From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #167 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/167 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 167 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Re: fan fiction Re: [B7L] Barcode hell [B7L] 7*7 [B7L] Seven by Seven [B7L] 0111 ( 0111 ) [B7L]re: Terry Pratchet [B7L] re Terry Pratchet Re: [B7L]MORE BASTARDS!! Fwd: [B7L] Re: fan fiction [B7L] Fanzine history [B7L] Re: Barcode hell [B7L] Re: Barcode hell Re: [B7L]re: Terry Pratchet [B7L] Amish Friendship Bread [B7L] re: Terry Pratchet`s GONG Re: [B7L] Re: fan fiction [B7L] ripping wrappers [B7L] Re: Fourth Season - Why? RE: [B7L] Ref: Criminals [B7L] FW: Lost in Space (response from BBC) RE: [B7L] Ref: Criminals Re: [B7L] Lost in Space - BBC answer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:07:48 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: fan fiction Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon 15 Jun, Todd Girdler wrote: > Where can I get me some of this fan fiction What country do you live in? If you're in the USA, Linda Knights is a good starting point as she agents for most of the Blake's 7 publishers in the USA. Can't remember her web page, but it's linked from mine and her zines are listed on my page anyway. If you live in the UK, you can get zines from me, Avon or Horizon. If you live in Australia, contact Pat Fenech. Details of virtually every fanzine in print and where to buy it can be found on my web page http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:38:18 +0100 From: "Jenni -Alison" To: "Lysator List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Barcode hell Message-Id: <199806151737.TAA20012@samantha.lysator.liu.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I checked MVC and Virgin today at lunchtime, and I'm afraid that there were stickers there too - I think it's Fabulous Films sticking! Jenni ---------- > From: Judith Proctor > To: Lysator List > Subject: Re: [B7L] Barcode hell > Date: 15 June 1998 08:10 > > On Sun 14 Jun, STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk wrote: > > I'm going for the darker chocolate paper style wrappers. > > Apparently on these the barcode doesn't show up very well, so > > they stick a white barcode sticker over the original, and it looks > > ugly. Now on tapes one to four this was stuck on the outside > > plastic cover where it could be removed without too much > > trouble. But on tape five it is stuck on the inside paper cover. I > > asked the woman at HMV to remove it for me and she started > > to and then stopped saying it would, as I suspected, tear the > > paper. What I don't know is if these are stuck on by Fabulous > > Films, in which case they will all have this problem, or by the > > warehouses of the shops concerned. What have others found? > > Am I going to have any luck finding an unstickered copy? > > Can you find a suitable solvent to remove the label without damaging the paper? > > Difficult to rest non-destructively though... > > Judith > -- > http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 > > Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention > 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent > http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:41:23 +0100 From: "Alison Page" To: "space city" , "Lysator" Subject: [B7L] 7*7 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It can be a story. It can be a joke a character sketch a 'what if they were all (drinks/cars/David Bowie songs)..' a favourite bit of dialogue, if you can trim it to 49 words. You can add your name or a pseudonym or be anonymous Alison ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:40:00 +0100 From: "Alison Page" To: "space city" , "Lysator" Subject: [B7L] Seven by Seven Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 7 x 7 = 49 You can write 49 words about Blakes Seven. I am setting up a web site called seven by seven. It's going to take a little while to get going. I need at least 49 contributions or I'm not doing it. Write 49 words on B7. You can Alison ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:47:26 +0100 From: "Alison Page" To: "space city" , "Lysator" Subject: [B7L] 0111 ( 0111 ) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please pass this message on to anyone who you think might be interested. By all means post contributions to either list, or directly to me. I am perfectly happy for contributions to be gen, adult, slash or whatever you want. However the site won't be passworded or screened. Alison ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:50:32 +0100 From: Jackie To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L]re: Terry Pratchet Message-ID: <35857B08.45D3@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit fifitrix wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Julie Horner > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Date: 14 June 1998 17:54 > Subject: [B7L]terry Pratchett > > > > > > >I expect most people will have heard about Terry's gong > >by now but I just encountered this on alt.fan.pratchett > > > > > >> > For those of us who hadn't caught the ceefax article, Paul > >> > Darrow announced the good news during the final bows at > >> > tonight's performance of G!G! in Reading, to tremendous > >> > applause. Last night of the tour IIRC, but what a wonderful > >> > note to end on! > >> > > >> > > > > >Were any of you there? > > > > > >Julie Horner > > Yes and Paul Darrow kissed me afterwards > > .....just thought I'd mention that! > > fifitrix You weren`t the only girl he kissed, - he worked his way down the line!! :-> Jackie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:07:03 +0100 From: Jackie To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] re Terry Pratchet Message-ID: <35857EE7.46B9@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Jenni -Alison wrote: > > Julie Horner wrote: > > I expect most people will have heard about Terry's gong > > by now but I just encountered this on alt.fan.pratchett > > > > > > > > For those of us who hadn't caught the ceefax article, Paul > > > > Darrow announced the good news during the final bows at > > > > tonight's performance of G!G! in Reading, to tremendous > > > > applause. Last night of the tour IIRC, but what a wonderful > > > > note to end on! > > > > > > > > > > > > Were any of you there? > > > I was there! It was a fantastic last night, and Paul was wonderful. The > applause was thunderous, with yells and shouts too. The cast were all very > friendly at the stage door too! > > Jenni > I was there as well. I was the one who caught the bow when it landed on the front row. Criminal thoughts ran thru my head.... Will it fit under my coat? If I stick it down my trouser leg, will the resultant limp be too obvious? Has anyone noticed that I`ve actually got it? (Duh! it`s 3 foot long!!) Can I mug the gentleman two seats down with the arrow, so that I can have both? Reluctantly, I pushed the bow back onto the set as the lights went up. The arrow followed, also with reluctance I thought! Jackie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:39:12 +0100 From: JMR To: Subject: Re: [B7L]MORE BASTARDS!! Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980615213912.00687be4@clara.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 17:41 14/06/98 +0100, Julie Horner wrote: >Cable and Wireless - I hate them, I hate them with a passion! > >I rang Cable and Wireless to complain and was kept waiting in a queue >for 30 minutes before a depressed sounding man called Doug came on >the phone, listened to my outraged blusterings and then said someone >would call me back. I have heard no more since. I fully intend to >demand compensation - Ok nothing can really make up for the disappointment >but I just want someone to feel punished > >Has anyone else been let down like this by C&W? > >Julie Horner > Don't talk to me about Cable and Wireless, or their queues for customer service. We have now cancelled both our cable tv and cable phone line, due to their incompetence. Our dispute with them threatens to end in court. Funny, before Nynex were absorbed by them, we had no problems at all. Friends still with Cable and Wireless complain repeatedly about loss of picture. Hey ho, back to the satellite dish I go... You have my sympathies. Judith J.M. Rolls jager@clara.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:18:17 EDT From: Bizarro7@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Fwd: [B7L] Re: fan fiction Message-ID: <669b200a.35859daa@aol.com> Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_897949097_boundary" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_897949097_boundary Content-ID: <0_897949097@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Todd Asked: >Where can I get me some of this fan fiction< In America, the fastest source of lots of good Fan Fiction is generally Linda Knights at: http://www.nas.com/~lknight/web-ads/main1.html --part0_897949097_boundary Content-ID: <0_897949097@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Bizarro7@aol.com Return-path: To: toddgirdler@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: fan fiction Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:16:31 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In America, the fastest source of lots of good Fan Fiction is generally Linda Knights at: http://www.nas.com/~lknight/web-ads/main1.html --part0_897949097_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 98 01:35:00 GMT From: s.thompson8@genie.com To: space-city@world.std.com Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Fanzine history Message-Id: <199806160156.BAA09980@rock103.genie.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've been reading through an interesting book I picked up at MediaWest. It's Joan Marie Verba, =Boldly Writing: A Trekker Fan and Zine History, 1967-1987= (FTL Publications, 1996; ISBN 0- 9653575-0-3). It's exactly what it sounds like-- a year-by-year history of the first twenty years of Star Trek fandom, rather dryly written but very full and accurate. How I wish someone would do something similar for B7 fandom! But I suppose it would take someone who was in on it from the start, has saved everything, and is very detail-minded; and I'm not sure such a person exists. Do we have a Joan Marie Verba in B7, who can tell the rest of us what happened when? (In case anyone is interested in =Boldly Writing=, it can be ordered from the publisher for US $12.95 including domestic postage. The address is: FTL Publications, P.O. Box 1363, Minnetonka, MN 55345-0363.) Sarah T. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 98 01:35:00 GMT From: s.thompson8@genie.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Barcode hell Message-Id: <199806160201.CAA10285@rock103.genie.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Steve, is WD-40 or something equivalent available in Britain? This is a spray-on substance that, well, unsticks things. The labeling on the can says that it can be used to remove stick-on labels, but I've never tried it for such a purpose myself. I can testify that it works wonderfully well on locks that keys stick in, as well as other small mechanical parts that don't move as smoothly as they should. I bet Vila has something like it amongst his tools. :) Sarah T. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:45:30 +1200 From: Nicola Collie To: B7-list Subject: [B7L] Re: Barcode hell Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sarah T asked: >Steve, is WD-40 or something equivalent available in Britain? Please, please, let it be available in Britain. Item number one on my home toolkit shopping list - a can of WD-40. >This is a >spray-on substance that, well, unsticks things. The labeling on the can >says that it can be used to remove stick-on labels, but I've never tried it >for such a purpose myself. Nor I. I imagine there'd be some risk of it dissolving the ink on the label? Probably best to spray some onto a soft cloth or paper towel and rub the label off carefully, rather than splashing the stuff all over the place. >I can testify that it works wonderfully well on >locks that keys stick in, as well as other small mechanical parts that don't >move as smoothly as they should. Amen! I recently had trouble with the front door lock - had visions of the trouble being due to a worn key, endless hassles with locksmiths looming on the horizon. One wee squirt of WD-40 made it all better :-) >I bet Vila has something like it amongst his tools. :) Of course he has :-) - he knows his trade. ttfn, Nicola --- Nicola Collie Dunedin, New Zealand nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Knob (n): a thing to adore. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 23:15:37 EDT From: AChevron@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L]re: Terry Pratchet Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit For those of us not there, what is Terry's gong and/or the announcement? D. Rose ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:43:22 +0200 (MET DST) From: goodnews4u2@mailexcite.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Amish Friendship Bread Message-Id: <989.283923.534065 goodnews4u2@mailexcite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amish Friendship Bread What is it? 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Box 252134 Los Angeles, CA 90025 fd2 86 15-9 c#2 dm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:17:50 +0100 From: Jackie To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] re: Terry Pratchet`s GONG Message-ID: <35861C1E.270B@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AChevron@aol.com wrote: > > For those of us not there, what is Terry's gong and/or the announcement? D. > Rose Twice a year, at New Year, and on her birthday, the Queen issues a list of people being "honoured". They get Knighthoods (like Sir Paul McCartney, Sir Elton John, - Bob Geldof got one, but because he comes from Eire, rather than Northern Ireland, he can`t officially be called SIR, but everybody does), or they get OBEs or MBEs. The OBE`s and MBE`s are referred to as "Gongs" (the recipients get referred to as Terry Pratchet OBE, or Terry Pratchet MBE -I don`t know which medal he got!). A lot of well known people get these gongs, but so do an awful lot of *normal* people (probably a lot more than celebs, but the celebs are more well known so draw the media attention). Jackie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:02:25 +0100 From: JMR To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: fan fiction Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980616100225.006c54d0@clara.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 18:36 14/06/98 PDT, Todd Girdler wrote: >Where can I get me some of this fan fiction > >-Todd- > B7 fanzines, including fanfic, the interview zine and an amazing plethora of other wonderful goodies are available from "Horizon - The B7 Appreciation Society" (). Check out the Website, or the "Horizon" newsletter for details. Several new zines are now available. Judith J.M. Rolls ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:21:12 +0100 From: Robinson Paula To: "'Lysator List'" Subject: [B7L] ripping wrappers Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun 14 Jun, STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk wrote: > I'm going for the darker chocolate paper style wrappers. > Apparently on these the barcode doesn't show up very well, so > they stick a white barcode sticker over the original, and it looks > ugly. Now on tapes one to four this was stuck on the outside > plastic cover where it could be removed without too much > trouble. But on tape five it is stuck on the inside paper cover. I > asked the woman at HMV to remove it for me and she started > to and then stopped saying it would, as I suspected, tear the > paper. What I don't know is if these are stuck on by Fabulous > Films, in which case they will all have this problem, or by the > warehouses of the shops concerned. What have others found? > Am I going to have any luck finding an unstickered copy? Steve, Virgin in Bromley didn't do this, as I got an unsullied copy from there when it was first released. Don't know about HMV as they haven't got it in stock, and the shop staff in Bromley don't appear to be terribly interested in when/whether it might appear. Others have commented on local supply difficulties - that has been noticeable around here too. WH Smith, HMV and Woolworths have all yet to stock the fifth video in Bromley. When I ask, they all say they can order it but it may take some time. So I said no thanks, you're supposed to be a shop, not a mail order catalogue, and went to Virgin instead. Even they were a bit slow catching up with the release of 5, as some of you were talking about having bought it before I'd seen it anywhere. Paula (relurking now). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 06:20:40 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] Re: Fourth Season - Why? Message-ID: <199806160620_MC2-405E-60DC@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lindley wrote: >Even now my lassitude lingers and, >glancing up quickly, I seem to hear >her soft footfall outside my door... ...oh, sorry, I thought that was her soft football... faint bouncing noises as she dribbles down the corridor... Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:21:31 +-200 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: "blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: RE: [B7L] Ref: Criminals Message-Id: <01BD993A.7179C300@cmg71700449> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I think one of the reasons that Blake does not seem to suffer the expected stigma over his charges is that the Federation is so corrupt at this point that only the most closed-minded or sheltered individuals can ignore what is happening. Thus a " if the Federation said he did it he must be innocent" attitude. On the other hand, how often did the crew deal with outsiders who would be inclined to believe the Federation? Avalon's people wouldn't, Sarkoff might not have been aware of the exact charges( with Blake's first trial more likely to be known to him)? In Killer, the greeting he got was interesting too. Of course, this was by a first rate scientist who chose relative exile over working with the Federation, apparantly. The situation on the London is even more intriguing. True criminals rarely have a fondness for political prisoners; after all politics might change and a former prisoner may end up in charge, while the criminal lingers on. So even if they were cynical enough to not believe the charges, I'd expect that they'd use it as an excuse to abuse Blake. An Alpha, and a child abuser! The only things I can see that might have saved Blake was 1) the prisoner's sex drive were all but nulled by the suppressents and 2) Blake's clique was the biggest around. Certainly it was during this time that Gan earned his place on the Liberator, defending Blake, Jenna, and even Avon.(subthread; did Avon read Blake's protection of him via Gan et.al. as a debt he hadn't repaid, even if it were unasked for help?) After 4 months, I would expect most of the people who are around Blake eventually realize he indeed is not guilty of the crime indicated. [Jacqueline Thijsen] I've been thinking about this subject and I think the reason Blakes conviction was never an issue may be far more depressing: if a regime is as corrupt as the federation, than people need heroes who stand up to that regime. They will then simply ignore any news or even evidence of any atrocities committed by those heroes. A real-life example of this is Mrs. Mandela, who was still worshipped by her fans, no matter what the news said about her involvement with the death of Stompie Seipei. Mind me, I don't know if she actually did anything wrong. My point is that nobody cared about evidence and simply believed she was innocent. I think something very like this must have happened with Blake Bye, Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:36:41 -0500 From: Reuben Herfindahl To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" Subject: [B7L] FW: Lost in Space (response from BBC) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain Here's the response I got back from the BBC. I was really impressed they got back to me that quickly, maybe it's because it didn't have Dr. Who in the subject ;-) Reuben -----Original Message----- From: Beverley Thompson-VH [mailto:beverley.thompson@bbc.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 4:48 AM To: Reuben Herfindahl Subject: RE: Lost in Space I have registered your disappointment that the above programme was displaced due to our coverage of tennis overrunning. I am afraid that it has not been scheduled yet, so may I suggest you keep an eye on programme announcements for the most up-to-date information. Regards Viewer & Listener Correspondence ---------- From: Reuben Herfindahl To: 'vlc@bbc.co.uk' Subject: Lost in Space Date: 15 June 1998 04:35 I was rather upset that the latest installment of Lost in Space was cancelled due to Tennis. It featured a look at Blake's 7 fandom that I was rather looking forwards to seeing. Please don't cancel serious programming for Tennis again (it's a really boring spectator sport anyway). Thanks Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:52:25 +0100 (BST) From: mjsmith@tcd.ie (Murray) To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: RE: [B7L] Ref: Criminals Message-Id: <199806161352.OAA31204@dux1.tcd.ie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jacqueline Thijsen gave a very interesting reason why Blake's conviction was not an issue amongst rebels: I've been thinking about this subject and I think the reason Blakes conviction was never an issue may be far more depressing: if a regime is as corrupt as the federation, than people need heroes who stand up to that regime. They will then simply ignore any news or even evidence of any atrocities committed by those heroes. A real-life example of this is Mrs. Mandela, who was still worshipped by her fans, no matter what the news said about her involvement with the death of Stompie Seipei. Mind me, I don't know if she actually did anything wrong. My point is that nobody cared about evidence and simply believed she was innocent. I think something very like this must have happened with Blake. Well argued, Jacqueline! I don't know if you read that the same thing seems to be happening to Daniel Ortega, the former President of Nicaragua, who has been accused of sexual abuse by his stepdaughter. Instead of waiting to see what evidence there was, people have divided into two camps, depending on their political opposition to or support for him. Again, his political supporters trumpet his innocence, which is fair enough on one level (a person is innocent until proven guilty) but are also making unfair accusations against the stepdaughter, alleging she has done this for political reasons. Murray ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 21:45:45 +0100 From: "Julie Horner" To: Cc: Subject: Re: [B7L] Lost in Space - BBC answer Message-Id: <199806162043.WAA03291@samantha.lysator.liu.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: nicoline.van.den.berg@tip.nl > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Cc: space.city@world.std.com > Subject: [B7L] Lost in Space - BBC answer > Date: Monday, June 15, 1998 1:05 PM > > This is the answer I received from the BBC regarding Lost in Space. Really > helpful. *sob* > > >>I have registered your disappointment with the cancellation of the above > programme. I am afraid I am unable to give you a broadcast date at > present, so may I suggest you keep an eye on programme announcements for > the most up-to-date information. > Regards > Viewer & Listener Correspondence<< Yes - word for word the same answer that I got. Notice that the reply says nothing in it about Blake 7 - don't you get the impression that this is the standard announcement used for any programme cancellations? Julie Horner -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #167 **************************************