From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #194 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/194 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 194 Today's Topics: [B7L] The Big Question Re: [B7L] Happy endings Re: [B7L] canon firing. Re: [B7L] canon firing. [B7L] canon firing. RE: [B7L] canon firing. Re: [B7L] ADMIN: If I ever meet a spammer, I'll get violent [B7L] Good Grief is nothing private??!!! Re: [B7L] Ah, sweet love on Liberator [B7L] Oh dear! Re: [B7L] The Big Question [B7L] B7 Games [B7L] LIS B7 bits Re: [B7L] B7 Games [B7L] Re: spam ban [B7L] Re: Shopping for vids [B7L] Re: Canon fodder Re: [B7L] The Big Question RE: [B7L] Lost in space Re: [B7L] Re: Canon fodder Re: [B7L] LIS B7 bits Re: [B7L] The Big Question Re: [B7L] B7 Games Re: [B7L] B7 Games ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:47:38 -0400 From: DJ Wight To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] The Big Question Message-ID: <199807151647_MC2-533A-8D0F@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lindley/Ophelia wrote of Soolin, > I honestly think she'd have more chance of feeling > true love for someone like Vila, someone non- > threatening, fun and kind, who wouldn't have any > bad associations for her or require her to be defensive. I think Soolin and Vila could make a great couple! Her looking after the physical-security side of the relationship, him doing the emotional/care-taking side of it, and working out their means of survival as a team---either in security consulting, or professional B&E. The only thing that boggles me, would be how to get them together, to start. What could he *do*, that could make a good enough impression on her, for her to seriously consider him worth her attention/affection? --DJ angnak@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:02:02 -0700 From: Catharine Roussel To: Lysator B7 list Subject: Re: [B7L] Happy endings Message-ID: <35AD26D8.5CC5@telusplanet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ophelia wrote: > How would you say Soolin developed? To > me she dies where she started, alone, mysterious > and glorious. The way I see Soolin, she definitely did develop during the series. The young woman that is presented initially is very detached. She is a true cynic and a pessimist. Where Avon plays at being a cynic, Soolin is the master. Avon has not completely lost faith in human nature although admittedly, the incident with Anna had pushed him farther in that direction than he had ever been. I see that part of Avon's fascination with Blake is his hope that Blake can prove his cynical nature wrong. Soolin has already made up her mind about the nature of humanity however, and nothing in her past life has given her grounds to revise her opinion. She finds Vila amusing because, for all the terrible things that have happened to him, he remains an optimist--expecting the best out of life. (You mention in another post that you could see her getting together with Vila and I definitely agree with you about that for all the reasons that you gave.) In 'Power' she is withdrawn and alone. When she joins them it is strictly on a contractual basis. In 'Traitor'she tries to understand some of the dynamics of the group that she has thrown her lot in with while continuing to remain separate from the group. By 'Warlord', the detachment is truly fading. She involves herself in Tarrant and Zeeona's love life. This is far above and beyond the call of duty for a contract worker. In 'Blake' we learn more about Soolin than in all the previous 12 episodes combined. Still, she didn't trust the others with information about her past until the search for Blake forced her hand. When the time came however, she gave much more information about her personal history than was required. Had she wished to remain distant, she could have simply explained the political situation on GP as she knew it, leaving out her family history. After Dorian, it took her a long time before she could trust the group with the knowledge of her background and the emotional power over her that went along with it. I see in this speech a real move towards trust and becoming part of the group. It's too bad that it had to end so bleakly, but I suppose it was no more tragic than Soolin herself would have expected. Catharine -- Catharine Roussel croussel@telusplanet.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:13:31 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] canon firing. Message-ID: <19980716071331.00100@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Jul 15, 1998 at 11:49:52PM +0000, Roger the Shrubber wrote: > dangermouse wrote > **** > Roger the Shrubber wrote: > > > The debate about who died on GP only continues because many fans do not > > accept Afterlife as canon. Perahps someone can explain why this is so. > > Because it's amazingly badly-written crap that is a travesty of the series' > ethos? > **** > Others have voiced similar opinions, but that doesn't really convince me. > There WERE crap TV episodes, but they are canon, are they not ? Therefore > logically, quality has nothing to do with canon. IMHO, if something has the > official BBC B7 logo on it, then it's canon. Crap canon possibly (I liked the > book until the last 50 pages), but still the real thing. If Blake's Legend > got the logo, then that would be canon too. > We can all say that Animals & Harvest sucked, but they're still canon. Afterlife is not canon because it was not filmed, not on television, is a book. Same principle applies to all the Trek books, all the Star Wars books, all the Highlander novels, and so on. That's how I cut the demarkation between canon and not canon. The minimum set of "what is canon" is "what we saw on the screen". Anything else official is considered semi-canon, in my book. You can choose to refer to it or not. With Doctor Who, for example, there's TV canon, and New Adventures canon, and because the New Adventures are good, I'm more likely to want to play in that universe, but the core of Doctor Who canon is still the show. If they ever made any more Doctor Who on TV, the producers would happily ignore anything that was established in the NA's, unless they felt like including it. No matter how official they are. You can't *argue* cannonicity with the books, but you could choose to say "for the purposes of this story, I am treating the books as canon". In that case, you have to take the whole set of books, including the stinkers, when you choose to work by book continuity. Because the demarcation is not "stinkerness", but type of medium. So most of the fans choose to toss out the Blake's 7 books from consideration, because they stink. If they hadn't stunk, then more people would refer to them like they can refer to any semi-canon. I mean, like, for example, the fact that Blake is an engineer isn't something that we actually saw on the screen, so even though it is helpful to assume that, because there was a reference to it in the first draft of the script, it isn't canon. We didn't *see* it. The fact that Blake's trial took place in the year '52 has more support, because that was actually seen on the screen (but it depends on assuming that those figures that look like dates, actually are dates). There were heated arguments in the Doctor Who newsgroup when the NAs first came out, whether they were canon or not, and I don't think anyone changed their opinions. (I'd better stop. I'm starting to repeat myself.) -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:13:00 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] canon firing. Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Thu 16 Jul, Roger the Shrubber wrote: > dangermouse wrote > **** > Roger the Shrubber wrote: > > > The debate about who died on GP only continues because many fans do not > > accept Afterlife as canon. Perahps someone can explain why this is so. > > Because it's amazingly badly-written crap that is a travesty of the series' > ethos? > **** > Others have voiced similar opinions, but that doesn't really convince me. > There WERE crap TV episodes, but they are canon, are they not ? Therefore > logically, quality has nothing to do with canon. IMHO, if something has the > official BBC B7 logo on it, then it's canon. Crap canon possibly (I liked the > book until the last 50 pages), but still the real thing. If Blake's Legend > got the logo, then that would be canon too. > We can all say that Animals & Harvest sucked, but they're still canon. Moot point. I take all 52 aired episodes as canon, because even where they are poor quality, they don't contradict one another too badly. However, I do not take The Sevenfold Crown as canon in spite of it being both BBC and having mostly original cast. It is simply too contradictory to the rest of the series. To take one random example, we know that only Scorpio's flight deck is pressurised during flight and that there are bunks round the wall. So how come Avon has suddenly acquired a personal cabin complete with air supply for the radio play? There are many more problems like that. If I can reject the radio play as being non-canonical, then I have no qualms at all about discarding Afterlife. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:08:29 -0400 From: DJ Wight To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] canon firing. Message-ID: <199807152208_MC2-533E-77EF@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Roger the Shrubber wrote, > There WERE crap TV episodes, but they are canon, are they not ? No question. > Therefore logically, quality has nothing to do with canon. This can be legitimately argued. > IMHO, if something has the official BBC B7 logo on it, then it's canon. > Crap canon possibly (I liked the book until the last 50 pages), > but still the real thing. If Blake's Legend got the logo, then that > would be canon too. Here I disagree. For me, logo alone does not define canon. I see it more as a matter of material being part of the 'original package' of (in this case) a television series, ie., the four years' worth of episodes broadcast. That's as much as I'd be prepared to hold anyone to respecting as canon, in any context where it might conceivably matter...erm, can anyone suggest me a context in which it might conceivably matter? > We can all say that Animals & Harvest sucked, but they're still canon. Part of the 'original package'. --DJ angnak@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:57:46 +0100 From: "Borg, Peter: IT (LDN)" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: RE: [B7L] canon firing. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain Sorry I should clarify... debatable that it's cannon, not that it's crap. But then one man's meat is another man's gravy... Peter. > ---------- > From: Borg, Peter: IT (LDN)[SMTP:peter.borg@barclayscapital.com] > Sent: 15 July 1998 14:53 > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Subject: RE: [B7L] canon firing. > > Roger said: > > > We can all say that Animals & Harvest sucked, but they're still canon. > > > That's debateable... imho.... > > Peter. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:01:50 -0500 From: "Reuben Herfindahl" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] ADMIN: If I ever meet a spammer, I'll get violent Message-ID: <000801bdaff9$1d5ca410$660114ac@misnt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Calle Dybedahl To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 2:11 AM Subject: [B7L] ADMIN: If I ever meet a spammer, I'll get violent >The list is now closed. In theory, everyone who has posted in the past >should still be allowed to do so. >-- Just a quick test to see if I still can. Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:13:37 +0000 From: "Loulou Harris" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Good Grief is nothing private??!!! Message-Id: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT What is the world coming to? You agree to be interviewed for a little TV show, share your views with a million or so like-minded people but NOOOO, then you have to be immortalised on the Web, evetually indexed in the search engines, just waiting for future clients/employers/employees to check you out and have a good old snigger before they meet you! Bah, it is my own fault I suppose...I should have foreseen it! Btw, my own receptionist thinks I am a sad anorak, I was told yesterday by someone else in the building. But she didn't dare to tell me that to my face! To whoever did the transcript, good job, btw. But God help me come Online Information 98.... Pita ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:15:24 +0930 From: "Ophelia" To: "Edith Spencer" , "B7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Ah, sweet love on Liberator Message-ID: <01bdaff6$d13d19e0$LocalHost@waltersmith> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Edith wrote: >Cally and Jenna- Would these two women put up with A, B or Vila? And why >were they not close to each other- women bonding and all that? I think Jenna initially perceived Cally as a threat, in much more important ways than the obvious one of being the second womyn on board. Jenna is rather a prickly piece of work, although she is delightfully so, not a bitch like too many B/A writers write her. Firstly, Cally is an alien. The first Cally episode (was it Time Squad? I must go back to the 1st series) hinted that Jenna feels a certain amount of anti-alien xenophobia. Certainly, in the context of that episode, she'd be justified in being suspicious of aliens. Additionally, they were all fitting into their respective slots when Cally arrived. The others were fairly established - Blake the leader, Avon the brains, Vila the thief/comedian, Gan the muscle. Jenna of course was the pilot, which Cally was not. However, I think she was also, from the very beginning, finding another slot for herself - that of Blake's tough, smart right hand. Ironically, Cally provided a more obvious rival for that position than Avon. It was not surprising Jenna saw her as a threat, nor that they never seemed to become close. There also was a faint pairing of Blake with Jenna and Cally with Avon that made closeness between the two wimmin less likely. Of course, that was before Avon became Mr Macho and Cally came over all spiritual. And, as Kathryn wrote: <> >Vila- more unloveable than Avon, really, because at least Avon had >style, which counts for a lot?(paraphrase Pulp Fiction.) Vila has style. Being witty and vulnerable and decadent *is* style. Pity about the clothes, I admit, although he looked very cute on occaision (e.g. "Killer.") I, for one, find Vila very loveable indeed... The obvious partners for him seem to me to be Avon and Soolin - cool, powerful, intelligent types. Less clearly, I could see him with Tarrant or even Cally. Could someone >so drug addled and drunk be able to love another person? Feel platonic >love towards his fellow crew? Watch "City" again. Vila in love is adorable. >Avon- Has Style(tm) which counts for a lot. Actually, I would like hear >opinions on this- anyway you look at it, Avon loving/not loving someone >is rather dangerous. Did Avon truly love Anna, or was she like a symbol >or trophy to him, something he could not have easily, and in so his >desire was made greater for her? (Like the fraud, iow) Both, in my opinion. (Perceptive question, btw.) XXX Lindley. Ophelia Frump - ophelia@picknowl.com.au --www.geocities.com.au/TelevisionCity/2511/allo.html--- This angel's dirty face is sore, holding on to what she had before. Not sharing secrets with any old fool, now she's gonna keep her cool. -- "Naked" - the Spice Girls. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:35:43 PDT From: "Joanne MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Oh dear! Message-ID: <19980716023544.15685.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain To the list in general: I apologise for giving Lindley the opportunity to snipe at another list member, and I hope that Sarah will not take the opportunity to retaliate. To Lindley and Sarah: I apologise for, as it seems, reopening old wounds. Obviously I wasn't quite thinking as clearly as I hoped when I responded to Sarah's post, and I shall just have to watch how I word any responses in future. On a happier note: Pat Fenech has lent several stories/collections of stories to this newcomer to fanfiction. I must say that I am pleased to have the opportunity to read these stories, even if I cannot say that I like each and every one of them. But the ones I do like...(you are to imagine drooling noises at this point). As well, I've added a few more stories from the internet to that folder of mine, and I'd like to thank Pita and Reba for putting "Written in Stone" by Caroline York on their site. I love this story. Another one I love is "You Look Marvellous" by Annie and Leah, from the Ashton Press site. I can't help grinning whenever I think of that one. Regards Joanne (waiting for the weekend, so that I can have more time to read) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:23:46 -0500 From: "Lorna B." To: Subject: Re: [B7L] The Big Question Message-Id: <199807160325.WAA00440@pemberton.magnolia.net> DJ said re the possibilities of Soolin/Vila: >What could >he *do*, that could make a good enough impression on her, >for her to seriously consider him worth her attention/affection? Heh heh heh. We Vila Fanciers all have vivid imaginations, leaving us with no doubts whatsoever as to what "skill" Vila could use to impress Soolin. :-9 Lorna B. "Cookies and porn? You're the best mom ever!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:35:00 EDT From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com (Penny L Kjelgaard) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] B7 Games Message-ID: <19980715.203004.2839.0.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com> Has there ever been any B7 board or card games? Roll playing? Peace, Penny ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< Confucious say: When person say 'love' better make sure word touch wisdom tooth on way out of mouth ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:57:29 +1000 (EST) From: David Henderson To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] LIS B7 bits Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Judith wrote: >Richard tells me that the frame grabs and transcript from Lost in Space >are now up on the web. >So, if you missed it and want to see what the BBC made of it, follow... thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou And here I was fellin' all left out wonderin if oz tv would ever show it. Obviously I cannot compare it to the televised episode, but the transcript, with appropriate frame grabs, is very entertaining and enlightening. It also aint bad to put faces to names (my wot a visual world we (I?) live in). (Although, does Judith really smile that much ALL the time...pls note all frame grabs :) DavidH ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:21:11 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] B7 Games Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Thu 16 Jul, Penny L Kjelgaard wrote: > Has there ever been any B7 board or card games? Roll playing? Horizon produce a Blake's 7 role playing game. Of course, there'll be lots of games at Redemption. I promise some of them will be Blake's 7 related. Reminds me. Anyone want to volunteer to help run the pictionary game? I await with interest the efforts of fans to draw 'Rumours of Death' in less than 60 seconds... Mind you, I managed it in Charades once. Did 'Shrinker' by slowly curling up as small as possible. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:33:53 +0100 From: Steve Rogerson To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: spam ban Message-ID: <35ADD70D.83E0C623@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Calle said: "The list is now closed. In theory, everyone who has posted in the past should still be allowed to do so." This so annoys me (not what Calle's done but the fact that it had to be done). It's sad that these people are so intent on stuffing their adverts down everybody elses' throats they have no idea (or worse probably don't care) the hassle they cause other people. -- cheers Steve Rogerson Redemption 99: The Blakes 7 and Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Ashford, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ "Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell" Star Wars ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:36:31 +0100 From: Steve Rogerson To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Shopping for vids Message-ID: <35ADD7AC.ED825B3A@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Walter asked: "Could you clarify/confirm two things for me - Firstly, how many of the episodes/tapes been released so far ( ie what episode are they up to? ). Secondly, can you confirm that there is extra material besides the two eps on each tape, as was rumoured here a few months ago? Tape 6 containing Bounty and Deliverance is out and, I think, tape 7 with Orac and Redemption is due next week. As to your second question, I haven't a clue cos I'm keeping this set unwatched at the moment. However, if there is extra stuff on them I will probably change this policy very quickly. Antone else help? -- cheers Steve Rogerson Redemption 99: The Blakes 7 and Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Ashford, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ "Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell" Star Wars ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:36:48 +0100 From: Steve Rogerson To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Canon fodder Message-ID: <35ADD7BC.E633699@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Darren said: "Others have voiced similar opinions, but that doesn't really convince me. There WERE crap TV episodes, but they are canon, are they not ? Therefore logically, quality has nothing to do with canon. IMHO, if something has the official BBC B7 logo on it, then it's canon. Crap canon possibly (I liked the book until the last 50 pages), but still the real thing. If Blake's Legend got the logo, then that would be canon too. We can all say that Animals & Harvest sucked, but they're still canon." Dr Who Magazine has an article this month about what is canon in Dr Who (our problems are trivial compared with theirs). They seem to side with the TV programmes only, even though the programmes contradict themselves. They have problems like novels of the programmes often contain more information that was seen on screen, so is that extra info canon? Do they include Dimensions in Time and Shada? It goes on. As to B7, I've always regarded just the TV programmes as canon, but until recently there were no radio programmes. I can see no justification for not including The Sevenfold Crown in canon, despite its problems. If that had been done as a TV programme, all the fan fiction writers would be hastly scribbling away to write stories that would explain how Vila got an eating disorder and who this strange person was in Soolin's body. As to the books. I don't regard them as canon, no more than I regard the Dr Who or Star Trek books as canon. The Babylon 5 books are a bit harder because the authors have a tight reign on them to stay within canon. On the B7 books I can't remember if the three based on episodes have more information in them than we see on screen. Also, if we put them into canon we would also have to put the three annuals, the cartoon story in the Marvel special, stuff in the Marvel monthly, the short stories in the Marvel poster magazine and, god forbid, Avon: ATA. Anyway, what's wrong with Animals? -- cheers Steve Rogerson Redemption 99: The Blakes 7 and Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Ashford, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ "Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell" Star Wars ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:56:14 -0400 From: DJ Wight To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: Re: [B7L] The Big Question Message-ID: <199807160656_MC2-534E-A98C@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lorna B. wrote: > Heh heh heh. We Vila Fanciers all have vivid imaginations, > leaving us with no doubts whatsoever as to what "skill" > Vila could use to impress Soolin. :-9 If we're talking about the one he uses to impress Kerrill, *offscreen*---I'd figure that as his best bet, too! My problem is imagining circumstances under which she'd let him get close enough to try. In Soolin's case, I'm not sure that even being locked up in isolation aboard an alien spacecraft, on an apparent one-way trip to suffocation inside of an hour, would be enough to do it... --DJ angnak@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:56:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Una McCormack To: Lysator Subject: RE: [B7L] Lost in space Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jacqueline said: >>>It was fun to see some faces to go with the names at last. Especially >>>Una looked very different from what I had imagined. >>> >>>and Una replied: >> >>You know, and awful lot of my e-mail friends say that to me when they >>meet me. It must be the second head and the third arm. >> >Jacqueline replied: > >Actually, I had thought of you as being the academic type, who then >occasionally cuts loose by skateboarding through the university hallways. >Compared to that, you looked a bit quiet. Well, you know what they say about the quiet ones: they're, erm, a bit dull really! Una ;) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The pre-menstrual historian: 'It's NOT my period!' -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Judge Institute of Management Studies Tel: +44 (0)1223 766064 Trumpington Street Fax: +44 (0)1223 339701 Cambridge CB2 1AG http://www.sticklebrock.demon.co.uk/una United Kingdom http://www.jims.cam.ac.uk/research/ion/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:36:52 -0500 From: Lisa Williams To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Canon fodder Message-Id: <199807161129.GAA17068@mail.dallas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Steve Rogerson wrote: >I can see no justification for not including The Sevenfold Crown in canon, >despite its problems. If that had been done as a TV programme, all the fan >fiction writers would be hastly scribbling away Not necessarily. Bad reunion productions done years later aren't generally accepted as canon either, though they can fall into the kind of "semi-canon" category Kathryn was describing, where some fans choose to accept them and others don't. I cite as examples the UNCLE reunion TV movie, which had a number of serious problems and is by no means taken as incontrovertible canon in UNCLE fandom, and the two Wild, Wild West reunion movies, which were so awful that they're seldom *mentioned* in W^3 fandom except to sneer at them, and I don't think much of anyone takes them as canon. Generally, anything outside the original show is dicey. And occasionally some of what's in it. - Lisa _____________________________________________________________ Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@ti.com Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/ New Riders of the Golden Age: http://www.warhorse.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:53:27 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] LIS B7 bits Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Thu 16 Jul, David Henderson wrote: > (Although, does Judith really smile that much ALL the time...pls note all > frame grabs :) Nope . I am a sad, sour, miserable bastard who never smiles, never somersaults down hill in the company of fellow fans, never sings, hides away in a quiet corner at conventions and always tells the truth. Judith PS. Actually, it made for more effecient storage to reuse a lot of the frame grabs, but that's far too boring an explanation. -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:19:12 +0100 From: "Alison Page" To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: Re: [B7L] The Big Question Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Lorna B. wrote: > > > Heh heh heh. We Vila Fanciers all have vivid imaginations, > > leaving us with no doubts whatsoever as to what "skill" > > Vila could use to impress Soolin. :-9 DJ wrote- > If we're talking about the one he uses to impress Kerrill, > *offscreen*---I'd figure that as his best bet, too! My problem is > imagining circumstances under which she'd let him get close > enough to try. Weeelllll.. this is just the kind of speculation I can indulge in for hours. I can imagine the scene on Xenon base. Tarrant and Avon have been indulging in the same pissing contest (er, metaphorically speaking) for the whole afternoon. Dayna has gone off to her own quarters to get away from it. Soolin and Vila have been stuck with some work or other. As soon as they sit down for a breather the other two start the row again, perhaps with Orac sticking his oar in. Vila sighs and lifts the ubiquitous drink to his lips, looking a bit fed up. As he starts to drink it he notices that Soolin is looking over at him. Very importantly he doesn't smile at her or - god forbid - wink or any of the stupid things he is inclined to do in the presence of lovely women. he puts the drink down very gently and stands up. they go out. avon and tarrant don't notice. As they say on the wireless.. it could 'appen Alison ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:30:30 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] B7 Games Message-ID: <19980716193030.44056@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Jul 15, 1998 at 11:35:00PM -0400, Penny L Kjelgaard wrote: > Has there ever been any B7 board or card games? Roll playing? Well, I don't know about Roll playing, but Horizon has put out a Role-playing game, based on GURPs or something. -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jul 1998 23:23:11 +0200 From: Calle Dybedahl To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] B7 Games Message-ID: Kathryn Andersen writes: > Well, I don't know about Roll playing, but Horizon has put out a > Role-playing game, based on GURPs or something. Unless there is more than one B7 RPG, it bears no resemblance whatsoever to GURPS. It's more closely related to Runequest, system-wise. IMHO, it would've been much better if they'd used GURPS instead of inventing their own system. -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se Hail Eris! All Hail Discordia! Where am I? Fnord? Oh, there. -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #194 **************************************