From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #20 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/20 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 20 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Sevenfold Crown Re: [B7L] Claypit People Re: [B7L] The City at the Edge of the World re:[B7L]: New here with a question re:[B7L] T-Shirt Slogans [B7L] AB revealled [B7L] sex [B7L] sex (fwd) [B7L] AB revealled (fwd) [B7L] Re beards [B7L] Re honeymoon Re: [B7L] AB revealed Re: [B7L] Avon's Angels [B7L] Chris Boucher interview [B7L] Zine lists: all-B7 gen, 1 of 2 [B7L] Re: Claypit people Re: [B7L]: New here with a question Re: [B7L] sex/gender Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus re:[B7L] Secrets of B/A revealed [B7L] Fem politics again [B7L] Casting Julian Re: [B7L] Zine lists: all-B7 gen, 1 of 2 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:36:20 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Sevenfold Crown Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 On Tue 20 Jan, Dangermouse wrote: > > > Hmm. This sounds like it might be a fun place for a honeymoon... > > > > You are a man of amazing sagacity. Find me at Deliverance or the Neutral > > Zone and I shall sell you two memberships with my own tender hands. > > > You know it's a nice hotel, you've stayed there before. > > Sell? Don't you fancy having a genuine StarFury pilot? (not to mention Dr > Who/DS9/James Bond type guest?) > > > PS. If you have a pair of suspenders, than you may claim to be a man of > > infinite resource and sagacity. > > Does this mean there is going to be a Rocky Horror night? We're seriously considering a Rocky Horror Night, though actually I was thinking of the Just So Stories and 'How the Whale got his Throat'. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 04:55:37 -0600 From: Lisa Williams To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Claypit People Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980121045420.0075f910@dallas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Calle Dybedahl wrote: >If I'm thinking about the same Trek episode Tom is, they firmly nailed >down the idiocy by commenting on the fact that it was below absolute >zero. And then ignoring it for the rest of series, of course. Ah. So much for the benefit of the doubt... Not that I'm surprised, mind you. -- - Lisa Lisa's Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:01:49 EST From: Bizarro7 To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] The City at the Edge of the World Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-01-15 17:57:55 EST, Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk writes: << We started to do this in the sequal to Last Stand At the Edge of the >World (Shadow at the Edge), and intend to carry forward with it. > What? New novel? New novel? when? >> SHADOW AT THE EDGE, the sequal to LAST STAND AT THE EDGE OF THE WORLD, is available from Linda Knights at her website http://www.nas.com/~lknight/web- ads/web-ads.html. Leah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:25:36 -0800 From: Jackie To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: re:[B7L]: New here with a question Message-ID: <34C659C0.4035@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Forsyth wrote: (lots of snipping) > - No! Avon you muppet! Did you have a particular muppet in mind?? (more snipping) > - What do you mean the end?!?!?!??!?! > > There you go - a thrill every few seconds. Why stretch it out over a > three-episode special? I agree with Tom here. I think if it had been spread out over 3 episodes it would have drastically reduced its impact. It was much more shocking and memorable to have everything crammed into the last 3 mins, where everyone "got it", rather than giving the audience a week to recover before the next couple died. The whole of the fourth series (with a couple of exceptions) seemed to be building to an explosive climax. The Scorpio was too small to live on permenantly, so the crew were basically planet bound. It was inevitable that eventually they would walk into a Federation trap of one sort or another. With most of their plans and exploits going wrong for one reason or another, they were bound to run out of luck sooner or later. Avon seemed to accept that at the end off Orbit. It was even more noticeable in the flyer on Gauda Prime. Perhaps Orac`s research had discovered that the Federation intended to catch Blake, and Avon`s original intention was to get Blake out of there. With the Scorpio destroyed, there was no escape for any of them. Time ran out the moment Blake walked into the tracking Gallery. One thing was definate, Blake could not now be turned against the Rebellion again. Fatalistic Smile. BANG!! Bye for now Jackie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:25:45 -0800 From: Jackie To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: re:[B7L] T-Shirt Slogans Message-ID: <34C659C9.6ACE@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How about a picture of a dead Blake on the floor. Underneath is written: "Guess who forgot to eat his wheatabix today?" Bye for now Jackie PS The same slogan could go underneath a picture of Avon surrounded by the Federation at the end! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 02:06:51 +1100 From: Fran Myers To: B7 Subject: [B7L] AB revealled Message-ID: <34C60F0B.4389@ozemail.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sue gives some examples of homosexual indicators: The Web: Avon saving Blake from the bomb, Blake giving in when Avon gets hit with the cattle prod, the nice camaraderie under the elms. But Blake gives in when ANY of his friends or other innocents are threatened. All the time. Even on the London. Redemption: After the sparring, Avon covers Blake's head when they fall to the deck. So Vila loves Tarrant? He covered Tarrant's head when they hit the ground in "Rescue"... Pressure Point: Avon holding Blake as Blake falls to his knees in shock and despair. I think he'd do the same for any crew member who was upset. He needed them. Countdown: Blake threatens Grant if anything happens to Avon Because he NEEDS Avon's expertise and doesn't want him killed. I believe he would have done the same thing if, say, Vila had been in that situation. Hostage: Blake holding Avon when Avon is wounded They are all frequently holding each other when wounded or unconscious. Voice from the Past: Avon holding Blake as Blake screams, Avon very concerned about Blake in general. Avon needs Blake - he prefers the role of critic to the role of leader. He really enjoys saying "I told you so". Star One: After all the yelling, Avon goes anyway (them in a nutshell 8-) solicitous when Blake's wounded, agrees to carry on the battle when Blake can't. The "I've always trusted you" scene. Blake always knew which button to push - that was what made him such a good leader. He always said exactly the right thing to keep crew members working together. You can trust someone without loving them. Or wanting to fuck them! (I wish I could say "for example, Australia's prime minister". Unfortunately nobody wants to trust OR fuck him.) Aftermath: Avon's main concern is Blake (he asks Orac about him more than the others). He doesn't want the burden of leadership. He know he is no good at it. Why have a dog and bark too? Terminal: The look on Avon's face when Servalan says Blake is dead, everything he does to get there. He doesn't want to lead. He is sick of Tarrant! I interpret the look on his face as self-anger because he fell for the trap. Blake: Avon once again risks everything he has to get to Blake. No one else's (apparent) betrayal would cut as deep. Except Anna's. Avon trusted only twice, and both times believed he had been let down. Try imagining Terminal and Blake with someone else in Blake's place. No way--only for Blake would Avon do what he does, both the good and the stupid. I can't imagine either story without Blake. It is to get to the person willing to take responsibility that keeps Avon going. He hates being the quasi leader, especially having to put up with Tarrant's gibes. Blake made Avon feel important. So, as Sue points out, there is more than one way to view these scenes. I left out one example, as it always made me giggle to see them "embracing". And I still can't see homosexual overtones between them. But then I see a sexual relationship between Blake and Jenna, which some fans don't see. Fran M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 02:04:41 +1100 From: Fran Myers To: B7 Subject: [B7L] sex Message-ID: <34C60E89.6E8A@ozemail.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My three farthings worth - Men have achieved more over the centuries because they had wives to do everything, except their work, for them! And to support them and tell them how wonderful they were. If a woman achieved anything, it was against all odds. Especially being told they couldn't do it because they were women. Women were usually less educated then men and lived more sheltered lives. Fran M ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:48:26 +0100 (MET) From: "Jeroen J. Kwast" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se (mailing list) Subject: [B7L] sex (fwd) Message-Id: <199801211548.QAA12223@pampus.gns.getronics.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > My three farthings worth - > > Men have achieved more over the centuries because they had wives to do > everything, except their work, for them! And to support them and tell > them how wonderful they were. > > If a woman achieved anything, it was against all odds. Especially being > told they couldn't do it because they were women. > > Women were usually less educated then men and lived more sheltered > lives. > > Fran M > Your point? .... :) = What brought this up to put this on the list? Jeroen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:52:27 +0100 (MET) From: "Jeroen J. Kwast" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se (mailing list) Subject: [B7L] AB revealled (fwd) Message-Id: <199801211552.QAA12461@pampus.gns.getronics.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Sue gives some examples of homosexual indicators: > > The Web: Avon saving Blake from the bomb, Blake giving in when Avon > gets hit with the cattle prod, the nice camaraderie under the elms. > But Blake gives in when ANY of his friends or other innocents are > threatened. All the time. Even on the London. > [more examples + comments removed] > So, as Sue points out, there is more than one way to view these scenes. > I left out one example, as it always made me giggle to see them > "embracing". And I still can't see homosexual overtones between them. > But then I see a sexual relationship between Blake and Jenna, which some > fans don't see. > > Fran M > It still only see crewmembers (friends) caring for each other because they depend on each other to survive and become sort of friends later, nothing more. (except maybe Vila in a few scenes) Jeroen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:19:20 +0100 GMT From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re beards Message-Id: <198277612MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk> Re all this talk about beards, a woman I knew once said she preferred men with beards because they tickled during oral sex. cheers Steve Rogerson Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ Make your own tribble! Buy a hamster and cut off its legs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:20:08 +0100 GMT From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re honeymoon Message-Id: <198277626MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk> David Dangermouse McIntee said about Redemption 99: "Hmm. This sounds like it might be a fun place for a honeymoon." Shall we put you down for a double room then? One problem, if you are on honeymoon, how are you going to find the time to be on a panel? cheers Steve Rogerson Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ Make your own tribble! Buy a hamster and cut off its legs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:40:13 -0000 From: "Heather Smith" To: "Blake's 7" Subject: Re: [B7L] AB revealed Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fran wrote: > So, as Sue points out, there is more than one way to view these scenes. > I left out one example, as it always made me giggle to see them > "embracing". And I still can't see homosexual overtones between them. > But then I see a sexual relationship between Blake and Jenna, which some > fans don't see. You're not entirely alone here. I see suggestions of B/J as well. They certainly seem to spend a lot of time together, and they are often hugging/comforting each other. In one episode (I forget which) Avon asks Jenna where Blake is, when she tells him she doesn't know, his reply that 'I just thought you might know' could be taken as being suggestive, as could her reaction to Blake kissing Ravella. Plus loads of other subtle and not so subtle pointers. Heather 'can't think of a clever quote to go here' Smith 'There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish' -The fourth Doctor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:07:12 -0000 From: "Jenni-Alison" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon's Angels Message-Id: <199801211919.UAA26575@samantha.lysator.liu.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: J. I. Horner > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon's Angels > Date: 21 January 1998 05:25 > > So Barbara Windsor must be Jenna but isn't Hattie Jacques a bit big to be > Cally? > > Julie Horner > But brilliantly suited for teleport duty... Jenna and Barbara Windsor don't really have much in common physically either. They probably mass the same though! Jenni ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:19:23 +0100 GMT From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se CC: space-city@world.std.com Subject: [B7L] Chris Boucher interview Message-Id: <198279416MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk> To make sure no-one misses it, the Feb issue of Dr Who Magazine in the UK (No 261) has an eight page interview with Chris Boucher. It contains a box about the Blake episode and lots of B7 references in the text. cheers Steve Rogerson Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ Make your own tribble! Buy a hamster and cut off its legs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 05:21:00 GMT From: s.thompson8@genie.geis.com To: space-city@world.std.com Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, randym7%bestweb.net%inet#@genie.geis.com Subject: [B7L] Zine lists: all-B7 gen, 1 of 2 Message-Id: <199801220530.FAA29098@rock103.genie.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I thought that with Deliverance coming up soon, it might be a good idea to send out the latest version of the ever-evolving zine lists for your shopping convenience. The suggested method is: make a printout, check off what you already have, and take the list with you to avoid duplicate purchases when you are in zine-buying feeding frenzy mode. There are 5 separate lists (all-B7 gen; multimedia gen; nonfiction; all-B7 erotica; multimedia erotica), and the first has gotten so long (partly because of all the cross-references) that I'll send it in two parts. If you have any additions or corrections, please let me know! It would be difficult if not impossible to compile something like this without lots of people helping. There are still a few mystery zines for which I have only the title and don't know when or where it was produced, much less what was in it. I'd love to find out, if any of you happen to know. Sarah Thompson s.thompson8@genie.com B7 ZINE LIST A ALL-B7 GEN FICTION AND POETRY ZINES Names of authors are given for standalone and one-author zines only. Two or more coauthors writing stories in the same series count as one author. Otherwise, assume an anthology zine with multiple authors and unrelated stories. For standalones only, a rough indication of length is given as follows: 1-39 pp. = story 40-99 pp. = novella 100+ pp. = novel A few zines have been included in this list that are technically multimedia but in fact are almost entirely B7. Country abbreviations: AU = Australia CN = Canada NZ = New Zealand UK = United Kingdom US = United States mm = multimedia 54124 (UK, early 1980s) [Afterworld (Dorian Gale) see BLAKE'S DOUBLES #2] AFTERMATH #1 (UK, early 1980s) AFTERMATH #2 (UK, early 1980s) AIRWAVES B7 SPECIAL #1 (UK, 1993) AIRWAVES B7 SPECIAL #2: Time Lord (tetralogy by Brenda Callagher; UK, 1994) AIRWAVES B7 SPECIAL #3 (UK) ALL OUR TOMORROWS (story by Sue Little; special publication of SLAVE; UK, 1983) ALL THAT WAS EVER OURS (story by Judith Seaman; extra part of GHOST series; UK, 1987) AN APPEAL ON BEHALF OF THE MUTOIDS BENEVOLENT FUND (Galacticon '83; UK, 1983) AQUITAR (novel by Judith Seaman; prequel to PROGRAM/GHOST; UK, 1993) THE AQUITAR FILES (World Wide Web electronic zine; UK, 1995-7) [Assassin (Kevin Taylor) see under Freedom Party Services novelettes] [Auron Control planned but never published?; US] AVALON'S NEWSLETTER (includes short fiction; UK, 1982?) AVON #1 (trilogy by Yvette Clark and Brenda Callagher; fiction zine of Avon club; UK) AVON #2: Nemesis (novella by Carol Wyke; UK, 1992) AVON #3 (UK, 1992) AVON #4 (UK, 1993) AVON #5: The Way It Was (novel by Caroline Robertson; UK, 1993) AVON #6: A Matter of Time (story by Anna Richmond; UK, 1994) AVON #7: Prisoner's Dilemma (novella by Judith Seaman; UK, 1994) AVON #8: Dependency (novella by Ros Williams; UK, 1994) AVON #9: A Bad Case of Frostbite (novella by Anna Richmond; UK, 1995) AVON #10: The Sum of the Parts (novella by Susan Barrett; UK, 1995) AVON #11: The Human Factor (novella by Freda Hyatt; reprinted from STANDARD BY SEVEN #11; UK, 1996) AVON #12: Mercy's Bounty (novella by Donna Chlouber; UK, 1997) AVON #13 (two stories by Susan Barrett Riaz; UK, 1997) AVON (THE PAUL DARROW SOCIETY) NEWSLETTER #1-69 (club newsletter; includes short fiction) AVON: ON LINE #1 (US, 1988) AVON: ON LINE #2 (US, 1989) AVON: ON LINE #3 (US, 1990) AVON THE TERRIBLE (US, 1990) AVON'S 8 (stories by Evelyn Turner; US, 199?) AVON'S 8 COLLECTED, Vol. 1: Revisionist History (series of stories by Deb Walsh and Mary Bloemker, reprinted from B7 COMPLEX; US, 199?) [AVON'S 8 COLLECTED, Vol. 2: Season in Hell (series of stories by Deb Walsh and Mary Bloemker, reprinted from B7 COMPLEX; forthcoming?)] AVON'S SEVEN #1 (CN, 1996) B7 COMPLEX #1 (US, 1981.7) B7 COMPLEX #2 (mm, but mostly B7; US, 1982.3) B7 COMPLEX #3 (US, 1982.7) B7 COMPLEX #4 (US, 1982.11) B7 COMPLEX #5 (mm, but mostly B7; US, 1983.3) B7 COMPLEX #6/7 (mm, but mostly B7; US, 1984.5) B7 COMPLEX #8 (US, 1986.5) B7 COMPLEX #9 (US, 1986.8) B7 COMPLEX #10 (US, Winter 1987) B7 COMPLEX #11 (US, 1987.5) B7 COMPLEX #12 (US, 1987.7) B7 COMPLEX #13 (US, 1988.1) B7 COMPLEX #14 (US, 1988.1) B7 COMPLEX #15 (US, 1988.7) B7 COMPLEX #16 (US, 1988.7) [B7 Liberation see LIBERATION] BAD BLOOD (story by Peggy Hartsook; reprint; US, 1997) [A Bad Case of Frostbite (Anna Richmond) see AVON #9] BEARS ON THE ROOF AND WE CAN'T GET HIM DOWN (K. Rae Travers and Sophia Mulvey; teddy bears, humor; sequel to JOURNEY TO B- HIVE-5; US, 1991) BELOVED ADVERSARY (novel by Sondra Sweigman; US, 1994) THE BEST OF SPACEFALL #1 (UK) THE BEST OF SPACEFALL #2 (UK) THE BEST OF TAKE ONE (stories from an Avon Club competition; UK) THE BEST OF TAKE TWO (see THE BEST OF TAKE ONE; UK) BETWEEN BLACK & WHITE ("Keith Black" bootleg of story actually by Pat Thomas et al., from SPACEFALL #4; US, 1986) THE BIZARRO ZINE #1 (stories by Ann Wortham and Leah Rosenthal; humor; US, 1988) THE BIZARRO ZINE #2 (stories by Ann Wortham and Leah Rosenthal; humor; US, 1989) THE BIZARRO ZINE #3 (stories by Ann Wortham and Leah Rosenthal; humor; US, [1990]) THE BIZARRO ZINE #4 (stories by Ann Wortham and Leah Rosenthal; humor; US, 1992) [Blake (Peter Anghelides) see under Frontier Worlds Special Publications] THE BLAKE BUNCH (filks and poetry; US, 1988) BLAKE, RABBLE & ROLL #1 (US, 1989.10) [#2 includes slash] BLAKE, RABBLE & ROLL #3 (US, 1992.8) BLAKE'S BARF BAG (mm, but mostly B7; humor; US, 1989.5) BLAKE'S DOUBLES #1 (The Flotsam Chronicles, novella by P. Milby & V. Dickinson; Out of the Night, novella by Annita Smith; US, 1988) BLAKE'S DOUBLES #2 (Half-Life, novella by Jamie Ritchey & Dee Beetem; The Log of the Hellhound-- Book IV, series of stories by Katrina Larkin and Susanne Tilley; US, 1989) BLAKE'S DOUBLES #3 (Metamorphosis, novella by Sheila Paulson; Afterworld, novella by Dorian Gale; US, 1990) BLAKE'S DOUBLES #4 (The Dreamers, novella by Sheila Paulson; Hellhound-- Book VII, series of stories by Katrina Larkin and Susanne Tilley; US, ?) BLAKE'S SEVEN OMNIBUS #1 (bootleg edition of HORIZON #8; US, 1986?) BLAKE'S SEVEN OMNIBUS #2 (bootleg edition of SERIES 5: TRILOGY ONE; US, 1986?) BLAKE'S SEVEN-- THE TRUE STORY (story by Ros Williams; humor; UK) BLAKE'S VENTURE (Anthony Murray; humor; UK) THE BLEEDING RIVER (poetry by Michael Macomber; US) BLIND (story by Linda Knights; revised reprint; US, 1997?) BLOKE'S SEVEN (Joe Nazarro and Ted Slampyak; cartoon version of "The Way Back;" US, 1988; reprint, 1997) BLOODLINE & ITS SEQUEL (novella by Anna Grant; UK, 1983.1) BLOODLINES (novella by Margaret Scroggs; sequel to DOUBLE IMAGE; part 4 of 6; UK, 1989) BORROWED TIME #1-5 (Helen Pitt; UK, 1985-7) BROTHER OF SHADOWS AND SON OF THE LIGHT (novella by Susan Matthews; US, 1989) CENTERO #1-? (letterzine, including short fiction; AU) CEPHLON ONE (AU, 1984.7) THE CHAMELEONS (Gillian Marsden; UK, 1986?) [Changeling (novel by Julie A. Nowak and Cindy Dye) planned but never published?; US, 1989] CHECKERS (novel by Pat Patera; US, 1992) CHILDREN OF THE FEDERATION (US, 1990) CHRONICLE #1 (UK) CHRONICLE #2 (UK) CHRONICLE #3 (UK) CHRONICLE #4 (UK) (THE) CHRONICLES #1 (AU, 1981.1) (THE) CHRONICLES #2 (AU, 1981.6) (THE) CHRONICLES #3 (AU) (THE) CHRONICLES #4 (AU) (THE) CHRONICLES #5 (AU, 1982.5) (THE) CHRONICLES #6 (AU, 1982.6) (THE) CHRONICLES #7 (AU, 1982.9) (THE) CHRONICLES #8 (AU, 1983.3) (THE) CHRONICLES #9/10 (AU, 1983.7) (THE) CHRONICLES #11 (AU, 1984.10) (THE) CHRONICLES #12/13 (AU, 1984.1) CHRONICLES #14 (AU, 1984.4) CHRONICLES #15 (AU, 1984.7) CHRONICLES #16 (AU) CHRONICLES #17/18 (AU, 1985.1) CHRONICLES #19 (AU, 1985.4) CHRONICLES #20 (AU, 1985.7) CHRONICLES #21 (AU, 1985.10) CHRONICLES #22/23 (AU) CHRONICLES #24 (AU, 1986.4) CHRONICLES #25 (AU) CHRONICLES #26 (AU, 1986.10) CHRONICLES #27/28 (AU) CHRONICLES #29 (AU, 1987.4) CHRONICLES #30 (AU, 1987.7) CHRONICLES #31 (AU, 1987.10) CHRONICLES #32/33 (AU, 1988.1) CHRONICLES #34 (AU, 1988.4) CHRONICLES #35 (AU) CHRONICLES #36 (AU, 1988.10) CHRONICLES #37/38 (AU, 1989.1) CHRONICLES #39 (AU) CHRONICLES #40 (AU) CHRONICLES #41 (AU) CHRONICLES #42/43 (AU) CHRONICLES #44 (AU) CHRONICLES #45 (AU, 1990.7) CHRONICLES #46 (AU, 1990.10) CHRONICLES #47 (AU, 1991.4) CHRONICLES #48 (AU) CHRONICLES #49/50/51 (AU, 1992.1; includes author & title index for #s 1-48) CHRONICLES #52 (AU, 1992.4) CHRONICLES #53 (AU, 1992.7) CHRONICLES #54 (AU) CHRONICLES #55 (AU) CHRONICLES #56/57/58: Key (M. Logan & J. Hayward; AU) CHRONICLES #59 (AU) CHRONICLES #60/61/62 (AU) THE CHRONICLES 7-10 (reprint) THE CHRONICLES 11-13 (reprint) CHRONICLES ANNUAL 1986 (AU, 1986) CHRONICLES ANNUAL 1987 (AU, 1987) CHRONICLES ANNUAL 1988 (AU, 1988) CHRONICLES ANNUAL 1989 (AU, 1989) CIRCLES (Roberta Stuemke; sequel to ISLANDS; Sundowner trilogy, part 2; US, 1990) THE CIRCLES OF TIME (trilogy by Sheila Paulson; B7/The Master crossover; US, 1989) [City at the Edge of the World (Garry Cullen) see under Freedom Party Services novelette #16 CLOSE CALLS (novella by Linda Knights; revised reprint from SOMETHING... UNFRIENDLY #1; US, 1997) THE COLOR OF MAGIC (novel by Sheila Paulson; B7 AU/The Master crossover; US, 1988) [Confrontations (Susan Rotellini, part 3 of 3); never published?] CONQUEST #1 (AU, 1982.6) CONQUEST #2 (mm, but mostly B7; AU, 1982.9) CONQUEST #3 (mm, but mostly B7; AU, 1983.8) CONQUEST #4 (AU, 1983.9) THE COST OF THE CHEESEBOARD (novella by June Bauer and Beth Friedman; US, 1995) [Countdown (Henry Eggleton) see under Freedom Party Services novelettes] THE CRUCIBLE (aka THE CRUCIBLE'S FLAME; novella by Linda Knights; reprint; US, 1997) [Cygnus Alpha (Gavin Collinson) see under Freedom Party Services novelettes] DAMNED BE THOSE WHO FOLLOW (novella by Kathy Hintze, plus extra story; US, 1992.5) DARK BETWEEN THE STARS #1 (US, 1989) DARK BETWEEN THE STARS #2 (US, 1990) DARK BETWEEN THE STARS #3 (US, 1991) DARK BETWEEN THE STARS #4 (US) DARK BETWEEN THE STARS #5 (US) DEAD END (story by Jean Sheward; UK, 1981.10) [Deadly Night Shades (Gillian Marsden) see STANDARD BY SEVEN SPECIAL #1] A DELICATE BALANCE (novel by Sondra Sweigman; sequel to BELOVED ADVERSARY; US, 1995) DELTA BLUES (Vila zine; US, 1993) DENOUEMENT (Margaret Scroggs; sequel to FRAME-UP; part 6 of 6; UK, 1995?) [Dependency (Ros Williams) see AVON #8] DERELICTS (Bryn Lantry; AU, 1986?; reprint: UK, 1996?) DESPERADO (novel by Genna Eccles [=Leigh Arnold]; US, 1990?) DESTINY #1 (US, 1991.9) DR. BELLFRIAR'S MEMORIAL JOURNAL #1 (fiction zine of The Sopron Alliance club; US, 1988) DR. BELLFRIAR'S MEMORIAL JOURNAL #2 (US, 1989) DR. BELLFRIAR'S MEMORIAL JOURNAL #3 (US, 1989) DR. BELLFRIAR'S MEMORIAL JOURNAL #4 (US, 1990) DR. WHO AND THE RELUCTANT COMPANION 1: Random Factors (S. R. Mowatt; B7/DW crossover; US, 1992?) DR. WHO AND THE RELUCTANT COMPANION 2: Key Elements (S. R. Mowatt; B7/DW crossover; US, 1993) DOUBLE IMAGE (novella by Margaret Scroggs; sequel to SELF-SEARCH; part 3 of 6; UK, 1988) DOUBLE LINE DOWN & UNSAFE #1 (NZ, 1984) DOWN & UNSAFE #2 (NZ, 1984) DOWN & UNSAFE #3 (NZ, 1985) DOWN & UNSAFE #4 (NZ, 1986) DOWN & UNSAFE #5 (NZ, 1986) DOWN & UNSAFE #6 (NZ, 1987.7) DOWN & UNSAFE #7 (NZ, 1988.8) DOWN & UNSAFE #8 (NZ, 1992.4) DRAKE'S SEVEN COMIC BOOK (Paul Williams; early 1980s) DSV #1 (US) DSV #2 (US) [Duel (Robert Cook) see under Freedom Party Services novelette #11] [Eggplant Extrapolated planned but never published; US] ELEVENTH SECTOR #1 (fiction zine of Star One club; US, 1988) ELEVENTH SECTOR #2 (US, 1988?) ENARRARRE (very large all-B7 issue of multimedia zine; AU, 1989?) ENIGMA 6 (B7 issue of mm zine(?); UK, early 1980s) ENDGAME (story by Peggy Hartsook, reprinted from POWER #1; US, 1997) THE EPIC (novel by Catherine Knowles; UK, 1980) EPISODES (Judith Seaman; UK, 1989?) [The Estradian Recruitment (Anne Lewis) see under LIBERATOR #8] EVOLUTION (novel by Madonna Skaff; B7/Classic Trek crossover; CN, 1990) FAITH, HOPE, AND CHARITY (story by Judith Seaman; UK, 1993) FATE'S FINAL ACT (novella by Linda Knights; reprinted from SOUTHERN SEVEN #5; US, 1997) FEAR (novel by Tom Beck; US, 1989) FIFTH SEASON #1 (US, 1982.7) FIFTH SEASON #2 (US, 1983.5) FIFTH SEASON #3 (US, 1984.5) FIFTH SEASON #4 (US, 1986) FIFTH SEASON #5 (US, 1988) FIFTH SEASON #6 (US, 1990) FIGHTBACK #1-2 (novel by Margaret Scroggs; part 1 of 6; UK) FIGUREHEAD (story by Leigh Arnold; New Horizons series, part 3; US) THE FINAL TAKE (see THE BEST OF TAKE ONE and TWO; UK) FLAKE'S SEVEN (Leigh Arnold; humor; combined reprint of #s 1 & 2; US) FLAKE'S SEVEN #1 (Leigh Arnold; humor; US, 1982) FLAKE'S SEVEN #2 (Leigh Arnold; humor; US, 1983) FLIGHT INTO SLAVERY (Brenda Callagher; B7/Battlestar Galactica crossover; UK; ca. 1986?) [The Flotsam Chronicles (P. Milby & V. Dickinson) see BLAKE'S DOUBLES #1] FOREVER LIVE AND DIE (Shawn Wigton, part 1 of ?; US) FORGOTTEN SEVEN (US, 1990?) FRAGMENTS FROM A SHATTERED LIFE (novel by Cath Knowles; UK, 1990.8) FRAME-UP (novella by Margaret Scroggs; sequel to BLOODLINE; part 5 of 6; UK, 1990) Freedom Party Services novelettes (stories based on eps) #1, HEADHUNTER (Kevin Taylor) #2, REDEMPTION (David Metcalfe) #3, SAND (Dominic Anderson) #4, STRUGGLE TO LIVE (Kevin Taylor) #5, MISSION TO DESTINY (Henry Eggleton; UK, 1986.4) #6, STARDRIVE (Patrick Chapman) #7, WARLORD (David Metcalfe) #8, PRESSURE POINT (Robert Franks) #9, SARCOPHAGUS (Dominic Anderson) #10, TO LOSE, TO WIN (Patrick Chapman; combines "Terminal" and "Rescue;" UK, 1987) #11, DUEL (Robert Cook; UK, 1987) #12, TIMESQUAD (Gavin Collinson; UK, 1987) #14, ULTRAWORLD (Kenneth Nelson; UK, 1987) #15, POWER (Dominic Anderson; UK, 1987) #16, CITY AT THE EDGE OF THE WORLD (Garry Cullen; UK, 1987) SEEK-LOCATE-DESTROY (Garry Cullen) MOLOCH (Susan Glasgow) CYGNUS ALPHA (Gavin Collinson) ASSASSIN (Kevin Taylor) GAMBIT (Carol Wyke) COUNTDOWN (Henry Eggleton) #23, TRAITOR (Simon Gardener; UK, 1988) #24, RUMOURS OF DEATH (Stephanie Lucas; UK, 1988) #25, THE WAY BACK (Patrick Chapman; UK, 1988) FREYA (Janet Ellicott?; UK) [From the Log of the Hellhound see under Hellhound] Frontier Worlds Special Publications (stories based on eps) BLAKE (Peter Anghelides; partly reprinted from FRONTIER WORLDS 13 & 14; UK, 1985) SHADOW (David Tulley; UK, 1986) [Gambit (Carol Wyke) see under Freedom Party Services novelettes] GAMBIT #1 (US, 1987.10) GAMBIT #2 (US, 1988.4) GAMBIT #3 (US, 1988.10) GAMBIT #4 (US, 1989.5) GAMBIT #5 (US, 1989.12) GAMBIT #6 (US, 1990.8) GAMBIT #7 (US, 1991.6) GAMBIT #8 (US, 1992.2) GAMBIT #9 (US, 1992.10) GAMBIT #10 (US, 1993.6) GAMBIT #11 (US, 1994.3) GAMBIT #12 (US, 1994) GAMBIT #13 (US, 1995.8) GAMBIT #14 (US, 1996.11) GAMBIT #1 (AU) GAMBIT #2 (AU) GAMBIT #3 (AU) GAME, SET, AND MATCH (trilogy by Kathy Hintze; US) GHOST #1-5 (series of stories by Judith Seaman; sequel to PROGRAM; two more parts projected; UK, 1986-1990) [Ghyste Mortua planned but never published; US, 1988] GOING HOME (play by James Ide; sequel to UNDERCURRENTS; stage adaptation of Quest, part 3 of 3; US, 1992) G.R.O.T. #1 (UK, 1987?) [Half-Life (Jamie Ritchey & Dee Beetem) see BLAKE'S DOUBLES #2] THE HAUNTING OF HADERON (Lillian Shepherd, reprinted with slight revisions from LIBERATOR #5; UK, 1982.8; later reprinted in STAR THREE) [Headhunter (Kevin Taylor) see under Freedom Party Services novellette #1] HELLHOUND, FROM THE LOG OF THE, BOOK I (series of stories by Katrina Snyder and Susanne McGhin; reprinted from first edition of SOUTHERN SEVEN #1, plus one extra story; US, 1988) HELLHOUND, FROM THE LOG OF THE, BOOK II (series of stories by Katrina Snyder and Susanne McGhin; reprinted from first edition of SOUTHERN SEVEN #2; US, 1988) [Hellhound Book III (Katrina Snyder and Susanne McGhin) included in SOUTHERN SEVEN #3] [The Log of the Hellhound-- Book IV (Katrina Larkin and Susanne Tilley) see BLAKE'S DOUBLES #2] [Hellhound Book V (Katrina Larkin and Susanne Tilley) included in SOUTHERN SEVEN #5] [Hellhound Book VI (Katrina Larkin and Susanne Tilley) included in SOUTHERN SEVEN #7] [Hellhound Book VII (Katrina Larkin and Susanne Tilley) see BLAKE'S DOUBLES #4] HELLHOUND, FROM THE LOG OF THE, BOOK VIII (series of stories by Katrina Larkin and Susanne Tilley; US, [1993]) HERO (story by Judith Seaman; sequel to SCORPION; UK) HIP-DEEP IN HEROES (filks; US) HORIZON #1 (fiction zine of Horizon club; UK, 1980) HORIZON #1 + 8 (combined reprint of two issues; UK, 1990) HORIZON #2 (UK) HORIZON #3 (UK) HORIZON #4 (UK) HORIZON #5 (UK) HORIZON #6 (UK, 1984.7) HORIZON #7 (UK, 1985) HORIZON #8 (UK, 1986.3) HORIZON #9 (UK, 1986) HORIZON #10 (UK, 1987) HORIZON #11 (UK, 1988.1) HORIZON #12 (UK, 1988.10) HORIZON #13 (UK, 1989.6) HORIZON #14 (UK, 1990.3) HORIZON #15 (UK, 1991.8) HORIZON #16 (UK, 1992.4) HORIZON #17 (UK, 1992.11) HORIZON #18 (UK, 1994.10) HORIZON #19 (UK, 1995.8) HORIZON #20 (UK, 1996.10) HORIZON NEWSLETTER #1-36 (some issues include short fiction) [The Human Factor (Freda Hyatt) see AVON #11] III #3 (UK?) IMIPAC #1 (UK?) IMIPAC #2 IMIPAC #3 IMIPAC #4 IMIPAC #5 [Inheritance (Yvette Clarke) see INTERFACE #4] INPUT #1 (CN, 1988.2) INPUT #2 (CN, 1989.3) INPUT #3 (CN, 1989.12) INPUT #4 (CN, 1990.11) INTERFACE #1 (fiction zine of Vilaworld club; UK, 1982.6) INTERFACE #2 (UK) INTERFACE #3 (UK, 1983.4) INTERFACE #4: Inheritance (Yvette Clarke; UK, 1983.8) INTERFACE #5 (UK) INTERFACE #6 (UK, 1984.1) INTERFACE #7 (UK, 1984.9) INTERFACE #8 (UK) INTERFACE #9 (UK) INTERFACE #10 (UK) INTERFACE #11 (UK) INTERFACE #12 (UK) INTERSECTION (novella by Janet Ellicott and Penny Hill; B7/Space:1999 crossover; UK) INVERTED BLAKE #1 (US) INVERTED BLAKE #2 (US) ISLANDS (novella by Roberta Stuemke; Sundowner trilogy, part 1; US, 1989) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 05:19:00 GMT From: s.thompson8@genie.geis.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Claypit people Message-Id: <199801220539.FAA00991@rock103.genie.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" With regard to the apparent homogeneity, both topographical and cultural, of each of the planets seen: can't we explain this away by pointing out that the colonization of the various planets has apparently been going on only for a few centuries? So the human population on each one is probably not all that big as yet, and probably all pretty similar to each other as they have the same relative handful of ancestors, and probably still living in one fairly restricted area. What other people are thinking of when they think about the planet is just the rather small area around the spaceport, where most of the human settlements still are. Really, I think B7 is not all that unrealistic in its treatment of strange planets, even if they do all happen to look like quarries. :) Sarah Thompson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:54:31 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L]: New here with a question Message-ID: <34C6D107.7DFA@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jackie wrote: > Perhaps Orac`s > research had discovered that the Federation intended to catch Blake, and > Avon`s original intention was to get Blake out of there. With the Scorpio > destroyed, there was no escape for any of them. > Time ran out the moment Blake walked into the tracking Gallery. > One thing was definate, Blake could not now be turned against the > Rebellion again. This would make a great story. If you write fanfic, consider it. Your reasoning is creative, chilling, and as darkly ironic as the series. :) Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:46:59 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se CC: b7spin@metva.com Subject: Re: [B7L] sex/gender Message-ID: <34C6CF43.2881@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fran Myers wrote: > Men have achieved more over the centuries because they had wives to do > everything, except their work, for them! And to support them and tell > them how wonderful they were. > > If a woman achieved anything, it was against all odds. Especially being > told they couldn't do it because they were women. > > Women were usually less educated then men and lived more sheltered > lives. > yes. yes. yes. yes. and yes to the other rebuttals which I shall get to-- All these "buts & becauses" are true! But back up a step: WHY are they true? To turn your "becauses" on their heads: WHY don't husbands support women and tell them how wonderful they are? WHY don't women tell men they can't do it because they were men? WHY do women live more sheltered lives? Why do women choose safety over risk? (But perhaps we should take this to the B7 Spin List, as it's off topic) (And looks likely to break out into a full rumble) Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:31:18 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus Message-ID: <34C6CB96.6281@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit J. I. Horner wrote: > > I have just seen 'Sarcophagus' for the first time. >- but to be honest all that atmospheric dancing around at the start > was at least twice as long as necessary IMO ... Having just read Neil Faulkner's The Claypit People: doesn't this just prove that fen want to watch the series characters, not spend too much time getting thoroughlly acquainted with some alien culture? I, too, found the introduction beautifully done, but hey! I want my Blakes 7 and I want it *now*. > It also highlighted the aimlessness of the crew at this point. They > were intending to visit some indifferent asteroid and then visited the > alien spaceship instead as a sort of 'Why not, it's something to do' > venture. Talk about lack of a series-driven plot! (to quote the new B5 jargon) What *were* the producers thinking? After the fine continuity of the first seasons? Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:52:26 -0800 From: Jackie To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: re:[B7L] Secrets of B/A revealed Message-ID: <34C7794A.63F2@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NWOutsider wrote: > > Re: consternation at not being able to see "homosexual" > undertones, overtones, monotones, whatever...This reminds me of a story > about an academic studying fandom, writing her very first slash story and > then reading it to a gay male friend to find out if it was hot. I cannot > imagine a more obvious example of someone just not getting it than that. > What's slashy about B/A (IMO, FWIW, YMMV, ETC.), is the intensity of the > bond and the angst potential. (I don't mean to sound snippy, I'm just > typing really fast because I have to get off-line in a minute). For > those looking with a slashy sensibility, some scenes carry more > symbolic baggage than others because the physical action seems to > express the emotional subtext we favor. I'm not saying I speak for > all B/A fen of the world; this is my view of what happens. (Sue goes on to list quite a few episodes to prove her case, but I`ve snipped them out to shorten the reply.) Many thanks for the above info. I remember those scenes, but never thought about them in a slash way. I shall have to watch them again bearing slash in mind. > > And finally, I'm well aware that all of these scenes carry > multiple interpretive possibilities and that there are many other > wonderful scenes for B/A or B-A. But the Royal Rumble free for all > is about to start. 8-) We didn`t get the free for all (again :-( ). Did HBK survive THE GRAB intact, do you think?? > > Sue > "When correctly viewed, everything is lewd" Tom Lehrer I`m beginning to think this might be true! Bye for now Jackie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:58:38 +1000 From: Tim Richards & Narrelle Harris To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Fem politics again Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980122205838.007debe0@wire.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Pat P said: >but >thousands of years of civilization support the opposite truth. And >surely anyone in the workplace today sees it all the time. Women who >have everything going for them turn into "something else" when a baby >comes along. Scuse me Pat, but *whose* civilisation are we talking about here? Although history is full of civilisation that are predominantly patriarchies, they are not the only kinds of civilisations around. Some societies have been matriarchies, and many have had a whole range of gender/social role mechanisms that differ from the ones we're familiar with. To follow your arguments, the reason that Aboriginals live in poor health conditions and die up to 20 years earlier, of curable diseases, than their white counterparts, is because they haven't got the get up and go to escape. This may seem extreme, but it is *exactly* the same kind of thinking. People's role in society is based on a whole lot more than just internal fortitude. You should try really *looking* at how the media reports on a female politician as opposed to their treatment of a *male* one. I don't see many reports on the latter defining them by their status as a parent, what they are wearing, or implying that their families have been sacrificed for the sake of their careers. Why should women have to be utterly *exceptional* before she can succeed (like Thatcher and Bhutto and Kernot) when the field of men in positions of power is filled with the exceptional, the very good and the utterly banal? Narrelle ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tim Richards and Narrelle Harris parallax@wire.net.au http://www.wire.net.au/~parallax "Look, he's winding up the watch of his wit; by and by it will strike." - Shakespeare ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:02:41 +1000 From: Tim Richards & Narrelle Harris To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Casting Julian Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980122210241.007dc6a0@wire.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Julian wrote: >And I know this suggestion would be better placed on the other list, but >how about Julian Clary as Avon? > I'd always fancied Julian Clary as Servalan, myself... he has the flair, though I admit that vinyl wasn't her usual style... :-) Narrelle ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tim Richards and Narrelle Harris parallax@wire.net.au http://www.wire.net.au/~parallax "Look, he's winding up the watch of his wit; by and by it will strike." - Shakespeare ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:58:28 +1100 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Zine lists: all-B7 gen, 1 of 2 Message-ID: <19980122225828.51507@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Thu, Jan 22, 1998 at 05:21:00AM +0000, s.thompson8@genie.geis.com wrote: > > If you have any additions or corrections, please let me know! It would be > difficult if not impossible to compile something like this without lots of > people helping. There are still a few mystery zines for which I have only > the title and don't know when or where it was produced, much less what was > in it. I'd love to find out, if any of you happen to know. > CONQUEST #1 (AU, 1982.6) > CONQUEST #2 (mm, but mostly B7; AU, 1982.9) > CONQUEST #3 (mm, but mostly B7; AU, 1983.8) > CONQUEST #4 (AU, 1983.9) These were the literary competition zines of the ConQuest convention which has been held annually in Brisbane since (presumably) 1982. There was a hiatus where no zine was produced, then a rash of them in the late eighties (and I don't know what since, since I left Brisbane in 1989). The early ones are the better ones. > ENARRARRE (very large all-B7 issue of multimedia zine; AU, 1989?) That's "Enarrare" (with an accent over the last 'e'), black cover with gold writing, 350-odd pages. And, yes, it was 1989. -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://connexus.apana.org.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "std/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #20 *************************************