5-B7 links [B7L] Hemlock (was Re Neil Faulkner replies) [B7L] Re: Drink colours [B7L] Re: B7-B5 links [B7L] Re: B7-B5 links (very minor S4 plastic ref) Re: [B7L] Re B5-B7 [B7L] Red Rose Con ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 20:44:23 +0100 From: Russ Massey To: Alison Page Cc: Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Invasion Earth? Message-ID: In message , Alison Page writes >Me then Russ : > >> > Is the Anton Lesser character going to continue to >> >be rather Vila-ish? >> > >> SPOILER SPACE (just in case) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> That's the guy who ended up in hospital, right? What did you think was so >> Vila-ish about him? I'd be interested to learn how come he was so cool >about >> the possibility of UFOs and non-humans in 1944. Was he part of some >> government group or was it just a poorly motivated characterisation? > >I meant the human who climbed out of the spaceship and then spent the rest >of the time running away until he collapsed from dehydration and blood >loss. I think they all ended up in hospital in the end didn't they :-) I >missed the first five or ten minutes, so I may be missing the point - but >is 1944 a typo? All the bit I saw was set more or less now, and the 'Vila' >character didn't really talk very coherently. We're probably at cross >purposes. > I'm afraid you missed a crucial teaser scene. The human who climbed out of the spaceship was seen as a Royal Engineer officer in London during the period of attack by V-1 'doodlebugs'. He and his squad discover a crashed spaceship amid the rubbled buildings, one of the survivors was shot 'attempting to escape' and the other was stretchered away. > >I agree with your assessment of the pilot and the scientist. But, we'll >see, I still think it's the most promising Brit SF since.. well.. that >would be heresy wouldn't it? > It's certainly worth sticking with. -- Russ Massey ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 10:00:12 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] Visions Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII My main moan about Visions is that there aren't enough fan panels, so I've put my money where my mouth is and offered to run several. If anyone is going to Visions and wants to lend me a hand with any of the panels, just drop me a line. Thery've promised me they won't timeyable them against Gareth (please excuse typos - I've fractured a bone in my right elbow and am trying ti type with one left fi ger,) As Garth will be drssing as Blake for most of Saturda, I figured some discussions on GP tpics might be fun. I've settled on 'What happened to Blake between Star One and Gauda Prime?' and 'How creative can we get in devising ways for characters to survive Gauda Prime?' I'm also working on writing, zine pubkishing and filking. (my logic says that the brst way of finding other people with the dame interestd is to get a session onto the timetsble) Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 12:29:47 +1000 From: Tim Richards & Narrelle Harris To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re B5-B7 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980510122947.007b25b0@wire.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thank you to those who put spoiler warnings on their postings regarding Babylon 5... Could others try to do the same? I know it's a bit difficult to tell when something is going to be a spoiler, but remember that Australia (and maybe Britain?) are a long way behind the US - in Oz we're only part way through series 4. The Voice of the Resistance has only just gone on-line in the last episode, if that's any help. Some folks like to know the plots in advance. Me? I spend half my time in conversation and on the net trying strenuously to avoid spoilers. By the way, I saw the connections between The Demolished Man and some psi corp stuff, particularly the episode where the monk-killer is mind wiped. There are a lot of influences at work in this show, which help to give it its texture and depth. I believe that on the whole JMS acknowledges his sources and influences in interviews, but whatever the truth, he incorporates his influences and ideas very smoothly. I'm looking forward to doing more B7-spotting, among other connections. :-) Narrelle ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tim Richards and Narrelle Harris parallax@wire.net.au http://www.wire.net.au/~parallax "Look, he's winding up the watch of his wit; by and by it will strike." - Shakespeare ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 10:13:46 EDT From: Bizarro7 To: space-city@world.std.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Southern Seven #11 and #12 Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have a message from Ann Wortham: There will be a VERY limited amount of any of Ashton Press B7 zines available at MediaWest*Con and if there was anything in particular you really really want, you might want to order it in advance... like RIGHT NOW. Because I have to have the zines printed and shipped ahead of time from Washington State! This includes both older issues already in print and the upcoming new Southern Seven #11 and Southern Seven #12. Linda Knights will be posting the prices for these zines as soon as they are available, which will be VERY shortly. Again, her website is: http://www.nas.com/~lknight/web-ads/main1.html Many thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 10:41:47 -0400 (EDT) From: brent@ntr.net To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: B7-B5 links Message-Id: <199805101441.KAA10915@rome.ntr.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Christine Lacey wrote: >Undoubtedly. I remember when I first saw the ep where Sheridan shows up >and says something like "my wife, Anna, is dead" I immediately squeaked - >no she's not, she's working for the bad guys. I spent two whole series >waiting to be proved right. Something I like doing (other than spotting references and usage of older plots--not that I necessarily think this is RIPPING OFF, mind you), is to see where cast changes have caused adaptations in JMS' arc. The most notable is the ever-inquisitive Catherine Sakamoto being replaced by Anna when Sinclair is dumped in favor of Sheridan. Another is Talia's departure which meant that JMS had to have another super-strong telepath to replace her (remember how Ironheart altered her psi-abilities in one of the first few episodes?). Lyta Alexander came back to the fold and started having her own abilities manipulated by the Vorlon in order to move her up to Talia's level. Talia's departure was also a convenient way to make her Control, which was originally going to be the Asian woman from the pilot (and I've heard that would have then fallen to Ivanova, but it either changed or was never a part of JMS' original plan for her). There are a few others, but since this now has little to do with B7, I'll call a halt to my ramblings. >I wish I'd had the nerve to ask JMS (the one and only time I saw him at a >con) whether he called her Anna on purpose. But he'd probably have denied >it He would have said it was a coincidence. Although he acknowledges B7, he seems to not remember it very well--at least that's what I get from the few interviews I have read. This is not to say I am right, or wrong, or just dreaming; I do not know. Just an opinion. Thank you and good day. Brent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 19:19:22 +0100 GMT From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] B5-B7 links Message-Id: <598118581MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk> Thanks to all of you who responded to my request for links between Babylon 5 and Blake's 7, they were very useful. You'll see the finished result when the progress report comes out in September. I have to say though that thinking about links sure affects your hearing when watching Babylon 5. I was watching the episode The Quality of Mercy today when Laura Rosen told Dr Franklin she had "Blake's Syndrome". "That means you only have two or three years to live," said Franklin. I nearly choked on my coffee. So I rewound the tape and found what she actually said was she had "Lake's Syndrome". cheers Steve Rogerson Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ "The workers united will never be ignited" Guards! Guards! - Terry Pratchett ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 20:36:08 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] Hemlock (was Re Neil Faulkner replies) Message-ID: <199805102036_MC2-3C8A-68@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Brooke said: >It's been awhile since I read =The Republic=, >but from what I recall Neil has more in common >with Thrasymachus than with Socrates. Damn, I had a very vague notion that Thras got hemlocked too, but now can't find a thing to back it up. He died a year before Socrates. Maybe it's just because Polemarchus was killed... Anyway, Thras doesn't remind me of Neil at all... nor had I any desire to enter this discussion, but the word "bigotry" pushed some buttons. Harriet (will go off and get weepy about awful death of that nice Polemarchus instead) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 20:36:48 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] Re: Drink colours Message-ID: <199805102037_MC2-3C8A-78@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Julie Horner said: >I would like to set it on record that one >should never ever under any circumstances >drink anything blue. I did once, a long time ago... I used to drink a sweet and rather pleasant cocktail called a Blue Hawaii (or Hawaii Blue), which was particularly good if you were given a little plastic mermaid to perch on the rim of the glass. But then Sweeney Todd's had a fire and all the mermaids disappeared, and after that they gave me little plastic animals which didn't seem to strike the same note. Rambling ever further away from the point. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 98 01:47:00 GMT From: s.thompson8@genie.geis.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: B7-B5 links Message-Id: <199805110206.CAA10980@rock103.genie.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I thought of another possible refrence, or at least a similarity: the floating cameras, and the numerous sly digs at television in general and Trek in particular, reminiscent of Deathwatch. Jenni, the scene with Garibaldi wrapped in plastic is in Season Four, I'm afraid. And you don't see all that much, due to light reflecting off the plastic. But the idea's the important thing... :) Sarah T. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:49:31 +1200 From: Nicola Collie To: B7-list Subject: [B7L] Re: B7-B5 links (very minor S4 plastic ref) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sarah T: >Jenni, the scene with Garibaldi wrapped in plastic is in Season Four, I'm >afraid. And you don't see all that much, due to light reflecting off the >plastic. But the idea's the important thing... :) Oooooh, yeah! I was already a closet Garibaldi-fancier, but that ep brought me galloping out ;-) Re spoilers: Narrelle's comments strike a real chord with me. One of my acquaintances is a B5 freak, has to know _everything_ that's going to happen. She's on a bunch of different lists, surfs all the web sites, reads all the groups. Me, I'm completely different - I don't want to know a thing about what's coming up. I just want to see the story unfold the way JMS intended. We in NZ have seen up to the end of S4, and we're currently badgering TVNZ to buy S5, dammit. I don't know why they have to wait until all the eps have been made. It's not as if US viewers have to :-( ttfn, Nicola --- Nicola Collie Dunedin, New Zealand nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz The early bird catches the worm. If you'd prefer something else for breakfast, get up later. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 14:02:44 +1000 (EST) From: Lisa Darby To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re B5-B7 Message-Id: <199805110402.OAA05440@anugpo.anu.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:29 PM 10/05/98 +1000, Narelle wrote: >Thank you to those who put spoiler warnings on their postings regarding >Babylon 5... > >Could others try to do the same? I know it's a bit difficult to tell when >something is going to be a spoiler, but remember that Australia (and maybe >Britain?) are a long way behind the US - in Oz we're only part way through >series 4. The Voice of the Resistance has only just gone on-line in the >last episode, if that's any help. That is if you're talking about southern Australia! In the Territory, to the best of my knowledge, it has not been shown at all. We've just come back to Darwin after three years in Alice Springs so perhaps it has been on in Darwin but if it was on in Alice then it was too late at night for me to see it. Anyway this list has got me intrigued now and I wouldn't mind seeing it now but I guess with the state of television up here I've got Buckley's!!!! A deprived Territorian Lisa Lisa Darby Librarian North Australia Research Unit PO Box 41321 Casuarina NT 0811 Australia lisa.darby@anu.edu.au Ph : +61 8 89220031 Fax : +61 8 89220055 http://online.anu.edu.au/naru/welcome.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 22:43:21 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] Red Rose Con Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Julia is going over to the USA and has offered to carry back US zine orders to help peple save on the postage. If you're going to Red Rose, you can collect them there. If you have any requests, please let me know quickly and I'll sort it all out. The exact price cannot be predicted, but it's likely to be one or two pounds below the normal UK price. Judith PS. Red Rose is a UK multi-media slash con. More details can be found under 'conventions' on my web page. -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #136 **************************************