From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #16 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/16 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 16 Today's Topics: Re:[B7L]Beards and Chests Re:[B7L]Grace RE: [B7L] No Josette or Glynis? RE: [B7L] Avon's pet RE: [B7L] Slash debate Re: [B7L] editing on Volcano/DotG tape? [B7L] Re: Beards (Now greying, hairy chests) [B7L] Re: Blake's chrisma, Tyce's presence, and so on [B7L] Re: Neil's article and fan fiction RE: [B7L] Slash debate RE: [B7L] Avon's pet Fwd: [B7L] Blake's Charisma Re: [B7L] No Josette or Glynis? [B7L] Sevenfold Crown Re: [B7L] London drink [B7L] travelling B7 fan... Re: [B7L] Re: Beards (Now greying, hairy chests) Re: [B7L] Slash debate RE: [B7L] Get into the pay per call industry for FREE [B7L] Re: Tyce's presence, and so on RE: [B7L] No Josette or Glynis? Re:[B7L]Grace RE: [B7L] Liberator RE: [B7L] Sevenfold Crown RE: [B7L] Attack of the Claypit People Re: [B7L] Re: Beards [B7L] Tyce Sarkoff, Charisma Re: [B7L] The Way Back 4/4 Re: [B7L] Sevenfold Crown Re: [B7L] editing on Volcano/DotG tape? Re: [B7L]Oi page [B7L] South Park Liberator (pt. 2) Re: [B7L] London drink Re: [B7L] South Park Liberator (pt. 2) Re: [B7L] South Park Liberator (pt. 2) RE:[B7L] :Beards (was Upcoming excitment) re:[B7L]: Beards & the Silly Season ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:18:26 -0800 From: "J. I. Horner" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re:[B7L]Beards and Chests Message-ID: <34C15862.1AD0@dial.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harriet wrote : < Oh, no, I draw the line at hairy chests. Facial hair good, chest hair horrible. No offence meant. > It's a question of degree surely, great big woolly rugs repel, completely bald are not very cuddly - but a nice manly covering - oh yes. Julie Horner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:26:08 -0800 From: "J. I. Horner" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re:[B7L]Grace Message-ID: <34C15A30.5D18@dial.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congratulations Grace! I got two questions posted but alas I will be buying the tapes myself. Actually I think anyone who managed to get in and post a question at all deserves a pat on the back for sheer determination - either that or I am just a bit dense. I found the beeb Oi page very difficult to navigate around, very slow and rather unreliable. On the day of the chat I missed the first five minutes because the pesky thing would not log me in for Java script even though my environment sounded compatible. Anyway, it was worth the effort - quite enjoyable and I enjoyed everyone elses questions. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:04:44 -0000 From: Louise Rutter To: "'B7 Lysator'" Subject: RE: [B7L] No Josette or Glynis? Message-ID: <01BD2372.55ED4960@host5-99-57-79.btinternet.com> Tom here. Matt asked: >I was wondering why neither Josette Simon or Glynis Brber lent their >voice talents to the recent Blake's 7 audio play(the name escapes me at >the moment). Well, Josette Simon now hates anything to do with B7. She considers herself to be far too good an actress to admit to having done children's scifi, and wants nothing to do with the show. Doesn't stop her doing crap TV to pay the rent, of course ("Bodyguards", in case you're wondering). And I don't know how Glynis feels about B7 these days, but she lives in America now, and I don't think the BBC pays enough to fly her over just for a one-off radio play. >Also is the Angela Bruce who does Dayna's voice in the play >the same Angela Bruce who played Deb Lister in the "Parallel Universe" >episode of Red Dwarf and Brigadier Bambera in the "Battlefield" episode >of Doctor Who? Er... probably. No reason to suppose the BBC knows more than one Angela Bruce. And her voice is not too dissimilar to Dayna's. And she is black (not that it means anything on radio, but you know how rigorously scientific and free of bias casting is...). Tom Forsyth. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:03:25 -0000 From: Louise Rutter To: "'B7 Lysator'" Subject: RE: [B7L] Avon's pet Message-ID: <01BD2372.4A3D09C0@host5-99-57-79.btinternet.com> Tom here. Julie Horner wrote: >I can easily see Avon with a tortoise. Its a practical pet for a space >ship as it does not make much mess and needs little exercise. Also I >would have thought the air of quiet reflective wisdom would appeal to >Avon. I'd not realised how excellent tortoises were until I saw someone on TV who owned one. The best point about them is - when you want to move them, you just pick them up & put them under your arm, and they can't run away! Superb. Cats wriggle, dogs are generally hard to lift up, and goldfish don't really need to be moved, but a tortoise is great. And you can use them for doorstops and paperweights as well. Avon wouldn't have a reat pet, of course. He'd have Muffit, from Battlestar Galactica. With a few modifications, of course. You don't think my computers are as-shipped-from-the-factory do you? Tom Forsyth. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:46:02 -0000 From: Louise Rutter To: "'B7 Lysator'" Subject: RE: [B7L] Slash debate Message-ID: <01BD2372.619D8900@host5-99-57-79.btinternet.com> Pat Patera listed a few greats: >I tend to find this true in commercial fiction as well. Men tend to >write more exciting action plots, but I seldom care whether the >characters survive or not. Women tend to write characters I care about, >but the excitement often isn't there. A few great writers can handle >both: JRR Tolkien (Lord of the Rings, Barbara Hambly (most all her >fantasy books), Mary Stuart (the Merlin Trilogy). I'm intrigued. Would people like Steven Donaldson fit the bill. OK, his most charactersome books are actually fantasy (the Mordant series and the Thomas Coventant bitrilogy), but the latest "Gap" series is SF (though nicked from fantasy). >And thanks Sarah for the fine statistics on how many men write fanfic - >slash or gen. About what I would have guessed. Tho I've never quite >understood why. The series fans write about are all action-based plots. Yes, I would have expected more men as well, though even a cursory dip into the fandom makes it obvious that this is not so. I suspect the fanfic stats also exaggerate the problem - I would guess that an even lower percentage of men in fandom actually write, compared to the women. Something to do with being shy / macho perfectionist, maybe? Tom Forsyth. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:48:21 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] editing on Volcano/DotG tape? Message-ID: In message <199801170217.NAA20637@magna.com.au>, Gordon Burgess & Carol Mason writes > >>At 09:11 AM 1/16/98 -0500, you wrote: >>> Someone just asked me this and [begin agonized overacting] >>>I can't remember! [end angst] >>> >>> Have the episodes "Volcano" and "Dawn of the Gods" been cut >>>on the professional tapes? The box doesn't have the usual "unedited" >>>banner in the corner. > >Hi, it must have only been printed on some cover boxes as my copy ( >Australian ) does not have it printed on at all. I Know as our copies are >not uncut, I suppose you could look at the running time, you might be able >to work our from that if any tapes have been cut. Some of the cuts are very brief. Spacefall (which I think is the only one the BBC officially admits to cutting) had only a few seconds cut - the scene where Avon is fighting with the computer technician, and boxes his ears. I *know* "Rescue is both cut and re-edited, in spite of the flash on the box, because I've seen an off-air tape from the version broadcast in Australia many years ago, and the version broadcast on UK Gold recently. The version of the official tape is poorer, IMHO. The stated length is what you'd expect for an uncut version. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:42:52 EST From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Beards (Now greying, hairy chests) Message-ID: <19980117.103808.8935.0.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com> Alex wrote: And, according to people I've spoken to, I can expect my chest hair to turn gray as I age. Well, at least I know what to buy myself on my 30th birthday (coming up in a few months!): a hair electrolysis kit. Don't bother, they don't work that well. And grey chest hair is just as sexy as grey head hair. Penny _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:42:52 EST From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Blake's chrisma, Tyce's presence, and so on Message-ID: <19980117.103808.8935.1.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com> I love Blake. He is mixed up and vulnerable. He trusts people and expects them to do their best. He has confidence in them when they do not have it in themselves. He rally's them through emotion and a sense of right. He helps them understand just what the Federation has done to their race by taking them to places which need their help to be liberated. He smiles, pats them on the back and says thank you. And yes, he has charisma. Jenna is lulled by it. She often argues with him, but she is ( I feel) his staunchest supporter. Gan needs him. Vila likes him. Cally chooses him. And most of all, Avon follows him. And Tyce...well, I liked her as a character, but not really as a person. I didn't think she was particularly beautiful, but she was sassy and full of spirit, if not spite. I detested that leer she tossed to Blake at the end of the program. Nothing like a woman who hasn't seen a real man in who know's how long. Penny _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:42:52 EST From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Neil's article and fan fiction Message-ID: <19980117.103808.8935.2.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com> I agree with Neil to some extent, being both a writer (still quite a novice) and a fan. I have read very little fan fic compared to most of you here, but I'd have to say that I see fan fic as continuing the dream or fulfilling story lines and/or questions that the series leaves us with. Some are well written, constructed sagas, others are not. I suppose what you are personally looking for in your own fulfillment department will dictate your reasons for liking or disliking it. John Paxton Sherrif wrote a wonderful book called, "Practical Short Story Writing" which is an excellent, succinct source of how to construct a good short story. I highly recommend it to anyone who wants to improve their form and fashion. It is Available in the UK, but I had to special order it here in the US. NO, it is not available from Amazon.com. Also, I have posted before that I consider one aspect of a really good TV series that of having wonderful guest characters/performers. Blake's 7 has it. The X files has it, though I have quit watching that series because it is too predictable for me. Neil said fan fic has few of these memorable characters. He may be right, I don't know. John Paxton Sherrif has said that minor characters need to be as outlandish and memorable as possible, since they appear less than the main characters and still have much to do with the plot. I again refer you to his book for some great guidelines on how to create such characters. Peace, Penny _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:52:34 -0500 From: Susan Beth To: blake7@lysator.liu.se Subject: RE: [B7L] Slash debate Message-Id: <3.0.4.32.19980117135234.006a5c64@world.std.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Louise Rutter, no, Tom wrote: >Yes, I would have expected more men as well, though even a cursory dip into >the fandom makes it obvious that this is not so. I suspect the fanfic stats >also exaggerate the problem - I would guess that an even lower percentage >of men in fandom actually write, compared to the women. Something to do >with being shy / macho perfectionist, maybe? Or more of that generalization-with-an-underlying-truth that men are better at math/science, women at verbal skills? And writing is definitely a verbal skill. Susan Beth (sbs@world.std.com) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:00:30 -0500 From: Susan Beth To: blake7@lysator.liu.se Subject: RE: [B7L] Avon's pet Message-Id: <3.0.4.32.19980117140030.0068d038@world.std.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Tom F. wrote: >Avon wouldn't have a reat pet, of course. He'd have Muffit, from Battlestar >Galactica. With a few modifications, of course. You don't think my >computers are as-shipped-from-the-factory do you? Actually, I don't see Avon with a pet at all -- he'd claim not to see the point of keeping something to deliver emotional satisfaction only. What I *do* think he'd be likely to do is develop a very, very complex computer doppelganger for himself. You know, one that would answer the "phone" and deal with 80% plus of calls that he would consider wastes of his time: "No, I do not want to subscribe to Computer Development monthly." (I already hacked myself a lifetime subscription.) "No, I do not want to invest in titanium mines in the asteroid belt." (Like I would be stupid enough to hand over MY money to cold-calling scam artists.) "No, I don't want to answer your survey." (My time and opinions are valuable -- if you want them, you'll have to pay for them.) "No, I do not want to buy a raffle ticket to support Little League Fling Ball." (Hey, the bastards never picked *me* for their team, I should help them???) and so on.... Susan Beth (sbs@world.std.com) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:04:52 EST From: E van Looy To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Fwd: [B7L] Blake's Charisma Message-ID: <34fbfeef.34c100d6@aol.com> Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_885063892_boundary" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_885063892_boundary Content-ID: <0_885063892@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Judith wrote: >On Wed 14 Jan, Pat Patera wrote: >> Charisma is a strange thing. It's also called "star quality." And no, >> alas, Blake does not have it. >The way that we judge charisma is inevitably affected by the reactions of >others and if the rest of the crew are seen as largely unaffected, then the >impact on us will be correspondingly reduced. Hmm, I don't know. For me he is someone who was always very much present even when not saying or doing anything, and he seemed to have the same effect on the others. Hell, he wasn't even there for two seasons but they still talked about him practically every episode. Elise --part0_885063892_boundary Content-ID: <0_885063892@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: E van Looy Return-path: To: Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: [B7L] Blake's Charisma Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:02:53 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Judith wrote: >On Wed 14 Jan, Pat Patera wrote: >> Charisma is a strange thing. It's also called "star quality." And no, >> alas, Blake does not have it. >The way that we judge charisma is inevitably affected by the reactions of >others and if the rest of the crew are seen as largely unaffected, then the >impact on us will be correspondingly reduced. Hmm, I don't know. For me he is someone who was always very much present even when not saying or doing anything, and he seemed to have the same effect on the others. Hell, he wasn't even there for two seasons but they still talked about him practically every episode. Elise --part0_885063892_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:34:39 -0600 From: "Lorna B." To: "'B7 Lysator'" Subject: Re: [B7L] No Josette or Glynis? Message-Id: <199801171935.NAA04717@pemberton.magnolia.net> Tom wrote: >Well, Josette Simon now hates anything to do with B7. She considers > herself >to be far too good an actress to admit to having done children's scifi, and >wants nothing to do with the show. Doesn't stop her doing crap TV to pay >the rent, of course ("Bodyguards", in case you're wondering). This seems rather strong to me. Is there something you can quote where she says these things? And I believe most actors do "crap TV" (or theatre, or movies) to pay the rent--this is their job, it's what they do, and good roles that do come along are the equivalent of a cash bonus. I don't expect any of them to starve in order to satisfy my sense of aesthetics. I have to think we often forget that B7 really isn't that special to non-fans, and I'm reasonably certain that it was just another job to a lot of actors who appeared on it. I certainly can't fault them for that at all. I love the show, but I don't lose any sleep over someone *not* liking it. Lorna B. "You ever flown a flying saucer? After that, sex seems trite." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:40:00 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] Sevenfold Crown Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Some script writers make the worst of fan writers look good. Was I imagining it when the king didn't use the powers of the crown to prevent it from being stolen from him, when Servalan didn't use the power of her stone to neutralise a gun and when Avon didn't use the power of the crown to get his own way when his crew threatened to use weapons against him? These items were supposed to be able to prevent guns firing - Servalan does this initially. So why do the owners suddenly forget these abilities when the plot requires it? And as for Servalan forgetting to remove Tarrant's teleport bracelet - words fail me. I've got to listen again to be sure whether I actually heard Servalan order 'Bring me up' in a context that implied a teleport. I hope I imagined it. The Federation don't have the teleport. Ah well, there were some good bits, and the acting at least was upto scratch. The cast did a remarkably good job with the script and it was good to hear them again. Orac was in top form, Avon was mean and Vila was nervous. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 06:46:03 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: William Billingsley To: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, space-city@world.std.com Subject: Re: [B7L] London drink Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 17 Jan 1998 STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk wrote: > We haven't a drink in Pages bar (the sci-fi bar) in London for a > while. Anyone fancy changing this on Saturday Feb 7? The > reason I'm suggesting that date is there is also a sci-fi fair in > London that day. This is at Westminster Central Hall, Storey's > Gate and is a short walk from Pages. These fairs are basically > just giant dealer halls (170 tables). It runs from 11 to 4, time > then for something to eat and off to Pages for the evening. Drop > us a line if you are coming. > Count me in! only... where is Pages Bar? (I live in Australia, but it just so happens I'll be in London that day!) Bye for now Bill. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 06:58:14 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: William Billingsley To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se cc: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] travelling B7 fan... Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ah, my email still works after all... I'm overseas at the moment, travelling through LA, San Francisco, Phoenix, Houston and NY, and I was wondering if any Blake's or generalised sf stuff is going on in any of those cities over the next two weeks (or if anyone on the list in those cities feels like going down the pub ...) This address'll probably finally expire on Feb 10 , but it should be fine til then. Bill. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 22:38:51 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Beards (Now greying, hairy chests) Message-ID: In message <19980117.103808.8935.0.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com>, penny_kjelgaard@juno.com writes >Alex wrote: > >And, according to people I've spoken to, I can expect my chest hair to >turn >gray as I age. Well, at least I know what to buy myself on my 30th >birthday >(coming up in a few months!): a hair electrolysis kit. > >Don't bother, they don't work that well. And grey chest hair is just as >sexy as grey head hair. > Perhaps we can test this theory at Deliverence by presenting Paul with a shirt. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 22:42:34 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Slash debate Message-ID: In message <3.0.4.32.19980117135234.006a5c64@world.std.com>, Susan Beth writes >Louise Rutter, no, Tom wrote: > >>Yes, I would have expected more men as well, though even a cursory dip into >>the fandom makes it obvious that this is not so. I suspect the fanfic stats >>also exaggerate the problem - I would guess that an even lower percentage >>of men in fandom actually write, compared to the women. Something to do >>with being shy / macho perfectionist, maybe? > >Or more of that generalization-with-an-underlying-truth that men are better >at math/science, women at verbal skills? And writing is definitely a >verbal skill. These verbal skills would include the skill of learning foreign languages that a century or two ago were valued a good deal more than they now, and therefore were deemed to be something that only men were really good at? -- Julia Jones (BSc Maths/Physics, in spite of attempts by various people to persuade her that girls couldn't do that sort of thing) "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:28:45 -0000 From: Louise Rutter To: "'B7 Lysator'" Subject: RE: [B7L] Get into the pay per call industry for FREE Message-ID: <01BD23A8.2E6CC4C0@host5-99-57-79.btinternet.com> Kathryn Andersen asked: >Calle! Isn't there some way for the List software to block all SPAM? Oh yes, indeed there is - only accept posts from people who are subscribed. Unfortunately, this makes life really annoying for people whose posting addresses are not the same as the address they recieve the list on. Good examples are people at university and other large institutions or companies, who while they may have a fixed email address to send stuff to, their posts may be sent from a variety of machines that change without notice, according to which is the least busy at the time, or which terminal they happened to be at. It's also a pain for people like Louise and I, who only wanted to have to download one lot of list mail (so only one of us was subscribed), but who both wanted to reply. I don't think the problem is very bad at the moment - 2 bits of spam in the last year or so? It could very easily get worse very quickly, of course. Steve then asked: >Also, this problem seems very recent and there have only been >two, I think. Can we trace how we have recently become a >target and stop it at source? Ah, poor innocent young fool! Spammers usually make this sort of process extremely difficult. It's like getting your name removed from the lists of double-glazing salesmen - absoloutely impossible, short of changing your number and going ex-directory. Also, like double-glazing salesmen's lists - once you're on one, you tend to somehow migrate to the others'. Time will tell... Tom Forsyth. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:44:02 +0000 From: Russ Massey To: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Tyce's presence, and so on Message-ID: In message <19980117.103808.8935.1.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com>, penny_kjelgaard@juno.com writes > >And Tyce...well, I liked her as a character, but not really as a person. >I didn't think she was particularly beautiful, but she was sassy and >full of spirit, if not spite. I detested that leer she tossed to Blake >at the end of the program. Nothing like a woman who hasn't seen a real >man in who know's how long. > That's a foul slur on the masculinity of Federation troopers everywhere! Tyce was the only woman on a planet with at least a section of 9 troopers (who were probably rotated every three standard months) for 7 years. Are you saying that not one of these 252 individuals was a real man? There's always one who polishes his dark visor to a sensuous sheen, or another whose overalls bag *just* that little bit less - small signals, but significant, surely. -- Russ Massey ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:51:08 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: RE: [B7L] No Josette or Glynis? Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 On Sat 17 Jan, Louise Rutter wrote: ). > > And I don't know how Glynis feels about B7 these days, but she lives in > America now, and I don't think the BBC pays enough to fly her over just for > a one-off radio play. I believe she's in the UK doing a play right now and that the play didn't leave her free for the recording date. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:48:32 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re:[B7L]Grace Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 On Sun 18 Jan, J. I. Horner wrote: > I found the beeb Oi page very difficult to navigate around, very slow and > rather unreliable. On the day of the chat I missed the first five minutes > because the pesky thing would not log me in for Java script even though > my environment sounded compatible. Tell me! I found the page to be an almighty pain. It's completely incompatible with a lot of browsers. It's so incompatible that if you don't have the right browser you can't even get to the feedback section to tell them that you have a problem! Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 01:43:09 -0000 From: Louise Rutter To: "'B7 Lysator'" Subject: RE: [B7L] Liberator Message-ID: <01BD2407.42D70240@host5-99-57-42.btinternet.com> Stephen Shaw asked: >Also what happened to the model >of the ship at the end of the 3rd season? They attacked it with a hacksaw, then tore it apart, and filmed it. Normally, the model-maker makes some smaller, cheaper versions of a ship to do explosions with (no-one notices the lack of fine detail when it's exploding), and indeed they had a variety of different-sized ones for various shots. But they used the big one - the one with solid steel struts in it, built to last. That's why they needed the hacksaw. Sinful. Tom Forsyth. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 02:54:38 -0000 From: Louise Rutter To: "'B7 Lysator'" Subject: RE: [B7L] Sevenfold Crown Message-ID: <01BD2407.4C8FB7A0@host5-99-57-42.btinternet.com> A bit of spoiler space first - I remembered just in time that some people can't get Radio 4 (e.g. non-Brits). Judith wailed: >Was I imagining it when the king didn't use the powers of the crown to >prevent it from being stolen from him, when Servalan didn't use the power of >her stone to neutralise a gun and when Avon didn't use the power of the >crown to get his own way when his crew threatened to use weapons against >him? No, you weren't. And of course there is the usual problem with telekinesis - if you can do anything useful at all, like stop the hammer of a gun going down (or whatever Scorpio guns have), then you can block the carotid arteries and easily knock someone out or kill them. You might need to block the ones round the spine as well, but only for a kill. On the other hand, it might have been that only the stone gave people TK, which would almost excuse two of the three examples (though the king could have asked his guards politely to beat them up). Not that Avon has ever needed a TP crown to control his crew, of course. >And as for Servalan forgetting to remove Tarrant's teleport bracelet - words >fail me. Am I right in thinking that nowhere in the series did anyone ever forget to do this (except when they wouldn't know what a bracelet was)? I don't recall them ever saying "Phew - lucky Servalan forgot to take our bracelets off." So if the series didn't even stoop that low... >I've got to listen again to be sure whether I actually heard Servalan order >'Bring me up' in a context that implied a teleport. I hope I imagined it. >The Federation don't have the teleport. You didn't imagine it - I heard it too and thought "ooh - is this a cunning plot where our heroes have to destroy the Federation's new transporter technology? Has Servalan managed to capture Scorpio?" Er... no. >Ah well, there were some good bits, and the acting at least was upto >scratch. The cast did a remarkably good job with the script and it was good >to hear them again. Orac was in top form, Avon was mean and Vila was >nervous. I didn't mind the new Dayna - yes, she sounds nothing like Josette, but once my mind had made the mapping Bambera->Dayna, it was happy, and Angela Bruce put the same sort of character into Dayna. The new Soolin took me ages, though - she just didn't have the same chirpy gloominess that Soolin had. Also, her voice just sounded too like Nerys Hughes (I think that's her name). It's not Paula Wilcox's fault what her voice sounds like, of course, but that image of late-middle-aged housewifeliness just doesn't say "Soolin" to me. Dodgy casting. The plot was a load of tosh, though. Take one outrageously implausible and daft Holy Grail, add in a smattering of irritating plot device complication with the power crystals and the malfunctioning teleporter, which then leads to a completely gratuitous plot device with two Avons, and as soon as that happens you can see exactly where it's leading - we have to get rid of one of them, but we can't have Avon just shoot his twin or anything - both Avons have to win in the end! Bleugh. We lost Gan for a completely meaningless reason, we lost Cally equally stupidly(*), so why can't we have one of the Avons die in an equally pointless, but believeable way, e.g. one of them stumbles on a rock and gets ventilated by the other? It would have _suprised_ me, at least. >Some script writers make the worst of fan writers look good. Amen. Another really annoying quibble, made doubly annoying by how easy it would have been to fix, was that all the wrong sound effects were used. The teleport noise was from the Liberator (AFAIR), as were the gun firing noises. Scorpio guns just went "bang", possibly with a sort of slight after-whine. These sounds were passable imitations of the "pyeeewwww" sound from the Liberator. Er... and the incidental music. The first two bars of the theme tune are repeated for bars five and six, but bars three and four are not! (it's AABBAACC, not AABBAABB as played) And I gave up any pretense at playing a musical instrument ten years ago, so it's not as if it's a subtle goof or anything. Oh well, maybe they'll do better next time. I _was_ pleased by the amount of coverage it got, though - nice to know the media still think it's worth a mention, even if it is twenty years old and this is just a one-off radio play. Tom Forsyth. * These are Good Things, by the way - I hate losing people for well thought-out reasons - it's stupid. Gritty realism is about people dying at the most random times. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:49:34 -0000 From: Louise Rutter To: "'B7 Lysator'" Subject: RE: [B7L] Attack of the Claypit People Message-ID: <01BD2407.532D7160@host5-99-57-42.btinternet.com> Elise van Looy wrote: >Ah, but that is the problem, isn't it? If it were easy to write interesting >fictional characters, why, then everyone would be doing it. They are certainly >trying, I'll grant you that but few series, books or films written and >produced by even big names are able to make up characters and plots compelling >enough to become classics, the way B7 certainly has. I think Neil would welcome any sort of characterisation at all, rather than the none that he's moaning about. Even moderately old cliches would do. Just so that you know roughly whether they're more likely to shag Avon or blow his head off. >Even something so insanely great as, say, The >Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe, has rather poorly developed characters. I don't think characterisation is what Douglas Adams had in mind, to be honest. He did try adding some characterisation in the later books, and the fans hated it. >Every now and then you come across a writer who has thought up an original >character, who just happens to be incredibly interesting and fascinating and >full of depths begging to be explored. I mostly skip those explorations and >hope the story will pick up later. Ah, well there's the problem. You've got to reveal the character through the plot, not do a potted "exploration" for a chapter, then expect us to go "cool - a well-rounded character." OK, in the sort of short stories that fen tend to write, there isn't much space for that sort of thing, but every little helps. And yes, I know the sort of thing you're talking about, and it's shocking how even in full-length novels, where there is plenty of space, people still do this. We all know about the dreaded info-dump, but what about this equally heinous "char-dump"? Tom Forsyth. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 08:54:22 -0500 (EST) From: NWOutsider To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Beards Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 penny_kjelgaard@juno.com wrote: > I didn't think Paul looked all that great, but then, he'd been tortured > for days. Gareth, on the other hand...that make-up job they did on him > in "Blake" would send me into the woods AFTER him. Me, too, but it's more the scar and all it represents than the facial fuzz. Re: Liking men with beards. Depends on the man, depends on the beard. I mean, does she know she's a beard or is he just using her, are they friends? Sue sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:04:23 -0500 (EST) From: NWOutsider To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: [B7L] Tyce Sarkoff, Charisma Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, Patti McClellan wrote: > As for my >impression that she was being offered as Sarkoff's lover [...] Patti, for what it's worth, everyone I know interprets the set up the same way--we're supposed to think, or at least consider the possibility, that Tyce and Sarkoff are lovers until she addresses him as "father" near the end. > I have no problem with Blake. I think he's very attractive >and tormented by a need to "fix" something which is probably not >fixable by a small band of outlaws. I just dont' think he's Che >Guevara. And look what happened to him-stuck in an Andrew Lloyd Webber (spit, ptooie) "musical". 8-) I totally disagree with your assessement of Blake's charisma, but more than that, I disagree with your assessemnt that you're in the minority. The bulk of fan fic and fan debate leads me to conclude that the only part of your statement that is a minority opinion is the first sentence in the above paragraph. 8-) Sue sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:11:22 -0500 (EST) From: NWOutsider To: Pat Patera cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] The Way Back 4/4 Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Pat Patera wrote: > Charisma is a strange thing. It's also called "star quality." And no, > alas, Blake does not have it. This is called "an opinion," although you've stated it as a fact, and it and 50 cents will get you a Twix bar in my neighborhood, Pat. 8-) I'm with Lisa and Jenni: Blake's got it. I'd also distinguish, as I did before, between what's going on in the series and what's going on with fans: IMO, it's obvious from the episodes that, in his universe, Blake's the star. Avon's being the star among fans doesn't change that. And it's not like it's an either/or choice, more of a both/and. Sue sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:12:04 +0100 (MET) From: gwr@easynet.co.uk (Gareth Randall) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Sevenfold Crown Message-Id: <199801181412.PAA24274@samantha.lysator.liu.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >And as for Servalan forgetting to remove Tarrant's teleport bracelet - words >fail me. Well, it *was* radio. She couldn't see that he was wearing it. If it had been a TV episode, it wouldn't have been a problem. Gareth http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~gwr ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:18:31 +0100 (MET) From: gwr@easynet.co.uk (Gareth Randall) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] editing on Volcano/DotG tape? Message-Id: <199801181418.PAA24776@samantha.lysator.liu.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Some of the cuts are very brief. Spacefall (which I think is the only >one the BBC officially admits to cutting) had only a few seconds cut - >the scene where Avon is fighting with the computer technician, and boxes >his ears. The bizarre thing about this is that the BBC's original "The Beginning" tape includes this scene, and is rated PG - as is the later Way Back/Spacefall tape, and indeed almost all of the other episodic tapes. Yet Volcano/DotG and the other one (can't remember the two eps right now) are both rated U (the UK equivalent of G). Very odd. Gareth http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~gwr ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:04:18 -0800 From: "J. I. Horner" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L]Oi page Message-ID: <34C28A72.3AF4@dial.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Judith Proctor wrote re the beeb Oi page: > Tell me! I found the page to be an almighty pain. It's completely > incompatible with a lot of browsers. It's so incompatible that if you don't > have the right browser you can't even get to the feedback section to tell > them that you have a problem! Yes! I got so incensed trying to post my questions in advance that I tried to go to the feedback page to tell them how crap it was, yet every time I attempted to access this page it crashed. On reflection, perhaps that is what they intended. Julie Horner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:21:45 -0500 (EST) From: NWOutsider To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: [B7L] South Park Liberator (pt. 2) Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII OK, upon reflection, Cartman is Avon and Kyle is Vila. Stan is still Blake and Kenny Gan ("Oh my God! They killed Kenny!") Wendy is Jenna (Stan's girlfriend), Sherry is Cally (Stan's mean older sister who beats him up), and the Mayor is Servalan. I'm not sure who Chef and Mr. Garrison could be. Come on, doesn't ANYBODY on this list watch South Park? Sue sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html "What would Brian Boitano do?" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:29:22 -0000 From: Alison Page To: Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] London drink Message-ID: <885140040.2016964.0@alisonpage.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill said - > Count me in! > > only... where is Pages Bar? (I live in Australia, but it just so happens > I'll be in London that day!) Wow - brilliant coincidence. Thanks for suggesting this Steve I shall certainly try to make it. Bill - it is Page St, which is near to the Tate Gallery. The best thing is to buy an A-Z, but roughly, you go to Lambeth bridge, walk up Horseferry Rd a few hundred yards til you meet Page St, then turn left, and it is on the next corner you come to. Hope other people can arrange to turn up too. We had a good laugh the last couple of times. At least as far as I can remember.. Alison ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 03:38:30 +1000 From: vera@c031.aone.net.au To: Subject: Re: [B7L] South Park Liberator (pt. 2) Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980119033830.22873072@mail01.mel.aone.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sue wrote: > OK, upon reflection, Cartman is Avon and Kyle is Vila. Stan >is still Blake and Kenny Gan ("Oh my God! They killed Kenny!") Wendy >is Jenna (Stan's girlfriend), Sherry is Cally (Stan's mean older sister >who beats him up), and the Mayor is Servalan. I'm not sure who Chef >and Mr. Garrison could be. > > Come on, doesn't ANYBODY on this list watch South Park? OMIGOD. That's perfect. I can just see Vila saying, "Oh my God! They killed Gan! You bastards." I've only seen two episodes of this sick puppy, but Mr Garrison is the one with the hand puppet isn't he? Doesn't that make him Travis?? Sue, you're brilliant and evil. I like that in a person. Malissa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:07:36 -0500 (EST) From: NWOutsider To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] South Park Liberator (pt. 2) Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 19 Jan 1998 vera@c031.aone.net.au wrote: > I've only seen two episodes of this sick puppy, but Mr Garrison is >the one with the hand puppet isn't he? Doesn't that make him Travis?? You're right! Maybe Chef could be Orac, since he knows everything. And Orac did have that lapse in "Sand" that's about as close to Chef's outlook as B7 gets. 8-) If Stan is Blake, I guess that makes Uncle Jimbo Ushton... Gan/Og fans can adopt Scuzzlebutt, too. > Sue, you're brilliant and evil. I like that in a person. Dude! We kick ass! Sue sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:20:38 -0800 From: Jackie To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: RE:[B7L] :Beards (was Upcoming excitment) Message-ID: <34C2AA66.3F19@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Iain Coleman wrote: > > On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, Julia Jones wrote: > > > I thought the (real) five-day beard was rather cute. Which is saying > > something, I'm not a fan of beards. Paul's one of the few men I consider > > to be sexy, rather than merely not actually repellent, when wearing a > > beard. > > Come on, now, Julia posted this a couple of days ago. Aren't any of the > women out there going to say how much they like bearded guys? > No? NO. Men with proper beards like Gareth are fine. So-called designer stubble is horrible, and males that think it soooo "cool" come across as people who cannot be bothered to shave properly (IMO). A full beard takes a lot of looking after, and is soft to touch. Designer stubble makes me cringe. Bye for now Jackie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:21:24 -0800 From: Jackie To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: re:[B7L]: Beards & the Silly Season Message-ID: <34C2AA94.2DDE@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harriet Monkhouse wrote: > > Fran wrote in support of beards, but added: > >I also like hairy chests. (On men, that is). > > Oh, no, I draw the line at hairy chests. Facial hair good, chest hair > horrible. No offence meant. > Harriet And Back hair makes me shudder!! yuuuuukkkkk Bye for now Jackie -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #16 *************************************