From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #220 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/220 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 220 Today's Topics: [B7L] Unearthing "ancient" history [B7L] Unearthing "ancient" history: a response to a response [B7L] Furthermore... RE: [B7L] Furthermore... Re: [B7L] Unearthing "ancient" history: a response to a response Re: [B7L] Unearthing "ancient" history: a response to a response [B7L] UK Gold September Re: [B7L] Unearthing "ancient" history: a response to a response [B7L] Topics to avoid [B7L] Three Cheers to Calle Dybedahl !!! books ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 00:40:08 EDT From: SuzanThoms@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Unearthing "ancient" history Message-ID: Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_903933612_boundary" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_903933612_boundary Content-ID: <0_903933612@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII << j_macqueen@hotmail.com wrote: << I've been downloading several months worth of the archives, but I'm still only up to 1993. One posting in the second half of the year refers to "fannish controversies". >> >> >> So, privately or publicly, tell me (and anyone else who might feel the need to know - for future reference, as a way of knowing what topics of conversation to avoid, whatever). >> I know I'm new on the list so I probably don't have a right to ask this, but, if an explanation is offered to Joanne, could it please be done privately? That was a very sad time in B7 fandom and a discussion of it can only open old wounds. Please don't be offended, Joanne, I understand your curiosity and I believe you have every right to ask the question. It's just that I fear an open discussion of it will lead to some very bad feelings. I was only fifteen at the time but I remember how painful the whole thing was. Thanks Suzanne --part0_903933612_boundary Content-ID: <0_903933612@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: SuzanThoms@aol.com Return-path: To: j_macqueen@hotmail.com Subject: Unearthing "ancient" history Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 00:35:30 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit << j_macqueen@hotmail.com wrote: << I've been downloading several months worth of the archives, but I'm still only up to 1993. One posting in the second half of the year refers to "fannish controversies". >> >> >> So, privately or publicly, tell me (and anyone else who might feel the need to know - for future reference, as a way of knowing what topics of conversation to avoid, whatever). >> I know I'm new on the list so I probably don't have a right to ask this, but, if an explanation is offered to Joanne, could it please be done privately? That was a very sad time in B7 fandom and a discussion of it can only open old wounds. Please don't be offended, Joanne, I understand your curiosity and I believe you have every right to ask the question. It's just that I fear an open discussion of it will lead to some very bad feelings. I was only fifteen at the time but I remember how painful the whole thing was. Thanks Suzanne --part0_903933612_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 22:42:59 PDT From: "Joanne MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Unearthing "ancient" history: a response to a response Message-ID: <19980824054300.18785.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Hello, again. Suzanne said: >I know I'm new on the list so I probably don't have a right to ask this, >but, if an explanation is offered to Joanne, could it please be done >privately? So far as I'm concerned, Suzanne, you have every right to ask that this be done. >That was a very sad time in B7 fandom and a discussion of it can >only open old wounds. Which is why I gave the option of informing me privately. Believe me, I am aware of the possibility of members of this list having been involved in, erm, shall we say "intra-tribal skirmishes". If I can get some idea of what to avoid at all costs, then it's less likely that any tendencies of mine towards foot in mouth disease will cause problems later on. Although, I do accept the probability of both feet disappearing down my own throat simply by having asked the question. >Please don't be offended, Joanne, No, I'm not offended at all, but you have highlighted something I am worried about, even if curiosity overcame fear. It's already been made clear to me what can happen between two clashing personalities, let alone two clashing philosophies. >I understand your curiosity and I believe you have every right to ask >the question. Thankyou. I'm grateful for that >It's just that I fear an open discussion of it will lead to some very bad >feelings. I was only fifteen at the time but I remember how painful the >whole thing was. A reasonable fear, but I don't know what exactly it is that I'm afraid of. So, in deference to the feelings of Suzanne, and any one else who might feel the same way, I'll cut the word "publicly" from my request. The whole topic is like an open secret: lots of people know, and assume that you do too, so you end up feeling stupid and ignorant when you ask. Well, I'm feeling stupid and ignorant right now. But I'm still asking. If anyone wants to do the electronic equivalent of taking me aside and imparting their wisdom (seriously! I am in earnest), then I shall be most grateful to them. If no one wants to, then I shall have put up with knowing nothing but the occasional dark hint. Ladies and gentlemen, the ball is in your court. If you want to countenance my fumbling attempts to play, then thankyou. If not, then I stay as the spectator who arrived very late and missed a hell of lot of the best, as well as the worst. Regards Joanne My name is miw, I am a pet And I am sacred To Bastet --Children's activity clue, Life and Death under the Pharaohs exhibition, the Australian Museum. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 23:21:46 PDT From: "Joanne MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Furthermore... Message-ID: <19980824062147.8954.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain ...just facts, by the way, or as close to factual as possible. It's the interpretation of those facts by particular groups/individuals that is the problem, and that is something to be afraid of, now and ever. Regards and respect to you all. Joanne Here's a good exercise. Place your head between your knees, cover your face with your hands and rock back and forth slowly, chanting, "Oh my God". --Kaz Cooke, "The Little Book of Crap". ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:35:20 +0100 From: "Gregory Graham" To: "B7" Subject: RE: [B7L] Furthermore... Message-ID: <000601bdcf42$82f494a0$82ba46c2@barny.ascada.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dang! Now you've got me intrigued. Somebody please put us out of our misery. -----Gregory Graham------- Milan@es.co.nz WARNING: The opinions expressed may not reflect upon reality let alone GE Harris -----Original Message----- From: Joanne MacQueen [mailto:j_macqueen@hotmail.com] Sent: 24 August 1998 07:22 To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Furthermore... ...just facts, by the way, or as close to factual as possible. It's the interpretation of those facts by particular groups/individuals that is the problem, and that is something to be afraid of, now and ever. Regards and respect to you all. Joanne Here's a good exercise. Place your head between your knees, cover your face with your hands and rock back and forth slowly, chanting, "Oh my God". --Kaz Cooke, "The Little Book of Crap". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:34:14 EDT From: ShilLance@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Unearthing "ancient" history: a response to a response Message-ID: <815c89de.35e15dc7@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-08-24 01:44:59 EDT, j_macqueen@hotmail.com writes: << Hello, again. Suzanne said: >I know I'm new on the list so I probably don't have a right to ask this, >but, if an explanation is offered to Joanne, could it please be done >privately? So far as I'm concerned, Suzanne, you have every right to ask that this be done. >That was a very sad time in B7 fandom and a discussion of it can >only open old wounds. Which is why I gave the option of informing me privately. Believe me, I am aware of the possibility of members of this list having been involved in, erm, shall we say "intra-tribal skirmishes". If I can get some idea of what to avoid at all costs, then it's less likely that any tendencies of mine towards foot in mouth disease will cause problems later on. Although, I do accept the probability of both feet disappearing down my own throat simply by having asked the question. >Please don't be offended, Joanne, No, I'm not offended at all, but you have highlighted something I am worried about, even if curiosity overcame fear. It's already been made clear to me what can happen between two clashing personalities, let alone two clashing philosophies. >I understand your curiosity and I believe you have every right to ask >the question. Thankyou. I'm grateful for that >It's just that I fear an open discussion of it will lead to some very bad >feelings. I was only fifteen at the time but I remember how painful the >whole thing was. A reasonable fear, but I don't know what exactly it is that I'm afraid of. So, in deference to the feelings of Suzanne, and any one else who might feel the same way, I'll cut the word "publicly" from my request. The whole topic is like an open secret: lots of people know, and assume that you do too, so you end up feeling stupid and ignorant when you ask. Well, I'm feeling stupid and ignorant right now. But I'm still asking. If anyone wants to do the electronic equivalent of taking me aside and imparting their wisdom (seriously! I am in earnest), then I shall be most grateful to them. If no one wants to, then I shall have put up with knowing nothing but the occasional dark hint. Ladies and gentlemen, the ball is in your court. If you want to countenance my fumbling attempts to play, then thankyou. If not, then I stay as the spectator who arrived very late and missed a hell of lot of the best, as well as the worst. Regards Joanne My name is miw, I am a pet And I am sacred To Bastet --Children's activity clue, Life and Death under the Pharaohs exhibition, the Australian Museum. >> Would someone enlighten me as well? I'm new to the list and have no idea what these topics to avoid are. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Aug 1998 14:44:59 +0200 From: Calle Dybedahl To: ShilLance@aol.com Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Unearthing "ancient" history: a response to a response Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII ShilLance@aol.com writes: > Would someone enlighten me as well? Sure. Don't send 70+ lines of quoted message we've already seen just to add two lines of your own (and that goes for everyone, not just you). -- Calle Dybedahl, UNIX Sysadmin qdtcall@esavionics.se http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 21:40:27 +0100 From: Steve Rogerson To: Lysator Subject: [B7L] UK Gold September Message-ID: <35E1CFB6.3F7E1781@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit According to Cult Times, here are the B7 episodes due on UK Gold in September: Sunday 6th, 9.05am: A12 Deliverance Saturday 12th 9.00am: A13 Orac Saturday 19th 9.00am: B1 Redemption Sunday 20th 9.05am: B2 Shadow Saturday 26th 9.00am: B3 Weapon -- cheers Steve Rogerson Redemption 99: The Blakes 7 and Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Ashford, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ "Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell" Star Wars ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:17:11 EDT From: ShilLance@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Unearthing "ancient" history: a response to a response Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-08-24 08:45:21 EDT, you write: << ShilLance@aol.com writes: > Would someone enlighten me as well? Sure. Don't send 70+ lines of quoted message we've already seen just to add two lines of your own (and that goes for everyone, not just you). -- Calle Dybedahl, UNIX Sysadmin qdtcall@esavionics.se http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/ >> Geez.......sorry........... I don't post here much and I'm not aware of board etiquette, and I apologize if my 70 plus lines of quoted message offends you. I lurk on this list a great deal and don't get the oppurtunity to post much.....your response leads me to think I was correct in not doing so. To anyone else interested in informing a newbie, answer in private email. Thanks. gwynn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 07:38:58 +1000 (EST) From: kat@welkin.apana.org.au (Kathryn Andersen) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se (Blake's 7 list) Subject: [B7L] Topics to avoid Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, we already know that slash is a topic to avoid... Any of the other topics to avoid, well, they're so obscure that your best bet is to know absolutely nothing about them; then you won't be *able* to bring them up at all. Anything else is rather morbid curiousity. Yes, the initial question was perfectly okay to ask; (and I've sent her an answer, and it exhausted me, emotionally). What concerns me is all the other people popping up and saying "I wanna know too". Look folks, you *don't* want to know. Any more than you would want large blown-up photos of traffic accident victims decorating your walls. In this case, ignorance is bliss. However if you still wish to engage in gossip, all I can do is request that you do it in private. Ask Joanne. She will hopefully have more than one version of the events with which to titilate your morbid curiosity. Kathryn Andersen (list geezer) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "A cheerful heart is good medicine, but a downcast spirit dries up the bones." Proverbs 17:22 -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:38:44 -0700 From: "Doug Lagomarsino" To: "Blake's 7 Mail List" Subject: [B7L] Three Cheers to Calle Dybedahl !!! Message-ID: <000301bdcfd9$dbf41020$cc0950ce@doug> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Three cheers to: > Calle Dybedahl, UNIX Sysadmin > qdtcall@esavionics.se http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/ > > Thank you for running the mail list. It runs pretty darn smoothly (the software that is, not the content ;) Doug Lagomarsino deltaman@hooked.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 23:05:49 +0100 From: Chris To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Subject: books Message-Id: <35E3353D.2C4FD56C@cableol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, I'm new to this list. I have got a few books about Blake's 7 but what I am really looking for are the early novels. Can anyone help me? Chris. -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #220 **************************************