From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #201 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/201 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 201 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] B7 on UK Gold RE: [B7L] B7 on UK Gold Re: [B7L] Re: Flag waving-- LONG [B7L] Fwd: b7 shorty Re: [B7L] B7 on UK Gold [B7L] long flag waving-yikes! RE: [B7L] long flag waving-yikes! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:05:17 +0100 From: "Dangermouse" To: "Julie Horner" , Subject: Re: [B7L] B7 on UK Gold Message-Id: <199807242032.VAA12611@gnasher.sol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > I also note that on Sunday 16th Aug at 9.05am, the Dr Who Omnibus > is 'Silurians'. Isn't that the one with a certain young Mr Darrow in it? Yep. > I am not sure I have ever seen that story - or not since I was a kid, > can anyone tell me is it any good? Yes, much better than his later appearance in Lameshit > Has PD got a significant role? Middling > Is it worth setting the video for? Yes. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:39:59 +0100 From: Anne Lane To: "'Blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" Subject: RE: [B7L] B7 on UK Gold Message-ID: <01BDB75C.6831A480.aplane@tesco.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Friday, July 24, 1998 8:42 PM, Julie Horner [SMTP:jihorner@dial.pipex.com] wrote: > > The Cable and Wireless Guide for August agrees with that exactly and > they are usually pretty accurate. > > I also note that on Sunday 16th Aug at 9.05am, the Dr Who Omnibus > is 'Silurians'. Isn't that the one with a certain young Mr Darrow in it? > > I am not sure I have ever seen that story - or not since I was a kid, > can anyone tell me is it any good? Has PD got a significant role? > Is it worth setting the video for? > I believe The Silurians was the first Jon Pertwee story. As a confirmed Hartnell fan, I never liked Pertwee as the Doctor - very good in himself, but more Adam Adamant or John Steed than a time lord. But when I saw The Silurians last time it was on UK Gold I really enjoyed it - if Pertwee's interpretation had continued in that vein I would have liked him. It also is quite a complex tale, good and bad on both sides. the Silurians are not evil monsters and the humans do some pretty despicable things. And PD looks good! Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 22:20:55 +0930 From: "Ophelia" To: , Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Flag waving-- LONG Message-ID: <01bdb7ca$dcf59240$6b4c18cb@waltersmith> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I do apologise for this, Calle, and I will try to keep it brief; but I am so tired of this. Sarah's obsessive, hateful and lying behaviour is ludicrous - she has come down to using this list to attack me for bizarre reasons of her own. However, since I have been lied about - and, yes, you did cause pain, are you happy you fulfilled your intentions? - I want to simply correct her statements. Her hateful words themselves I will leave to stand as evidence on their own right, but I want to remind you thatm, for the second time, Sarah has used a discussion I am not even involved in to launch a personal attack on me. >1) South Australia was founded as a multicultural utopia. Stupid. I claimed that South Australia was founded as a utopia which broke away from the other models of English settlement, encouraging settlers of all religion, taking on a large German and Welsh immigrant force and declaring, in its founding Procalmation, that the aborigines were to be given due respect and reparation. I also stated that in practice we didn't live up to that. And I said we are multicultural *now.* "White Australia" was repealed before I was born. >The fact is that Australia banned immigration by nonwhites until > 1973, as any basic reference book will show (for example, =The > World Almanac=, 1997 edition, p. 741). The only way this statement > could be construed as true is if Lindley is a white supremacist who > believes that it is reasonable to call a society "multicultural" if > it includes various European nationalities, even though others are > excluded. Actually, that's true. (not the white supremacist business - I'm active in non-racist causes.) Multicultural - of more than one culture. You're thinking of mutiracial. Different concept. But, of course, as any basic reference would tell you, we had an Aboriginal (duh), Chinese, Japanese and Islander population long before the White Australia legislation was introduced. >2) No one in Australia would find it offensive to be described as > a member of the Ku Klux Klan or other racist organization. > (Specifically, Lindley said that none of the comments of her friend > Fran Meyers would be considered offensive in Australia; and Fran, > as Lindley well knew, had just made a group of Americans very angry > by telling us we belonged to the Klan and claiming afterwards that > it was intended to be a funny joke, and that we were mean and cruel > and intolerant of Australian humor if we didn't like it.) You are deliberately misinterpreting Fran's remark, knowing she is no longer here to stand up for herself, in order to put a deliberately misleading construction on myt defence of her. Your writing about One Nation is, plainly, stupid. Her support *peaked* at 10 percent - she stands for a tiny minority of Australians. And her presence in the democratic system is a good thing, becuase it has provoked the apathetic majority to stand up for multiculturalism and against racism - at most of her meetings, attendees have *far* been outnumbered by protesters. >3) The incest taboo is "silly," because it's really just a cover- > up for a deeper taboo against homosexuality. I argued that the incest taboo and the taboo against homosexuality are interlinked and support each other, yes. And the "silly" taboo I was talking about was not parent-child incest but relationships between cousins, specifically Blake and his pretty cousin in "Hostage." >I also think that the attempt to associate homosexuality with > pedophilia is appallingly homophobic in its implications. I made no such implication. I am perfectly aware that most sexual abuse, towards children *or* adults, is heterosexual. And I am also perfectly aware that in many cultures, inculding some Aboriginal ones, adult-child sex is a normal part of maturing and causes no ill effects. That's not the same as condoning rich white men using starving Asian child prostitutes. >4) Compulsory voting tends to support progressive legislation. > Actually, Lindley put this the other way around, slamming the U.S. > for our freedom not to vote if we don't want to. Rubbish. Teh US is hardly teh only stytem with non-complusary voting. And there is no such thing as truly complusary voting - as I stated repeatedly, the only complusion is to bother to turn up. > it is acceptable to use lies instead. I'm referring specifically > to her claim that I share Kathryn Andersen's beliefs on slash, and > on homosexuality in general. I said you were homophobic. I know you are a slash writer, but I don't think one thing necessariuly connects with teh other. Kathryn I care for and respect, because she is forthright and honest in her beliefs about homosexuality. She doesn't sneer, insert "buts," or indulge in hypocritical self-justifications. In fact, she is not homophobic at all, simply copmmitted to a religion which forbids same-sex behaviour. So we are able to agree to disagree. - XXX Lindley Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au "The girl has beauty, virtue, wit, Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck." LONDON CALLING - a list to discuss Britcoms and knockwurst. http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/2511/knockwurst.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 11:20:46 PDT From: "Edith Spencer" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Fwd: b7 shorty Message-ID: <19980725182047.23535.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain I was planning on using this as an opening for a somewhat gen story involving the pov of Avon, Cally and Vila. It is basicly the same story, but with the different viewpoints...is it truly the same story? Anyway, how about this as an opening? > > The Leader > There was an ancient myth on Earth, Pre Atomic era, that had as it's >center a woman so ugly one was turned to stone. Ugly, but so compelling one had >to look.Too ugly to bear. Or too beautiful to bear. The point was, the woman had >commit a grave sin against a goddess- she dare make love in the temple, and so >was punished,so that none who saw her could live and touch her. > Avon looked at Blake. He had touched him already. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 09:27:43 +0100 From: "Heather Smith" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] B7 on UK Gold Message-ID: <000a01bdb7a6$18b967e0$bd3363c3@smith99> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anne wrote: >I believe The Silurians was the first Jon Pertwee story Actually, his second, the Auton Invasion was his first. >It also is quite a complex tale, good and bad on both sides. the Silurians are >not evil monsters and the humans do some pretty despicable things. And PD looks >good! Seconded! Despite the ridiculous obviously-fake-upper-class-accent. Heather. 'There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish' -The fourth Doctor ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 12:36:28 PDT From: "Edith Spencer" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] long flag waving-yikes! Message-ID: <19980725193629.8336.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain To all, and particalurly Sarah T.- Darn! I feel as if i am at one of my dysfunctional family get togethers, where all sorts of meanness, misunderstandings and casual cruelty is aired out. I got on this quite some time after the comments in Sarah T.'s posting was said, but please allow me to make a few comments: 1. I went to school with a lot people who just did their assignments, reinforced what their parents taught them, and got married without truly challenging their mindview about the world. As member of a "ethnic minority" group ( as you may have guessed, I am half Afro-hispanic, half Canadian) I was amazed that the people that I went to school, otherwise smart people, believed some astonishingly weird shit about world and never took the time or energy to see if that stuff was true. So, dear Sarah, it is possible for people to be at university and still pick up/retain bizarre or untrue theories about the world. 2. Like my departed Dad said, never scream at anyone whose religious or personal beliefs are different from your own. Disaggre strongly, but never be nasty. The world is nasty enough. Actually, because my parents took part in varouis marches and civil rights stuff in the sixties and seventies, that was how they went about spreading their message. And if they could that in trying to make the USA a better place, surely we can do that on an online comunnity. :) 3. Yes, dear sarah, I do agree- the USA is quite imperfect, but we are willing sometimes to admit to it and try in own individual and collective ways to make it better. The history of the USA is woven with equal measures of heroism, hatred, shame, love and redemption. I suspect that if we dont f*ck it up, too badly, there might be hope for us yet. Which leads me to... 4. The reason I joined this list. I wanted to discuss the show, the actors, and so on, but was also curious about what other people from other parts of the globe thought. I think all of you have something worthwhile to say, and it should be said with respect, humor and clarity. Enough gush for now. Edith(not Piaf) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 13:01:21 +-200 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: "blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: RE: [B7L] long flag waving-yikes! Message-Id: <01BDB895.800CC3C0@nl-arn-lap0063> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I like Edith's subject line better, but other than that I think Calle had the best answer. Sarah's incredible acid spewing (I deleted it after reading just a few lines, because I was afraid it would melt my screen) deserves no more. Like Edith, I joined this list in hopes of finding people I could talk to about a show I loved, even though I hadn't seen it for more than ten years. What I found was a warm and funfilled community that I would stay with even if there were no postings about B7 anymore. Let's not allow this nastiness to spoil it. As far as I'm concerned, that's why they put that delete button on my keyboard. Be nice, please? Jacqueline -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #201 **************************************