From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #154 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/154 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 154 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Re: Warlord [B7L] other than Avon Re: [B7L] Warlord Re: [B7L] Warlord [B7L] The tape saga continueth... [B7L] Help sought in selecting the Babylon XI for cricket match [B7L] (Fwd) request for help (fwd) Re: [B7L] Invasion Earth Re: [B7L] Invasion Earth [B7L] Lost in Space Re: [B7L] UK Gold June [B7L] New zines [B7L] 'Games' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 14:45:15 +1000 From: Bill Billingsley To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Warlord Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980601144515.00689c94@rabbit> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 00:14 1/06/98 Deborah wrote: >5) The more I watch this episode, the better I like it. Servalan at her most >cunning, Zukan with his regrets and what-if -I'd thrown-in-with-Avon, the >Betafarl chase scene, the overall plotline was well done. Just took a bit to >get past the hairdos... > except that the Betaphal scenes proved without a doubt that Federation soldiers are required to have an IQ in the single digits -- trying to stake a man down into sand?? Hadn't they read their megalomaniac's handbook -- if you're going to shoot the prisoner just shoot him, don't tie him up and then turn your back for a moment to see if he kills you first... But Soolin's quick betrayal of Avon was wonderful! -------------------------------------------------------- The Loch Mess Monster (occasionally mistaken as Bill Billingsley) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 14:57:02 +1000 From: Bill Billingsley To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] other than Avon Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980601145702.00689c94@rabbit> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Question for the day... What do you think would have been the outcome if anyone other than Avon had taken over the Liberator after Star One? Vila... Find a smallish out-of-the way planet with a vicous government, overthrow it and live the rest of life as a benign dictator Tarrant... piracy Dayna everyone gets killed in a mass attack on Servalan's headquarters Soolin Would probably have tried to get rid of Servalan, but only so she could have her job. Cally would probably have tried to continue the revolution without Blake, but more passively. Probably the most likely to do anything meaningful. -------------------------------------------------------- The Loch Mess Monster (occasionally mistaken as Bill Billingsley) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 17:29:36 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Warlord Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Sun 31 May, Ophelia wrote: > I have another Warlord question - *why* the zombies on the escalator? Why > were they being killed? And why drugged first? It may be the equivalent of > of handing them soap and a towel and telling them they're going to be > de-loused - thus proving that sci fi can only equal the horrors humans are > capable of, not exceeding them - but it seems an inefficient use of resources. > Why program people two seconds away from being corpses? Especially in > comparison to the efficiency the Federation showed in, say, Countdown. I've several possible takes on this. If I recall correctly, Pylene 50 was often introduced via the water supply, so whole populations would be drugged at a go. Let's assume that the entire planet was drugged. The question then is why these particular people were being shot. 1. (and watching the troopers, I half believe it.) They were bored and just did it for fun. These drugged zombies simply didn't mean anything to them. 2. There had been a grain failure or similar and famine threatened, The simplest solution was to remove some excess workers. 3. They were members of some religious or political minority and somebody in power took the chance to remove them while nobody was capable of intervening. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:10:34 +0100 From: "Dangermouse" To: "Ophelia" , "B7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Warlord Message-Id: <199806010822.JAA23675@gnasher.sol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ophelia wrote: > I thought that Avon was suggesting that > Zeeona felt it was her responsibility to take on any > *danger* in repairing the damage her father had > done, and that Tarrant would insist on the same in > her position. When I think of it like that, her act in > removing the glove seems illogical. It looks to me very much like the writer suddenly realised that he'd forgotten to write her out, and did it in a hurry... > I have another Warlord question - *why* > the zombies on the escalator? Why > were they being killed? Bad writing pure and simple - the most simplistic possible attempt to show that the Federation is "evil". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:20:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Una McCormack To: Lysator cc: Space City Subject: [B7L] The tape saga continueth... Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, this is where we are with the damn releases at the moment. Last week my pay cheque hit my account running, so I sped out to get the latest release. Lo and be-bloody-hold, if it isn't now *totally* impossible to buy the non-shiny covers. I asked the nice woman in Heffers to find out whether this was going to be the case from hereon, and she offered to call the distributors and call me back. Message next day: the distributors haven't heard anything about non-shiny, shiny, collectors' or non-collectors' editions. I ring Heffers again. The not-even slightly helpful man suggests that I call Fabulous Films direct and find out what's happening. Rang Fabulous this morning. The nicer man was helpful. The shiny covers are for *season 1* only, and they will be stopping them after the next 2 releases. From then on it's non-shiny all the way. He helpfully offers to send me non-shiny covers for any shiny ones I'm forced to buy. Moral: never give up, even at the risk of being thought *completely* retentive. I'll tell you what I want, what I really, really want... Una -------------------------------------------------------------------------- A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Judge Institute of Management Studies Tel: +44 (0)1223 766064 Trumpington Street Fax: +44 (0)1223 339701 Cambridge CB2 1AG http://www.sticklebrock.demon.co.uk/una United Kingdom http://www.jims.cam.ac.uk/research/ion/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:17:13 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" Subject: [B7L] Help sought in selecting the Babylon XI for cricket match Message-ID: <199806010717_MC2-3EC7-639B@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Some of those present will remember that in September-October 1996, with the help and advice of this list, I set up the Blake's XI to play the Federation in a private cricket match (well, Owzthat actually) during Who's 7. The resulting game, which the Federation won by three wickets, was written up by Chris Blenkarn and can now be read in... remind me which zine, Chris, I keep meaning to buy it... Judith has suggested that the team should reassemble at Redemption, but that, as it's a joint con, they should play the Babylon XI. Which is probably right but, as I'm not a Babylon 5 expert, I would like to consult those who are on the best roles for the Babylon team members. Indeed, we have to narrow them down to a First XI (and 12th man). I think they must include Sinclair, Sheridan, Delenn, Mollari, G'Kar, Kosh, Ivanova and Garibaldi. Plus three out of Talia and/or Lyta, Marcus (well, he must have played cricket, mustn't he?), Lennier, Stephen (or could he be the physio?), Lochley, Vir, anyone else terribly obvious whom I've forgotten (given that there are so many more regulars than in B7, I think we must keep to residents of the station, not invite guests like Bester). Remember the 12th man. Is Sinclair captain and Sheridan vice-captain? We could have one umpire from B7 and one from B5, or pick them from a different universe (also the referee). Not very clear so far about who does what, though I have a vague notion Kosh is the wicket-keeper. Something to do with the protective clothing, I think. G'Kar is a hard-hitting batsman, possibly at No. 4, possibly opening with Mollari. Ivanova probably bowls quite fast. But I haven't got much more in mind yet, so I'd be grateful for suggestions. OK, it's not until February, but there's no time like the present... Blake's XI, whose composition is no longer open to negotiation, as they have already proved themselves (apart from the unfortunate accident of losing) in one match, is as follows: 1: Tarrant (RHB, occ RM) (batted a bit like Jayasuriya at Who's 7 - three sixes in the opening over) 2: Jenna (RHB, occ OB) (made a very classy century) 3: Zen (LHB) (the only one calm enough to tackle the problem spot of No. 3) 4: Blake (captain) (RHB, RM) (a first-ball duck, but picked up three wickets in three overs with his military medium) 5: Gan (RHB, RM) (batted very steadily) 6: Avon (LHB, RFM) (had Bartolomew stumped, but incredulous when he was given out lbw to her) 7: Orac ( RHB, WK) (sledged the opposing batsmen and made an unorthodox but brilliant hundred) 8: Soolin (RHB, LF) (bowled very fast) 9: Dayna (RHB, RFM) (her new-ball partner, who was especially pleased to dismiss Servalan) 10: Cally (LHB, LBG) (leg-spin savaged by Servalan, but had Jarvik caught in the deep trying to slog) 11: Vila (RHB, SLA) (whose many-times-great-grandmother once met Phil Tufnell in a bar) 12th man: Slave (don't remember him being called upon, but someone suggested he was Steve Barwick) Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:35:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Una McCormack To: James Anderson <94jha@eng.cam.ac.uk>, Dave Green , Donal McCormack <113130.2615@compuserve.com>, Ian Griffiths , Kevin and Fliss Davies <113300.754@compuserve.com>, Mark Pryor , Matthew Adams , Niall McCormack , Nuala McCormack <113112.2071@compuserve.com>, Rachel Smellie , Simon Watts cc: Lysator , Space City Subject: [B7L] (Fwd) request for help (fwd) Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I hope that you can help. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 12:17:13 +0000 From: Jane Milburn To: umm10@cam.ac.uk, eld23@eng.cam.ac.uk, jgg@eng.cam.ac.uk, ahw20@cam.ac.uk, nmc21@cam.ac.uk Subject: (Fwd) request for help Emma is one of my friends from college. Please help if you can spare the time. Thank you. Jane > >Dear all, > >As some of you know, two weeks ago my brother was jailed for >five years in Burma. He was convicted for illegally entering Burma, >but the real reason he was given the harshest sentence possible was >that he was (peacefully) protesting for human rights when he was >arrested. Since being arrested he has been very badly mistreated, and >is now being held in truly horrendous prison conditions.The British >High Commission in Rangoon have been quite good, but we think >more can be done for him. He has about two and a half months to >appeal, and we want to persuade the Foreign Office to intervene >directly and do whatever can be done to reduce James's sentence >or have him deported. This email is to ask you, and as many family >and friends as you can muster (or groups you can email), to write >to Robin Cook and ask that the Britsh Government intervene on >James's behalf. The address is: > >Downing St. West, >London, SW1A 2AC. > >I have put a few points below that might help, and would be immensely >grateful if you would write. > >If anyone would like to know more about conditions in Burma, and the >issues that James was fighting for, just a couple of web pages are: > >http://sunsite.unc.edu/freeburma/ >http://danenet.wicip.org/fbc/ > >Many thanks, > >Emma > > >- His name is James Mawdsley and he is 25 years old >- He was peacefully protesting when he was arrested (there were > baseless press rumours that he was a mercenary and/or terrorist) >- His conviction was 'fair' in that he did illegally enter the > country, but under 'normal' conditions he could have expected 6 > months or a year. The five year sentence is a direct result of his > pro-democracy campaigning. >- There is no reason why the British Government can't intervene > to ask for clemency. > >If you have any questions at all, please do email or call me. > > >Dr. Emma Mawdsley >Department of Geography >Science Laboratories >South Road >Durham, DH1 3LE >Tel: 0191 374 1138 >Email: e.e.mawdsley@durham.ac.uk > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:18:21 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Invasion Earth Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Sun 31 May, Alison Page wrote: > Boo hiss. Everyone's being horrid about Invasion Earth. And I don't think > it's that bad. Admittedly the romantic leads are rather painful - but > aren't they always? > > For me Anton Lesser just makes the whole show. I think he's absolutely > marvelous, I've always liked him as an actor anyway. Unfortunately the > other day it looked like he might be written out the series, which would > admittedly be a blow. Anton Lesser was the main reason I kept watching. A very good actor. I'm all in favour of killing the occasional character for dramatic reasons, but did they have to choose the only one I liked? (I suppose he might have survived, but the odds didn't look good and he's not on next week's cast list.) I hope the series gets good ratings, but that's purely and simply because I want the BBC to do more new SF in the future. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:53:19 +0100 From: "Heather Smith" To: "Lysator List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Invasion Earth Message-ID: <007401bd8d86$2a22cde0$623263c3@smith99> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Judith wrote: >I'm all in favour of killing the occasional character for dramatic reasons, but >did they have to choose the only one I liked? Heather. Now u know how Gan fans feel :-) 'There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish' -The fourth Doctor ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 19:51:32 +0000 From: jim.bartlett@bbc.co.uk To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Lost in Space Message-ID: <83F7723581D13A7C%83F7723581D13A7C@c2-smtp.radio.bbc.co.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I've just got hold of next week's Radio Times, and Lost in Space on the 12th is indeed the Blake's 7 edition. (But it's a Friday, Judith.) "The series in which avid sci-fi fans talk about the shows and characters that have changed their lives concludes with the continuing story of Blake's 7." (Does that help, captjohns?) Cheers, Jim Bartlett ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:26:40 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Jeroen J. Kwast" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se (mailing list) Subject: Re: [B7L] UK Gold June Message-Id: <199806012026.WAA15355@pampus.gns.getronics.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Jacqueline said: > > > > > > > Amen to that. I told a collegue of mine about the reruns on UK Gold and we > both felt >that TV10 (the dutch version of UK Gold) should learn from their > example. The last time >a B7 episode was aired in Holland about 14 years ago. > Since then we've had to make do >with tapes and memories. The only SF series on > TV10 is Star Trek, which is nice, but >not nearly enough. > > So let's go and nag them about it. Go to: > > http://www.tv10.nl/site/mail.htm > > Perhaps if they get enough requests, well, you never know. > > Hanneke > I send a few hundred e-mails (with different headers! :)) to them to start showing "A dream of Jeannie" again and they did a few months later!!! so I tried it with Blakes 7 too offcourse@ but I got a e-mail back that Blake 7 was a science ficiuon series and that was not in their programming or something. Since they do startrek now I might do it again? Jeroen PS: Mind you they stopped I dream of jeannie about half of the episode list!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 98 04:07:00 GMT From: s.thompson8@genie.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: space-city%world.std.com%inet#@genie.com Subject: [B7L] New zines Message-Id: <199806020436.EAA08824@rock103.genie.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" For anyone who maintains electronic versions of the zine lists, here are all the goodies that debuted at MediaWest. Together with all the zines that came out in time for Deliverance, we have quite a good crop already, and the year is by no means over. And since the very first B7 zines (Liberator #1, Spacefall #1, and Alternative Seven #1, I think-- do any of you oldtime fans remember?) were published fairly soon after the show first aired, it's the 20th anniversary of B7 fan fiction as well as of the show itself. Happy anniversary to all of us! All-B7 gen THE SEVEN LIVE ON #11 (US, 1998.5) SOUTHERN SEVEN #11 (US, 1998.5) SOUTHERN SEVEN #12 (US, 1998.5) [Hellhound Book IX (Katrina Larkin and Susanne Katz) included in SOUTHERN SEVEN #12] All-B7 erotica COMA AVON NIGHTS or Kiss of the Avon Lady (novella by Willa Shakespeare; slash and adult; humor; US, 1998) FIRE AND ICE #4 (slash, all A/B; US, 1998.5) LIBERATOR FANTASIES (slash; US, 1998) Multimedia erotica including B7 stories DIVERSE DOINGS #2 (slash; US, 1998) REVELATIONS #1 (Highlander zine with a B7 crossover story; slash; US, 1998.4) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:31:09 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] 'Games' Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I've uploaded a set of photos of Winspit quarry where 'Games' was filmed. There's a set of pictures as the quarry is now (remarkably unchaged) and pictures from 'Games' and 'Destiny of the Daleks' showing some of the same locations when peopled by the BBC. See the tardis land on the exact spot where Scorpio's crew teleported down! (see what's there now...) Click on the button labelled 'Essays' to find the right part of the site. Judith PS. There's also updates to various other bits of the site. -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #154 **************************************